Re: [Dorset] Microsoft: Better Linux support for Skype

[Ferret Beevor]

What can I say, Microsoft are up their own bum.



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Thursday, 28 April 2016, 13:45 +0100 from p...@aptanet.com  :
>** Terry Coles < d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk > [2016-04-28 07:01]:
>> On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 19:13:19 BST Keith Edmunds wrote:
>> > If you want to run Skype, run Windows. If you want a VoIP solution, there
>> > are many to choose from.
>> 
>> That's a bit extreme.  I have no wish to run Windows, but I do need a VOIP 
>> Client that I can use to contact my relations, particularly my mother who is 
>> deaf and needs to lip-read.
>> 
>> Since none of my family run Linux, and they all use Skype, I would like to 
>> be 
>> able to use it too.  I must admit that when Microsoft introduced Skype for 
>> Linux, I was puzzled as to their motives, but was glad that they had.  Now 
>> that they have decided to stop supporting it (they never did much anyway), I 
>> can't say I'm surprised.
>> 
>> It doesn't stop me trying to get them to keep it.
>** end quote [Terry Coles]
>
>If I remember correctly the Linux client was introduced before Microsft bought
>them. I think it has had an update since, but don't quote me on that! The last
>time I used Skype, which must be a couple of years ago now, I had so much
>hassle getting a connection that in the end all it was used for was a text
>based chat to arrange to move the conversation to a Google Hangout. I hadn't
>used it for a while at that point and only installed it for that conversation.
>All that said, I have signed to add my support for something that would be a
>nice option to have. I suspect, though, that it is more likely to show that
>there isn't enough interest for Microsoft to really bother about. Many Linux
>users will either be happy to, or prefer to use something else, so it is only
>the poor people who have to communicate with non technical Windows/Mac users
>(although I may be over generalising there!).
>
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Re: [Dorset] Microsoft: Better Linux support for Skype

[Paul Tansom]

** Terry Coles  [2016-04-28 07:01]:
> On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 19:13:19 BST Keith Edmunds wrote:
> > If you want to run Skype, run Windows. If you want a VoIP solution, there
> > are many to choose from.
> 
> That's a bit extreme.  I have no wish to run Windows, but I do need a VOIP 
> Client that I can use to contact my relations, particularly my mother who is 
> deaf and needs to lip-read.
> 
> Since none of my family run Linux, and they all use Skype, I would like to be 
> able to use it too.  I must admit that when Microsoft introduced Skype for 
> Linux, I was puzzled as to their motives, but was glad that they had.  Now 
> that they have decided to stop supporting it (they never did much anyway), I 
> can't say I'm surprised.
> 
> It doesn't stop me trying to get them to keep it.
** end quote [Terry Coles]

If I remember correctly the Linux client was introduced before Microsft bought
them. I think it has had an update since, but don't quote me on that! The last
time I used Skype, which must be a couple of years ago now, I had so much
hassle getting a connection that in the end all it was used for was a text
based chat to arrange to move the conversation to a Google Hangout. I hadn't
used it for a while at that point and only installed it for that conversation.
All that said, I have signed to add my support for something that would be a
nice option to have. I suspect, though, that it is more likely to show that
there isn't enough interest for Microsoft to really bother about. Many Linux
users will either be happy to, or prefer to use something else, so it is only
the poor people who have to communicate with non technical Windows/Mac users
(although I may be over generalising there!).

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Re: [Dorset] Microsoft: Better Linux support for Skype

[Terry Coles]

On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 19:13:19 BST Keith Edmunds wrote:
> If you want to run Skype, run Windows. If you want a VoIP solution, there
> are many to choose from.

That's a bit extreme.  I have no wish to run Windows, but I do need a VOIP 
Client that I can use to contact my relations, particularly my mother who is 
deaf and needs to lip-read.

Since none of my family run Linux, and they all use Skype, I would like to be 
able to use it too.  I must admit that when Microsoft introduced Skype for 
Linux, I was puzzled as to their motives, but was glad that they had.  Now 
that they have decided to stop supporting it (they never did much anyway), I 
can't say I'm surprised.

It doesn't stop me trying to get them to keep it.

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Re: [Dorset] Microsoft: Better Linux support for Skype

[Keith Edmunds]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:28:47 +0300, mr.fbee...@gmail.com said:

> The ultimate goal would be to develop something that pisses off
> Microsoft to the extent they have a temper tantrum. Some cleverly
> thought out program where they could do nothing about it.

It's not going to happen. Microsoft has a market capitalisation of almost
$400B. I'm not saying they will last for ever - they won't, and the
decline has started - but the development of any one thing isn't going to
put a big crack in that. You may disagree with the way they do business or
their approach to technology, but you don't get to be a $400B company
without some very smart business people around.
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Re: [Dorset] Microsoft: Better Linux support for Skype

[Ferret Beevor]

The ultimate goal would be to develop something that pisses off Microsoft to 
the extent they have a temper tantrum. Some cleverly thought out program where 
they could do nothing about it.

As far as I'm aware those sort of things have already happened on a small 
scale. now there just needs to be that one big thing that bashes them over the 
head with a big wet fish and sending them into retreat mode.

Excuse my language.


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Tuesday, 26 April 2016, 18:05 +0100 from duked...@gmail.com  
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>I've found that Discord is another decent alternative. They don't appear to
>have a native Linux app just yet, but the web interface works just fine -
>and better than Skype's own one does.
>https://discordapp.com/
>Although the trouble is convincing others who still use Skype and either
>don't notice, or don't mind, it's issues to change over.
>
>On 26 April 2016 at 17:57, Andrew < zil...@ziltro.com > wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't it be better to put effort into something more open and
>> surveillance-free?
>>
>>  https://tox.chat/
>>
>> While all of the Tox clients are classed as 'alpha' and there's still work
>> to do, it is quite usable right now.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
>>
>> On 26/04/16 17:38, CPK Smithies wrote:
>>
>>> I just signed the petition "Microsoft: Better Linux support for Skype".
>>> I don't know how much hope they have of making any difference.
>>>
>>> Their goal is to reach 100 signatures - modest enough. They have some
>>> way to go. You can read more and sign the petition here:
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>> https://www.change.org/p/microsoft-better-linux-support-for-skype?recruiter=532970063_source=share_petition_medium=email_campaign=share_email_responsive
>>>
>>> Regards to all,
>>> CPKS
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [Dorset] Microsoft: Better Linux support for Skype

[Keith Edmunds]

On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:38:09 +0100, c...@smithies.org said:

> I just signed the petition "Microsoft: Better Linux support for Skype".

Why?

Microsoft's only interest in Linux is minimizing the damage it can do to
their revenue stream.

If you want to run Skype, run Windows. If you want a VoIP solution, there
are many to choose from.
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Re: [Dorset] Microsoft: Better Linux support for Skype

[Peter Merchant]

On 26/04/16 18:05, StarLion wrote:

I've found that Discord is another decent alternative. They don't appear to
have a native Linux app just yet, but the web interface works just fine -
and better than Skype's own one does.
https://discordapp.com/
Although the trouble is convincing others who still use Skype and either
don't notice, or don't mind, it's issues to change over.


That's the big problem.
P.

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Re: [Dorset] Microsoft: Better Linux support for Skype

[Andrew]

Wouldn't it be better to put effort into something more open and 
surveillance-free?


https://tox.chat/

While all of the Tox clients are classed as 'alpha' and there's still 
work to do, it is quite usable right now.


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On 26/04/16 17:38, CPK Smithies wrote:

I just signed the petition "Microsoft: Better Linux support for Skype".
I don't know how much hope they have of making any difference.

Their goal is to reach 100 signatures - modest enough. They have some
way to go. You can read more and sign the petition here:

https://www.change.org/p/microsoft-better-linux-support-for-skype?recruiter=532970063_source=share_petition_medium=email_campaign=share_email_responsive

Regards to all,
CPKS




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Re: [Dorset] Microsoft: Better Linux support for Skype

[Peter Merchant]

On 26/04/16 17:38, CPK Smithies wrote:

I just signed the petition "Microsoft: Better Linux support for Skype".
I don't know how much hope they have of making any difference.

Their goal is to reach 100 signatures - modest enough. They have some
way to go. You can read more and sign the petition here:

https://www.change.org/p/microsoft-better-linux-support-for-skype?recruiter=532970063_source=share_petition_medium=email_campaign=share_email_responsive

Regards to all,
CPKS


Ok, I'm number 18.
Peter M.

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