Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 17:49 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: How about a configuration option that's a regex or glob of files to ignore in the mail directories? A plugin could do that. ACL plugin could be used as an example. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
[...] My hunch is that IMP became very confused when we switched IMAP servers, and fell back to re-reading the entire mailbox each time it connected to the server. If I am correct, then we should see normal usage when he next accesses IMP with a fresh session. It appears that my hunch is correct. Access via webmail for this user is back to normal. Thank you for all the help! -- Chris O'Regan ch...@encs.concordia.ca Senior Unix Systems Administrator, Academic IT Services Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Concordia University, Montreal, Canada
Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
DUH! Please ignore the Corrupted index cache file; the mailbox in question is a file named delivery.log (i.e. procmail log file) that is in the user's ~/mail directory. Of course there will be problems trying to index this file, it is not an mbox! *sigh* Hmm. It still seems like there's something Dovecot should do better here. I'll see what I can do about it with my procmail log file :) How about a configuration option that's a regex or glob of files to ignore in the mail directories? I second the motion! :-) We have a number users with procmail recipes that put deliver.log in ~/mail. This was not a problem with uw-imap since most of our users would subscribe to their folders, and so they would never see it. Now that Dovecot roots itself in ~/mail we are recommending to our users not to bother with subscribing but instead show all folders, so it is appearing in their folder list by default. A few people have already complained, which means that there are a zillion others who are just muttering to themselves. :-/ Chris
Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
I have another hunch. Time to speak to the user... He is now using a different client to access his mail and the problem has gone away. I have asked him to try IMP again as I wish to confirm my hunch. Evidence suggests that he was away the day we migrated from uw-imap to Dovecot but left himself logged in to IMP. He did not return until Thursday, at which point he resumed using IMP. I suspect that he did not actually start a new session, he just revived the existing one. My hunch is that IMP became very confused when we switched IMAP servers, and fell back to re-reading the entire mailbox each time it connected to the server. If I am correct, then we should see normal usage when he next accesses IMP with a fresh session. If I can confirm this, then I don't think there is much that can be done to fix the problem in either IMP or Dovecot as it is a very unique case that will rarely be encountered. And we did warn people to close their mail before the maintenance Thanks everyone! -- Chris O'Regan ch...@encs.concordia.ca Senior Unix Systems Administrator, Academic IT Services Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Concordia University, Montreal, Canada
[Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
We have been noticing a constant hum of traffic between our IMAP server (Dovecot v1.1.14) and our filers over the past several days. I have narrowed it down to one particular user who has been logged in to IMP/Horde since the problem began (he hadn't logged since we upgraded to Dovecot a week before). IMP is periodically checking this user's mail every five minutes. Each time it does, the his entire mailbox is being read. I initially thought it might be an indexing problem since I am also seeing messages such as this in the logs: Corrupted index cache file /local/data/dovecot/indexes/mail/X//.imap/delivery.log/dovecot.index.cache: Broken MIME parts for mail UID 30880 But the in/out bytes being logged by Dovecot indicate that the entire contents of his mailbox are being sent to the client. That is, this user has a particularly large mailbox (~500M) and about 500M are being sent to IMP every five minutes. (Actually, what is the meaning of the above message? He's the only user logging it.) The user does have some filters defined in IMP, but I can't imagine that it would try to apply them to the entire mailbox each time it is accessed. Surely it would only apply the filters to new messages, right? But I can't think of any other reason why we would be seeing this behaviour, and only for this user. I have not yet contacted the user as I need something to tell him other than you're a bandwidth hog. I think the next step is to ask him to disable his filters, but I would prefer not shooting in the dark. This user alone is adding about 50Mbps of bandwidth; between the time we upgraded to Dovecot (from uw-imap) and he logged in, we were witnessing a huge drop in traffic. He's ruining our graphs! ;-) Seriously, if anyone has some ideas, please let me know. Thanks! -- Chris O'Regan ch...@encs.concordia.ca Senior Unix Systems Administrator, Academic IT Services Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Concordia University, Montreal, Canada
Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Chris O'Regan wrote: IMP is periodically checking this user's mail every five minutes. Each time it does, the his entire mailbox is being read. I initially thought it might be an indexing problem since I am also seeing messages such as this in the logs: Corrupted index cache file /local/data/dovecot/indexes/mail/X/ /.imap/delivery.log/dovecot.index.cache: Broken MIME parts for mail UID 30880 Is it always this same UID? How often does it happen? Every 5 minutes? Can you reproduce this manually somehow? If there's a way to reproduce this, I'd like to get a copy of the mailbox. You can put the mailbox through http://dovecot.org/tools/mbox-anonymize.pl and hopefully it will then still break. Dovecot anyway detects that data in cache file is corrupted, so it deletes the entire cache file. If IMP actually fetches something like BODY or BODYSTRUCTURE for all messages, that causes all the messages to be read since the cache was just deleted.
Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
Quoting Timo Sirainen t...@iki.fi: On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Chris O'Regan wrote: IMP is periodically checking this user's mail every five minutes. Each time it does, the his entire mailbox is being read. I initially thought it might be an indexing problem since I am also seeing messages such as this in the logs: Corrupted index cache file /local/data/dovecot/indexes/mail/X//.imap/delivery.log/dovecot.index.cache: Broken MIME parts for mail UID 30880 Is it always this same UID? How often does it happen? Every 5 minutes? Can you reproduce this manually somehow? If there's a way to reproduce this, I'd like to get a copy of the mailbox. You can put the mailbox through http://dovecot.org/tools/mbox-anonymize.pl and hopefully it will then still break. Dovecot anyway detects that data in cache file is corrupted, so it deletes the entire cache file. If IMP actually fetches something like BODY or BODYSTRUCTURE for all messages, that causes all the messages to be read since the cache was just deleted. IMP also has an option to preview messages. It reads the entire contents of the messages (should only be 20 or so for the 'current' INBOX window), and will display the first 200 characters or so of the email. Is it possible the numbers you're seeing reflect the total size of his most current 20 emails? Rick
Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
Quoting Rick Romero r...@havokmon.com: Quoting Timo Sirainen t...@iki.fi: On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Chris O'Regan wrote: IMP is periodically checking this user's mail every five minutes. Each time it does, the his entire mailbox is being read. I initially thought it might be an indexing problem since I am also seeing messages such as this in the logs: Corrupted index cache file /local/data/dovecot/indexes/mail/X//.imap/delivery.log/dovecot.index.cache: Broken MIME parts for mail UID 30880 Is it always this same UID? How often does it happen? Every 5 minutes? Can you reproduce this manually somehow? If there's a way to reproduce this, I'd like to get a copy of the mailbox. You can put the mailbox through http://dovecot.org/tools/mbox-anonymize.pl and hopefully it will then still break. Dovecot anyway detects that data in cache file is corrupted, so it deletes the entire cache file. If IMP actually fetches something like BODY or BODYSTRUCTURE for all messages, that causes all the messages to be read since the cache was just deleted. IMP also has an option to preview messages. It reads the entire contents of the messages (should only be 20 or so for the 'current' INBOX window), and will display the first 200 characters or so of the email. Is it possible the numbers you're seeing reflect the total size of his most current 20 emails? Unfortunately, with IMP 4.x we are limited to the API provided by c-client/PHP imap module. This API is *horribly* inefficient and does all sorts of terrible IMAP things that are unnecessary/inefficient/embarassing. So it is conceivable that the entire mailbox is scanned when a mailbox refresh occurs. Good news is that IMP 5 fixes all this with a new IMAP library (created, in part, with advice directly from Timo himself :)). Although none of this explains why the dovecot cache is apparently being corrupted. michael
Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
Corrupted index cache file /local/data/dovecot/indexes/mail/X/ /.imap/delivery.log/dovecot.index.cache: Broken MIME parts for mail UID 30880 Is it always this same UID? How often does it happen? Every 5 minutes? The UID is increasing by one each time. There does not seem to be a pattern. Here's a sample from the past couple of days: Jun 8 05:56:57 ... UID 30859 Jun 8 06:14:44 ... UID 30860 Jun 8 09:03:01 ... UID 30861 Jun 8 09:44:27 ... UID 30862 Jun 8 10:25:48 ... UID 30863 Jun 8 11:30:46 ... UID 30864 Jun 8 12:00:49 ... UID 30865 Jun 8 12:48:12 ... UID 30866 Jun 8 13:53:12 ... UID 30867 Jun 8 14:17:04 ... UID 30868 Jun 8 14:29:44 ... UID 30869 Jun 8 17:35:01 ... UID 30870 Jun 8 18:34:49 ... UID 30871 Jun 8 18:41:14 ... UID 30872 Jun 8 22:25:33 ... UID 30873 Jun 8 23:36:45 ... UID 30874 Jun 9 01:28:36 ... UID 30875 Jun 9 03:25:57 ... UID 30876 Jun 9 06:33:33 ... UID 30877 Jun 9 10:11:08 ... UID 30878 Jun 9 10:23:47 ... UID 30879 Jun 9 10:29:56 ... UID 30880 Jun 9 12:40:48 ... UID 30881 Jun 9 13:40:08 ... UID 30882 Jun 9 13:58:18 ... UID 30883 Jun 9 14:28:23 ... UID 30884 Can you reproduce this manually somehow? If there's a way to reproduce this, I'd like to get a copy of the mailbox. You can put the mailbox through http://dovecot.org/tools/mbox-anonymize.pl and hopefully it will then still break. It is doubtful that I would be permitted to send a copy of the mailbox, anonymized or not. It is questionable whether I would even be permitted to make a copy of it as an experiment. Dovecot anyway detects that data in cache file is corrupted, so it deletes the entire cache file. If IMP actually fetches something like BODY or BODYSTRUCTURE for all messages, that causes all the messages to be read since the cache was just deleted. Is there an easy way to tell if the cache file has been deleted and recreated? For example, will the inode number change? I enabled mail_debug for a short while this morning and did not notice anything unusual with the logs for this user: connect, set up namespace, disconnect just like everyone else. At any rate, the Dovecot stats report bytes out of about 500MB every five minutes (when the user's session closes); would this include the data read to build the index? I suspect not. -- Chris O'Regan ch...@encs.concordia.ca Senior Unix Systems Administrator, Academic IT Services Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Concordia University, Montreal, Canada
Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
IMP also has an option to preview messages. It reads the entire contents of the messages (should only be 20 or so for the 'current' INBOX window), and will display the first 200 characters or so of the email. Is it possible the numbers you're seeing reflect the total size of his most current 20 emails? I am fairly confident that IMP is reading the entire mailbox. The burst of traffic caused by this user's imap process was about 500MB in size (as reported by iptraf), same as the size of the user's mailbox, same as the bytes out reported by Dovecot. The user has close to 4000 messages in his mailbox. I just verified that the maximum messages per page that can be set is 999. Thanks. -- Chris O'Regan ch...@encs.concordia.ca Senior Unix Systems Administrator, Academic IT Services Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Concordia University, Montreal, Canada
Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Chris O'Regan wrote: Corrupted index cache file /local/data/dovecot/indexes/mail/X/ /.imap/delivery.log/dovecot.index.cache: Broken MIME parts for mail UID 30880 Is it always this same UID? How often does it happen? Every 5 minutes? The UID is increasing by one each time. There does not seem to be a pattern. Here's a sample from the past couple of days: Jun 8 05:56:57 ... UID 30859 Jun 8 06:14:44 ... UID 30860 Jun 8 09:03:01 ... UID 30861 That's kind of weird. So it doesn't seem like the contents of the mailbox actually matter. Dovecot anyway detects that data in cache file is corrupted, so it deletes the entire cache file. If IMP actually fetches something like BODY or BODYSTRUCTURE for all messages, that causes all the messages to be read since the cache was just deleted. Is there an easy way to tell if the cache file has been deleted and recreated? For example, will the inode number change? The inode might change, but then again after the next recreation it could get the original inode back. But you could run idxview program and it'll show the cache file's file_seq which always increases: idxview ~/Maildir .. file_seq . = 1234639580 (2009-02-14 11:26:20) (9 compressions) I enabled mail_debug for a short while this morning and did not notice anything unusual with the logs for this user: connect, set up namespace, disconnect just like everyone else. mail_debug isn't really helpful in figuring out bugs. At any rate, the Dovecot stats report bytes out of about 500MB every five minutes (when the user's session closes); would this include the data read to build the index? I suspect not. Hmm. Right, no, it wouldn't. The indexing issue sounds like a bug I should fix though. As for sending the 500 MB it sounds like an IMP issue. You could enable rawlog to see what commands exactly IMP sends: http://wiki.dovecot.org/Debugging/Rawlog And to avoid it writing 500 MB log files every time, you can use rawlog -o parameter to log only the client - server traffic (looks like I've messed up the -i and -o parameter order, guess I should switch them some day..)
Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
Unfortunately, with IMP 4.x we are limited to the API provided by c-client/PHP imap module. This API is *horribly* inefficient and does all sorts of terrible IMAP things that are unnecessary/inefficient/embarassing. So it is conceivable that the entire mailbox is scanned when a mailbox refresh occurs. I discussed this with our network administrator and he is not convinced since we weren't seeing this problem prior to the migration to Dovecot a couple of weeks ago (and the last time the user was seen logged in prior to last Thursday when he reappeared and the problem started). It's just peculiar that we are seeing a problem with only one user. I have a feeling that the corrupt cache files are related since no other user has triggered these messages. Thanks. -- Chris O'Regan ch...@encs.concordia.ca Senior Unix Systems Administrator, Academic IT Services Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Concordia University, Montreal, Canada
Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
Quoting Chris O'Regan ch...@encs.concordia.ca: Unfortunately, with IMP 4.x we are limited to the API provided by c-client/PHP imap module. This API is *horribly* inefficient and does all sorts of terrible IMAP things that are unnecessary/inefficient/embarassing. So it is conceivable that the entire mailbox is scanned when a mailbox refresh occurs. I discussed this with our network administrator and he is not convinced since we weren't seeing this problem prior to the migration to Dovecot a couple of weeks ago (and the last time the user was seen logged in prior to last Thursday when he reappeared and the problem started). It's just peculiar that we are seeing a problem with only one user. I have a feeling that the corrupt cache files are related since no other user has triggered these messages. I would agree with the statement that this may be an issue due to a certain user/mailbox - I was not suggesting that IMP requires a full mailbox rebuild on every access for every user (yuck). But just in case you started directly debugging the IMAP traffic, I just wanted to throw out a warning that you will definitiely see some queries that are extremely inefficient (e.g. c-client has a weird lookahead configuration that will grab information for the 20 messages immediately following the queried message, even though none of this information is needed). To help in debugging, didn't want you/anyone else to think this was an issue with either Dovecot or IMP. michael
Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
Corrupted index cache file /local/data/dovecot/indexes/mail/X//.imap/delivery.log/dovecot.index.cache: Broken MIME parts for mail UID 30880 DUH! Please ignore the Corrupted index cache file; the mailbox in question is a file named delivery.log (i.e. procmail log file) that is in the user's ~/mail directory. Of course there will be problems trying to index this file, it is not an mbox! *sigh* Okay, I think this rules out an indexing problem. But the main problem persists, why has IMP all of a sudden begun reading the entire contents of this user's mailbox each time it connects, and why has the started since upgrading to Dovecot? I have another hunch. Time to speak to the user... Many thanks for the help so far! -- Chris O'Regan ch...@encs.concordia.ca Senior Unix Systems Administrator, Academic IT Services Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Concordia University, Montreal, Canada
Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
The inode might change, but then again after the next recreation it could get the original inode back. But you could run idxview program and it'll show the cache file's file_seq which always increases: Here is the file sequence for the cache file that corresponds to the problematic mailbox: file_seq . = 1243426033 (2009-05-27 08:07:13) (13 compressions) The timestamp corresponds with the time we switched over to Dovecot. Hmm. Right, no, it wouldn't. The indexing issue sounds like a bug I should fix though. As for sending the 500 MB it sounds like an IMP issue. You could enable rawlog to see what commands exactly IMP sends: http://wiki.dovecot.org/Debugging/Rawlog And to avoid it writing 500 MB log files every time, you can use rawlog -o parameter to log only the client - server traffic (looks like I've messed up the -i and -o parameter order, guess I should switch them some day..) This looks interesting, but I may want to ask the user to try this on our development server as I am reluctant to turn this on in production. All of our IMP connections are localhost - localhost. :-) -- Chris O'Regan ch...@encs.concordia.ca Senior Unix Systems Administrator, Academic IT Services Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Concordia University, Montreal, Canada
Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
On Jun 9, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Chris O'Regan wrote: The inode might change, but then again after the next recreation it could get the original inode back. But you could run idxview program and it'll show the cache file's file_seq which always increases: Here is the file sequence for the cache file that corresponds to the problematic mailbox: file_seq . = 1243426033 (2009-05-27 08:07:13) (13 compressions) So it looks like the cache file doesn't actually get deleted? Make a copy of the dovecot.index* files and delete the cache file. Perhaps the error goes away then? If that helps, I could then ask you to copypaste some of the idxview results from the copy so I could figure out why it wasn't really deleting the file. Or are you sure you're looking at the right index files, in the right mailbox? :)
Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
On Jun 9, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Chris O'Regan wrote: Corrupted index cache file /local/data/dovecot/indexes/mail/X/ /.imap/delivery.log/dovecot.index.cache: Broken MIME parts for mail UID 30880 DUH! Please ignore the Corrupted index cache file; the mailbox in question is a file named delivery.log (i.e. procmail log file) that is in the user's ~/mail directory. Of course there will be problems trying to index this file, it is not an mbox! *sigh* Hmm. It still seems like there's something Dovecot should do better here. I'll see what I can do about it with my procmail log file :) Okay, I think this rules out an indexing problem. But the main problem persists, why has IMP all of a sudden begun reading the entire contents of this user's mailbox each time it connects, and why has the started since upgrading to Dovecot? I've no idea without rawlogs.
Re: [Dovecot] IMP reading entire mailbox
--On Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:49 PM -0700 Timo Sirainen t...@iki.fi wrote: DUH! Please ignore the Corrupted index cache file; the mailbox in question is a file named delivery.log (i.e. procmail log file) that is in the user's ~/mail directory. Of course there will be problems trying to index this file, it is not an mbox! *sigh* Hmm. It still seems like there's something Dovecot should do better here. I'll see what I can do about it with my procmail log file :) How about a configuration option that's a regex or glob of files to ignore in the mail directories?
