RE: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
Le mardi 28 octobre 2008 à 17:17 +0200, Jani Partanen a écrit : > Well I have been here a few years and this is now a 4th time I think when > people speak about fork. I have said it before and say it again. Fork is > only solution if dspam gonna survive. SN just don't do anything to support > this fine program. > > Every time when there is fork talk, they will pop up here and tell you that > "We will do this and that" but they never do it. +1 - I am not a developer, hence cannot initiate the fork - but as others have already said, I am ready to help for other things (testing, translations, documentation, project management, website, etc.). IMHO, we would need at least 2 core developers to lead the project - as this would mean working a lot on dspam, people might de frightened... Moreover, I am not sure all possibly interested developers read this list. I hence propose we all rely this query on our personal blogs/websites so that the information might have a larger audience (and will hopefully been published on major opensource websites). As I guess we are all from different countries, it might also be interesting to relay the information on local websites. Could someone try and sum up what would be the required competences to set up such a fork? Cheers, Julien !DSPAM:1011,49074ab8150922051512830!
RE: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
Well I have been here a few years and this is now a 4th time I think when people speak about fork. I have said it before and say it again. Fork is only solution if dspam gonna survive. SN just don't do anything to support this fine program. Every time when there is fork talk, they will pop up here and tell you that "We will do this and that" but they never do it. // JiiPee > but now, it would be nice if someone volunteers to summarize > the "problems" (what is needed/lacking/...). such a list > could be used to get back to SN or to start a new project. !DSPAM:1011,49072dc7150921248211944!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
On Oct 18, 2008 at 1217 -0600, Scott Scriven appeared and said: > * Marcel Knol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 08:42:12AM -0600, Scott Scriven wrote: > > > So, the big question is whether anyone is willing to maintain > > > DSPAM. It seems as if Jonathan Zdziarski has lost interest, but > > > if no one else is willing to take over, nothing will get done. > > > Any volunteers? The main requirements are time and enthusiasm, > > > though development skills would be helpful too. > > > > Unfortunately we do not have the time to work on the software > > itself, but if we can help by hosting something or being a > > mirror, let me know. > > Thanks. :) > > However, hosting isn't an issue. It's easy to do with free > services. What's needed are people -- developers and someone to > accept maintainer duties. Well, one way to raise the attention of others would be to publish the state of DSPAM's state of affairs on a web site, possibly a dedicated project web site or on freshmeat.net or whereever. I'm not sure how many people are on this list, and I think having a broader audience would simplify the task of finding developers. Best regards, René. -- )\._.,--,'``. fL Let GNU/Linux work for you while you take a nap. /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. R. Pfeiffer + http://web.luchs.at/ `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' - System administration + Consulting + Teaching - Got mail delivery problems? http://web.luchs.at/information/blockedmail.php pgppVDNDemi9K.pgp Description: PGP signature !DSPAM:1011,48fa2f82150921337816912!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
* Mick Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Furthermore, we're more than happy for people from the > developer community to step up and take a more active role in > terms of releases, maintenance, development, etc. For people to become more actively involved, the project needs a few things... - More infrastructure -- a bug tracker at the very least, though a full project management site would be ideal. (my preference is launchpad, but that's a topic for later) - A distributed version control system which is convenient for both temporary (feature) and permanent (release) branches, and allows private commits without mainline write access. - More transparent processes and management, showing who is involved, how code gets reviewed/tested/accepted, how releases are made, etc. - Ways to educate new contributors. Some ideas are public code reviews, mentoring, hacking guides, a project wiki, bugs tagged as bite-sized, a public question-and-answer forum, ... There are some good ideas in this paper: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ianc/papers/community-agile/community-agile.html Especially in section 5, technical practices, some of the ideas would be useful for dspam. > If you are interested in doing so please drop me a line and > we'll set up CVS rights etc. If the amount of third-party dspam patches is any indication, CVS is not sufficient for managing dspam's source. Using a DVCS would probably help quite a bit. -- Scott !DSPAM:1011,48fa2f65150926082618074!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
* Marcel Knol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 08:42:12AM -0600, Scott Scriven wrote: > > So, the big question is whether anyone is willing to maintain > > DSPAM. It seems as if Jonathan Zdziarski has lost interest, but > > if no one else is willing to take over, nothing will get done. > > Any volunteers? The main requirements are time and enthusiasm, > > though development skills would be helpful too. > > Unfortunately we do not have the time to work on the software > itself, but if we can help by hosting something or being a > mirror, let me know. Thanks. :) However, hosting isn't an issue. It's easy to do with free services. What's needed are people -- developers and someone to accept maintainer duties. I'd volunteer, but I know I'm too random and inconsistent to be a dspam maintainer or core developer. My attention span isn't nearly long enough for that. However, I could set up project infrastructure, help people learn the new development processes, and provide occasional drive-by patches. -- Scott !DSPAM:1011,48fa2832150928484815377!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
Thiago Damas wrote: I just think that DSPAM was reached a stage that it work on 99% of sites. What it needs now its a fine-tuning of some behaviours. Nope - it is Spam Assassin. :-) Sad but true. -- Best regards, Proskurin Kirill !DSPAM:1011,48f60fa0150922109112021!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
I just think that DSPAM was reached a stage that it work on 99% of sites. What it needs now its a fine-tuning of some behaviours. On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Scott Scriven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * mourik jan heupink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Is there a fork? > > Not that I know of. > > However, it doesn't appear that the current system is producing > much progress... 19 months since the last release, and no > mechanisms to make new releases, track issues, or manage > contributions. Over the past ~5 years I've seen issues get > reported over and over and never get fixed, improvements > contributed but never included, and common use cases pretty much > ignored. Something isn't working here. > > If people are interested, I could set up the basic infrastructure > to help development move forward. It's pretty easy to do; the > hardest part is migrating the cvs history, and that's not really > difficult. Creating development policies is a bigger issue, like > how releases get created and how patches are reviewed/approved, > but I can at least make suggestions. > > Basically what I have in mind is launchpad for infrastructure, > and a "community-agile" approach for development. > >https://launchpad.net/+tour/index >http://people.ubuntu.com/~ianc/papers/community-agile/community-agile.html > > There are a lot of details, but some of the big things would be: > > - Feature branch-driven development, using a modern DVCS tool. > - Code reviews before merging. > - Bug tracking and blueprint tracking. > - Searchable, dynamic FAQ for user support. > - Automated testing wherever possible. > - Regularly-scheduled releases. > > I think all of these would help, but all I can provide is > infrastructure and suggestions. I don't have time to be actively > involved in the development, other than occasional drive-by > patches or reviews. The really important roles would belong to > other people. > >> Dspam is such a terrific piece of software, and ... >> It looks completely abandoned... > > I certainly haven't seen a better spam solution. DSPAM seems to > be the best and it's sad that it hasn't been active lately. > > > So, the big question is whether anyone is willing to maintain > DSPAM. It seems as if Jonathan Zdziarski has lost interest, but > if no one else is willing to take over, nothing will get done. > Any volunteers? The main requirements are time and enthusiasm, > though development skills would be helpful too. > > > -- Scott > > > > > !DSPAM:1011,48f60c4b150921464334662!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
Scott Scriven wrote: It's very possible I don't have the whole picture about DSPAM. I just know it's a good program and people have complained for a long time about its development mechanisms, so I suggested some options. I hope someone will help you.I not developer at all. I like dspam but I will not install it on our production mail server - just because if something happend - no one help. -- Best regards, Proskurin Kirill !DSPAM:1011,48f60b6d150929981154736!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 08:42:12AM -0600, Scott Scriven wrote: > So, the big question is whether anyone is willing to maintain > DSPAM. It seems as if Jonathan Zdziarski has lost interest, but > if no one else is willing to take over, nothing will get done. > Any volunteers? The main requirements are time and enthusiasm, > though development skills would be helpful too. Unfortunately we do not have the time to work on the software itself, but if we can help by hosting something or being a mirror, let me know. Marcel -- Marcel Knol iunxi B.V. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +31 88 5400500 direct: +31 88 5400510 fax: +31 88 5400501 mobile: +31 6 10750878 http://www.iunxi.nl !DSPAM:1011,48f60b07150921664163747!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
* Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ORLY? I need a little more context than that. I have no idea what part(s) of my message you're replying to. It's very possible I don't have the whole picture about DSPAM. I just know it's a good program and people have complained for a long time about its development mechanisms, so I suggested some options. -- Scott !DSPAM:1011,48f60a5d150921777230245!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
* mourik jan heupink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a fork? Not that I know of. However, it doesn't appear that the current system is producing much progress... 19 months since the last release, and no mechanisms to make new releases, track issues, or manage contributions. Over the past ~5 years I've seen issues get reported over and over and never get fixed, improvements contributed but never included, and common use cases pretty much ignored. Something isn't working here. If people are interested, I could set up the basic infrastructure to help development move forward. It's pretty easy to do; the hardest part is migrating the cvs history, and that's not really difficult. Creating development policies is a bigger issue, like how releases get created and how patches are reviewed/approved, but I can at least make suggestions. Basically what I have in mind is launchpad for infrastructure, and a "community-agile" approach for development. https://launchpad.net/+tour/index http://people.ubuntu.com/~ianc/papers/community-agile/community-agile.html There are a lot of details, but some of the big things would be: - Feature branch-driven development, using a modern DVCS tool. - Code reviews before merging. - Bug tracking and blueprint tracking. - Searchable, dynamic FAQ for user support. - Automated testing wherever possible. - Regularly-scheduled releases. I think all of these would help, but all I can provide is infrastructure and suggestions. I don't have time to be actively involved in the development, other than occasional drive-by patches or reviews. The really important roles would belong to other people. > Dspam is such a terrific piece of software, and ... > It looks completely abandoned... I certainly haven't seen a better spam solution. DSPAM seems to be the best and it's sad that it hasn't been active lately. So, the big question is whether anyone is willing to maintain DSPAM. It seems as if Jonathan Zdziarski has lost interest, but if no one else is willing to take over, nothing will get done. Any volunteers? The main requirements are time and enthusiasm, though development skills would be helpful too. -- Scott !DSPAM:1011,48f60149150928571811094!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
ORLY? On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 08:42 -0600, Scott Scriven wrote: > * mourik jan heupink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there a fork? > > Not that I know of. > > However, it doesn't appear that the current system is producing > much progress... 19 months since the last release, and no > mechanisms to make new releases, track issues, or manage > contributions. Over the past ~5 years I've seen issues get > reported over and over and never get fixed, improvements > contributed but never included, and common use cases pretty much > ignored. Something isn't working here. > > If people are interested, I could set up the basic infrastructure > to help development move forward. It's pretty easy to do; the > hardest part is migrating the cvs history, and that's not really > difficult. Creating development policies is a bigger issue, like > how releases get created and how patches are reviewed/approved, > but I can at least make suggestions. > > Basically what I have in mind is launchpad for infrastructure, > and a "community-agile" approach for development. > > https://launchpad.net/+tour/index > http://people.ubuntu.com/~ianc/papers/community-agile/community-agile.html > > There are a lot of details, but some of the big things would be: > > - Feature branch-driven development, using a modern DVCS tool. > - Code reviews before merging. > - Bug tracking and blueprint tracking. > - Searchable, dynamic FAQ for user support. > - Automated testing wherever possible. > - Regularly-scheduled releases. > > I think all of these would help, but all I can provide is > infrastructure and suggestions. I don't have time to be actively > involved in the development, other than occasional drive-by > patches or reviews. The really important roles would belong to > other people. > > > Dspam is such a terrific piece of software, and ... > > It looks completely abandoned... > > I certainly haven't seen a better spam solution. DSPAM seems to > be the best and it's sad that it hasn't been active lately. > > > So, the big question is whether anyone is willing to maintain > DSPAM. It seems as if Jonathan Zdziarski has lost interest, but > if no one else is willing to take over, nothing will get done. > Any volunteers? The main requirements are time and enthusiasm, > though development skills would be helpful too. > > > -- Scott > > > > > !DSPAM:1011,48f6030e150921262212464!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --On Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:45 PM -0600 Jeff Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Are you ever going to release a new version, or are we supposed to keep >> building from CVS? That doesn't work very well for ports and package >> maintainers. > > Yeah, the release policy seems non-existent. It'd be nice to actually *see* > a release with the various fixes that have been submitted in the past few > years. Given that this issue comes up every few months with no forward > momentum though, I'm not holding my breath on it. I'm going to third the sentiment. I would rather see multiple releases made even with just a few bugfixes in each, than wait ages for a large number of fixes to make it. Aiming for a release every month or two if there are changes and bugfixes worth releasing seems like a fairly good schedule, or sooner if any particularly critical bugs have crept in or neat features have gotten in. Before reach release, release a release candidate as well for people to download and try to catch any last minute bugs or regressions as well. Let that simmer for a week before making a final release. So the release process would go like this: 1. Either determine that it's about time for a release (either calendar time, or number of bug-fixes/enhancements). 2. Roll up a release candidate and announce it to the -users and -dev list for final testing. Hold off any changes except for bugfixes to the source repo. 3. If no major bugs found after a week, push out a new release. 4. Wash, rinse, repeat. -Dave !DSPAM:1011,48ee7e07150921224659169!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
--On Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:45 PM -0600 Jeff Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Are you ever going to release a new version, or are we supposed to keep building from CVS? That doesn't work very well for ports and package maintainers. Yeah, the release policy seems non-existent. It'd be nice to actually *see* a release with the various fixes that have been submitted in the past few years. Given that this issue comes up every few months with no forward momentum though, I'm not holding my breath on it. --Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Principal Software Engineer Zimbra, Inc Zimbra :: the leader in open source messaging and collaboration !DSPAM:1011,48ee6296150924048310515!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
Mick Johnson wrote:
Hey all,
Nope, not dead, although haven’t seen so many submissions come through
recently.
Cheers
mick
Hi all,
Is there a fork? I didn't know that. It would explain the (relative)
silence here. Dspam is such a terrific piece of software, and there is
so little traffic on this list. I have been wondering for ages WHY that
is. It looks completely abandoned...
We're supposed to send patches to the list?
Here's a patch to the postgresql driver that combines the patch from the
OpenBSD port and a little patch of mine to fix the following:
2008-09-22 12:32:41.851734500 WARNING: nonstandard use of
\\ in a string literal at character 135
2008-09-22 12:32:41.851745500 HINT: Use the escape string
syntax for backslashes, e.g., E'\\'.
2008-09-22 12:32:41.851755500 STATEMENT: INSERT INTO
dspam_signature_data (uid, signature, length,
created_on, data) VALUES (1, '48d7e4e0130171342116753', 1776,
CURRENT_DATE, '\\235&\\
Are you ever going to release a new version, or are we supposed to keep
building from CVS? That doesn't work very well for ports and package
maintainers.
Hope this gets applied!
Jeff Ross
!DSPAM:1011,48ee5f65150921202317127!
--- pgsql_drv.c.origTue May 6 12:25:44 2008
+++ pgsql_drv.c Thu Oct 9 13:36:52 2008
@@ -1147,7 +1147,7 @@
p = _pgsql_drv_getpwuid (CTX, uid);
if (!p) {
- LOG(LOG_CRIT, "_ds_get_signature(): _mysql_drv_getpwuid(%d) failed:
aborting", uid);
+ LOG(LOG_CRIT, "_ds_get_signature(): _pgsql_drv_getpwuid(%d) failed:
aborting", uid);
return EFAILURE;
}
username = strdup(p->pw_name);
@@ -1242,7 +1242,7 @@
mem = PQescapeBytea(SIG->data, SIG->length, &length);
snprintf (scratch, sizeof (scratch),
-"INSERT INTO dspam_signature_data (uid, signature, length,
created_on, data) VALUES (%d, '%s', %ld, CURRENT_DATE, '",
+"INSERT INTO dspam_signature_data (uid, signature, length,
created_on, data) VALUES (%d, '%s', %ld, CURRENT_DATE, E'",
(int)p->pw_uid, signature, SIG->length);
buffer_cat (query, scratch);
buffer_cat (query, (const char *) mem);
@@ -1406,7 +1406,7 @@
virtual_username,
virtual_table);
#else
-strcpy (query, "DECLARE dscursor CURSOR FOR SELECT DISTINCT uid FROM
dspam_stats");
+strlcpy (query, "DECLARE dscursor CURSOR FOR SELECT DISTINCT uid FROM
dspam_stats", sizeof (query));
#endif
result = PQexec(s->dbh, query);
!DSPAM:1011,48ee5f65150921202317127!
RE: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
Hey all, Nope, not dead, although haven’t seen so many submissions come through recently. Cheers mick Hi all, Is there a fork? I didn't know that. It would explain the (relative) silence here. Dspam is such a terrific piece of software, and there is so little traffic on this list. I have been wondering for ages WHY that is. It looks completely abandoned... !DSPAM:1011,48ee4cdd150924732829907!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
Hi all, Is there a fork? I didn't know that. It would explain the (relative) silence here. Dspam is such a terrific piece of software, and there is so little traffic on this list. I have been wondering for ages WHY that is. It looks completely abandoned... !DSPAM:1011,48ede37c150929956432518!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
Proskurin Kirill wrote: Julien Valroff wrote: Le mercredi 08 octobre 2008 à 18:06 +0200, Imposit.com - Webmaster a écrit : Hello everyone, Doest anyone know more about the Dpsam Project Status? Is it active? Just Paused or in reality Dead? Interested as well as the Interested too. How all this story with fork ends? The cutlery is being prepared. !DSPAM:1011,48edc2a1150921183247649!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
Julien Valroff wrote: Le mercredi 08 octobre 2008 à 18:06 +0200, Imposit.com - Webmaster a écrit : Hello everyone, Doest anyone know more about the Dpsam Project Status? Is it active? Just Paused or in reality Dead? Interested as well as the Interested too. How all this story with fork ends? -- Best regards, Proskurin Kirill !DSPAM:1011,48edb6fc150921489557813!
Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
Le mercredi 08 octobre 2008 à 18:06 +0200, Imposit.com - Webmaster a écrit : > Hello everyone, > > > > Doest anyone know more about the Dpsam Project Status? > > Is it active? Just Paused or in reality Dead? Interested as well as the -dev mailing list seems down for a while now... I have tried to subscribe again without success Cheers, Julien > !DSPAM:1011,48ecdcc5150926313438579!
