Hidden virtual folder search Was: Support for MULTISEARCH
Well, the thread turned completely, still old subject
I have now created a virtual folder that /contains/ so to say, all the
messages, where I want to get results from.
The folder is hidden, unlisted and cannot be subscribed too. There are
just too many messages in there.
How can I get Thunderbird or maybe roundcube to use it for searching?
Would be very nice to learn that
Thank you in advance
Peter
Am 11.05.20 um 21:13 schrieb Daniel Miller:
What client(s) use this and how? I've used virtual folders - by
explicitly "subscribing" to them and then performing a search within
them. By hiding the virtual folders how do you use them?
> > >
> > > is this possible to *hide* the virtual folder from listing but make
it SELECTable / EXAMINEable from IMAP?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > namespace {
> > location = virtual:...
> > hidden = yes
> > }
> >
>
> It's now hidden in the namepsace but I can still see it in the folder
list, is this expected?
>
Sorry, forgot to say
hidden=yes
list=n
Re: Re[2]: [EXT] Re: Support for MULTISEARCH
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:14 AM Daniel Miller wrote:
> What client(s) use this and how? I've used virtual folders - by explicitly
> "subscribing" to them and then performing a search within them. By hiding
> the virtual folders how do you use them?
>
> ---
> Daniel
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Joe Wong"
> To: "Aki Tuomi"
> Cc: dovecot@dovecot.org; "Peter" ; "Sami Ketola" <
> sami.ket...@dovecot.fi>
> Sent: 5/11/2020 4:51:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: Support for MULTISEARCH
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 7:18 PM Aki Tuomi
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 11/05/2020 14:09 Joe Wong wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:16 PM Aki Tuomi
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 11/05/2020 12:12 Joe Wong wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 3:54 PM Sami Ketola
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 10. May 2020, at 1.51, Peter wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Am 10.05.20 um 00:22 schrieb Daniel Miller:
> > > > > >> Thank you - I'm aware of the virtual folder option and do use
> it. My interest is for a Windows client, EM Client, which I otherwise
> really enjoy. Unfortunately, they've implemented server-side searching only
> via MULTISEARCH - for reasons passing my understanding. So I was hoping to
> hear Dovecot either already had support or there were plans to implement
> it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Virtual folder does not scale. Thank you for naming a client
> that does multisearch!
> > > > >
> > > > > Virtual folder scales just fine. What makes you think it does not?
> > > > >
> > > > > We have customers that have users with thousand folders and
> millions of emails and still virtual folder scales.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sami
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > is this possible to *hide* the virtual folder from listing but make
> it SELECTable / EXAMINEable from IMAP?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > namespace {
> > > location = virtual:...
> > > hidden = yes
> > > }
> > >
> > > Aki
> >
> >
> > * NAMESPACE (("" "/")) NIL NIL
> > a OK Namespace completed (0.001 + 0.000 secs).
> > a list "" "*"* LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked) "/" FromL3
> > * LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked) "/" Apple
> > * LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked) "/" JunkMail
> > * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Marked \Trash) "/" Trash
> > * LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked \Drafts) "/" Drafts
> > * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Marked) "/" SENT
> > * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" virtual* LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" INBOX
> > a OK List completed (0.003 + 0.000 + 0.003 secs).
> >
> > It's now hidden in the namepsace but I can still see it in the folder
> list, is this expected?
> >
>
> Sorry, forgot to say
>
> hidden=yes
> list=no
>
> Aki
>
>
>
> thanks it is working now.
>
>
It is not a standard email client but a web client I am trying to make use
of this *hidden* virtual folder to perform a cross folder search :)
Re[2]: [EXT] Re: Support for MULTISEARCH
What client(s) use this and how? I've used virtual folders - by
explicitly "subscribing" to them and then performing a search within
them. By hiding the virtual folders how do you use them?
---
Daniel
-- Original Message --
From: "Joe Wong"
To: "Aki Tuomi"
Cc: dovecot@dovecot.org; "Peter" ; "Sami Ketola"
Sent: 5/11/2020 4:51:14 AM
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: Support for MULTISEARCH
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 7:18 PM Aki Tuomi
wrote:
> On 11/05/2020 14:09 Joe Wong wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:16 PM Aki Tuomi
wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/05/2020 12:12 Joe Wong wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 3:54 PM Sami Ketola
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 10. May 2020, at 1.51, Peter wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Am 10.05.20 um 00:22 schrieb Daniel Miller:
> > > > >> Thank you - I'm aware of the virtual folder option and do use
it. My interest is for a Windows client, EM Client, which I otherwise
really enjoy. Unfortunately, they've implemented server-side searching only
via MULTISEARCH - for reasons passing my understanding. So I was hoping to
hear Dovecot either already had support or there were plans to implement it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Virtual folder does not scale. Thank you for naming a client
that does multisearch!
> > > >
> > > > Virtual folder scales just fine. What makes you think it does not?
> > > >
> > > > We have customers that have users with thousand folders and
millions of emails and still virtual folder scales.
> > > >
> > > > Sami
> > > >
> > >
> > > is this possible to *hide* the virtual folder from listing but make
it SELECTable / EXAMINEable from IMAP?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > namespace {
> > location = virtual:...
> > hidden = yes
> > }
> >
> > Aki
>
>
> * NAMESPACE (("" "/")) NIL NIL
> a OK Namespace completed (0.001 + 0.000 secs).
> a list "" "*"* LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked) "/" FromL3
> * LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked) "/" Apple
> * LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked) "/" JunkMail
> * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Marked \Trash) "/" Trash
> * LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked \Drafts) "/" Drafts
> * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Marked) "/" SENT
> * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" virtual* LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" INBOX
> a OK List completed (0.003 + 0.000 + 0.003 secs).
>
> It's now hidden in the namepsace but I can still see it in the folder
list, is this expected?
>
Sorry, forgot to say
hidden=yes
list=no
Aki
thanks it is working now.
Re: [EXT] Re: Support for MULTISEARCH
> On 11/05/2020 14:09 Joe Wong wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:16 PM Aki Tuomi wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/05/2020 12:12 Joe Wong wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 3:54 PM Sami Ketola
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 10. May 2020, at 1.51, Peter wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Am 10.05.20 um 00:22 schrieb Daniel Miller:
> > > > >> Thank you - I'm aware of the virtual folder option and do use it.
> > My interest is for a Windows client, EM Client, which I otherwise really
> > enjoy. Unfortunately, they've implemented server-side searching only via
> > MULTISEARCH - for reasons passing my understanding. So I was hoping to hear
> > Dovecot either already had support or there were plans to implement it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Virtual folder does not scale. Thank you for naming a client that
> > does multisearch!
> > > >
> > > > Virtual folder scales just fine. What makes you think it does not?
> > > >
> > > > We have customers that have users with thousand folders and millions
> > of emails and still virtual folder scales.
> > > >
> > > > Sami
> > > >
> > >
> > > is this possible to *hide* the virtual folder from listing but make it
> > SELECTable / EXAMINEable from IMAP?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > namespace {
> > location = virtual:...
> > hidden = yes
> > }
> >
> > Aki
>
>
> * NAMESPACE (("" "/")) NIL NIL
> a OK Namespace completed (0.001 + 0.000 secs).
> a list "" "*"* LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked) "/" FromL3
> * LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked) "/" Apple
> * LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked) "/" JunkMail
> * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Marked \Trash) "/" Trash
> * LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked \Drafts) "/" Drafts
> * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Marked) "/" SENT
> * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" virtual* LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" INBOX
> a OK List completed (0.003 + 0.000 + 0.003 secs).
>
> It's now hidden in the namepsace but I can still see it in the folder list,
> is this expected?
>
Sorry, forgot to say
hidden=yes
list=no
Aki
Re: [EXT] Re: Support for MULTISEARCH
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 7:18 PM Aki Tuomi
wrote:
>
> > On 11/05/2020 14:09 Joe Wong wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:16 PM Aki Tuomi
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 11/05/2020 12:12 Joe Wong wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 3:54 PM Sami Ketola
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 10. May 2020, at 1.51, Peter wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Am 10.05.20 um 00:22 schrieb Daniel Miller:
> > > > > >> Thank you - I'm aware of the virtual folder option and do use
> it. My interest is for a Windows client, EM Client, which I otherwise
> really enjoy. Unfortunately, they've implemented server-side searching only
> via MULTISEARCH - for reasons passing my understanding. So I was hoping to
> hear Dovecot either already had support or there were plans to implement it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Virtual folder does not scale. Thank you for naming a client
> that does multisearch!
> > > > >
> > > > > Virtual folder scales just fine. What makes you think it does not?
> > > > >
> > > > > We have customers that have users with thousand folders and
> millions of emails and still virtual folder scales.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sami
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > is this possible to *hide* the virtual folder from listing but make
> it SELECTable / EXAMINEable from IMAP?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > namespace {
> > > location = virtual:...
> > > hidden = yes
> > > }
> > >
> > > Aki
> >
> >
> > * NAMESPACE (("" "/")) NIL NIL
> > a OK Namespace completed (0.001 + 0.000 secs).
> > a list "" "*"* LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked) "/" FromL3
> > * LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked) "/" Apple
> > * LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked) "/" JunkMail
> > * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Marked \Trash) "/" Trash
> > * LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked \Drafts) "/" Drafts
> > * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Marked) "/" SENT
> > * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" virtual* LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" INBOX
> > a OK List completed (0.003 + 0.000 + 0.003 secs).
> >
> > It's now hidden in the namepsace but I can still see it in the folder
> list, is this expected?
> >
>
> Sorry, forgot to say
>
> hidden=yes
> list=no
>
> Aki
>
thanks it is working now.
Re: Support for MULTISEARCH
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:16 PM Aki Tuomi
wrote:
>
> > On 11/05/2020 12:12 Joe Wong wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 3:54 PM Sami Ketola
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 10. May 2020, at 1.51, Peter wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Am 10.05.20 um 00:22 schrieb Daniel Miller:
> > > >> Thank you - I'm aware of the virtual folder option and do use it.
> My interest is for a Windows client, EM Client, which I otherwise really
> enjoy. Unfortunately, they've implemented server-side searching only via
> MULTISEARCH - for reasons passing my understanding. So I was hoping to hear
> Dovecot either already had support or there were plans to implement it.
> > > >
> > > > Virtual folder does not scale. Thank you for naming a client that
> does multisearch!
> > >
> > > Virtual folder scales just fine. What makes you think it does not?
> > >
> > > We have customers that have users with thousand folders and millions
> of emails and still virtual folder scales.
> > >
> > > Sami
> > >
> >
> > is this possible to *hide* the virtual folder from listing but make it
> SELECTable / EXAMINEable from IMAP?
> >
> >
>
> namespace {
> location = virtual:...
> hidden = yes
> }
>
> Aki
>
* NAMESPACE (("" "/")) NIL NIL
a OK Namespace completed (0.001 + 0.000 secs).
*a list "" "*"** LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked) "/" FromL3
* LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked) "/" Apple
* LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked) "/" JunkMail
* LIST (\HasNoChildren \Marked \Trash) "/" Trash
* LIST (\HasNoChildren \UnMarked \Drafts) "/" Drafts
* LIST (\HasNoChildren \Marked) "/" SENT
** LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" virtual** LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" INBOX
a OK List completed (0.003 + 0.000 + 0.003 secs).
It's now hidden in the namepsace but I can still see it in the folder list,
is this expected?
Re: [EXT] Support for MULTISEARCH
> On 10. May 2020, at 11.22, Peter wrote: > > Am 10.05.20 um 09:54 schrieb Sami Ketola: >>> On 10. May 2020, at 1.51, Peter wrote: >>> Am 10.05.20 um 00:22 schrieb Daniel Miller: Thank you - I'm aware of the virtual folder option and do use it. My interest is for a Windows client, EM Client, which I otherwise really enjoy. Unfortunately, they've implemented server-side searching only via MULTISEARCH - for reasons passing my understanding. So I was hoping to hear Dovecot either already had support or there were plans to implement it. >>> >>> Virtual folder does not scale. Thank you for naming a client that does >>> multisearch! >> Virtual folder scales just fine. What makes you think it does not? >> We have customers that have users with thousand folders and millions of >> emails and still virtual folder scales. > > Hello Sami, I was thinking, that the client then will be overwhelmed with a > mailbox of such a size? > > Or does the folder start empty and only gets populated upon search with the > resulting mails? virtual folder with contents of all actual folders is usually hidden from imap clients and is used only for searching. Sami
Re: Support for MULTISEARCH
> On 11/05/2020 12:12 Joe Wong wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 3:54 PM Sami Ketola wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On 10. May 2020, at 1.51, Peter wrote:
> > >
> > > Am 10.05.20 um 00:22 schrieb Daniel Miller:
> > >> Thank you - I'm aware of the virtual folder option and do use it. My
> > interest is for a Windows client, EM Client, which I otherwise really
> > enjoy. Unfortunately, they've implemented server-side searching only via
> > MULTISEARCH - for reasons passing my understanding. So I was hoping to hear
> > Dovecot either already had support or there were plans to implement it.
> > >
> > > Virtual folder does not scale. Thank you for naming a client that does
> > multisearch!
> >
> > Virtual folder scales just fine. What makes you think it does not?
> >
> > We have customers that have users with thousand folders and millions of
> > emails and still virtual folder scales.
> >
> > Sami
> >
>
> is this possible to *hide* the virtual folder from listing but make it
> SELECTable / EXAMINEable from IMAP?
>
>
namespace {
location = virtual:...
hidden = yes
}
Aki
Re: Support for MULTISEARCH
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 3:54 PM Sami Ketola wrote: > > > > On 10. May 2020, at 1.51, Peter wrote: > > > > Am 10.05.20 um 00:22 schrieb Daniel Miller: > >> Thank you - I'm aware of the virtual folder option and do use it. My > interest is for a Windows client, EM Client, which I otherwise really > enjoy. Unfortunately, they've implemented server-side searching only via > MULTISEARCH - for reasons passing my understanding. So I was hoping to hear > Dovecot either already had support or there were plans to implement it. > > > > Virtual folder does not scale. Thank you for naming a client that does > multisearch! > > Virtual folder scales just fine. What makes you think it does not? > > We have customers that have users with thousand folders and millions of > emails and still virtual folder scales. > > Sami > > is this possible to *hide* the virtual folder from listing but make it SELECTable / EXAMINEable from IMAP?
Re: Support for MULTISEARCH
> On 10. May 2020, at 1.51, Peter wrote: > > Am 10.05.20 um 00:22 schrieb Daniel Miller: >> Thank you - I'm aware of the virtual folder option and do use it. My >> interest is for a Windows client, EM Client, which I otherwise really enjoy. >> Unfortunately, they've implemented server-side searching only via >> MULTISEARCH - for reasons passing my understanding. So I was hoping to hear >> Dovecot either already had support or there were plans to implement it. > > Virtual folder does not scale. Thank you for naming a client that does > multisearch! Virtual folder scales just fine. What makes you think it does not? We have customers that have users with thousand folders and millions of emails and still virtual folder scales. Sami
Re: Support for MULTISEARCH
Am 10.05.20 um 00:22 schrieb Daniel Miller: Thank you - I'm aware of the virtual folder option and do use it. My interest is for a Windows client, EM Client, which I otherwise really enjoy. Unfortunately, they've implemented server-side searching only via MULTISEARCH - for reasons passing my understanding. So I was hoping to hear Dovecot either already had support or there were plans to implement it. Virtual folder does not scale. Thank you for naming a client that does multisearch! Peter On 6.5.2020 3.57, Daniel Miller wrote: Does Dovecot presently support the MULTISEARCH command, or are there plans to do so? If you mean RFC7377, that is not supported. ref. https://www.imapwiki.org/Specs I would suggest evaluating if searching a single virtual folder could work for your use case. ref. https://doc.dovecot.org/configuration_manual/virtual_plugin/ br, Teemu
Re[2]: Support for MULTISEARCH
Thank you - I'm aware of the virtual folder option and do use it. My interest is for a Windows client, EM Client, which I otherwise really enjoy. Unfortunately, they've implemented server-side searching only via MULTISEARCH - for reasons passing my understanding. So I was hoping to hear Dovecot either already had support or there were plans to implement it. --- Daniel -- Original Message -- From: "Teemu Huovila" To: dovecot@dovecot.org Sent: 5/8/2020 5:49:34 AM Subject: Re: Support for MULTISEARCH On 6.5.2020 3.57, Daniel Miller wrote: Does Dovecot presently support the MULTISEARCH command, or are there plans to do so? If you mean RFC7377, that is not supported. ref. https://www.imapwiki.org/Specs I would suggest evaluating if searching a single virtual folder could work for your use case. ref. https://doc.dovecot.org/configuration_manual/virtual_plugin/ br, Teemu --- Daniel
Re: Support for MULTISEARCH
On 6.5.2020 3.57, Daniel Miller wrote: Does Dovecot presently support the MULTISEARCH command, or are there plans to do so? If you mean RFC7377, that is not supported. ref. https://www.imapwiki.org/Specs I would suggest evaluating if searching a single virtual folder could work for your use case. ref. https://doc.dovecot.org/configuration_manual/virtual_plugin/ br, Teemu --- Daniel
Support for MULTISEARCH
Does Dovecot presently support the MULTISEARCH command, or are there plans to do so? --- Daniel
