Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
On 12/21/2008 10:03 PM, Jani Partanen wrote: Dov Zamir wrote: OK, So at least some people agree. Now let's do something about it, and get this on the road. Let's try to enumerate the things that need to be done to fork DSPAM, and then decide who does what. I see a few suggestions here: a new mailing list (or two), possibly a forum (there was some objections to this in earlier threads), a new CVN repository, etc. What we need: * Core team * New name (My suggestion is dspam-new or dspam-ng) * Domain (.org .com .net does anyone run some business what can sponsor this?) * Homepage * SVN or some other (Better to use already available solutions) * Wiki (Mediawiki would be best) * Forum (phpBB3 is free. Someone was working with this. Speak up please) * Postlist (Mailman would be good) * SSL certificate for domains (Not required but would give more pro look to people. Again sponsor is required) * A plan! What I can do: * Some testing * System administration Mick, with all due respect, I don't think you guys are relevant any more. I don't know what you intended to do with DSPAM, but you're not doing it. Please release it back into the community if you can. If not, we'll fork! -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Erwin Rennert, IT Services Center for Social Innovation A-1150 Wien, Linke Wienzeile 246 Austria, Europe Phone: ++43-1-495 04 42 - 61 Facsimile: ++43-1-495 04 42 - 40 http://www.zsi.at/ !DSPAM:1011,494f51b5150921033013838!
Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
On 12/21/2008 10:03 PM, Jani Partanen wrote: What we need: * Core team * New name (My suggestion is dspam-new or dspam-ng) * Domain (.org .com .net does anyone run some business what can sponsor this?) * Homepage * SVN or some other (Better to use already available solutions) * Wiki (Mediawiki would be best) * Forum (phpBB3 is free. Someone was working with this. Speak up please) * Postlist (Mailman would be good) * SSL certificate for domains (Not required but would give more pro look to people. Again sponsor is required) * A plan! My employer is willing to sponsor: * a domain * an SSL certificate (a real one) * Webspace (Mediawiki) * We may also talk about Subversion and, if needed, * a mirror. I personally am willing to throw in a couple of mailing lists (Mailman) For the record, I am working for a private, non-profit research institute in the field of Social Sciences. - Erwin Rennert -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Erwin Rennert, IT Services Center for Social Innovation A-1150 Wien, Linke Wienzeile 246 Austria, Europe Phone: ++43-1-495 04 42 - 61 Facsimile: ++43-1-495 04 42 - 40 http://www.zsi.at/ !DSPAM:1011,494f51e2150925962530714!
Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
Dov Zamir wrote: I say, let's just do it. Let SN do whatever they want to do. They can leave us or join us, who cares? I believe that everyone on this list wants to get DSPAM back where it was two years ago. So let's just do it. Let's not wait for the developers to show up on this list and say their ready to help. Developers typically do not read the user's list, they have their own list. They'll come along when they're needed.if we can get the project up again as a community project. DSPAM is just too good to let SN, or anyone else kill it!! I agree. In the past, several people showed up and said they were willing to setup basic services like subversion/git, a mailing list, bug tracking system, etc. Could those people come forward now? I think it's time. Personally I'm offering to install and maintain one of the above services, I have experience in this kind of system administration, just not the time to maintain _all_ those services. Alexander !DSPAM:1011,494e3223150922811358197!
Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
Well why would we need to build own svn/cvs/git or what ever you call it when there is already places what offer all of this. Examples: sf.net, freshmeat.net, launchpad.net Alexander Prinsier wrote: Dov Zamir wrote: I say, let's just do it. Let SN do whatever they want to do. They can leave us or join us, who cares? I believe that everyone on this list wants to get DSPAM back where it was two years ago. So let's just do it. Let's not wait for the developers to show up on this list and say their ready to help. Developers typically do not read the user's list, they have their own list. They'll come along when they're needed.if we can get the project up again as a community project. DSPAM is just too good to let SN, or anyone else kill it!! I agree. In the past, several people showed up and said they were willing to setup basic services like subversion/git, a mailing list, bug tracking system, etc. Could those people come forward now? I think it's time. Personally I'm offering to install and maintain one of the above services, I have experience in this kind of system administration, just not the time to maintain _all_ those services. Alexander !DSPAM:1011,494e74a2150922088486582!
Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
Jani Partanen wrote: Well why would we need to build own svn/cvs/git or what ever you call it when there is already places what offer all of this. Examples: sf.net, freshmeat.net, launchpad.net Alexander Prinsier wrote: Dov Zamir wrote: I say, let's just do it. Let SN do whatever they want to do. They can leave us or join us, who cares? I believe that everyone on this list wants to get DSPAM back where it was two years ago. So let's just do it. Let's not wait for the developers to show up on this list and say their ready to help. Developers typically do not read the user's list, they have their own list. They'll come along when they're needed.if we can get the project up again as a community project. DSPAM is just too good to let SN, or anyone else kill it!! I agree. In the past, several people showed up and said they were willing to setup basic services like subversion/git, a mailing list, bug tracking system, etc. Could those people come forward now? I think it's time. Personally I'm offering to install and maintain one of the above services, I have experience in this kind of system administration, just not the time to maintain _all_ those services. Alexander !DSPAM:1011,494e74a2150922088486582! Hello everyone, DSPAM is a great antispam solution and I have been using it for a couple of years now.. I agree that it is time to fork this since SN haven't taken any meaningful actions. (all talk no work)... A major feature I'd like to see is a new GUI (something similar to Postfixadmin for multidomain hosting). -- Peter Santiago pet...@psinergybbs.com My website:www.psinergybbs.com My spamtrap address: r349...@psinergybbs.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature !DSPAM:1011,494e7690150921945911287!
Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
Oh, hi Steve! It's nice to see some old community members still here :) First I would like to see new release what would just include all the community made patches to 3.8.0 version. Also rpm spec file for missing distros would be really great, it would make it more easy to get it to 3rd party repos or even something like EPEL. After that when people has stop moaning that there has not been update for years, web management would need to rewrite and add new features. Also config could be more flexible. I would also like to see all /var/dspam stuff put into database. That could be a start and should have more than enough job to do right? // JiiPee Steve wrote: Original-Nachricht Datum: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:55:47 +0200 Von: Jani Partanen jii...@sotapeli.fi An: Richard i...@richard5.net CC: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Okey time has again gone forward and it looks like all fork talk is quiet again. So will it be again same thing that 1 year is quiet and then someone pop up here and yell that this project need a fork! It has happen already at least 3 times. Every time there is much talking and much promises from current project owner, but nothing is really done. So will we again wait another year and hope that maybe this time? I have been looking other directions also and bogofilter is something what I might take a closer look. Assuming we would make a fork. What would be the things you would like to see in DSPAM after the fork? What functionality, etc... I personally would support a fork as long as DSPAM stays totally free. The current code does have some parts which are hidden and you only get if you buy certain hardware. And currently the DSPAM code is free but SN can at any time turn the code into closed source. They can't revert the already published code to be closed source but they can transform any future releases to be closed source. Anyway... I am much interested to hear what functions and enhancements you would like to see build into DSPAM after a fork. // Steve Richard wrote: First it's good to see the discussion heating up again... As I promised in the earlier discussions I'm willing to do the testing on the Mac platform as I currently support some users on OSX and have got my own mailserver running on it. i've included DSpam into my documentation/instruction set for setting up a mailserver under mac osx (see http://diymacserver.com/docs/). So answering question on using/compiling/configuring DSpam on OSX would be my way of helping. Let's see where it takes us... Richard On 29 Oct 2008, at 8:42 PM, Kyle Johnson wrote: I would like to help out. --Applied On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Imposit.com - Webmaster webmas...@imposit.com wrote: So well do it Im still readin about mailman/phpbb linking, maybe weve to wait for a link but ill setup a forum and a dev mailman maillinglist this week So what I need I now MODERATORS and listmanagers :-) shure I can and will do also some work. But help is welcome so send your applications now :-) Von: owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com [mailto:owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com] Im Auftrag von Mick Johnson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:17 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Hey all, Forum's a good idea – we'd be more than happy to link to it from the main page. Cheers mick From: owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com [mailto:owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com] On Behalf Of Imposit.com - Webmaster Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:15 AM To: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? As we can see no easy desicion :-) I will take a look about the linking thing I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know how to subscribe) have it easier. But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and forum. Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) !DSPAM:1011,494e7694150926538838526!
Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
Jani Partanen wrote: Oh, hi Steve! It's nice to see some old community members still here :) First I would like to see new release what would just include all the community made patches to 3.8.0 version. Also rpm spec file for missing distros would be really great, it would make it more easy to get it to 3rd party repos or even something like EPEL. After that when people has stop moaning that there has not been update for years, web management would need to rewrite and add new features. Also config could be more flexible. I would also like to see all /var/dspam stuff put into database. That could be a start and should have more than enough job to do right? // JiiPee Hi All, OK, So at least some people agree. Now let's do something about it, and get this on the road. Let's try to enumerate the things that need to be done to fork DSPAM, and then decide who does what. I see a few suggestions here: a new mailing list (or two), possibly a forum (there was some objections to this in earlier threads), a new CVN repository, etc. Mick, with all due respect, I don't think you guys are relevant any more. I don't know what you intended to do with DSPAM, but you're not doing it. Please release it back into the community if you can. If not, we'll fork! Steve wrote: Original-Nachricht Datum: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:55:47 +0200 Von: Jani Partanen jii...@sotapeli.fi An: Richard i...@richard5.net CC: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Okey time has again gone forward and it looks like all fork talk is quiet again. So will it be again same thing that 1 year is quiet and then someone pop up here and yell that this project need a fork! It has happen already at least 3 times. Every time there is much talking and much promises from current project owner, but nothing is really done. So will we again wait another year and hope that maybe this time? I have been looking other directions also and bogofilter is something what I might take a closer look. Assuming we would make a fork. What would be the things you would like to see in DSPAM after the fork? What functionality, etc... I personally would support a fork as long as DSPAM stays totally free. The current code does have some parts which are hidden and you only get if you buy certain hardware. And currently the DSPAM code is free but SN can at any time turn the code into closed source. They can't revert the already published code to be closed source but they can transform any future releases to be closed source. Anyway... I am much interested to hear what functions and enhancements you would like to see build into DSPAM after a fork. // Steve Richard wrote: First it's good to see the discussion heating up again... As I promised in the earlier discussions I'm willing to do the testing on the Mac platform as I currently support some users on OSX and have got my own mailserver running on it. i've included DSpam into my documentation/instruction set for setting up a mailserver under mac osx (see http://diymacserver.com/docs/). So answering question on using/compiling/configuring DSpam on OSX would be my way of helping. Let's see where it takes us... Richard On 29 Oct 2008, at 8:42 PM, Kyle Johnson wrote: I would like to help out. --Applied On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Imposit.com - Webmaster webmas...@imposit.com wrote: So well do it Im still readin about mailman/phpbb linking, maybe weve to wait for a link but ill setup a forum and a dev mailman maillinglist this week So what I need I now MODERATORS and listmanagers :-) shure I can and will do also some work. But help is welcome so send your applications now :-) Von: owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com [mailto:owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com] Im Auftrag von Mick Johnson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:17 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Hey all, Forum's a good idea – we'd be more than happy to link to it from the main page. Cheers mick From: owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com [mailto:owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com] On Behalf Of Imposit.com - Webmaster Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:15 AM To: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? As we can see no easy desicion :-) I will take a look about the linking thing I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know how to subscribe) have it easier. But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and forum. Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like golem or so
RE: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
Hi guys, I can just say what we said before - the major impediment to dspam moving forward is a lack of developer support, not the absence of another mailing list or version control system. In my experience, there will always be differing views on what the best version control system, or forum software, or mailing list policy should be. However, this seems to be a secondary concern when it comes to the future of the Dspam project. We are more than happy to work with whoever wants to step up to the plate - this includes granting CVS write access etc. Regards Mick -Original Message- From: owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com [mailto:owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com] On Behalf Of Dov Zamir Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 6:06 AM To: Jani Partanen Cc: Steve; dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Jani Partanen wrote: Oh, hi Steve! It's nice to see some old community members still here :) First I would like to see new release what would just include all the community made patches to 3.8.0 version. Also rpm spec file for missing distros would be really great, it would make it more easy to get it to 3rd party repos or even something like EPEL. After that when people has stop moaning that there has not been update for years, web management would need to rewrite and add new features. Also config could be more flexible. I would also like to see all /var/dspam stuff put into database. That could be a start and should have more than enough job to do right? // JiiPee Hi All, OK, So at least some people agree. Now let's do something about it, and get this on the road. Let's try to enumerate the things that need to be done to fork DSPAM, and then decide who does what. I see a few suggestions here: a new mailing list (or two), possibly a forum (there was some objections to this in earlier threads), a new CVN repository, etc. Mick, with all due respect, I don't think you guys are relevant any more. I don't know what you intended to do with DSPAM, but you're not doing it. Please release it back into the community if you can. If not, we'll fork! Steve wrote: Original-Nachricht Datum: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:55:47 +0200 Von: Jani Partanen jii...@sotapeli.fi An: Richard i...@richard5.net CC: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Okey time has again gone forward and it looks like all fork talk is quiet again. So will it be again same thing that 1 year is quiet and then someone pop up here and yell that this project need a fork! It has happen already at least 3 times. Every time there is much talking and much promises from current project owner, but nothing is really done. So will we again wait another year and hope that maybe this time? I have been looking other directions also and bogofilter is something what I might take a closer look. Assuming we would make a fork. What would be the things you would like to see in DSPAM after the fork? What functionality, etc... I personally would support a fork as long as DSPAM stays totally free. The current code does have some parts which are hidden and you only get if you buy certain hardware. And currently the DSPAM code is free but SN can at any time turn the code into closed source. They can't revert the already published code to be closed source but they can transform any future releases to be closed source. Anyway... I am much interested to hear what functions and enhancements you would like to see build into DSPAM after a fork. // Steve Richard wrote: First it's good to see the discussion heating up again... As I promised in the earlier discussions I'm willing to do the testing on the Mac platform as I currently support some users on OSX and have got my own mailserver running on it. i've included DSpam into my documentation/instruction set for setting up a mailserver under mac osx (see http://diymacserver.com/docs/). So answering question on using/compiling/configuring DSpam on OSX would be my way of helping. Let's see where it takes us... Richard On 29 Oct 2008, at 8:42 PM, Kyle Johnson wrote: I would like to help out. --Applied On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Imposit.com - Webmaster webmas...@imposit.com wrote: So well do it Im still readin about mailman/phpbb linking, maybe weve to wait for a link but ill setup a forum and a dev mailman maillinglist this week So what I need I now MODERATORS and listmanagers :-) shure I can and will do also some work. But help is welcome so send your applications now :-) Von: owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com [mailto:owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com] Im Auftrag von Mick Johnson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:17 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project
Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
Jani Partanen wrote: Dov Zamir wrote: OK, So at least some people agree. Now let's do something about it, and get this on the road. Let's try to enumerate the things that need to be done to fork DSPAM, and then decide who does what. What we need: * Core team * New name (My suggestion is dspam-new or dspam-ng) * Domain (.org .com .net does anyone run some business what can sponsor this?) * Homepage * SVN or some other (Better to use already available solutions) * Wiki (Mediawiki would be best) * Forum (phpBB3 is free. Someone was working with this. Speak up please) * Postlist (Mailman would be good) * SSL certificate for domains (Not required but would give more pro look to people. Again sponsor is required) * A plan! What I can do: * Some testing * System administration I can do the mailing lists + webinterface for them. I believe Paul Cockings offered some domain name(s). I suggest using CACert for the SSL certificate (I can get this done if needed). We could consider sourceforge or the like of course. My own experience is that sourceforge servers are a bit overloaded (slow). But they do offer useful groupware features out of the box... And if some person who is helping right now drops out later, then we're stuck without eg a webserver... If we choose for sourceforge, then we have all the services, and don't need to find people/time to maintain them. Are we going to do it ourselves or not? Alexander !DSPAM:1011,494eb9b8150924272195622!
Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
On Sunday 21 December 2008 22:03:25 Jani Partanen wrote: What we need: * Core team This is the main problem. You need a maintainer and until someone approves to do it we don't have to worry about the rest. * New name (My suggestion is dspam-new or dspam-ng) * Domain (.org .com .net does anyone run some business what can sponsor this?) * Homepage * SVN or some other (Better to use already available solutions) * Wiki (Mediawiki would be best) * Forum (phpBB3 is free. Someone was working with this. Speak up please) * Postlist (Mailman would be good) * SSL certificate for domains (Not required but would give more pro look to people. Again sponsor is required) * A plan! Providing a git repository and the tools to develop dspam is not the problem. -- andreas -- cybernetic synapses - http://www.cynapses.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. !DSPAM:1011,494ecb7c15092155722!
Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
Okey time has again gone forward and it looks like all fork talk is quiet again. So will it be again same thing that 1 year is quiet and then someone pop up here and yell that this project need a fork! It has happen already at least 3 times. Every time there is much talking and much promises from current project owner, but nothing is really done. So will we again wait another year and hope that maybe this time? I have been looking other directions also and bogofilter is something what I might take a closer look. Richard wrote: First it's good to see the discussion heating up again... As I promised in the earlier discussions I'm willing to do the testing on the Mac platform as I currently support some users on OSX and have got my own mailserver running on it. i've included DSpam into my documentation/instruction set for setting up a mailserver under mac osx (see http://diymacserver.com/docs/). So answering question on using/compiling/configuring DSpam on OSX would be my way of helping. Let's see where it takes us... Richard On 29 Oct 2008, at 8:42 PM, Kyle Johnson wrote: I would like to help out. --Applied On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Imposit.com - Webmaster webmas...@imposit.com wrote: So well do it Im still readin about mailman/phpbb linking, maybe weve to wait for a link but ill setup a forum and a dev mailman maillinglist this week So what I need I now MODERATORS and listmanagers :-) shure I can and will do also some work. But help is welcome so send your applications now :-) Von: owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com [mailto:owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com] Im Auftrag von Mick Johnson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:17 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Hey all, Forum's a good idea – we'd be more than happy to link to it from the main page. Cheers mick From: owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com [mailto:owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com] On Behalf Of Imposit.com - Webmaster Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:15 AM To: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? As we can see no easy desicion :-) I will take a look about the linking thing I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know how to subscribe) have it easier. But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and forum. Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) !DSPAM:1011,494dcc56150929008872405!
Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
On Sun, 2008-12-21 at 06:55 +0200, Jani Partanen wrote: Okey time has again gone forward and it looks like all fork talk is quiet again. So will it be again same thing that 1 year is quiet and then someone pop up here and yell that this project need a fork! It has happen already at least 3 times. Every time there is much talking and much promises from current project owner, but nothing is really done. So will we again wait another year and hope that maybe this time? I have been looking other directions also and bogofilter is something what I might take a closer look. I think after jon stopped being actively involved with the project it died. Jon used to keep it updated every week but I don't think Sensory Networks has actively done anything for the project since they took over. You can see this as the latest released version was March 19, 2007. on http://dspam.nuclearelephant.com/contracts.shtml they advertise paid support. but do Sensory Networks actually have the technical knowledge to be able to do this? I know Jon did.. I've been using dspam for a long time but my confidence is very low at the moment in be continuing to use dspam as if anything goes wrong there is NO support at all. Thanks !DSPAM:1011,494dd4f1150921838678502!
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ציטוט Steve: Original-Nachricht Datum: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:55:47 +0200 Von: Jani Partanen jii...@sotapeli.fi An: Richard i...@richard5.net CC: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Okey time has again gone forward and it looks like all fork talk is quiet again. So will it be again same thing that 1 year is quiet and then someone pop up here and yell that this project need a fork! It has happen already at least 3 times. Every time there is much talking and much promises from current project owner, but nothing is really done. So will we again wait another year and hope that maybe this time? I have been looking other directions also and bogofilter is something what I might take a closer look. Assuming we would make a fork. What would be the things you would like to see in DSPAM after the fork? What functionality, etc... I personally would support a fork as long as DSPAM stays totally free. The current code does have some parts which are hidden and you only get if you buy certain hardware. And currently the DSPAM code is free but SN can at any time turn the code into closed source. They can't revert the already published code to be closed source but they can transform any future releases to be closed source. Anyway... I am much interested to hear what functions and enhancements you would like to see build into DSPAM after a fork. // Steve Personally, I believe that we first need to decide that we want to fork. IMHO, it's more important to get a platform with a level of community support for existing users and allow publishing of patches and bug fixes before we try to develop new features. SN has continually been successful in placating us. Every time we start this discussion they again come and make promises. I believe we gave them enough time to put their money where their mouth is. We need to act, or else DSPAM will die a natural death. I say, let's just do it. Let SN do whatever they want to do. They can leave us or join us, who cares? I believe that everyone on this list wants to get DSPAM back where it was two years ago. So let's just do it. Let's not wait for the developers to show up on this list and say their ready to help. Developers typically do not read the user's list, they have their own list. They'll come along when they're needed.if we can get the project up again as a community project. DSPAM is just too good to let SN, or anyone else kill it!! Richard wrote: First it's good to see the discussion heating up again... As I promised in the earlier discussions I'm willing to do the testing on the Mac platform as I currently support some users on OSX and have got my own mailserver running on it. i've included DSpam into my documentation/instruction set for setting up a mailserver under mac osx (see http://diymacserver.com/docs/). So answering question on using/compiling/configuring DSpam on OSX would be my way of helping. Let's see where it takes us... Richard On 29 Oct 2008, at 8:42 PM, Kyle Johnson wrote: I would like to help out. --Applied On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Imposit.com - Webmaster webmas...@imposit.com wrote: So well do it Im still readin about mailman/phpbb linking, maybe weve to wait for a link but ill setup a forum and a dev mailman maillinglist this week So what I need I now MODERATORS and listmanagers :-) shure I can and will do also some work. But help is welcome so send your applications now :-) Von: owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com [mailto:owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com] Im Auftrag von Mick Johnson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:17 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Hey all, Forum's a good idea – we'd be more than happy to link to it from the main page. Cheers mick From: owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com [mailto:owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com] On Behalf Of Imposit.com - Webmaster Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:15 AM To: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? As we can see no easy desicion :-) I will take a look about the linking thing I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know how to subscribe) have it easier. But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and forum. Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) !DSPAM:1011,494dee9c150921814816992!
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So, what's up? :) 1. New Wiki 2. Forums 1. Forum Moderators 3. Fixed mailing list (Can someone confirm what is broken?) 4. Link to new wiki and forums on website 5. ?? On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First it's good to see the discussion heating up again... As I promised in the earlier discussions I'm willing to do the testing on the Mac platform as I currently support some users on OSX and have got my own mailserver running on it. i've included DSpam into my documentation/instruction set for setting up a mailserver under mac osx (see http://diymacserver.com/docs/). So answering question on using/compiling/configuring DSpam on OSX would be my way of helping. Let's see where it takes us... Richard On 29 Oct 2008, at 8:42 PM, Kyle Johnson wrote: I would like to help out. --Applied On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Imposit.com - Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So well do it Im still readin about mailman/phpbb linking, maybe weve to wait for a link but ill setup a forum and a dev mailman maillinglist this week So what I need I now MODERATORS and listmanagers :-) shure I can and will do also some work. But help is welcome so send your applications now :-) Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mick Johnson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:17 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Hey all, Forum's a good idea – we'd be more than happy to link to it from the main page. Cheers mick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Imposit.com - Webmaster Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:15 AM To: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? As we can see no easy desicion :-) I will take a look about the linking thing I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know how to subscribe) have it easier. But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and forum. Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) !DSPAM:1011,49232c4e150921560713410!
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Forum is installed today. Only a few settings left and ill post the link then. But sadly only one want tob e moderator so im still asking myself i fit make sense but ok ill do it now we will see. Maillinglist will follow and also an gateway tot he forums (maybe beta) New wiki? We never talked about it :-) Lets make this forum thing first and let see who ist he response Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Kyle Johnson Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. November 2008 21:58 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? So, what's up? :) 1. New Wiki 2. Forums 1. Forum Moderators 3. Fixed mailing list (Can someone confirm what is broken?) 4. Link to new wiki and forums on website 5. ?? On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First it's good to see the discussion heating up again... As I promised in the earlier discussions I'm willing to do the testing on the Mac platform as I currently support some users on OSX and have got my own mailserver running on it. i've included DSpam into my documentation/instruction set for setting up a mailserver under mac osx (see http://diymacserver.com/docs/). So answering question on using/compiling/configuring DSpam on OSX would be my way of helping. Let's see where it takes us... Richard On 29 Oct 2008, at 8:42 PM, Kyle Johnson wrote: I would like to help out. --Applied On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Imposit.com - Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So well do it Im still readin about mailman/phpbb linking, maybe weve to wait for a link but ill setup a forum and a dev mailman maillinglist this week So what I need I now MODERATORS and listmanagers :-) shure I can and will do also some work. But help is welcome so send your applications now :-) Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mick Johnson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:17 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Hey all, Forum's a good idea - we'd be more than happy to link to it from the main page. Cheers mick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Imposit.com - Webmaster Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:15 AM To: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? As we can see no easy desicion :-) I will take a look about the linking thing I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know how to subscribe) have it easier. But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and forum. Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) !DSPAM:1011,4923692a150921376121274!
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Forum first is a good idea. I suppose one moderator is all that will be needed, depending on the volume of course. On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Imposit.com - Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS: if someone wanna make a nice dspam related template for phpbb3 let me know and ill save some time. !DSPAM:1011,49236e8d150926144910950!
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Felix Schwarz wrote: Any successful fork will need developers which do the hard work without immediate gains. So I think a successful fork will 'just happen' by someone who develops for his own and send patches. If there are enough patches floating around, someone will set up more infrastructure. I think this bit here is the key. As far as I can tell, the dspam-dev list is broken, which *is* a big problem. It would perhaps help if someone set up an alternative dev list until the SN managed one is working - not having a forum for -dev talk is really not helping the project. Beyond that, as patches are posted it is likely that if SN don't incorporate them then someone will (for their own use) set up a code repository which includes the patches and (hopefully) make it available; from there, if the unofficial repository is more up to date then people will use that instead. To all intents and purposes that would be the start of a fork. On the other hand, maybe the same person would instead get access to the SN svn and maintain that instead; if so we have made progress without a fork. The decider will be whether that person finds it easiest to set up their own source repository or add to the official one, which in turn will be decided by how easy they find it to get write access to svn, how reliable that access is, etc, but could also just be decided on the basis they prefer git (or whatever) and set up their own repo anyway. Without a -dev forum, though, the development cannot proceed in a reliable way. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,49082741150921039992547!
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Imposit.com - Webmaster wrote: If there a need for a dev maillinglist I can setup one within a day. it would be based on mailman (which is any better than this majordomo thing :-) alternative we can setup as a quickfix a forum (maybe dev only) I'm not going to be a major developer but will maybe do odd bits. Speaking for me only, if you set up a new -dev list I'll join it. If you set up a forum I'd be unlikely to visit it, though... -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,4908514b150921045616811!
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A forum (for both +dev and non-dev) is something that I think this project has needed for a long time. It would be helpful to have it linked to from dspam's home page... On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Mark Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Imposit.com - Webmaster wrote: If there a need for a dev maillinglist I can setup one within a day. it would be based on mailman (which is any better than this majordomo thing :-) alternative we can setup as a quickfix a forum (maybe dev only) I'm not going to be a major developer but will maybe do odd bits. Speaking for me only, if you set up a new -dev list I'll join it. If you set up a forum I'd be unlikely to visit it, though... -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,490853e4150921871617294!
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I don't believe that the dev list is broken. I had an interaction with someone on that list earlier this week. ציטוט Mark Rogers: Felix Schwarz wrote: Any successful fork will need developers which do the hard work without immediate gains. So I think a successful fork will 'just happen' by someone who develops for his own and send patches. If there are enough patches floating around, someone will set up more infrastructure. I think this bit here is the key. As far as I can tell, the dspam-dev list is broken, which *is* a big problem. It would perhaps help if someone set up an alternative dev list until the SN managed one is working - not having a forum for -dev talk is really not helping the project. Beyond that, as patches are posted it is likely that if SN don't incorporate them then someone will (for their own use) set up a code repository which includes the patches and (hopefully) make it available; from there, if the unofficial repository is more up to date then people will use that instead. To all intents and purposes that would be the start of a fork. On the other hand, maybe the same person would instead get access to the SN svn and maintain that instead; if so we have made progress without a fork. The decider will be whether that person finds it easiest to set up their own source repository or add to the official one, which in turn will be decided by how easy they find it to get write access to svn, how reliable that access is, etc, but could also just be decided on the basis they prefer git (or whatever) and set up their own repo anyway. Without a -dev forum, though, the development cannot proceed in a reliable way. !DSPAM:1011,490858f8150926684416816!
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Jup, linking from the mainpage would be nice Ill take a look which forum we should use (maybe the typo3 forum or something like phpbb or so) But if I see interest ill do both (maillinglist and forum) this week SO SEND MAILS if youre interested :-) Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Kyle Johnson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 13:16 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? A forum (for both +dev and non-dev) is something that I think this project has needed for a long time. It would be helpful to have it linked to from dspam's home page... On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Mark Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imposit.com - Webmaster wrote: If there a need for a dev maillinglist I can setup one within a day. it would be based on mailman (which is any better than this majordomo thing :-) alternative we can setup as a quickfix a forum (maybe dev only) I'm not going to be a major developer but will maybe do odd bits. Speaking for me only, if you set up a new -dev list I'll join it. If you set up a forum I'd be unlikely to visit it, though... -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,49085b12150922064184740!
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I would definitely join a new dev list, but probably not a forum. ? Imposit.com - Webmaster: Jup, linking from the mainpage would be nice Ill take a look which forum we should use (maybe the typo3 forum or something like phpbb or so) But if I see interest ill do both (maillinglist and forum) this week SO SEND MAILS if youre interested :-) *Von:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Im Auftrag von *Kyle Johnson *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 13:16 *An:* dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com *Betreff:* Re: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? A forum (for both +dev and non-dev) is something that I think this project has needed for a long time. It would be helpful to have it linked to from dspam's home page... On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Mark Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imposit.com - Webmaster wrote: If there a need for a dev maillinglist I can setup one within a day. it would be based on mailman (which is any better than this majordomo thing :-) alternative we can setup as a quickfix a forum (maybe dev only) I'm not going to be a major developer but will maybe do odd bits. Speaking for me only, if you set up a new -dev list I'll join it. If you set up a forum I'd be unlikely to visit it, though... -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,49085c08150921397126402!
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Imposit.com - Webmaster wrote: Ill take a look which forum we should use (maybe the typo3 forum or something like phpbb or so) But if I see interest ill do both (maillinglist and forum) this week Well if you can find a forum with a mailing list link that would suit everybody. I think forums are great for archiving but I'll read pretty much everything dspam related that comes through my inbox, whilst I only go to forums when I am looking for something (I don't hang around in them just in case). In my experience that's quite common, particularly amongst devs. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,49086043150923783785925!
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Le 29 oct. 08 à 14:08, Mark Rogers a écrit : Imposit.com - Webmaster wrote: Ill take a look which forum we should use (maybe the typo3 forum or something like phpbb or so) But if I see interest ill do both (maillinglist and forum) this week Well if you can find a forum with a mailing list link that would suit everybody. I think forums are great for archiving but I'll read pretty much everything dspam related that comes through my inbox, whilst I only go to forums when I am looking for something (I don't hang around in them just in case). In my experience that's quite common, particularly amongst devs. +1 if something point out regarding a new php-based interface I could give some time to help (dev part only, not design) !DSPAM:1011,49086728150921337754891!
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ציטוט Mark Rogers: Dov Zamir wrote: I don't believe that the dev list is broken. I had an interaction with someone on that list earlier this week. Well I saw an email from Andreas Schneider on 24th Oct, and no replies, and nothing since. I have posted several messages to the list, most have not arrived. I see no email from you (Dom) at all on there. Well then, maybe it is really broken, see below: On Friday 24 October 2008 12:34:12 Dov Zamir wrote: Why don't you join the enlightening discussions going on on this subject in the users' list? Cause I only read the devel mailing list :) -- andreas -- http://www.cynapses.org/ - cybernetic synapses !DSPAM:1011,490873a3150921565914831!
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As we can see no easy desicion :-) I will take a look about the linking thing I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know how to subscribe) have it easier. But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and forum. Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) !DSPAM:1011,49087e0a150921469312949!
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Sorry to interrupt this conversation but is there any Chance that SN will fix this Mailing List Server ? I am trying to get myself off the list since a week. Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Imposit.com - Webmaster Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:36 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? So well do it Im still readin about mailman/phpbb linking, maybe weve to wait for a link but ill setup a forum and a dev mailman maillinglist this week So what I need I now MODERATORS and listmanagers :-) shure I can and will do also some work. But help is welcome so send your applications now :-) Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mick Johnson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:17 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Hey all, Forum's a good idea - we'd be more than happy to link to it from the main page. Cheers mick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Imposit.com - Webmaster Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:15 AM To: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? As we can see no easy desicion :-) I will take a look about the linking thing I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know how to subscribe) have it easier. But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and forum. Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) !DSPAM:1011,4908bdd7150928748915593!
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Julien Valroff schrieb: Could someone try and sum up what would be the required competences to set up such a fork? The same as always: Developers which are willing to work. As Jani I'm on this list since several years. For every fork talk, something is missing: People saying I will do. Please stop offering hosting etc. This doesn't matter imho. What is missing (and it was missing for every single fork thread in the past) is developers. So if you are no developer, there is not much you can do. Any successful fork will need developers which do the hard work without immediate gains. So I think a successful fork will 'just happen' by someone who develops for his own and send patches. If there are enough patches floating around, someone will set up more infrastructure. And don't bet on the hope that 'maybe not everyone is informed'. Getting real developers (and not 'web developers') which can code C with high quality is extremly hard. So either there are people on this list which do just start or DSPAM will be frozen like the last years. fs PS: Don't get me wrong - I would really like to see more development activities. But don't be naive: A successful fork is very hard and as a non-developer you probably underestimate the effort needed by a factor of 10. !DSPAM:1011,49074dcf150922100047616!
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Felix is right, in fiorst line developers are needed What about the apache foundation and spamassasin maybe we should talk with them to bring out an hybrid fork whatever :-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Felix Schwarz Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2008 18:37 An: Julien Valroff Cc: Jani Partanen; dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Julien Valroff schrieb: Could someone try and sum up what would be the required competences to set up such a fork? The same as always: Developers which are willing to work. As Jani I'm on this list since several years. For every fork talk, something is missing: People saying I will do. Please stop offering hosting etc. This doesn't matter imho. What is missing (and it was missing for every single fork thread in the past) is developers. So if you are no developer, there is not much you can do. Any successful fork will need developers which do the hard work without immediate gains. So I think a successful fork will 'just happen' by someone who develops for his own and send patches. If there are enough patches floating around, someone will set up more infrastructure. And don't bet on the hope that 'maybe not everyone is informed'. Getting real developers (and not 'web developers') which can code C with high quality is extremly hard. So either there are people on this list which do just start or DSPAM will be frozen like the last years. fs PS: Don't get me wrong - I would really like to see more development activities. But don't be naive: A successful fork is very hard and as a non-developer you probably underestimate the effort needed by a factor of 10. !DSPAM:1011,49075255150925852358820!
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--On October 28, 2008 6:37:12 PM +0100 Felix Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julien Valroff schrieb: Could someone try and sum up what would be the required competences to set up such a fork? The same as always: Developers which are willing to work. As Jani I'm on this list since several years. For every fork talk, something is missing: People saying I will do. If those were present, then there would be no need to fork, as SN has made it quite clear that they'd be happy to allow other developers access the code and commit fixes, do releases, etc. The real problem here is a lack of developers, either from SN or the community. Forking doesn't solve either. --Quanah !DSPAM:1011,490788de150921006924847!
