Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Icon Set for Guides
Oups, that's true. Colibre on Windows and macOS, Breeze on KDE/QT, and Elementary on Gnome/Gtk. Fallback is Tango. On 12.08.19 09:11, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: > The default on Windows is Colibre. > > Ilmari > > On 12.08.2019 09:38, Heiko Tietze wrote: >> Tango is a nice and neutral theme but be aware that some icons for new >> functions might be missing since we don't have designers for this >> theme. For your consideration: the majority of users run Windows where >> the default is Breeze, on Linux it depends on the desktop environment >> and it's either Breeze or Elementary. >> >> On 10.08.19 15:38, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote: >>> Hi Dave >>> >>> Thanks for explaining. >>> I think it is a good idea using Tango for the Guides. >>> Using the default is less good, because in the past the default did change >>> sometimes. >>> So "our default" might not be the future default. >>> >>> Regards, Kees >>> >>> Dave Barton schreef op 10.08.2019 13:26: On 10.08.2019 10:34, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote: > kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 10.08.2019 11:31: >> Reviewing "Introducing Draw" I notice that Vipul updated icons and >> that icons diver from what I see. >> Of course icons are depending on the Icon Set you use. For the >> consistency it is best for all to use the same Icon Set for the >> Guides. I can’t find anything about it in the Guide Template. Are >> there agreements about which Icon Set to use for the Guides? >> >> Kind regards, >> Kees > > For example: the Dutch documentation team is using "Karase Jaga", > because it is a nice clear Icon Set. The very outdated Chapter 2 "Producing LibreOffice User Guides" of the Documentation Contributors Guide reads: The setting for one View option (Icon size and style) is important for consistency when capturing screens to illustrate our documents. Go to Tools > Options > LibreOffice > View and make sure the choices for Icon size and style in the User Interface section near the top are set to Small, Tango. If you are using Ubuntu or another Linux distribution and the icon style drop-down list does not show Tango as one of the choices, go into the distribution’s package manager and install the libreoffice-style-tango package. I don't believe there has been any discussion on this subject in recent times, but for my contributions I have used the default install icon set, which in the case of LO 6.2.x & 6.3.x on Windows 10 is Colibre. Although it is not my personal preference, I feel that we should use the default icon set, since this is what most new users will see and more experienced users are likely to understand LO has various icon sets. Regards Dave >>> >> >> -- >> Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor >> Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org >> The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE >> Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts >> Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint > -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Icon Set for Guides
The default on Windows is Colibre. Ilmari On 12.08.2019 09:38, Heiko Tietze wrote: Tango is a nice and neutral theme but be aware that some icons for new functions might be missing since we don't have designers for this theme. For your consideration: the majority of users run Windows where the default is Breeze, on Linux it depends on the desktop environment and it's either Breeze or Elementary. On 10.08.19 15:38, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote: Hi Dave Thanks for explaining. I think it is a good idea using Tango for the Guides. Using the default is less good, because in the past the default did change sometimes. So "our default" might not be the future default. Regards, Kees Dave Barton schreef op 10.08.2019 13:26: On 10.08.2019 10:34, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote: kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 10.08.2019 11:31: Reviewing "Introducing Draw" I notice that Vipul updated icons and that icons diver from what I see. Of course icons are depending on the Icon Set you use. For the consistency it is best for all to use the same Icon Set for the Guides. I can’t find anything about it in the Guide Template. Are there agreements about which Icon Set to use for the Guides? Kind regards, Kees For example: the Dutch documentation team is using "Karase Jaga", because it is a nice clear Icon Set. The very outdated Chapter 2 "Producing LibreOffice User Guides" of the Documentation Contributors Guide reads: The setting for one View option (Icon size and style) is important for consistency when capturing screens to illustrate our documents. Go to Tools > Options > LibreOffice > View and make sure the choices for Icon size and style in the User Interface section near the top are set to Small, Tango. If you are using Ubuntu or another Linux distribution and the icon style drop-down list does not show Tango as one of the choices, go into the distribution’s package manager and install the libreoffice-style-tango package. I don't believe there has been any discussion on this subject in recent times, but for my contributions I have used the default install icon set, which in the case of LO 6.2.x & 6.3.x on Windows 10 is Colibre. Although it is not my personal preference, I feel that we should use the default icon set, since this is what most new users will see and more experienced users are likely to understand LO has various icon sets. Regards Dave -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Icon Set for Guides
Tango is a nice and neutral theme but be aware that some icons for new functions might be missing since we don't have designers for this theme. For your consideration: the majority of users run Windows where the default is Breeze, on Linux it depends on the desktop environment and it's either Breeze or Elementary. On 10.08.19 15:38, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote: > Hi Dave > > Thanks for explaining. > I think it is a good idea using Tango for the Guides. > Using the default is less good, because in the past the default did change > sometimes. > So "our default" might not be the future default. > > Regards, Kees > > Dave Barton schreef op 10.08.2019 13:26: >> On 10.08.2019 10:34, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote: >>> kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 10.08.2019 11:31: Reviewing "Introducing Draw" I notice that Vipul updated icons and that icons diver from what I see. Of course icons are depending on the Icon Set you use. For the consistency it is best for all to use the same Icon Set for the Guides. I can’t find anything about it in the Guide Template. Are there agreements about which Icon Set to use for the Guides? Kind regards, Kees >>> >>> For example: the Dutch documentation team is using "Karase Jaga", >>> because it is a nice clear Icon Set. >> >> The very outdated Chapter 2 "Producing LibreOffice User Guides" of the >> Documentation Contributors Guide reads: >> >> The setting for one View option (Icon size and style) is important for >> consistency when capturing screens to illustrate our documents. >> Go to Tools > Options > LibreOffice > View and make sure the choices for >> Icon size and style in the User Interface section near the top are set >> to Small, Tango. >> If you are using Ubuntu or another Linux distribution and the icon style >> drop-down list does not show Tango as one of the choices, go into the >> distribution’s package manager and install the libreoffice-style-tango >> package. >> >> >> I don't believe there has been any discussion on this subject in recent >> times, but for my contributions I have used the default install icon >> set, which in the case of LO 6.2.x & 6.3.x on Windows 10 is Colibre. >> >> Although it is not my personal preference, I feel that we should use the >> default icon set, since this is what most new users will see and more >> experienced users are likely to understand LO has various icon sets. >> >> Regards >> Dave > -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Icon Set for Guides
Hi Olivier Thanks for the information. In my opinion however it is very useful to use icons and toolbars in the guides. Because pictures are more clear than text. And without them the guides would be less interesting to read. Besides, icons are in the screenshots too. But I think it would be good to be consistent in using icon sets. Kind regards, Kees Olivier Hallot schreef op 10.08.2019 13:38: Hi Kees We discussed that in one of our doc meetings (5/29/2019), and opted to avoid using icons and tolbars in the Guides for this reason. For command descriptions, better refer to the menus. The issue on icons and toolbars are real: - We have several icon sets - The default icon set depends on the operating system - Toolbars can change the user interface dramatically, e.g Notebook bars variants - Toolbars can be customized --8<--- + References to toolbars icons shold be de-emphasized + icon theme issues + hard to insert icon in text + breaks paragraph layout smoothness + depends on toobar customization + Mention toolbar with no icon specific + mention context menu + Context menu is a set of commands available to the selected object --8<--- I think it is valid to *rewrite* the parts that refers to toolbars and icons. regards Olivier Em 10/08/2019 06:31, kees...@libreoffice.org escreveu: Reviewing "Introducing Draw" I notice that Vipul updated icons and that icons diver from what I see. Of course icons are depending on the Icon Set you use. For the consistency it is best for all to use the same Icon Set for the Guides. I can’t find anything about it in the Guide Template. Are there agreements about which Icon Set to use for the Guides? Kind regards, Kees -- Olivier Hallot LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator Comunidade LibreOffice Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 http://tdf.io/joinus -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Icon Set for Guides
Hi Dave Thanks for explaining. I think it is a good idea using Tango for the Guides. Using the default is less good, because in the past the default did change sometimes. So "our default" might not be the future default. Regards, Kees Dave Barton schreef op 10.08.2019 13:26: On 10.08.2019 10:34, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote: kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 10.08.2019 11:31: Reviewing "Introducing Draw" I notice that Vipul updated icons and that icons diver from what I see. Of course icons are depending on the Icon Set you use. For the consistency it is best for all to use the same Icon Set for the Guides. I can’t find anything about it in the Guide Template. Are there agreements about which Icon Set to use for the Guides? Kind regards, Kees For example: the Dutch documentation team is using "Karase Jaga", because it is a nice clear Icon Set. The very outdated Chapter 2 "Producing LibreOffice User Guides" of the Documentation Contributors Guide reads: The setting for one View option (Icon size and style) is important for consistency when capturing screens to illustrate our documents. Go to Tools > Options > LibreOffice > View and make sure the choices for Icon size and style in the User Interface section near the top are set to Small, Tango. If you are using Ubuntu or another Linux distribution and the icon style drop-down list does not show Tango as one of the choices, go into the distribution’s package manager and install the libreoffice-style-tango package. I don't believe there has been any discussion on this subject in recent times, but for my contributions I have used the default install icon set, which in the case of LO 6.2.x & 6.3.x on Windows 10 is Colibre. Although it is not my personal preference, I feel that we should use the default icon set, since this is what most new users will see and more experienced users are likely to understand LO has various icon sets. Regards Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Icon Set for Guides
Hi Kees We discussed that in one of our doc meetings (5/29/2019), and opted to avoid using icons and tolbars in the Guides for this reason. For command descriptions, better refer to the menus. The issue on icons and toolbars are real: - We have several icon sets - The default icon set depends on the operating system - Toolbars can change the user interface dramatically, e.g Notebook bars variants - Toolbars can be customized --8<--- + References to toolbars icons shold be de-emphasized + icon theme issues + hard to insert icon in text + breaks paragraph layout smoothness + depends on toobar customization + Mention toolbar with no icon specific + mention context menu + Context menu is a set of commands available to the selected object --8<--- I think it is valid to *rewrite* the parts that refers to toolbars and icons. regards Olivier Em 10/08/2019 06:31, kees...@libreoffice.org escreveu: > Reviewing "Introducing Draw" I notice that Vipul updated icons and that > icons diver from what I see. > Of course icons are depending on the Icon Set you use. For the > consistency it is best for all to use the same Icon Set for the Guides. > I can’t find anything about it in the Guide Template. Are there > agreements about which Icon Set to use for the Guides? > > Kind regards, > Kees > -- Olivier Hallot LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator Comunidade LibreOffice Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 http://tdf.io/joinus -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Icon Set for Guides
On 10.08.2019 10:34, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote: > kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 10.08.2019 11:31: >> Reviewing "Introducing Draw" I notice that Vipul updated icons and >> that icons diver from what I see. >> Of course icons are depending on the Icon Set you use. For the >> consistency it is best for all to use the same Icon Set for the >> Guides. I can’t find anything about it in the Guide Template. Are >> there agreements about which Icon Set to use for the Guides? >> >> Kind regards, >> Kees > > For example: the Dutch documentation team is using "Karase Jaga", > because it is a nice clear Icon Set. The very outdated Chapter 2 "Producing LibreOffice User Guides" of the Documentation Contributors Guide reads: The setting for one View option (Icon size and style) is important for consistency when capturing screens to illustrate our documents. Go to Tools > Options > LibreOffice > View and make sure the choices for Icon size and style in the User Interface section near the top are set to Small, Tango. If you are using Ubuntu or another Linux distribution and the icon style drop-down list does not show Tango as one of the choices, go into the distribution’s package manager and install the libreoffice-style-tango package. I don't believe there has been any discussion on this subject in recent times, but for my contributions I have used the default install icon set, which in the case of LO 6.2.x & 6.3.x on Windows 10 is Colibre. Although it is not my personal preference, I feel that we should use the default icon set, since this is what most new users will see and more experienced users are likely to understand LO has various icon sets. Regards Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Icon Set for Guides
kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 10.08.2019 11:31: Reviewing "Introducing Draw" I notice that Vipul updated icons and that icons diver from what I see. Of course icons are depending on the Icon Set you use. For the consistency it is best for all to use the same Icon Set for the Guides. I can’t find anything about it in the Guide Template. Are there agreements about which Icon Set to use for the Guides? Kind regards, Kees For example: the Dutch documentation team is using "Karase Jaga", because it is a nice clear Icon Set. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Icon Set for Guides
Reviewing "Introducing Draw" I notice that Vipul updated icons and that icons diver from what I see. Of course icons are depending on the Icon Set you use. For the consistency it is best for all to use the same Icon Set for the Guides. I can’t find anything about it in the Guide Template. Are there agreements about which Icon Set to use for the Guides? Kind regards, Kees -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
