Re: [Dorset] Bing versus Google.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/184520/mozilla_endorses_bing_over_google_privacy_issues.html Not at all surprised about this myself but would rather see us move away from this concept of search engine loyalty programs for applications. Did try YaCy peer, but VirginMedia would penalise me too much for the steady bandwidth trickle. Steve On 14/12/2009 20:09, Simon O'Riordan wrote: Not sure of the source, but apparently the boss of Mozilla has advised people to switch from Google to Bing over Google Privacy policies. I ran a test; Haar-classifiers are much more accurately found on Bing, but I am not. Simono No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.106/2563 - Release Date: 12/13/09 19:47:00 -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2010-01-05 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Bing versus Google.
Personally I'm not much worried. But I do like to get a good set of results, and as there are definite performance differences between Google and Bing, I shall be using one to back up the other. Simono - Original Message - From: Dominic Lonsdale lonsdale...@btinternet.com To: Dorset Linux User Group dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Dorset] Bing versus Google. Have you tried Scroogle ? It uses Google but it claims to act as a privacy filter between yourself and Google. http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 20:09 +, Simon O'Riordan wrote: Not sure of the source, but apparently the boss of Mozilla has advised people to switch from Google to Bing over Google Privacy policies. I ran a test; Haar-classifiers are much more accurately found on Bing, but I am not. Simono -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2010-01-05 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2010-01-05 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Bing versus Google.
On 15/12/09 17:31, Terry Coles wrote: On Monday 14 Dec 2009, Simon O'Riordan wrote: Not sure of the source, but apparently the boss of Mozilla has advised people to switch from Google to Bing over Google Privacy policies. I ran a test; Haar-classifiers are much more accurately found on Bing, but I am not. Simono I can't find the article now, but AIUI, he was misreported. He was asked a question about online security using search engines and he said that he didn't trust *any* engine not to misuse his data. The conversation then moved on to setting up Bing as the default search engine in Mozilla and guess what got reported. Like him, I don't trust any search provider, but I think I trust Google more than I trust Microsoft. I have no evidence for this, other than three decades of abuse from the latter and one decade of 'we do no evil' from the former :-) +1 All search engines use your data whether logged on or not. Google offer fantastic free tools so you can't have your cake and eat it. -- -- Discover Linux - Open Source Solutions to Business and Schools http://discoverlinux.co.uk -- -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2010-01-05 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Bing versus Google.
While we're at it, Google has got its own phone due out in the new year. This is their first piece of actual hardware, and of course it uses Android. Apparently some of the existing Androids aren't too happy. The MSM think it likely Google will pursue an Apple I-phone model. I'm not convinced. Simono - Original Message - From: John Cooper l...@discoverlinux.co.uk To: dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [Dorset] Bing versus Google. On 15/12/09 17:31, Terry Coles wrote: On Monday 14 Dec 2009, Simon O'Riordan wrote: Not sure of the source, but apparently the boss of Mozilla has advised people to switch from Google to Bing over Google Privacy policies. I ran a test; Haar-classifiers are much more accurately found on Bing, but I am not. Simono I can't find the article now, but AIUI, he was misreported. He was asked a question about online security using search engines and he said that he didn't trust *any* engine not to misuse his data. The conversation then moved on to setting up Bing as the default search engine in Mozilla and guess what got reported. Like him, I don't trust any search provider, but I think I trust Google more than I trust Microsoft. I have no evidence for this, other than three decades of abuse from the latter and one decade of 'we do no evil' from the former :-) +1 All search engines use your data whether logged on or not. Google offer fantastic free tools so you can't have your cake and eat it. -- -- Discover Linux - Open Source Solutions to Business and Schools http://discoverlinux.co.uk -- -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2010-01-05 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2010-01-05 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Bing versus Google.
Terry Coles wrote: Like him, I don't trust any search provider, but I think I trust Google more than I trust Microsoft. I have no evidence for this, other than three decades of abuse from the latter and one decade of 'we do no evil' from the former :-) Does Bing use criteria like who's paying them money to influence the order of results? Something MS search engines have done in the past IIRC, and something Google have never done. Bing seems to put Ubuntu fairly low-down the list of results for linux. Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2010-01-05 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Bing versus Google.
On Tuesday 15 Dec 2009, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Does Bing use criteria like who's paying them money to influence the order of results? Something MS search engines have done in the past IIRC, and something Google have never done. As you say, MS Search used to be pretty poor. I remember about a year ago, I tried it with the search terms 'Corfe Mullen' and the first four or five hits were commercial enterprises with locations vaguely near to the village. The Wikipedia page was quite near the bottom, with a few pubs above it. Today there's not a noticeable difference between Bing and Google. Perhaps they just submit all the searches to Google and reformat the results :-) Bing seems to put Ubuntu fairly low-down the list of results for linux. I suspect that is Google's algorithm showing its paces. If you look carefully, the top Bing results have linux early in the site name or have linux in the URI. OTOH, Google takes account of popularity AIUI, so Ubuntu moves up the list. I have to say that I've not seen anything in Bing that makes me want to switch from Google. Anyway the verb 'to google' sounds so much more top drawer than the verb 'to bing' :-) -- Terry Coles 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2010-01-05 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
