Re: Auto-discovery of 3D applications
One more show-stopper for auto-discovery of OpenGL apps is the fact that some applications load libGL dynamically at run-time. I haven't got any feedback to my GL application survey, but at the moment I see a built-in database (does lookup-table sound less scary?) of known GL applications as the only realistic solution. I will have to rely on user-feedback for new entries. I'm hoping that the existance of an application menu with a lack of entries will provide sufficient incentive. Regards, Felix Am Sonntag, den 29.01.2006, 19:35 -0800 schrieb Donnie Berkholz: Felix Kühling wrote: Yeah, but these are exactly the hard cases that are most confusing to users and that I'm trying to solve. Also some executables don't have very descriptive names, like fgfs for FlightGear. It's also impossible to sort auto-detected applications into meaningful categories. Maybe parsing of the menus of the desktop environment would be feasible instead? http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fmenu_2dspec defines a distro-neutral standard for such menus. On my Debian box the Gnome menus aren't too helpful in terms of completeness and categorization of applications. But the Debian menu would come pretty close. Do other distributions have something equivalent? I agree on some of your points, but maintaining a database of all 3D applications in existence will probably be a ton of work, won't scale well, and will always be missing stuff, so any alternative would be welcome. As far as the menus go, Gentoo just uses whatever upstream installs. Donnie -- | Felix Kühling [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fxk.de.vu | | PGP Fingerprint: 6A3C 9566 5B30 DDED 73C3 B152 151C 5CC1 D888 E595 | --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: Auto-discovery of 3D applications
Felix Kühling schrieb: One more show-stopper for auto-discovery of OpenGL apps is the fact that some applications load libGL dynamically at run-time. I haven't got any feedback to my GL application survey, but at the moment I see a built-in database (does lookup-table sound less scary?) of known GL applications as the only realistic solution. I will have to rely on user-feedback for new entries. I'm hoping that the existance of an application menu with a lack of entries will provide sufficient incentive. What do you want? -A list of common OpenGL applications or -A list of OpenGL applications which often need tweaking through driconf ? The only application I often use that didn't work well with default settings was wings3d on a Radeon 9000 Pro before Roland's point size patch. It was unuseable due to too small point sizes; I had to use indirect rendering. But now it works well without any tweaking, so I didn't send you any feedback. Philipp --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: Auto-discovery of 3D applications (was: 3D application survey for DRIconf)
Am Sonntag, den 29.01.2006, 14:00 -0800 schrieb Donnie Berkholz: Felix Kühling wrote: for the next version of DRIconf I'm working on a database of known applications that can be selected from a menu. This way users won't need to go through the confusion of finding out the correct executable name any more. However, the range of applications and games I'm using myself is rather limited, so I am conducting this survey. Please send me the names and correct executable names of your favourite 3D applications and games that you configure with DRIconf. Send these to my private email address, NOT to the mailing lists. Depending on the volume of feedback I may want to filter and process the emails automatically, so please send plain-text emails in the following format: Is it possible that this could be dynamically created and cached on each system by checking for applications in PATH that have libGL in NEEDED? Then one could have a Scan for new applications that would re-check. I suppose readelf -a $exe | grep NEEDED ought to work on most systems. That ought to catch the majority of them, except those annoying shell scripts that run something else somewhere else. Yeah, but these are exactly the hard cases that are most confusing to users and that I'm trying to solve. Also some executables don't have very descriptive names, like fgfs for FlightGear. It's also impossible to sort auto-detected applications into meaningful categories. Maybe parsing of the menus of the desktop environment would be feasible instead? http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fmenu_2dspec defines a distro-neutral standard for such menus. On my Debian box the Gnome menus aren't too helpful in terms of completeness and categorization of applications. But the Debian menu would come pretty close. Do other distributions have something equivalent? Your readelf trick would work as a filter to identify the 3D applications. Thanks for the hint. Shell scripts would need some heuristics to find the actual executable. This could get messy. A database may be the only way. BTW, readelf is part of binutils. Can one reasonably assume binutils to be installed on every desktop system? Also, what about *BSD? Do they use ELF binaries? Thanks, Donnie Regards, Felix -- | Felix Kühling [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fxk.de.vu | | PGP Fingerprint: 6A3C 9566 5B30 DDED 73C3 B152 151C 5CC1 D888 E595 | --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: Auto-discovery of 3D applications
Felix Kühling wrote: Yeah, but these are exactly the hard cases that are most confusing to users and that I'm trying to solve. Also some executables don't have very descriptive names, like fgfs for FlightGear. It's also impossible to sort auto-detected applications into meaningful categories. Maybe parsing of the menus of the desktop environment would be feasible instead? http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fmenu_2dspec defines a distro-neutral standard for such menus. On my Debian box the Gnome menus aren't too helpful in terms of completeness and categorization of applications. But the Debian menu would come pretty close. Do other distributions have something equivalent? I agree on some of your points, but maintaining a database of all 3D applications in existence will probably be a ton of work, won't scale well, and will always be missing stuff, so any alternative would be welcome. As far as the menus go, Gentoo just uses whatever upstream installs. Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
