Re: X.org EVoC Ideas

[Rahul Jain]

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 10:58 PM, Emil Velikov 
wrote:

> On 18 April 2017 at 20:38, Daniel Vetter  wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 02:27:14PM -0400, Rob Clark wrote:
> >> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Emil Velikov 
> wrote:
> >> > On 18 April 2017 at 16:48, Rob Clark  wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Raghav Jajodia
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >>> Hi there
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I am Raghav Jajodia, an Engineering student from India. While going
> through
> >> >>> the X.org foundation, I felt that X.org is a great community for
> new Open
> >> >>> Source developers. I am deeply interested in being a part of the
> community.
> >> >>> Although, while going through the GSoC and EVoC Ideas, I found that
> all the
> >> >>> ideas revolve around C, C++, QT or Compilers.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Working extensively on Web, Moile and Desktop applications, I have
> gained
> >> >>> good experience with Python, JS, PHP, Ruby etc. But I do not have
> any
> >> >>> experience with C/C++.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So, is not possible for a student to participate in EVoC if he
> doesn't have
> >> >>> any experience with Open source softwares built on C/C++. Are there
> any
> >> >>> project ideas using languages apart from C/C++ that a student can
> work on
> >> >>> for EVoC 17/18?
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi, the only requirement regarding programming languages is that
> >> >> "Applicants know their target programming language."..  there isn't
> >> >> any requirement otherwise, but I think the fast majority are largely
> >> >> C/C++.  There are bits of python here and there (piglit, for
> example..
> >> >> possibly others that I don't know of).
> >> >>
> >> >> From a quick look all of the suggested projects involve C and/or C++.
> >> >> But that doesn't mean a candidate couldn't suggest a different
> project
> >> >> that is not on the list.
> >> >>
> >> > FWIW the python in piglit is fine, while the one in Mesa is in a dire
> shape.
> >>
> >> I didn't realize there where TODO's for py involved in mesa build..
> >> maybe we should add some to the SummerOfCodeIdeas wiki page[1]
> >>
> >> /me would add convert nir_intrinsic.h + multiple #includes to .py
> >> generating .c and .h if there was such a topic..  maybe not enough for
> >> a EVoC/GSoC project on it's own but perhaps if combined w/ some other
> >> work needed on mesa's python..
> >>
> >> BR,
> >> -R
> >>
> >> [1] https://www.x.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas/
> >
> > Or just add a link to the TODO in the codebase here? That's essentially
> > what we're doing for the kernel, at least for the cleanup/refactor tasks.
>
> Codebase has 700+ TODO snippets, although most of the TODO files are
> unmaintained.
> The freedreno and nouveau Trello boards are in good shape, but those
> are C/C++ only.
>
> Some python ideas:
> mapi/glapi:
>  - consolidate where applicable (there's 25 scripts) and use the
> Khronos XML files.
>
> anv/radv:
>  - the entrypoint generators share ~90% (before the former was
> rewritten) that can be factored and reused
>
> glsl/glcpp:
>  - rewrite completely - currently a python generator creates a shell
> scripts which executes another python script
>
> generic:
>  - use mako
>  - make the scripts compatible with python 2 and 3
>  - add generic function/class to manage input and output files in
> consistent manner
>  - move and reuse src/mapi/glapi/gen/license.py to generate the license
> blorb
>
> Sadly my python skills are quite limited so I won't be a good mentor
> for either of these :-\
>
> Hi Emil,
I am following this mailing list from months, but this thread looks could
suit me :)
I am interested in pythonic tasks.
May be if you can elaborate them or can link me to some document i could
start working on them one by one :)

-Emil
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Re: X.org EVoC Ideas

[Raghav Jajodia]

Hi everyone,

Sorry for the late reply. My university exams are in progress and will keep
me busy till 27th April.
First of all, I would like to clear the air a little bit; I do have a
knowledge of C/C++ but the knowledge and understanding is only limited to
pursuing undergraduate level Computer science courses and solving Data
structures and Algorithmic problems. On going through the codebase of
software built on C++, I have realized that software development in C++
demands more knowledge such as QT.

Also, It feels great to see ideas on Python is coming up for students to
work on. As per the advice given in previous conversation, I feel learning
C++ development would be worth it (But it would take time).

Thanks

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 10:58 PM, Emil Velikov 
wrote:

> On 18 April 2017 at 20:38, Daniel Vetter  wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 02:27:14PM -0400, Rob Clark wrote:
> >> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Emil Velikov 
> wrote:
> >> > On 18 April 2017 at 16:48, Rob Clark  wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Raghav Jajodia
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >>> Hi there
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I am Raghav Jajodia, an Engineering student from India. While going
> through
> >> >>> the X.org foundation, I felt that X.org is a great community for
> new Open
> >> >>> Source developers. I am deeply interested in being a part of the
> community.
> >> >>> Although, while going through the GSoC and EVoC Ideas, I found that
> all the
> >> >>> ideas revolve around C, C++, QT or Compilers.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Working extensively on Web, Moile and Desktop applications, I have
> gained
> >> >>> good experience with Python, JS, PHP, Ruby etc. But I do not have
> any
> >> >>> experience with C/C++.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So, is not possible for a student to participate in EVoC if he
> doesn't have
> >> >>> any experience with Open source softwares built on C/C++. Are there
> any
> >> >>> project ideas using languages apart from C/C++ that a student can
> work on
> >> >>> for EVoC 17/18?
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi, the only requirement regarding programming languages is that
> >> >> "Applicants know their target programming language."..  there isn't
> >> >> any requirement otherwise, but I think the fast majority are largely
> >> >> C/C++.  There are bits of python here and there (piglit, for
> example..
> >> >> possibly others that I don't know of).
> >> >>
> >> >> From a quick look all of the suggested projects involve C and/or C++.
> >> >> But that doesn't mean a candidate couldn't suggest a different
> project
> >> >> that is not on the list.
> >> >>
> >> > FWIW the python in piglit is fine, while the one in Mesa is in a dire
> shape.
> >>
> >> I didn't realize there where TODO's for py involved in mesa build..
> >> maybe we should add some to the SummerOfCodeIdeas wiki page[1]
> >>
> >> /me would add convert nir_intrinsic.h + multiple #includes to .py
> >> generating .c and .h if there was such a topic..  maybe not enough for
> >> a EVoC/GSoC project on it's own but perhaps if combined w/ some other
> >> work needed on mesa's python..
> >>
> >> BR,
> >> -R
> >>
> >> [1] https://www.x.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas/
> >
> > Or just add a link to the TODO in the codebase here? That's essentially
> > what we're doing for the kernel, at least for the cleanup/refactor tasks.
>
> Codebase has 700+ TODO snippets, although most of the TODO files are
> unmaintained.
> The freedreno and nouveau Trello boards are in good shape, but those
> are C/C++ only.
>
> Some python ideas:
> mapi/glapi:
>  - consolidate where applicable (there's 25 scripts) and use the
> Khronos XML files.
>
> anv/radv:
>  - the entrypoint generators share ~90% (before the former was
> rewritten) that can be factored and reused
>
> glsl/glcpp:
>  - rewrite completely - currently a python generator creates a shell
> scripts which executes another python script
>
> generic:
>  - use mako
>  - make the scripts compatible with python 2 and 3
>  - add generic function/class to manage input and output files in
> consistent manner
>  - move and reuse src/mapi/glapi/gen/license.py to generate the license
> blorb
>
> Sadly my python skills are quite limited so I won't be a good mentor
> for either of these :-\
>
> -Emil
>
> [1] https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/tasks/
>



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Re: X.org EVoC Ideas

[Emil Velikov]

On 18 April 2017 at 20:38, Daniel Vetter  wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 02:27:14PM -0400, Rob Clark wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Emil Velikov  
>> wrote:
>> > On 18 April 2017 at 16:48, Rob Clark  wrote:
>> >> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Raghav Jajodia
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>> Hi there
>> >>>
>> >>> I am Raghav Jajodia, an Engineering student from India. While going 
>> >>> through
>> >>> the X.org foundation, I felt that X.org is a great community for new Open
>> >>> Source developers. I am deeply interested in being a part of the 
>> >>> community.
>> >>> Although, while going through the GSoC and EVoC Ideas, I found that all 
>> >>> the
>> >>> ideas revolve around C, C++, QT or Compilers.
>> >>>
>> >>> Working extensively on Web, Moile and Desktop applications, I have gained
>> >>> good experience with Python, JS, PHP, Ruby etc. But I do not have any
>> >>> experience with C/C++.
>> >>>
>> >>> So, is not possible for a student to participate in EVoC if he doesn't 
>> >>> have
>> >>> any experience with Open source softwares built on C/C++. Are there any
>> >>> project ideas using languages apart from C/C++ that a student can work on
>> >>> for EVoC 17/18?
>> >>
>> >> Hi, the only requirement regarding programming languages is that
>> >> "Applicants know their target programming language."..  there isn't
>> >> any requirement otherwise, but I think the fast majority are largely
>> >> C/C++.  There are bits of python here and there (piglit, for example..
>> >> possibly others that I don't know of).
>> >>
>> >> From a quick look all of the suggested projects involve C and/or C++.
>> >> But that doesn't mean a candidate couldn't suggest a different project
>> >> that is not on the list.
>> >>
>> > FWIW the python in piglit is fine, while the one in Mesa is in a dire 
>> > shape.
>>
>> I didn't realize there where TODO's for py involved in mesa build..
>> maybe we should add some to the SummerOfCodeIdeas wiki page[1]
>>
>> /me would add convert nir_intrinsic.h + multiple #includes to .py
>> generating .c and .h if there was such a topic..  maybe not enough for
>> a EVoC/GSoC project on it's own but perhaps if combined w/ some other
>> work needed on mesa's python..
>>
>> BR,
>> -R
>>
>> [1] https://www.x.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas/
>
> Or just add a link to the TODO in the codebase here? That's essentially
> what we're doing for the kernel, at least for the cleanup/refactor tasks.

Codebase has 700+ TODO snippets, although most of the TODO files are
unmaintained.
The freedreno and nouveau Trello boards are in good shape, but those
are C/C++ only.

Some python ideas:
mapi/glapi:
 - consolidate where applicable (there's 25 scripts) and use the
Khronos XML files.

anv/radv:
 - the entrypoint generators share ~90% (before the former was
rewritten) that can be factored and reused

glsl/glcpp:
 - rewrite completely - currently a python generator creates a shell
scripts which executes another python script

generic:
 - use mako
 - make the scripts compatible with python 2 and 3
 - add generic function/class to manage input and output files in
consistent manner
 - move and reuse src/mapi/glapi/gen/license.py to generate the license blorb

Sadly my python skills are quite limited so I won't be a good mentor
for either of these :-\

-Emil

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Re: X.org EVoC Ideas

[Nicolai Hähnle]

On 18.04.2017 17:48, Rob Clark wrote:

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Raghav Jajodia
 wrote:

Hi there

I am Raghav Jajodia, an Engineering student from India. While going through
the X.org foundation, I felt that X.org is a great community for new Open
Source developers. I am deeply interested in being a part of the community.
Although, while going through the GSoC and EVoC Ideas, I found that all the
ideas revolve around C, C++, QT or Compilers.

Working extensively on Web, Moile and Desktop applications, I have gained
good experience with Python, JS, PHP, Ruby etc. But I do not have any
experience with C/C++.

So, is not possible for a student to participate in EVoC if he doesn't have
any experience with Open source softwares built on C/C++. Are there any
project ideas using languages apart from C/C++ that a student can work on
for EVoC 17/18?


Hi, the only requirement regarding programming languages is that
"Applicants know their target programming language."..  there isn't
any requirement otherwise, but I think the fast majority are largely
C/C++.  There are bits of python here and there (piglit, for example..
possibly others that I don't know of).

From a quick look all of the suggested projects involve C and/or C++.
But that doesn't mean a candidate couldn't suggest a different project
that is not on the list.


The DriConf "replacement" project is biased towards Python, since 
current DriConf is written in Python ;-)


Cheers,
Nicolai



BR,
-R
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Re: X.org EVoC Ideas

[Dylan Baker]

Quoting Rob Clark (2017-04-18 11:27:14)
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Emil Velikov  
> wrote:
> > On 18 April 2017 at 16:48, Rob Clark  wrote:
> >> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Raghav Jajodia
> >>  wrote:
> >>> Hi there
> >>>
> >>> I am Raghav Jajodia, an Engineering student from India. While going 
> >>> through
> >>> the X.org foundation, I felt that X.org is a great community for new Open
> >>> Source developers. I am deeply interested in being a part of the 
> >>> community.
> >>> Although, while going through the GSoC and EVoC Ideas, I found that all 
> >>> the
> >>> ideas revolve around C, C++, QT or Compilers.
> >>>
> >>> Working extensively on Web, Moile and Desktop applications, I have gained
> >>> good experience with Python, JS, PHP, Ruby etc. But I do not have any
> >>> experience with C/C++.
> >>>
> >>> So, is not possible for a student to participate in EVoC if he doesn't 
> >>> have
> >>> any experience with Open source softwares built on C/C++. Are there any
> >>> project ideas using languages apart from C/C++ that a student can work on
> >>> for EVoC 17/18?
> >>
> >> Hi, the only requirement regarding programming languages is that
> >> "Applicants know their target programming language."..  there isn't
> >> any requirement otherwise, but I think the fast majority are largely
> >> C/C++.  There are bits of python here and there (piglit, for example..
> >> possibly others that I don't know of).
> >>
> >> From a quick look all of the suggested projects involve C and/or C++.
> >> But that doesn't mean a candidate couldn't suggest a different project
> >> that is not on the list.
> >>
> > FWIW the python in piglit is fine, while the one in Mesa is in a dire shape.

I tend to agree, the only thing that might be useful (and I'd want to see a
proposal of what and how because it would need to be really good) is to overhaul
the piglit summary html tool to be not so awful. Someone with a good grasp of
javascript could probably make that webpage not a 25mb monstrosity that actually
loaded in a reasonable amount of time.

> 
> I didn't realize there where TODO's for py involved in mesa build..
> maybe we should add some to the SummerOfCodeIdeas wiki page[1]
> 
> /me would add convert nir_intrinsic.h + multiple #includes to .py
> generating .c and .h if there was such a topic..  maybe not enough for
> a EVoC/GSoC project on it's own but perhaps if combined w/ some other
> work needed on mesa's python..

The only large one I'm aware is to convert the mapi/glapi generators to use the
khronos XML and not the handwritten XML we use currently. It's been on my radar,
but I haven't really gotten started on it. Presumably sub-requirements of that
would be to use mako instead of `print`s and to be at least close to python3
ready (i.e., a complete rewrite). There's also what has been described as a
fairly simple C project to rip out a level of abstraction in that subsystem.

There's also a bunch of smaller projects to convert the other generators to be
python2/3 hybrid ready (since python 2 is *finally* starting to get the boot in
distros), and to use mako (where applicable). Some of these are really awful,
some of them are pretty good.

Dylan

> 
> BR,
> -R
> 
> [1] https://www.x.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas/
> 
> 
> > That said, I believe Rob summarised it perfectly:
> > Take a look around and feel free to propose something if the ones
> > listed do not interest you.
> >
> > Regards,
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Re: X.org EVoC Ideas

[Daniel Vetter]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 02:27:14PM -0400, Rob Clark wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Emil Velikov  
> wrote:
> > On 18 April 2017 at 16:48, Rob Clark  wrote:
> >> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Raghav Jajodia
> >>  wrote:
> >>> Hi there
> >>>
> >>> I am Raghav Jajodia, an Engineering student from India. While going 
> >>> through
> >>> the X.org foundation, I felt that X.org is a great community for new Open
> >>> Source developers. I am deeply interested in being a part of the 
> >>> community.
> >>> Although, while going through the GSoC and EVoC Ideas, I found that all 
> >>> the
> >>> ideas revolve around C, C++, QT or Compilers.
> >>>
> >>> Working extensively on Web, Moile and Desktop applications, I have gained
> >>> good experience with Python, JS, PHP, Ruby etc. But I do not have any
> >>> experience with C/C++.
> >>>
> >>> So, is not possible for a student to participate in EVoC if he doesn't 
> >>> have
> >>> any experience with Open source softwares built on C/C++. Are there any
> >>> project ideas using languages apart from C/C++ that a student can work on
> >>> for EVoC 17/18?
> >>
> >> Hi, the only requirement regarding programming languages is that
> >> "Applicants know their target programming language."..  there isn't
> >> any requirement otherwise, but I think the fast majority are largely
> >> C/C++.  There are bits of python here and there (piglit, for example..
> >> possibly others that I don't know of).
> >>
> >> From a quick look all of the suggested projects involve C and/or C++.
> >> But that doesn't mean a candidate couldn't suggest a different project
> >> that is not on the list.
> >>
> > FWIW the python in piglit is fine, while the one in Mesa is in a dire shape.
> 
> I didn't realize there where TODO's for py involved in mesa build..
> maybe we should add some to the SummerOfCodeIdeas wiki page[1]
> 
> /me would add convert nir_intrinsic.h + multiple #includes to .py
> generating .c and .h if there was such a topic..  maybe not enough for
> a EVoC/GSoC project on it's own but perhaps if combined w/ some other
> work needed on mesa's python..
> 
> BR,
> -R
> 
> [1] https://www.x.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas/

Or just add a link to the TODO in the codebase here? That's essentially
what we're doing for the kernel, at least for the cleanup/refactor tasks.
-Daniel

> 
> 
> > That said, I believe Rob summarised it perfectly:
> > Take a look around and feel free to propose something if the ones
> > listed do not interest you.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Emil
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Re: X.org EVoC Ideas

[Rob Clark]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Emil Velikov  wrote:
> On 18 April 2017 at 16:48, Rob Clark  wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Raghav Jajodia
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi there
>>>
>>> I am Raghav Jajodia, an Engineering student from India. While going through
>>> the X.org foundation, I felt that X.org is a great community for new Open
>>> Source developers. I am deeply interested in being a part of the community.
>>> Although, while going through the GSoC and EVoC Ideas, I found that all the
>>> ideas revolve around C, C++, QT or Compilers.
>>>
>>> Working extensively on Web, Moile and Desktop applications, I have gained
>>> good experience with Python, JS, PHP, Ruby etc. But I do not have any
>>> experience with C/C++.
>>>
>>> So, is not possible for a student to participate in EVoC if he doesn't have
>>> any experience with Open source softwares built on C/C++. Are there any
>>> project ideas using languages apart from C/C++ that a student can work on
>>> for EVoC 17/18?
>>
>> Hi, the only requirement regarding programming languages is that
>> "Applicants know their target programming language."..  there isn't
>> any requirement otherwise, but I think the fast majority are largely
>> C/C++.  There are bits of python here and there (piglit, for example..
>> possibly others that I don't know of).
>>
>> From a quick look all of the suggested projects involve C and/or C++.
>> But that doesn't mean a candidate couldn't suggest a different project
>> that is not on the list.
>>
> FWIW the python in piglit is fine, while the one in Mesa is in a dire shape.

I didn't realize there where TODO's for py involved in mesa build..
maybe we should add some to the SummerOfCodeIdeas wiki page[1]

/me would add convert nir_intrinsic.h + multiple #includes to .py
generating .c and .h if there was such a topic..  maybe not enough for
a EVoC/GSoC project on it's own but perhaps if combined w/ some other
work needed on mesa's python..

BR,
-R

[1] https://www.x.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas/


> That said, I believe Rob summarised it perfectly:
> Take a look around and feel free to propose something if the ones
> listed do not interest you.
>
> Regards,
> Emil
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Re: X.org EVoC Ideas

[Emil Velikov]

On 18 April 2017 at 16:48, Rob Clark  wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Raghav Jajodia
>  wrote:
>> Hi there
>>
>> I am Raghav Jajodia, an Engineering student from India. While going through
>> the X.org foundation, I felt that X.org is a great community for new Open
>> Source developers. I am deeply interested in being a part of the community.
>> Although, while going through the GSoC and EVoC Ideas, I found that all the
>> ideas revolve around C, C++, QT or Compilers.
>>
>> Working extensively on Web, Moile and Desktop applications, I have gained
>> good experience with Python, JS, PHP, Ruby etc. But I do not have any
>> experience with C/C++.
>>
>> So, is not possible for a student to participate in EVoC if he doesn't have
>> any experience with Open source softwares built on C/C++. Are there any
>> project ideas using languages apart from C/C++ that a student can work on
>> for EVoC 17/18?
>
> Hi, the only requirement regarding programming languages is that
> "Applicants know their target programming language."..  there isn't
> any requirement otherwise, but I think the fast majority are largely
> C/C++.  There are bits of python here and there (piglit, for example..
> possibly others that I don't know of).
>
> From a quick look all of the suggested projects involve C and/or C++.
> But that doesn't mean a candidate couldn't suggest a different project
> that is not on the list.
>
FWIW the python in piglit is fine, while the one in Mesa is in a dire shape.

That said, I believe Rob summarised it perfectly:
Take a look around and feel free to propose something if the ones
listed do not interest you.

Regards,
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Re: X.org EVoC Ideas

[Rob Clark]

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Raghav Jajodia
 wrote:
> Hi there
>
> I am Raghav Jajodia, an Engineering student from India. While going through
> the X.org foundation, I felt that X.org is a great community for new Open
> Source developers. I am deeply interested in being a part of the community.
> Although, while going through the GSoC and EVoC Ideas, I found that all the
> ideas revolve around C, C++, QT or Compilers.
>
> Working extensively on Web, Moile and Desktop applications, I have gained
> good experience with Python, JS, PHP, Ruby etc. But I do not have any
> experience with C/C++.
>
> So, is not possible for a student to participate in EVoC if he doesn't have
> any experience with Open source softwares built on C/C++. Are there any
> project ideas using languages apart from C/C++ that a student can work on
> for EVoC 17/18?

Hi, the only requirement regarding programming languages is that
"Applicants know their target programming language."..  there isn't
any requirement otherwise, but I think the fast majority are largely
C/C++.  There are bits of python here and there (piglit, for example..
possibly others that I don't know of).

From a quick look all of the suggested projects involve C and/or C++.
But that doesn't mean a candidate couldn't suggest a different project
that is not on the list.

BR,
-R
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X.org EVoC Ideas

[Raghav Jajodia]

Hi there

I am Raghav Jajodia, an Engineering student from India. While going through
the X.org foundation, I felt that X.org is a great community for new Open
Source developers. I am deeply interested in being a part of the community.
Although, while going through the GSoC and EVoC Ideas, I found that all the
ideas revolve around C, C++, QT or Compilers.

Working extensively on Web, Moile and Desktop applications, I have gained
good experience with Python, JS, PHP, Ruby etc. But I do not have any
experience with C/C++.

So, is not possible for a student to participate in EVoC if he doesn't have
any experience with Open source softwares built on C/C++. Are there any
project ideas using languages apart from C/C++ that a student can work on
for EVoC 17/18?

Thanks
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