Re: Liaison across 'lists', was: Fw: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Questions galore!

2013-02-15 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Tom

We have a liaison list since the beginning, it's the projects@ list. We had it 
since the beginning.

Best,
Charles.


Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk a écrit :

Hi :)
I like the idea of Volunteer Coordinator but prefer a change of
emphasis to Community Development to pro-actively recruit new people
to various teams and prioritising teams that are most in need of new
people.  That would include raising the profile of the various teams
both within the project as a whole (particularly on the user support
type places such a Ask and the Users List (and the forums)) but also
perhaps outside of TDF and LO.  


Specific teams such as Accessibility and Base  really need a LOT more
people or a lot more coordination between those that are working on
it.  Docs Team always needs more people of course but is already a LOT
better off than Accessibility.  


Ideally each team would have at least 1 or 2 people on each other list
and on Ask and in the new Forum in order to help feedback when relevant
issues arise.  Since some other lists are extremely high traffic it
might well need different people to liaise with different lists.  

So far the team that seems best at liaising is the docs team.  

Regards from
Tom :)  





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From: Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com
To: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com 
Cc: 
Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, 12 February
2013, 3:43
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Questions galore!
 
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:

 When I first went to the odfauthors.org site, I thought that it was
a
 site for end-users because of the highly-prominent links to books
for
 sale, but now I believe that the website is largely focused on
 internal production. Perhaps there's something we can do to make
 things more clear to regular users as well as to our volunteer
 community.


 ODFAuthors have been partners with OOo and in particular with
LibreOffice
 from the very start.

cool.

 Jean Hollis Weber of ODFAuthors is one of our most
 prolific contributors on the project, we also make use of ODFAuthor
 resources and goodwill. I believe it is we who should be thankful
for
 ODFAuthors helping us out with the docs teams and resources. I doubt
things
 would go as smoothly without Jean and her team at ODFAuthors who
work at
 quite high professional standards.

Yes, I'd previously run across the Taming LibreOffice website, but
didn't put the pieces together until just recently that she was the
head of the Documentation Team :-)

 As far as I can remember, all that same information is already up on
the Ask
 site. You just have to find it. No need to go to Archive.org.

ok, cool.

 IMO, most questions users ask on the Ask.LibreOffice.org site are
 probably
 best answered there, and, IMO, I don't see a reason to work on any
 user-related FAQ when the Ask.LibreOffice.org site is probably the
best
 type
 of solution for a good living/breathing FAQ site.


 Using the Ask site as the general FAQ as we go forward sounds like
a
 solid plan to me. The FAQ on the wiki currently has some overlap
with
 the Ask site:  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq

 What do you guys think about migrating questions from that FAQ to
the
 Ask site? I'd be happy to shepherd that work, if that's amenable to
 you.


 I don't think this would be an acceptable option as the FAQ is,
again, used
 in large part for contributor work.

Ah, okay. Most of the questions on the FAQ on the wiki seem to relate
more to *use* of LibreOffice than being a *contributor* to the
project. The contributor-specific content I see on that page is a link
to the List of Frequently Asked Questions for Development.

These types of questions/categories seem like they're more suited to a
user-targeted FAQ:

- Spell-checking doesn't work !
- What are the system requirements for LibreOffice? 
- How do I change the email client used by LibreOffice? 

 IMO, there is nothing wrong with
 overlapping/doubling or information as people tend to operate in
different
 ways; some like to get information from FAQ's, others from Ask
sites, others
 from mailing lists, others from forums ... IMO, it is up to the site
 maintainers to triage the information appropriately so that it is
factual
 (as best as one can get) for their own particular user base. To me,
it
 doesn't sound like a good idea to remove a contributor tool for
users when
 we are in need of contributors.

I think doubling could be okay if we had enough manpower to maintain
all of our web properties. As you mention, we are in need of
contributors, and every additional copy of documentation or
information requires additional personnel to keep it fresh and up to
date.

To wit, some of the entries in the wiki FAQ are merely pointers to
other pages (e.g. the System Requirements) and seem unlikely to
change. However there are other pages, such as the information about
supported file formats, or information about the user 

Re: Liaison across 'lists', was: Fw: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Questions galore!

2013-02-15 Thread Sophie Gautier
On 15/02/2013 13:47, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
 Tom
 
 We have a liaison list since the beginning, it's the projects@ list.
 We had it since the beginning.

Yes this list serves for cross communication between NL projects,
developers and all the projects who need to communicate about their work
(ESC minutes are posted on it for example).
Kind regards
Sophie
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Tel:+33683901545
Membership  Certification Committee Member - Co-founder
The Document Foundation

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Re: Liaison across 'lists', was: Fw: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Questions galore!

2013-02-15 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Sophie Gautier
gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 15/02/2013 13:47, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
 Tom

 We have a liaison list since the beginning, it's the projects@ list.
 We had it since the beginning.

 Yes this list serves for cross communication between NL projects,
 developers and all the projects who need to communicate about their work
 (ESC minutes are posted on it for example).

Oh, interesting! I didn't know that such a list existed...

I took a glance at the mailing list page, but didn't find a mention of
'projects' or the 'projects list':
https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/

Is the projects mailing list something we'd like to add to that page?

Thanks,
--R

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