Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO Community disclaimer? Was: Writer Guide update
Hello, +1 in Jean's proposal! Best regards, Felipe Viggiano Em 10/04/2021 06:39, Martin Srebotnjak escreveu: Hello, V V pet., 9. apr. 2021 ob 11:19 je oseba Jean Weber napisala: I agree with Felipe that a long Disclaimer is not necessary, but .perhaps we might add a short sentence like, “Other versions of LibreOffice may differ in appearance and functionality.” Jean, I find your proposal great. +1 from me. Lp, m. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO Community disclaimer? Was: Writer Guide update
Hi, Olivier, it seems you did not understand my proposal or read it carefully. We are not talking about changing the copyright notice, but about changing the sentence "Based on LibreOffice 7.2." to "Based on LibreOffice Community 7.2." under the "Publication date and software version" subchapter. The guides are based not on "LibreOffice project" but are written about and based on a specific product - now "LibreOffice Community X.Y" and as such refer only to that product and its release, ie. "LibreOffice Community 7.1". So that change is necessary and in line with the TDF board's decision (writing "LibreOffice 7.2" is not as such a product just does not exist). Lp, m. V V sob., 10. apr. 2021 ob 14:42 je oseba Olivier Hallot < olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> napisala: > Hi > > There is no need to change "LibreOffice" to "LibreOffice Community" in > the guides covers and copyright. > > The project name is LibreOffice. You can build a product and rebrand it > as you wish but the project name stays LibreOffice. TDF product is > delivered with the brand "LibreOffice Community". > > The guides contents are based on the LibreOffice project. Changing to > "LibreOffice Community" will tie our guides to TDF product, not the > project. > > The sentence "Other versions of LibreOffice may differ in appearance and > functionality" is just perfect. +1. > > Kind regards > Olivier > > > > Em 09/04/2021 06:19, Jean Weber escreveu: > > Thanks to Martin for bringing this up. > > I’ll change “LibreOffice 7.1” to “LibreOffice Community 7.1” on the > > Copyright pages of Writer Guide chapters and the compiled book. > > > > I agree with Felipe that a long Disclaimer is not necessary, but .perhaps > > we might add a short sentence like, “Other versions of LibreOffice may > > differ in appearance and functionality.” > > > > I’d like to hear from Olivier on this topic. > > > > Jean > > > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 13:26 Felipe Viggiano de Souza < > > felipeviggi...@libreoffice.org> wrote: > > > >> Hello team, > >> > >> I agree when Mr. Srebotnjak states that we need to rewrite the sentence > >> "Based on LibreOffice 7.1." to "Based on LibreOffice Community 7.1.", I > >> will work on that for the Calc Guide 7.1. > >> > >> However, about the disclaimer, in my opinion, it's not necessary to > >> declare what the guides do not cover, I think it is clear enough when we > >> say that the document is based on LibreOffice Community. Mentioning so > many > >> times the term LibreOffice Enterprise could lead the user to believe > that > >> TDF is working on two versions of LO (Community / Enterprise), which, as > >> far as I understand is not correct. > >> > >> Well, those were my opinion on that, but, of course we can discuss > deeper > >> on that. > >> > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Felipe Viggiano > >> > >> > >> Em segunda-feira, 5 de abril de 2021, às 18:39:07 -03, Martin Srebotnjak > >> escreveu: > >>> Hello, Jean, > >>> > >>> great to hear about the progress on the 7.1 guides. > >>> > >>> As you work on the covers etc. - this leads to the question of properly > >>> naming and tagging these guides, along with the Community/Professional > >>> naming scheme the TDF has decided on. > >>> > >>> Just adding "Community" tag to the small LibreOffice logo seems not > >>> equivalent - it is also misleading for the reader/user - one should be > >>> warned that a LO Professional product might not work in the same way as > >>> described in the guide. > >>> > >>> The guides for v7.1 and newer are written for LibreOffice Community, > not > >>> for LibreOffice as such - actually LibreOffice as a product does not > >> exist > >>> anymore. > >>> > >>> I believe every chapter and the book as well need an exclaimer on the > >>> "second" page under "Publication date and software version" - where the > >>> sentence "Based on LibreOffice 7.1." should be changed to "Based on > >>> LibreOffice Community 7.1.", for example (excuse my English): > >>> > >>> Disclaimer > >>> > >>> This guide was written by volunteers and refers solely to the features, > >>> settings, and look-and-feel of the LibreOffice Community office suite. > As > >>> such it does not cover the enterprise-class LibreOffice Enterprise > family > >>> of applications which might appear and behave differently. For > respective > >>> guides for the LibreOffice Enterprise products please refer to the > >>> ecosystem partners that produced them. > >>> > >>> Also, the title of the guides and the last page on the cover should > >>> underline the same, that the guides describe the use of LibreOffice > >>> Community products, not any other LibreOffice Professional or rebranded > >>> products. > >>> > >> > > > > -- > Olivier Hallot > LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 > LibreOffice – free and open source office suite: > https://www.libreoffice.org > Respects your privacy, and gives you back control over your data > http://tdf.io/joinus > > -- > To
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO Community disclaimer? Was: Writer Guide update
Hi There is no need to change "LibreOffice" to "LibreOffice Community" in the guides covers and copyright. The project name is LibreOffice. You can build a product and rebrand it as you wish but the project name stays LibreOffice. TDF product is delivered with the brand "LibreOffice Community". The guides contents are based on the LibreOffice project. Changing to "LibreOffice Community" will tie our guides to TDF product, not the project. The sentence "Other versions of LibreOffice may differ in appearance and functionality" is just perfect. +1. Kind regards Olivier Em 09/04/2021 06:19, Jean Weber escreveu: Thanks to Martin for bringing this up. I’ll change “LibreOffice 7.1” to “LibreOffice Community 7.1” on the Copyright pages of Writer Guide chapters and the compiled book. I agree with Felipe that a long Disclaimer is not necessary, but .perhaps we might add a short sentence like, “Other versions of LibreOffice may differ in appearance and functionality.” I’d like to hear from Olivier on this topic. Jean On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 13:26 Felipe Viggiano de Souza < felipeviggi...@libreoffice.org> wrote: Hello team, I agree when Mr. Srebotnjak states that we need to rewrite the sentence "Based on LibreOffice 7.1." to "Based on LibreOffice Community 7.1.", I will work on that for the Calc Guide 7.1. However, about the disclaimer, in my opinion, it's not necessary to declare what the guides do not cover, I think it is clear enough when we say that the document is based on LibreOffice Community. Mentioning so many times the term LibreOffice Enterprise could lead the user to believe that TDF is working on two versions of LO (Community / Enterprise), which, as far as I understand is not correct. Well, those were my opinion on that, but, of course we can discuss deeper on that. Best regards, Felipe Viggiano Em segunda-feira, 5 de abril de 2021, às 18:39:07 -03, Martin Srebotnjak escreveu: Hello, Jean, great to hear about the progress on the 7.1 guides. As you work on the covers etc. - this leads to the question of properly naming and tagging these guides, along with the Community/Professional naming scheme the TDF has decided on. Just adding "Community" tag to the small LibreOffice logo seems not equivalent - it is also misleading for the reader/user - one should be warned that a LO Professional product might not work in the same way as described in the guide. The guides for v7.1 and newer are written for LibreOffice Community, not for LibreOffice as such - actually LibreOffice as a product does not exist anymore. I believe every chapter and the book as well need an exclaimer on the "second" page under "Publication date and software version" - where the sentence "Based on LibreOffice 7.1." should be changed to "Based on LibreOffice Community 7.1.", for example (excuse my English): Disclaimer This guide was written by volunteers and refers solely to the features, settings, and look-and-feel of the LibreOffice Community office suite. As such it does not cover the enterprise-class LibreOffice Enterprise family of applications which might appear and behave differently. For respective guides for the LibreOffice Enterprise products please refer to the ecosystem partners that produced them. Also, the title of the guides and the last page on the cover should underline the same, that the guides describe the use of LibreOffice Community products, not any other LibreOffice Professional or rebranded products. -- Olivier Hallot LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 LibreOffice – free and open source office suite: https://www.libreoffice.org Respects your privacy, and gives you back control over your data http://tdf.io/joinus -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO Community disclaimer? Was: Writer Guide update
On 10/04/2021 10:39, Martin Srebotnjak wrote: > Hello, > > V V pet., 9. apr. 2021 ob 11:19 je oseba Jean Weber > napisala: > >> I agree with Felipe that a long Disclaimer is not necessary, but .perhaps >> we might add a short sentence like, “Other versions of LibreOffice may >> differ in appearance and functionality.” >> > > Jean, I find your proposal great. +1 from me. > > Lp, m. Also +1 from me. Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO Community disclaimer? Was: Writer Guide update
Hello, V V pet., 9. apr. 2021 ob 11:19 je oseba Jean Weber napisala: > I agree with Felipe that a long Disclaimer is not necessary, but .perhaps > we might add a short sentence like, “Other versions of LibreOffice may > differ in appearance and functionality.” > Jean, I find your proposal great. +1 from me. Lp, m. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] LO Community disclaimer? Was: Writer Guide update
Thanks to Martin for bringing this up. I’ll change “LibreOffice 7.1” to “LibreOffice Community 7.1” on the Copyright pages of Writer Guide chapters and the compiled book. I agree with Felipe that a long Disclaimer is not necessary, but .perhaps we might add a short sentence like, “Other versions of LibreOffice may differ in appearance and functionality.” I’d like to hear from Olivier on this topic. Jean On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 13:26 Felipe Viggiano de Souza < felipeviggi...@libreoffice.org> wrote: > Hello team, > > I agree when Mr. Srebotnjak states that we need to rewrite the sentence > "Based on LibreOffice 7.1." to "Based on LibreOffice Community 7.1.", I > will work on that for the Calc Guide 7.1. > > However, about the disclaimer, in my opinion, it's not necessary to > declare what the guides do not cover, I think it is clear enough when we > say that the document is based on LibreOffice Community. Mentioning so many > times the term LibreOffice Enterprise could lead the user to believe that > TDF is working on two versions of LO (Community / Enterprise), which, as > far as I understand is not correct. > > Well, those were my opinion on that, but, of course we can discuss deeper > on that. > > > Best regards, > Felipe Viggiano > > > Em segunda-feira, 5 de abril de 2021, às 18:39:07 -03, Martin Srebotnjak > escreveu: > > Hello, Jean, > > > > great to hear about the progress on the 7.1 guides. > > > > As you work on the covers etc. - this leads to the question of properly > > naming and tagging these guides, along with the Community/Professional > > naming scheme the TDF has decided on. > > > > Just adding "Community" tag to the small LibreOffice logo seems not > > equivalent - it is also misleading for the reader/user - one should be > > warned that a LO Professional product might not work in the same way as > > described in the guide. > > > > The guides for v7.1 and newer are written for LibreOffice Community, not > > for LibreOffice as such - actually LibreOffice as a product does not > exist > > anymore. > > > > I believe every chapter and the book as well need an exclaimer on the > > "second" page under "Publication date and software version" - where the > > sentence "Based on LibreOffice 7.1." should be changed to "Based on > > LibreOffice Community 7.1.", for example (excuse my English): > > > > Disclaimer > > > > This guide was written by volunteers and refers solely to the features, > > settings, and look-and-feel of the LibreOffice Community office suite. As > > such it does not cover the enterprise-class LibreOffice Enterprise family > > of applications which might appear and behave differently. For respective > > guides for the LibreOffice Enterprise products please refer to the > > ecosystem partners that produced them. > > > > Also, the title of the guides and the last page on the cover should > > underline the same, that the guides describe the use of LibreOffice > > Community products, not any other LibreOffice Professional or rebranded > > products. > > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
