Re: [Dorset] iPad Petition by 'Defective by Design'
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 18:24 +, Terry Coles wrote: > The pressure group is raising a petition: > http://www.defectivebydesign.org/ipad, because the new iPad is full of DRM > which basically stops users from doing anything with it except things that > are > 'approved' by Apple. > > Personally, I might have bought one eventually, but not if I can't install > software on it that isn't rubber-stamped by Apple. What if I wanted to write > my own App? There are few computing devices these days, (except single- > function gadgets), that don't allow Apps to be installed by users. I accept > that this probably won't bother the vast majority of users, but it bothers me. > > Please consider signing. > > -- > Terry Coles > 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux > > Job done, sorry it's not Jobs is done. P. -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Wed 2010-02-03 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] iPad Petition by 'Defective by Design'
On Friday 29 Jan 2010, Robert Bronsdon wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:16:59 -, Sean Gibbins > wrote: > > Good luck with that Terry, both genuinely and also in that slightly > > sarcastic tone that suggests you are peeing in the wind. > > I don't think a campaign can ever be dropped because its not likely to do > much. I agree, although I think the phrase should be 'I don't think a campaign *should* ever be dropped because its not likely to do much.' There are plenty of causes that are abandoned because they are perceived to be 'lost'. In this case, at least one of the objectives is to spread the word, not to bring down Apple. > > It's a good thing that you and your fellow petition signers are letting > > them know you disapprove, but I suspect the rush of eager fan-boys (and > > girls!) will make more of a statement to Apple on launch day than your > > petition ever will. > > I don't know how much I agree with the petition. I feel the petition is a > bit of a rush job by the FSF and things like this could well damage them > more than help. I did read the petition very carefully and could see that some would perceive it that way. Even so, I felt the point was correct. > Instead of giving people the freedom to choose if the DRM will harm them, > the FSF is telling people it will. I'd much prefer too see people educated > as too why its damaging and to leave people too choose. > > > It's for similar reasons I will not buy an iPod. > > And that would be the choice they should make. To buy or not to buy. Agreed. > I also feel that if the FSF just sat back and attempted to educate people > from afar, they wouldn't get through too any more than the people that are > already interested in listening (aka. us). > > Maybe the campaing will bring some attention to the FSF and the cause in > general. Like I said earlier, not sure. I'm just worried the impact of > campaigns like this could leave more members of the FSF looking like > screaming FOSS fanboys and damage the whole argument. That is always the danger. However to the rest of the software fanboys in the world, FOSS users will always be thought of in that way. -- Terry Coles 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Wed 2010-02-03 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] iPad Petition by 'Defective by Design'
On Friday 29 January 2010 11:40:47 Simon O'Riordan wrote: > Tim, as I said there are free programs available that make it into a > drag-and-drop mp3 player. If you skype me I can send the executable. If you > mail me directly I can send you the Python script. > Simono > - Original Message - > From: "Tim" > To: "Dorset Linux User Group" > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:58 AM > Subject: Re: [Dorset] iPad Petition by 'Defective by Design' > > > On Friday 29 January 2010 10:19:57 Dan Dart wrote: > >> Similar reasons. Why I regret buying an ipod. But at least I can run > >> bash on it now. > >> > >> On 29 January 2010 09:10, Robert Bronsdon wrote: > >> > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:16:59 -, Sean Gibbins > >> > > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> >> Good luck with that Terry, both genuinely and also in that slightly > >> >> sarcastic tone that suggests you are peeing in the wind. > >> > > >> > I don't think a campaign can ever be dropped because its not likely to > >> > do > >> > much. > >> > > >> >> It's a good thing that you and your fellow petition signers are > >> >> letting > >> >> them know you disapprove, but I suspect the rush of eager fan-boys > >> >> (and > >> >> girls!) will make more of a statement to Apple on launch day than > >> >> your petition ever will. > >> > > >> > I don't know how much I agree with the petition. I feel the petition > >> > is a > >> > bit of a rush job by the FSF and things like this could well damage > >> > them > >> > more than help. > >> > > >> > Instead of giving people the freedom to choose if the DRM will harm > >> > them, > >> > the FSF is telling people it will. I'd much prefer too see people > >> > educated as too why its damaging and to leave people too choose. > >> > > >> >> It's for similar reasons I will not buy an iPod. > >> > > >> > And that would be the choice they should make. To buy or not to buy. > >> > > >> > I also feel that if the FSF just sat back and attempted to educate > >> > people > >> > from afar, they wouldn't get through too any more than the people that > >> > are already interested in listening (aka. us). > >> > > >> > Maybe the campaing will bring some attention to the FSF and the cause > >> > in > >> > general. Like I said earlier, not sure. I'm just worried the impact of > >> > campaigns like this could leave more members of the FSF looking like > >> > screaming FOSS fanboys and damage the whole argument. > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Using Opera M2: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Next meeting: Bournemouth, Wed 2010-02-03 20:00 > >> > http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 > >> > Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset > >> > List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset > >> > >> -- > >> Dan Dart > >> _ > >> Need a website? Want some music tailored to you? Visit > >> http://www.dandart.co.uk > > > > I was given an iPod shuffle once, never again, a good idea badly > > implmented > > > > Tim > > > > -- > > Next meeting: Bournemouth, Wed 2010-02-03 20:00 > > http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 > > Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset > > List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset Hi Simon, thanks for the offer but I got rid of that ipod a long time ago. Tim -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Wed 2010-02-03 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] iPad Petition by 'Defective by Design'
Tim, as I said there are free programs available that make it into a drag-and-drop mp3 player. If you skype me I can send the executable. If you mail me directly I can send you the Python script. Simono - Original Message - From: "Tim" To: "Dorset Linux User Group" Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Dorset] iPad Petition by 'Defective by Design' > On Friday 29 January 2010 10:19:57 Dan Dart wrote: >> Similar reasons. Why I regret buying an ipod. But at least I can run >> bash on it now. >> >> On 29 January 2010 09:10, Robert Bronsdon wrote: >> > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:16:59 -, Sean Gibbins >> > >> > >> > wrote: >> >> Good luck with that Terry, both genuinely and also in that slightly >> >> sarcastic tone that suggests you are peeing in the wind. >> > >> > I don't think a campaign can ever be dropped because its not likely to >> > do >> > much. >> > >> >> It's a good thing that you and your fellow petition signers are >> >> letting >> >> them know you disapprove, but I suspect the rush of eager fan-boys >> >> (and >> >> girls!) will make more of a statement to Apple on launch day than your >> >> petition ever will. >> > >> > I don't know how much I agree with the petition. I feel the petition is >> > a >> > bit of a rush job by the FSF and things like this could well damage >> > them >> > more than help. >> > >> > Instead of giving people the freedom to choose if the DRM will harm >> > them, >> > the FSF is telling people it will. I'd much prefer too see people >> > educated as too why its damaging and to leave people too choose. >> > >> >> It's for similar reasons I will not buy an iPod. >> > >> > And that would be the choice they should make. To buy or not to buy. >> > >> > I also feel that if the FSF just sat back and attempted to educate >> > people >> > from afar, they wouldn't get through too any more than the people that >> > are already interested in listening (aka. us). >> > >> > Maybe the campaing will bring some attention to the FSF and the cause >> > in >> > general. Like I said earlier, not sure. I'm just worried the impact of >> > campaigns like this could leave more members of the FSF looking like >> > screaming FOSS fanboys and damage the whole argument. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Using Opera M2: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >> > >> > -- >> > Next meeting: Bournemouth, Wed 2010-02-03 20:00 >> > http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 >> > Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset >> > List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset >> >> -- >> Dan Dart >> _ >> Need a website? Want some music tailored to you? Visit >> http://www.dandart.co.uk > > I was given an iPod shuffle once, never again, a good idea badly > implmented > > Tim > > -- > Next meeting: Bournemouth, Wed 2010-02-03 20:00 > http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 > Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset > List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Wed 2010-02-03 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] iPad Petition by 'Defective by Design'
On Friday 29 January 2010 10:19:57 Dan Dart wrote: > Similar reasons. Why I regret buying an ipod. But at least I can run > bash on it now. > > On 29 January 2010 09:10, Robert Bronsdon wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:16:59 -, Sean Gibbins > > > > > > wrote: > >> Good luck with that Terry, both genuinely and also in that slightly > >> sarcastic tone that suggests you are peeing in the wind. > > > > I don't think a campaign can ever be dropped because its not likely to do > > much. > > > >> It's a good thing that you and your fellow petition signers are letting > >> them know you disapprove, but I suspect the rush of eager fan-boys (and > >> girls!) will make more of a statement to Apple on launch day than your > >> petition ever will. > > > > I don't know how much I agree with the petition. I feel the petition is a > > bit of a rush job by the FSF and things like this could well damage them > > more than help. > > > > Instead of giving people the freedom to choose if the DRM will harm them, > > the FSF is telling people it will. I'd much prefer too see people > > educated as too why its damaging and to leave people too choose. > > > >> It's for similar reasons I will not buy an iPod. > > > > And that would be the choice they should make. To buy or not to buy. > > > > I also feel that if the FSF just sat back and attempted to educate people > > from afar, they wouldn't get through too any more than the people that > > are already interested in listening (aka. us). > > > > Maybe the campaing will bring some attention to the FSF and the cause in > > general. Like I said earlier, not sure. I'm just worried the impact of > > campaigns like this could leave more members of the FSF looking like > > screaming FOSS fanboys and damage the whole argument. > > > > > > -- > > Using Opera M2: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > -- > > Next meeting: Bournemouth, Wed 2010-02-03 20:00 > > http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 > > Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset > > List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset > > -- > Dan Dart > _ > Need a website? Want some music tailored to you? Visit > http://www.dandart.co.uk I was given an iPod shuffle once, never again, a good idea badly implmented Tim -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Wed 2010-02-03 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] iPad Petition by 'Defective by Design'
Similar reasons. Why I regret buying an ipod. But at least I can run bash on it now. On 29 January 2010 09:10, Robert Bronsdon wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:16:59 -, Sean Gibbins > wrote: > >> Good luck with that Terry, both genuinely and also in that slightly >> sarcastic tone that suggests you are peeing in the wind. > > I don't think a campaign can ever be dropped because its not likely to do > much. > >> It's a good thing that you and your fellow petition signers are letting >> them know you disapprove, but I suspect the rush of eager fan-boys (and >> girls!) will make more of a statement to Apple on launch day than your >> petition ever will. > > I don't know how much I agree with the petition. I feel the petition is a > bit of a rush job by the FSF and things like this could well damage them > more than help. > > Instead of giving people the freedom to choose if the DRM will harm them, > the FSF is telling people it will. I'd much prefer too see people educated > as too why its damaging and to leave people too choose. > >> It's for similar reasons I will not buy an iPod. > > And that would be the choice they should make. To buy or not to buy. > > I also feel that if the FSF just sat back and attempted to educate people > from afar, they wouldn't get through too any more than the people that are > already interested in listening (aka. us). > > Maybe the campaing will bring some attention to the FSF and the cause in > general. Like I said earlier, not sure. I'm just worried the impact of > campaigns like this could leave more members of the FSF looking like > screaming FOSS fanboys and damage the whole argument. > > > -- > Using Opera M2: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > -- > Next meeting: Bournemouth, Wed 2010-02-03 20:00 > http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 > Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset > List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset > -- Dan Dart _ Need a website? Want some music tailored to you? Visit http://www.dandart.co.uk -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Wed 2010-02-03 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] iPad Petition by 'Defective by Design'
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:16:59 -, Sean Gibbins wrote: > Good luck with that Terry, both genuinely and also in that slightly > sarcastic tone that suggests you are peeing in the wind. I don't think a campaign can ever be dropped because its not likely to do much. > It's a good thing that you and your fellow petition signers are letting > them know you disapprove, but I suspect the rush of eager fan-boys (and > girls!) will make more of a statement to Apple on launch day than your > petition ever will. I don't know how much I agree with the petition. I feel the petition is a bit of a rush job by the FSF and things like this could well damage them more than help. Instead of giving people the freedom to choose if the DRM will harm them, the FSF is telling people it will. I'd much prefer too see people educated as too why its damaging and to leave people too choose. > It's for similar reasons I will not buy an iPod. And that would be the choice they should make. To buy or not to buy. I also feel that if the FSF just sat back and attempted to educate people from afar, they wouldn't get through too any more than the people that are already interested in listening (aka. us). Maybe the campaing will bring some attention to the FSF and the cause in general. Like I said earlier, not sure. I'm just worried the impact of campaigns like this could leave more members of the FSF looking like screaming FOSS fanboys and damage the whole argument. -- Using Opera M2: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Wed 2010-02-03 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
