Re: [Dovecot] A dovecot book ?
Am 03.03.2010 23:55, schrieb Curtis Maloney: On 03/04/10 09:10, Noel Butler wrote: There is only one authoritative source who should be writing it if a book is to be written and we all know who that author should be. I disagree. In the time I've been watching/using Dovecot (since the 0.99 series) Timo has had many cases of improving Dovecot [even if it's just a config option name] because of the points of view of other people. For many reasons, I thinks it would be better if someone else [preferably someone with a long history with Dovecot, of course] were to write the book, and Timo signed off on it. But for what version, as 1.x is in wide usage and will be for a long time, 2.0 is almost upon us, much of 1.x is not applicable to 2.x , so should Timo be writing 2 books? One excessively big book? Where is he to find time to write this whilst developing dovecot, and heaven forbid, enjoy the outside world with a real life :) Given a sizable portion of understanding Dovecot is understanding email in general, I wonder just how much of the book would bifurcate for covering the differing versions... -- Curtis Maloney Hi all I have never thought on so many comments to my question and i am surely surprised about the direction how this discussion went. I totally agree with the one of you who mentioned the online documentation and the wiki. I know that it exists and i used it for setting up my mail server, but ... as i said, i am old fashioned and i can better work with books. It's just a personal preferrence. Well, i also know that many developers are still working on dovecot, especially Timo and that always new features, configuration options and so on are added, but ... it's the same with other applications in the community (e.g. postfix, apache, OpenLDAP, samba ) and for all those applications books are available, and that was the reason, why i asked for a book. And to be honest. When i go thru the documentation part, most of the documents were not changed for at least 6 months. I am sure that between the writing and the publishing of a book new dovecot features will be introduced and not covered in the book. But everyone working with books knows that they can't be up to date, but they are a real good basis for me to start with the fundamentals and then add this information by new data from the web. And guys just to mention one big advantage of a book is, you can read it offline easily!! But there is one thing i want to mention at this point. Even if you agree with me about having a book or not. What i really like is the discussion about and the chance to do so, because dovecot is opensource. And for me this is in the end the result behind the idea of open source. Everyone has the chance to contribute, either by code, by suggestions, by comments . And that for me is more important than to have a book or not. Thank you all for your comments. Regards, -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Carsten Laun-De Lellis Dipl.-Ing. Elektrotechnik Certified Information Systems Auditor (CISA) Hauptstrasse 13 D-67705 Trippstadt Phone: +49 (6306) 992140 Mobile: +49 (151) 27530865 email: carsten.delel...@delellis.net
[Dovecot] A dovecot book ?
Hi all I am using dovecot at home for privat use and i found a lot of documentation here on the web. But you know, i am an old fashion guy and i like books. Is there a book on the market that will help me with understanding dovecot more and the configuration options ? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Regards, Carsten Laun-De Lellis Dipl.-Ing. Elektrotechnik Certified Information Systems Auditor (CISA) Hauptstrasse 13 D-67705 Trippstadt Phone: +49 (6306) 992140 Mobile: +49 (151) 27530865 email: carsten.delel...@delellis.net
Re: [Dovecot] A dovecot book ?
Carsten Laun-De Lellis put forth on 3/3/2010 4:09 AM: Hi all I am using dovecot at home for privat use and i found a lot of documentation here on the web. But you know, i am an old fashion guy and i like books. Is there a book on the market that will help me with understanding dovecot more and the configuration options ? This book apparently covers some of Dovecot: http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Open-Source-Mail-Enterprise/dp/159059598X It's geared toward building a complete mail server solution, so it's not dedicated to Dovecot. How much of Dovecot it covers I don't know, as I've not read it. It was apparently published in Sept 2006, 3.5 years ago. Standard caution applies: some/much of the technical information may now be incorrect as things have changed in the software over the 4+ year period since the author put pen to paper, so to speak. This is the most recent book I could find that covers a little bit of Dovecot. There doesn't appear to be a Book of Dovecot. Dovecot is covered a bit in The Book of Postfix, but it was published in 2005, so it will be even farther out of date. The book linked above may be worth the read for general architectural setup. -- Stan
Re: [Dovecot] A dovecot book ?
Am 03.03.2010 11:39, schrieb Stan Hoeppner: Carsten Laun-De Lellis put forth on 3/3/2010 4:09 AM: Hi all I am using dovecot at home for privat use and i found a lot of documentation here on the web. But you know, i am an old fashion guy and i like books. Is there a book on the market that will help me with understanding dovecot more and the configuration options ? This book apparently covers some of Dovecot: http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Open-Source-Mail-Enterprise/dp/159059598X It's geared toward building a complete mail server solution, so it's not dedicated to Dovecot. How much of Dovecot it covers I don't know, as I've not read it. It was apparently published in Sept 2006, 3.5 years ago. Standard caution applies: some/much of the technical information may now be incorrect as things have changed in the software over the 4+ year period since the author put pen to paper, so to speak. This is the most recent book I could find that covers a little bit of Dovecot. There doesn't appear to be a Book of Dovecot. Dovecot is covered a bit in The Book of Postfix, but it was published in 2005, so it will be even farther out of date. The book linked above may be worth the read for general architectural setup. Thank you for your quick reply. I already have two postfix books one published in 2007 another one in 2009. Both covers dovecot in examples how to set up a mail server for enterprises, but this is not what i am looking for. I am looking for an equivalent to the courier and cyrus books on the market. But again thank you for your reply. Regards, Carsten -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Carsten Laun-De Lellis Dipl.-Ing. Elektrotechnik Certified Information Systems Auditor (CISA) Hauptstrasse 13 D-67705 Trippstadt Phone: +49 (6306) 992140 Mobile: +49 (151) 27530865 email: carsten.delel...@delellis.net
Re: [Dovecot] A dovecot book ?
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:57:35 +0100 Carsten Laun-De Lellis carsten.delel...@delellis.net articulated: Am 03.03.2010 11:39, schrieb Stan Hoeppner: Carsten Laun-De Lellis put forth on 3/3/2010 4:09 AM: Hi all I am using dovecot at home for privat use and i found a lot of documentation here on the web. But you know, i am an old fashion guy and i like books. Is there a book on the market that will help me with understanding dovecot more and the configuration options ? This book apparently covers some of Dovecot: http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Open-Source-Mail-Enterprise/dp/159059598X It's geared toward building a complete mail server solution, so it's not dedicated to Dovecot. How much of Dovecot it covers I don't know, as I've not read it. It was apparently published in Sept 2006, 3.5 years ago. Standard caution applies: some/much of the technical information may now be incorrect as things have changed in the software over the 4+ year period since the author put pen to paper, so to speak. This is the most recent book I could find that covers a little bit of Dovecot. There doesn't appear to be a Book of Dovecot. Dovecot is covered a bit in The Book of Postfix, but it was published in 2005, so it will be even farther out of date. The book linked above may be worth the read for general architectural setup. Thank you for your quick reply. I already have two postfix books one published in 2007 another one in 2009. Both covers dovecot in examples how to set up a mail server for enterprises, but this is not what i am looking for. I am looking for an equivalent to the courier and cyrus books on the market. But again thank you for your reply. Regards, Carsten A while ago, I expressed an interest in writing a book about Dovecot; something along the Dovecot for Dummies scenario. I have switched jobs, and am attempting to relocate so I have not had a lot of time to invest in the venture. Hopefully, within the next year I will get back to the project. That doesn't help you much, but it might someday assist someone else. Personally, I always enjoy reading from a book more than from a web page. Just my own preference though. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com |=== |=== |=== |=== | One of the signs of Napoleon's greatness is the fact that he once had a publisher shot. Siegfried Unseld
Re: [Dovecot] A dovecot book ?
Just print all of the dovecot documentation from the website, 3-hole punch them, stick them in a 3-ring folder and voila, a Dovecot book that has pretty current information. Kidding aside I find digital better in general as doing find is utterly important to me. When reading technical books in print I find myself thinking, man, I wish I could do a ctrl-f while I page thru, skim, check the index, check the TOC, etc. -Original Message- From: dovecot-bounces+jkrejci=usinternet@dovecot.org [mailto:dovecot-bounces+jkrejci=usinternet@dovecot.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:24 AM To: dovecot@dovecot.org Subject: Re: [Dovecot] A dovecot book ? On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:57:35 +0100 Carsten Laun-De Lellis carsten.delel...@delellis.net articulated: Am 03.03.2010 11:39, schrieb Stan Hoeppner: Carsten Laun-De Lellis put forth on 3/3/2010 4:09 AM: Hi all I am using dovecot at home for privat use and i found a lot of documentation here on the web. But you know, i am an old fashion guy and i like books. Is there a book on the market that will help me with understanding dovecot more and the configuration options ? This book apparently covers some of Dovecot: http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Open-Source-Mail-Enterprise/dp/159059598X It's geared toward building a complete mail server solution, so it's not dedicated to Dovecot. How much of Dovecot it covers I don't know, as I've not read it. It was apparently published in Sept 2006, 3.5 years ago. Standard caution applies: some/much of the technical information may now be incorrect as things have changed in the software over the 4+ year period since the author put pen to paper, so to speak. This is the most recent book I could find that covers a little bit of Dovecot. There doesn't appear to be a Book of Dovecot. Dovecot is covered a bit in The Book of Postfix, but it was published in 2005, so it will be even farther out of date. The book linked above may be worth the read for general architectural setup. Thank you for your quick reply. I already have two postfix books one published in 2007 another one in 2009. Both covers dovecot in examples how to set up a mail server for enterprises, but this is not what i am looking for. I am looking for an equivalent to the courier and cyrus books on the market. But again thank you for your reply. Regards, Carsten A while ago, I expressed an interest in writing a book about Dovecot; something along the Dovecot for Dummies scenario. I have switched jobs, and am attempting to relocate so I have not had a lot of time to invest in the venture. Hopefully, within the next year I will get back to the project. That doesn't help you much, but it might someday assist someone else. Personally, I always enjoy reading from a book more than from a web page. Just my own preference though. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com |=== |=== |=== |=== | One of the signs of Napoleon's greatness is the fact that he once had a publisher shot. Siegfried Unseld
Re: [Dovecot] A dovecot book ?
On 3.3.2010, at 18.47, Jose Celestino wrote: On Qua, 2010-03-03 at 18:42 +0200, Timo Sirainen wrote: On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 16:33 +, Jose Celestino wrote: I would rather have a dovecot devel book. What optimizations were made? What libs were made from scratch and why? All the gory details. A la Robert Love's Linux Kernel Development. Have you read http://wiki.dovecot.org/Design yet? Sure. But I like paper. Do you have some suggestions what else could be written there in the wiki? Or is this just about getting a nice wiki - book conversion with basically the same text? :)
Re: [Dovecot] A dovecot book ?
I don't know MoinMoin but with some wiki's (mediawiki for example) it is possible to include the contents of one page within another, so it does be come possible to build all the pages of a wiki into a single page that then allows for it to be printed out in one go, any changes in the source page are automatically shown on the compendium page, so only when a new page is created does a change need to be made to the compendium page. Media wiki actually allows a compendium page to reference other compendium pages, so you can build a system that shows pages, then sections, then chapters, then the whole document for printing. Regards John On 3 Mar 2010, at 17:35, Timo Sirainen wrote: On 3.3.2010, at 18.47, Jose Celestino wrote: On Qua, 2010-03-03 at 18:42 +0200, Timo Sirainen wrote: On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 16:33 +, Jose Celestino wrote: I would rather have a dovecot devel book. What optimizations were made? What libs were made from scratch and why? All the gory details. A la Robert Love's Linux Kernel Development. Have you read http://wiki.dovecot.org/Design yet? Sure. But I like paper. Do you have some suggestions what else could be written there in the wiki? Or is this just about getting a nice wiki - book conversion with basically the same text? :)
Re: [Dovecot] A dovecot book ?
There is only one authoritative source who should be writing it if a book is to be written and we all know who that author should be. But for what version, as 1.x is in wide usage and will be for a long time, 2.0 is almost upon us, much of 1.x is not applicable to 2.x , so should Timo be writing 2 books? One excessively big book? Where is he to find time to write this whilst developing dovecot, and heaven forbid, enjoy the outside world with a real life :) The wiki is fine for 80% of people, this list is fine on top of wiki for another 19.99% of people, and, for those remaining 0.01%, who need things on paper, I'm sure they all have this thing called a printer, and access to the wiki and list archives. Conversely, if you had guaranteed large number (K's) of orders to make it worth his time, I'm sure Timo might find the time, I know I would :) On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 06:23 -0500, Jerry wrote: On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:57:35 +0100 Carsten Laun-De Lellis carsten.delel...@delellis.net articulated: Am 03.03.2010 11:39, schrieb Stan Hoeppner: Carsten Laun-De Lellis put forth on 3/3/2010 4:09 AM: Hi all I am using dovecot at home for privat use and i found a lot of documentation here on the web. But you know, i am an old fashion guy and i like books. Is there a book on the market that will help me with understanding dovecot more and the configuration options ? This book apparently covers some of Dovecot: http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Open-Source-Mail-Enterprise/dp/159059598X It's geared toward building a complete mail server solution, so it's not dedicated to Dovecot. How much of Dovecot it covers I don't know, as I've not read it. It was apparently published in Sept 2006, 3.5 years ago. Standard caution applies: some/much of the technical information may now be incorrect as things have changed in the software over the 4+ year period since the author put pen to paper, so to speak. This is the most recent book I could find that covers a little bit of Dovecot. There doesn't appear to be a Book of Dovecot. Dovecot is covered a bit in The Book of Postfix, but it was published in 2005, so it will be even farther out of date. The book linked above may be worth the read for general architectural setup. Thank you for your quick reply. I already have two postfix books one published in 2007 another one in 2009. Both covers dovecot in examples how to set up a mail server for enterprises, but this is not what i am looking for. I am looking for an equivalent to the courier and cyrus books on the market. But again thank you for your reply. Regards, Carsten A while ago, I expressed an interest in writing a book about Dovecot; something along the Dovecot for Dummies scenario. I have switched jobs, and am attempting to relocate so I have not had a lot of time to invest in the venture. Hopefully, within the next year I will get back to the project. That doesn't help you much, but it might someday assist someone else. Personally, I always enjoy reading from a book more than from a web page. Just my own preference though. attachment: stock_smiley-1.png
Re: [Dovecot] A dovecot book ?
On 03/04/10 09:10, Noel Butler wrote: There is only one authoritative source who should be writing it if a book is to be written and we all know who that author should be. I disagree. In the time I've been watching/using Dovecot (since the 0.99 series) Timo has had many cases of improving Dovecot [even if it's just a config option name] because of the points of view of other people. For many reasons, I thinks it would be better if someone else [preferably someone with a long history with Dovecot, of course] were to write the book, and Timo signed off on it. But for what version, as 1.x is in wide usage and will be for a long time, 2.0 is almost upon us, much of 1.x is not applicable to 2.x , so should Timo be writing 2 books? One excessively big book? Where is he to find time to write this whilst developing dovecot, and heaven forbid, enjoy the outside world with a real life :) Given a sizable portion of understanding Dovecot is understanding email in general, I wonder just how much of the book would bifurcate for covering the differing versions... -- Curtis Maloney
