Re: [Dorset] Open Source Document Management Tools

[Simon P Smith]

On 01/10/13 13:38, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk wrote:

1.  Feng Office - http://www.fengoffice.com/web/
2.  Alfresco - http://www.alfresco.com/
3.  Opendocman -
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Does anyone know anything bad about any of those?

As I have said, I use (1) extensively.

I have tried Alfresco (and Liferay) but these demand a heavier load on 
the server as they are java/tomcat based not php like feng office.


Opendocman I think I had a quick look at but wanted the other 
collabortive features of Feng.


The only negative user feedback I have had from users is on the 
workspace/tag concept but this was because the user was not aware that 
the workspaces and tags were essentially filters and so kept "loosing 
their documents" becasue they had a filtered view.


Si


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Re: [Dorset] Open Source Document Management Tools

[d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk]

> On 30 September 2013 at 22:21 Adrian Warman  wrote:
> Without knowing a bit more about the number of users, numbers of files,
> platforms, etc., it's hard to make specific suggestions. However...
> 
> Might you consider a combination of git plus one of the many git GUI
> interfaces for the basic storage versioning and control? Out of the box,
> git supports some astonishing powerful content search (cf
> http://www.jayway.com/2012/01/25/finding-with-git/ )
> 
> For more advanced searching, you might well be better off doing a regular
> snapshot of the current files (easy using git) and searching those, using a
> tool such as recoll ( http://www.lesbonscomptes.com/recoll/index.html )


I've never used GIT, so I can only surmise that the problem with it and any
other source control system like subversion, etc is that it's aimed at mainly
controlling ASCII files, whereas office documents tend to be in a variety of
formats, including a mixture of  binary and markup.  Additionally, only a small
proportion of the users will be programmers; the rest ranging from mechanical
designers through to technical clerks, so any solution should require no special
knowledge to use it.  The solutions that we have found allow documents (some at
least) to be viewed from within the tool, downloaded and / or modified with
automatic tracking of Issue States,etc.  I know that Source Control tools do all
of these things, but we've tried them before and they tend to be a bit opaque to
non- programmers.

>From various suggestions from a number of sources, we are homing in on three
packages:

1.  Feng Office - http://www.fengoffice.com/web/
2.  Alfresco - http://www.alfresco.com/
3.  Opendocman -

Does anyone know anything bad about any of those?

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[Ralph Corderoy]

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Re: [Dorset] Open Source Document Management Tools

[Tim Allen]

Hi Adrian

On 01/10/13 09:19, Adrian Howard wrote:

On 1 October 2013 08:41, Tim Allen  wrote:

In a similar vein, I was going to suggest Subversion. I assume that git, by
its very nature of being a distributed VCS, cannot enforce strict locking
which is essential for binary files. I have a similar situation, using
Mercurial for source control, but Subversion for binary format documents,
CAD data etc. In terms of searching, it would need a bit of scripting around
svn log | grep.


With an appropriate distro structure you can get something similar to
subversion's advisory locks via access rules and hooks. See
http://gitolite.com/gitolite/locking.html for example. Google will
find others ;-)


Interesting, but it falls short in that a user has to remember to apply 
the lock and could be merrily committing to their local repository while 
someone else has the lock, hence wasting work. I think that's inherent 
in the distributed model. This doesn't happen with svn (or similar 
strict locking models) since the working directory files are set 
read-only on checkout. I did a trawl of the various FOSS VCS offerings 
two or three years back and at the time svn appeared to be the only 
current VCS that offers strict locking. Not sure if any others now offer 
this.



Cheers

Tim



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Re: [Dorset] Open Source Document Management Tools

[Adrian Howard]

On 1 October 2013 08:41, Tim Allen  wrote:
> In a similar vein, I was going to suggest Subversion. I assume that git, by
> its very nature of being a distributed VCS, cannot enforce strict locking
> which is essential for binary files. I have a similar situation, using
> Mercurial for source control, but Subversion for binary format documents,
> CAD data etc. In terms of searching, it would need a bit of scripting around
> svn log | grep.

With an appropriate distro structure you can get something similar to
subversion's advisory locks via access rules and hooks. See
http://gitolite.com/gitolite/locking.html for example. Google will
find others ;-)

Cheers,

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Re: [Dorset] Open Source Document Management Tools

[Tim Allen]

On 30/09/13 22:21, Adrian Warman wrote:

Without knowing a bit more about the number of users, numbers of files,
platforms, etc., it's hard to make specific suggestions. However...

Might you consider a combination of git plus one of the many git GUI
interfaces for the basic storage versioning and control? Out of the box,
git supports some astonishing powerful content search (cf
http://www.jayway.com/2012/01/25/finding-with-git/ )

For more advanced searching, you might well be better off doing a regular
snapshot of the current files (easy using git) and searching those, using a
tool such as recoll ( http://www.lesbonscomptes.com/recoll/index.html )



In a similar vein, I was going to suggest Subversion. I assume that git, 
by its very nature of being a distributed VCS, cannot enforce strict 
locking which is essential for binary files. I have a similar situation, 
using Mercurial for source control, but Subversion for binary format 
documents, CAD data etc. In terms of searching, it would need a bit of 
scripting around svn log | grep.



Cheers

Tim





HTH,

Adrian


On 30 September 2013 17:36, Simon P Smith wrote:




On 30/09/2013 14:41, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk wrote:

Is this too much to ask for?  We have identified a few tools, but a
recommendation goes a long way.


Terry,

I find Feng Office pretty good for the basics; it's solid and reliable
but only "renders" a few file-types to the browser ( mind maps, pdf) the
rest you download or checkout which is fine for my purposes.  it does
much more than documents but it is fine at that.
http://www.fengoffice.com/web/

Cheers

Simon

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