Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
On Jun 2, 2010, at 4:42 AM, Anton Dollmaier wrote:
Hi,
has someone tried this or knows something similar ?
RoundCube in version 0.3 and later supports a plugin system and
provides actually two different Sieve-plugins, one out of the box,
the other one is available here:
http://www.tehinterweb.co.uk/roundcube/#pisieverules
This one (sieverules) is based off the out of the box (managesieve)
plugin and it is the one I chose for the added rules it can produce.
both work and provide a decent GUI with no need to write the sieve-
syntax directly like the thunderbird-extension.
An example sieve script created by the sieverules plugin shows it
can't be that bad writing one by hand.
## Generated by RoundCube Webmail SieveRules Plugin ##
require [fileinto];
# rule:[DSPAM]
if anyof (header :contains X-Dspam-Result Spam)
{
fileinto Spam;
stop;
}
// Brad
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
On Tuesday 01 June 2010 20:10:08 Phil Howard wrote: Looks like I will need to do a lot of reading on Sieve and ManageSieve to be sure it's safe. For one thing, I want to turn the vacation feature off unless it can cross check a list of valid senders (user contacts). No need to turn it off. It is not turned on, unless you put the directives for it in a script. Rainer
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
On Tuesday 01 June 2010 20:55:52 Phil Howard wrote: frank+lists/dove...@linetwo.net wrote: On 6/1/10 2:10 PM -0400 Phil Howard wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 13:42, e-frog e-f...@gmx.de wrote: This might be helpful: http://wiki.dovecot.org/ManageSieve/ Right now only time for a quick look. Looks like yet another server with yet another protocol (via port 4190), rather than integrated into IMAP as an extension. I'm doubting all my email clients have support for this. You're wrong on it being another server; it does work within IMAP. It is integrated into dovecot (once patched) and does not need to be managed as a separate daemon on the server. But it is a separate protocol on a different port (traditional default: 2000). In the mean time, I just need a short term solution to divert tagged-as-spam messages into the INBOX-spam (or something like that) folder. I'll probably just go ahead and write a shim program in C (as easy for me as a script is for others) to check for the tag and add the -m option to deliver as needed. This is absolutely unnecessary. Sieve can be used without letting the users manage their own scripts. There can be a system wide default script. Rainer
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
Em 01-06-2010 15:45, Frank Cusack escreveu: (...)you are right in that almost no clients support it. Mulberry and thunderbird are the only ones I know of. Are you talking about the extension on wich you have to write the sieve scripts by hand? That is a joke, hope someone creates a decent extension for that some day... -- Marcio Merlone
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
Am 02.06.2010 um 13:23 schrieb Marcio Merlone: Em 01-06-2010 15:45, Frank Cusack escreveu: (...)you are right in that almost no clients support it. Mulberry and thunderbird are the only ones I know of. Are you talking about the extension on wich you have to write the sieve scripts by hand? That is a joke, hope someone creates a decent extension for that some day... -- Marcio Merlone I have found this: http://smartsieve.sourceforge.net/ has someone tried this or knows something similar ?
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
Hi, has someone tried this or knows something similar ? RoundCube in version 0.3 and later supports a plugin system and provides actually two different Sieve-plugins, one out of the box, the other one is available here: http://www.tehinterweb.co.uk/roundcube/#pisieverules both work and provide a decent GUI with no need to write the sieve-syntax directly like the thunderbird-extension.
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Anton Dollmaier wrote: Hi, has someone tried this or knows something similar ? RoundCube in version 0.3 and later supports a plugin system and provides actually two different Sieve-plugins, one out of the box, the other one is available here: http://www.tehinterweb.co.uk/roundcube/#pisieverules both work and provide a decent GUI with no need to write the sieve-syntax directly like the thunderbird-extension. I have successfully installed avelsieve http://email.uoa.gr/avelsieve/ as addon to squirrelmail http://squirrelmail.org/ and I have an adapted websieve http://sourceforge.net/projects/websieve/files/ which was developed for Cyrus IMAP and had code that prevented working with dovecot. Both tools provide a web interface that does not require knowledge of the sieve syntax. The websieve version is however hacked in a way that it does work in a Kerberos environment only, i.e. no password dialog but Kerberos auth instead. It requires the perl modules Authen::Krb5, Mail::IMAPClient, Net::ManageSieve, Authen::SASL, Authen::SASL::Cyrus and MIME::Base64. It is not ready for public distribution, but I could make the present code available if someone is interested. -- Wolfgang Friebel Deutsches Elektronen-Synchrotron DESY Phone/Fax: +49 33762 77372/216Platanenallee 6 Mail: Wolfgang.Friebel AT desy.de D-15738 Zeuthen Germany
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Gerhard Waldemair wrote: Am 02.06.2010 um 13:23 schrieb Marcio Merlone: Em 01-06-2010 15:45, Frank Cusack escreveu: (...)you are right in that almost no clients support it. Mulberry and thunderbird are the only ones I know of. Are you talking about the extension on wich you have to write the sieve scripts by hand? That is a joke, hope someone creates a decent extension for that some day... -- Marcio Merlone I have found this: http://smartsieve.sourceforge.net/ has someone tried this or knows something similar ? Judging from the screenshots, it's pretty clearly a ripoff of Ingo from Horde, which I'm currently testing and am pretty happy with. http://www.horde.org/ingo/ Andy --- Andy Dills Xecunet, Inc. www.xecu.net 301-682-9972 ---
[Dovecot] Sieve GUI
Is there à GUI for sieve. I don't have installed Squrielmail, but won't like to manage the Rules per ssh
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 13:07, Gerhard Waldemair gerh...@waldemair.com wrote: Is there à GUI for sieve. I don't have installed Squrielmail, but won't like to manage the Rules per ssh I would hope there would be a way to put Sieve scripts in place via IMAP itself. Otherwise I won't be able to do that on my server (since there won't be system user accounts for mail users ... it's one system user virtual here).
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
On 6/1/10 10:24 AM, Phil Howard wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 13:07, Gerhard Waldemair gerh...@waldemair.com wrote: Is there à GUI for sieve. I don't have installed Squrielmail, but won't like to manage the Rules per ssh I would hope there would be a way to put Sieve scripts in place via IMAP itself. Otherwise I won't be able to do that on my server (since there won't be system user accounts for mail users ... it's one system user virtual here). One word: managesieve ~Seth
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
On 01/06/2010 18:07, Gerhard Waldemair wrote: Is there à GUI for sieve. I don't have installed Squrielmail, but won't like to manage the Rules per ssh I have never used it myself, but there would appear to be some useful things here: A thingy for Dovecot which should allow Sieve configurations to be managed remotely http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Sieve#ManageSieve_server An add-on for Thunderbird which appears to talk the required protocol https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/2548/ Bill
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
On 01.06.2010 19:24, wrote Phil Howard: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 13:07, Gerhard Waldemair gerh...@waldemair.com wrote: Is there à GUI for sieve. I don't have installed Squrielmail, but won't like to manage the Rules per ssh I would hope there would be a way to put Sieve scripts in place via IMAP itself. Otherwise I won't be able to do that on my server (since there won't be system user accounts for mail users ... it's one system user virtual here). This might be helpful: http://wiki.dovecot.org/ManageSieve/
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 13:42, e-frog e-f...@gmx.de wrote: This might be helpful: http://wiki.dovecot.org/ManageSieve/ Right now only time for a quick look. Looks like yet another server with yet another protocol (via port 4190), rather than integrated into IMAP as an extension. I'm doubting all my email clients have support for this. Looks like I will need to do a lot of reading on Sieve and ManageSieve to be sure it's safe. For one thing, I want to turn the vacation feature off unless it can cross check a list of valid senders (user contacts).
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
On 6/1/10 2:10 PM -0400 Phil Howard wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 13:42, e-frog e-f...@gmx.de wrote: This might be helpful: http://wiki.dovecot.org/ManageSieve/ Right now only time for a quick look. Looks like yet another server with yet another protocol (via port 4190), rather than integrated into IMAP as an extension. I'm doubting all my email clients have support for this. You're wrong on it being another server; it does work within IMAP. But you are right in that almost no clients support it. Mulberry and thunderbird are the only ones I know of. However, there are web clients that work and given that sieve scripts are rarely modified it probably isn't too hard to justify forcing your user to go to a web page; much more possible than forcing them to change mail readers. Looks like I will need to do a lot of reading on Sieve and ManageSieve to be sure it's safe. For one thing, I want to turn the vacation feature off unless it can cross check a list of valid senders (user contacts). Not possible. You'd have to implement your own customized support for that. -frank
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 14:45, Frank Cusack frank+lists/dove...@linetwo.net wrote: On 6/1/10 2:10 PM -0400 Phil Howard wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 13:42, e-frog e-f...@gmx.de wrote: This might be helpful: http://wiki.dovecot.org/ManageSieve/ Right now only time for a quick look. Looks like yet another server with yet another protocol (via port 4190), rather than integrated into IMAP as an extension. I'm doubting all my email clients have support for this. You're wrong on it being another server; it does work within IMAP. But you are right in that almost no clients support it. Mulberry and thunderbird are the only ones I know of. However, there are web clients that work and given that sieve scripts are rarely modified it probably isn't too hard to justify forcing your user to go to a web page; much more possible than forcing them to change mail readers. The RFC describes otherwise ... e.g. a new protocol, which would connect to a new daemon. An extension to an Email client can still connect over to port 4190 to do the ManageSieve thing. Doing that via a web site, which can also support a few canned scripts or script options, probably is a better route. But our internal web server is still on the to-do list, so that's gonna wait, here. In the mean time, I just need a short term solution to divert tagged-as-spam messages into the INBOX-spam (or something like that) folder. I'll probably just go ahead and write a shim program in C (as easy for me as a script is for others) to check for the tag and add the -m option to deliver as needed. Looks like I will need to do a lot of reading on Sieve and ManageSieve to be sure it's safe. For one thing, I want to turn the vacation feature off unless it can cross check a list of valid senders (user contacts). Not possible. You'd have to implement your own customized support for that. I guess for now I'll be leaving this out. I don't want to be a vacation backscatter source.
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
On 6/1/10 2:55 PM -0400 Phil Howard wrote: mean time, I just need a short term solution to divert tagged-as-spam messages into the INBOX-spam (or something like that) folder. I'll probably just go ahead and write a shim program in C (as easy for me as a script is for others) to check for the tag and add the -m option to deliver as needed. seems like it'd be much easier to have a sieve_before script. i imagine that's what most dovecot installations are doing. deliver -m is implemented via sieve anyway. -frank
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
On ti, 2010-06-01 at 12:02 -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: deliver -m is implemented via sieve anyway. No. You can use deliver -m without having Sieve installed at all.
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
On 6/1/10 8:10 PM +0100 Timo Sirainen wrote: On ti, 2010-06-01 at 12:02 -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: deliver -m is implemented via sieve anyway. No. You can use deliver -m without having Sieve installed at all. That's not how Stephan (?) explained the interaction of -m and sieve filters to me. But I guess I misunderstood.
Re: [Dovecot] Sieve GUI
On ti, 2010-06-01 at 12:22 -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: On 6/1/10 8:10 PM +0100 Timo Sirainen wrote: On ti, 2010-06-01 at 12:02 -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: deliver -m is implemented via sieve anyway. No. You can use deliver -m without having Sieve installed at all. That's not how Stephan (?) explained the interaction of -m and sieve filters to me. But I guess I misunderstood. Well, yeah, if you do have sieve enabled then it has some interaction with Sieve. But if you don't have sieve, it's implemented by deliver internally.
