Re: Radeon X1600?
On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 10:02 +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote: On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 00:52 -0500, Vladimir Dergachev wrote: If X1600 is a completely new chip then it is likely we are not going to get any documentation within 1.5-2 years from the release. This has been so with all of ATI's new chips: mach64, rage128, radeon, Rage Theatre, Rage Theatre 200. The only exceptions were, I believe, 2d support for rage128 and radeon cards - and that turned out to be very similar to mach64. Actually, AFAIR all of Rage128, R100 and R200 had pretty decent support including rather shortly after release, [...] I meant to say 'including 3D'. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: Radeon X1600?
One can hope that despite the newness of X1600 chip some of the basics (like video mode setup) would remain similar enough to have partially functioning 2d driver. The memory, PLL and 3d parts are pretty much the same, the 2D core is very very different, I'll be getting one soon, expect some basic modesetting at n+1. from my limited access to one of these cards, you might want to start looking above 0x6000 for some registers.. Dave. -- David Airlie, Software Engineer http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / airlied at skynet.ie Linux kernel - DRI, VAX / pam_smb / ILUG --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: Radeon X1600?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Michel [ISO-8859-1] D?nzer wrote: On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 10:02 +0100, Michel D??nzer wrote: On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 00:52 -0500, Vladimir Dergachev wrote: If X1600 is a completely new chip then it is likely we are not going to get any documentation within 1.5-2 years from the release. This has been so with all of ATI's new chips: mach64, rage128, radeon, Rage Theatre, Rage Theatre 200. The only exceptions were, I believe, 2d support for rage128 and radeon cards - and that turned out to be very similar to mach64. Actually, AFAIR all of Rage128, R100 and R200 had pretty decent support including rather shortly after release, [...] I meant to say 'including 3D'. 3d support was Rage128, R100 and R200 was done by Precision Insight and I distinctly remember working on TV-in of AIW Rage128 card while the card had no 3d drivers (I would have noticed as I looked at all the information sources that were publicly available to compliment ATI's documentation). This was, of course, after the release. R200 initial 3d support was done, AFAIK, by Kevin Martin, and involved using R100 code - thus it did not support TL. I am somewhat hazy on timing for Radeons. My estimate of 1.5-2 years delay before open source drivers appear is based on a simple consideration: 0 - product is released +1 year- ATI releases register specs to some developers under NDA +1.5 years - stable 2d driver with decent acceleration appears +2 years - 3d driver with at least triangles and textures appears. The development times increase if the chip can easily lockup when having unexpected values into registers (like what happens with 3d pipeline on Radeon 9800) I am not sure what the development timeline of ATI binary driver is but I assume it is at least 3 months for a new chip or they would not need more than one person. best Vladimir Dergachev -- Earthling Michel D??nzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Re: Radeon X1600?
Hi, On Tuesday 07 February 2006 21:11, Felix Kühling wrote: Am Dienstag, den 07.02.2006, 10:31 -0500 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Actually, I've been having trouble with my Xpress 200M locking up in 2D mode. I'm still trying to determine what the cause of the lockup is. OT: The radeon driver locked up on my Xpress 200 until I disabled color tiling. I heavily use the 200M for anything but GLX (which is unsupported right now, of course) and never had any lockup - and I even suspend the machine for weeks ... Yours, -- René Rebe - Rubensstr. 64 - 12157 Berlin (Europe / Germany) http://www.exactcode.de | http://www.t2-project.org +49 (0)30 255 897 45 --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: Radeon X1600?
John Clemens schrieb: There was a post on this list at the end of december(?) indicating that ATI was not interested in helping open source with 3D specs anymore.. I'm guessing they didn't do much with the r300 line either.. but does anyone know anything or have any official word on whether the r500 series of radeon cards will ever be supported by anything other than fglrx for 3D? Any official word from ATI? Is anything known about these cards? AFAIK no one has even started reverse-engineering their driver. There is official word from ATI that they will not give any information to developers of free drivers. German computer magazine c't asked them. Theres one or two sentences about it in an article about the linux driver situation (page 168, magazine from 27.12.2005). The r300 driver was written without any information from ATI. It works with cards up to the X850. Philipp --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: Re: Radeon X1600?
Hi, AFAIK there is not linux driver for X1600 (fglrx doesn't support this card too). This card is nearly useless under linux for now. Peter Zubaj John Clemens schrieb: There was a post on this list at the end of december(?) indicating that ATI was not interested in helping open source with 3D specs anymore.. I'm guessing they didn't do much with the r300 line either.. but does anyone know anything or have any official word on whether the r500 series of radeon cards will ever be supported by anything other than fglrx for 3D? Any official word from ATI? Is anything known about these cards? AFAIK no one has even started reverse-engineering their driver. There is official word from ATI that they will not give any information to developers of free drivers. German computer magazine c't asked them. Theres one or two sentences about it in an article about the linux driver situation (page 168, magazine from 27.12.2005). The r300 driver was written without any information from ATI. It works with cards up to the X850. Philipp --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: Radeon X1600?
John Clemens wrote: There was a post on this list at the end of december(?) indicating that ATI was not interested in helping open source with 3D specs anymore.. I'm guessing they didn't do much with the r300 line either.. but does anyone know anything or have any official word on whether the r500 series of radeon cards will ever be supported by anything other than fglrx for 3D? Any official word from ATI? Is anything known about these cards? I ask because my ibook g3 is getting a bit long in the tooth, and since my non-x86 options for laptops are fast approaching 0, I'm looking for a turion notebook with a supported chipset. I'm debating about going cheaper with a radeon 200M (which i think has an undocumented memory controller and thus doesn't work even though it's an r300 core?), or the MSI-1029 with an X700 (which is supported by r300, right?). But, the 1029 is about to be replaced with the 1039 which comes with the new X1600, so I'd like to know if I have to move before the 1029 disappears, or if i can wait a little while. Both xpress 200m and x700 should at least work for 2d, and the x700 hopefully for 3d too (some people still don't have luck with them it seems). There is not much hope of getting the X1xxx chips to work anytime soon, even for 2d, as they are believed to be much different (especially as far as modesetting/2d is concerned, radeon 7200 to radeon x850 are nearly identical there). You can always use vesa driver, which of course totally sucks, and there's a high probability you couldn't even use the display's native resolution with that. Fglrx should support it at some point, but an ATI employee stated it will take a couple of driver revisions, which I interpret as something up to half a year. Roland --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: Radeon X1600?
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Roland Scheidegger wrote: Both xpress 200m and x700 should at least work for 2d, and the x700 hopefully for 3d too (some people still don't have luck with them it seems). There is not much hope of getting the X1xxx chips to work anytime soon, even for 2d, as they are believed to be much different (especially as far as modesetting/2d is concerned, radeon 7200 to radeon x850 are nearly identical there). You can always use vesa driver, which of course totally sucks, and there's a high probability you couldn't even use the display's native resolution with that. Fglrx should support it at some point, but an ATI employee stated it will take a couple of driver revisions, which I interpret as something up to half a year. Roland Thanks (everyone) for the info. It's unfortunate, but it's what I honestly expected. Looks like I'll either have to go suck it up and buy an x700 notebook before they disappear, or gamble with a 200m and hope we can figure out the memory controller (and memory management that goes with it). john.c -- John Clemens http://www.deater.net/john john at deater.net I Hate Quotes -- Samuel L. Clemens --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: Radeon X1600?
Actually, I've been having trouble with my Xpress 200M locking up in 2D mode. I'm still trying to determine what the cause of the lockup is. If you're looking for something supported by other than the fglrx driver, I would steer clear of the 200M for a while. Roland Scheidegger rscheidegger_lists-at-hispeed.ch |rivatv-devel| wrote: John Clemens wrote: There was a post on this list at the end of december(?) indicating that ATI was not interested in helping open source with 3D specs anymore.. I'm guessing they didn't do much with the r300 line either.. but does anyone know anything or have any official word on whether the r500 series of radeon cards will ever be supported by anything other than fglrx for 3D? Any official word from ATI? Is anything known about these cards? I ask because my ibook g3 is getting a bit long in the tooth, and since my non-x86 options for laptops are fast approaching 0, I'm looking for a turion notebook with a supported chipset. I'm debating about going cheaper with a radeon 200M (which i think has an undocumented memory controller and thus doesn't work even though it's an r300 core?), or the MSI-1029 with an X700 (which is supported by r300, right?). But, the 1029 is about to be replaced with the 1039 which comes with the new X1600, so I'd like to know if I have to move before the 1029 disappears, or if i can wait a little while. Both xpress 200m and x700 should at least work for 2d, and the x700 hopefully for 3d too (some people still don't have luck with them it seems). There is not much hope of getting the X1xxx chips to work anytime soon, even for 2d, as they are believed to be much different (especially as far as modesetting/2d is concerned, radeon 7200 to radeon x850 are nearly identical there). You can always use vesa driver, which of course totally sucks, and there's a high probability you couldn't even use the display's native resolution with that. Fglrx should support it at some point, but an ATI employee stated it will take a couple of driver revisions, which I interpret as something up to half a year. Roland --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: Radeon X1600?
Am Dienstag, den 07.02.2006, 10:31 -0500 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Actually, I've been having trouble with my Xpress 200M locking up in 2D mode. I'm still trying to determine what the cause of the lockup is. OT: The radeon driver locked up on my Xpress 200 until I disabled color tiling. Regards, Felix -- | Felix Kühling [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fxk.de.vu | | PGP Fingerprint: 6A3C 9566 5B30 DDED 73C3 B152 151C 5CC1 D888 E595 | --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Radeon X1600?
There was a post on this list at the end of december(?) indicating that ATI was not interested in helping open source with 3D specs anymore.. I'm guessing they didn't do much with the r300 line either.. but does anyone know anything or have any official word on whether the r500 series of radeon cards will ever be supported by anything other than fglrx for 3D? Any official word from ATI? Is anything known about these cards? I ask because my ibook g3 is getting a bit long in the tooth, and since my non-x86 options for laptops are fast approaching 0, I'm looking for a turion notebook with a supported chipset. I'm debating about going cheaper with a radeon 200M (which i think has an undocumented memory controller and thus doesn't work even though it's an r300 core?), or the MSI-1029 with an X700 (which is supported by r300, right?). But, the 1029 is about to be replaced with the 1039 which comes with the new X1600, so I'd like to know if I have to move before the 1029 disappears, or if i can wait a little while. john.c -- John Clemens http://www.deater.net/john john at deater.net I Hate Quotes -- Samuel L. Clemens --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
