Viel� t�st� suojatusta maadoituksesta

2011-12-15 Thread Roland Sandberg
Tässä on taas tää yx juttu joka ei mene mulla ihan perille. Mitä tarkoittaa tuo 
että konkat poistetaan ja syötetään C-D Tarkoittaako tuo että vaippa ja 
kuuma karva ovat yhdessä? Jos niin on niin menee perille.  Muuten kyllä 
ymmärrän sitä juttua- se on vaan tuo yx juttu
Mitäs sit jos laittaa kovaan putkeen ja maadoittaa putken?? Kai se sit on 
suojattu maajohdin???
http://www.w8ji.com/coaxial%20currents/coaxial_line_and_shielded_wires.htm

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Re: [DX] Koksin maadoitus

2011-12-15 Thread jukka.virtanen
Tämä rookeri. Itselläni hyvä kokemus hieman helpommista ratkaisuista. Yksi 
esimerkki hamipuolelta ja tosin toisin päin, sillä joskus oma kasikympin 
signaali tärveli ktv-verkon kuvaa kaikesta normaaleista suodatuksista ja 
maadoituksista huolimatta. Lähettimen päähän sijoitettu rengaskuristin (toroidi 
koksikääminnällä) vaimensi lopulta säteilevän syöttöjohdon eikä se enää 
indusoinut ktv-verkkoon häiriötä.

T:JMV (OH1MAR)
 

Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:55:57 +0200
From: Martti Karimies
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Tervehdys,

kyllä tämäkin on asialistalla, sopivaa tekniikkaa on saatavilla
riittävästi.
Antennit, koksit ja RFI ovat tällä hetkellä vielä työn alla, sillä
puolella
olosuhteista ja hienoista mahdollisuuksista johtuen riittää
aina
mietittävää. Ja on hienoa, että Rolle on tutkinut
sovitusmuuntajia ja että
maadoituksesta on kirjoitettu niin paljon, vaikkei mitään
aivan uutta
olekaan tullut esiin.

Itse kallistun suojaamisessa Faradayn häkin käytön
suuntaan, kokemukset
esim. Lemmenjoella normaalivastaanottimien ja
Telefunkenin välillä
paljastivat aikoinaan kyllä mikä on hyvän RF suojauksen
merkitys.

MKA




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[DX] Avaruus(radio)tutkimusta

2011-12-15 Thread Tarmo Kontro
Moro kaikki;
Uusinta (avaruus)radiotekniikkaa I-tieteen laitoksella:
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Ohjelmistoradiohan siellä (myös) on otettu käyttöön!
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Käännepistettä (22.12. 05.30ut) odotellessa!

73,TK

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Re: [DX] Avaruus(radio)tutkimusta

2011-12-15 Thread Martti Karimies
Tervehdys kaikille,

kukahan järjestäisi meille reaaliaikaisen tiedon elektronitiheyksistä eri
osissa Skandinaviaa. Sen tiedon mukaan voidaan pediksillä vaihtaa antennia
tulevaisuudessa. Hyväsuhteinen henkilö nyt vain soittamaan laitokselle..

MKA

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Moro kaikki;
Uusinta (avaruus)radiotekniikkaa I-tieteen laitoksella:
http://ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/tiedote/459381 

Ohjelmistoradiohan siellä (myös) on otettu käyttöön!
Jokohan paljastuvat mm. elektronitiheyden salat muillekin kuin
mw-dx-kuuntelijoille ;-)

Käännepistettä (22.12. 05.30ut) odotellessa!

73,TK


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Re: [DX] Avaruus(radio)tutkimusta

2011-12-15 Thread Ilkka Martikainen
Elektronitiheyden kartta löytyy esim. IPS:n sivuilta (TEC = Total
Electron Content). Tätä tuo GPS-järjestelmä tarvitsee laskennassaan:
http://www.ips.gov.au/Satellite/2/1 tai
http://www.ips.gov.au/Satellite/2/2
Vastaava JPL:n sivuilla:
http://iono.jpl.nasa.gov/latest_rti_global.html.
73 de SDXL1398/OH5MD, Ilkka M.

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Moro kaikki;
Uusinta (avaruus)radiotekniikkaa I-tieteen laitoksella:
http://ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/tiedote/459381 

Ohjelmistoradiohan siellä (myös) on otettu käyttöön!
Jokohan paljastuvat mm. elektronitiheyden salat muillekin kuin
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Käännepistettä (22.12. 05.30ut) odotellessa!

73,TK


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Re: [DX] Avaruus(radio)tutkimusta

2011-12-15 Thread Martti Karimies
Tervehdys kaikille,

näitä onkin tullut katseltua aika usein pelipaikalla Lapissa. Tästä
elektronien vaikutuksesta ja kelien ennustamisesta pidin Haapavedellä 2010
kattavan esityksen, kuulijoita valitettavasti oli vain kourallinen.  

MKA

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Elektronitiheyden kartta löytyy esim. IPS:n sivuilta (TEC = Total
Electron Content). Tätä tuo GPS-järjestelmä tarvitsee laskennassaan:
http://www.ips.gov.au/Satellite/2/1 tai
http://www.ips.gov.au/Satellite/2/2
Vastaava JPL:n sivuilla:
http://iono.jpl.nasa.gov/latest_rti_global.html.
73 de SDXL1398/OH5MD, Ilkka M.

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Moro kaikki;
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http://ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/tiedote/459381 

Ohjelmistoradiohan siellä (myös) on otettu käyttöön!
Jokohan paljastuvat mm. elektronitiheyden salat muillekin kuin
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Käännepistettä (22.12. 05.30ut) odotellessa!

73,TK


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Re: [DX] Avaruus(radio)tutkimusta

2011-12-15 Thread Martti Karimies
Tervehdys kaikille,

aineistoa ei ole julkaistu se on kuitenkin vielä muistitikulla tallessa.
Halukkaat, se kourallinen,  saavat aineiston suoraan minulta. Aika usein
nämä tulokset koskettavat vain muutamaa kuuntelijaa joilla on niihin
mielenkiintoa. Meillä on ollut Tarmon kanssa hedelmällisiä keskusteluja jo
vuosia näistä aiheista ja myöskin intoa tutkia ilmiöitä empiirisesti. 

MKA



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Terve,

Onko keliennustusesityksesi ehkä julkaistu jossakin, niin että poissa 
ollut kourallinenkin voisi vielä tutustua siihen?

JTS

- - -
On 15.12.2011 16:34, Martti Karimies wrote:
 Tervehdys kaikille,

 näitä onkin tullut katseltua aika usein pelipaikalla Lapissa. Tästä
 elektronien vaikutuksesta ja kelien ennustamisesta pidin Haapavedellä 2010
 kattavan esityksen, kuulijoita valitettavasti oli vain kourallinen.

 MKA

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 Lähetetty: 15. joulukuuta 2011 15:47
 Vastaanottaja: 'Suomalaisten DX-lista'
 Aihe: Re: [DX] Avaruus(radio)tutkimusta

 Elektronitiheyden kartta löytyy esim. IPS:n sivuilta (TEC = Total
 Electron Content). Tätä tuo GPS-järjestelmä tarvitsee laskennassaan:
 http://www.ips.gov.au/Satellite/2/1 tai
 http://www.ips.gov.au/Satellite/2/2
 Vastaava JPL:n sivuilla:
 http://iono.jpl.nasa.gov/latest_rti_global.html.
 73 de SDXL1398/OH5MD, Ilkka M.

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 [mailto:dx-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] Puolesta Tarmo Kontro
 Lähetetty: 15. joulukuuta 2011 15:03
 Vastaanottaja: Suomalaisten DX-lista
 Aihe: [DX] Avaruus(radio)tutkimusta

 Moro kaikki;
 Uusinta (avaruus)radiotekniikkaa I-tieteen laitoksella:
 http://ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/tiedote/459381

 Ohjelmistoradiohan siellä (myös) on otettu käyttöön!
 Jokohan paljastuvat mm. elektronitiheyden salat muillekin kuin
 mw-dx-kuuntelijoille ;-)

 Käännepistettä (22.12. 05.30ut) odotellessa!

 73,TK

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Today's Topics:

   1. Glenn Hauser logs December 13-14, 2011 (Glenn Hauser)
   2. Logs in Lanzarote, Canary Islands (Manuel M?ndez)
   3. Shortwave Radio Logs from WDX6aa (Stewart MacKenzie)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:26:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Glenn Hauser wghau...@yahoo.com
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Cc: s...@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [HCDX] Glenn Hauser logs December 13-14, 2011
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** ALBANIA. 5985, Dec 14 at 0620, poor signal with songs, Arabic comments 
interspersed, from what? Clues at 0626, mentions Turkey, RMB, 0632 Xinhua, ID 
starting with ``Idha`at``. Then it dawns on me it must be CRI // 7210 via 
Albania, then confirmed, tho the music did not strike me as Chinese at all. 
Both are 150 kW, 240 degrees from C?rrik at 05-07. At 0632 there was already 
QRM from adjacent DentroCuban pulse jamming on 5980, gradually ramping up 
before R. Mart? starts at 0700 (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** ANGUILLA [non]. 6090, Dec 14 at 0635, Caribbean Beacon is off, uncovering 
usual het between presumed Nigeria and Brasil, still no chance for the 
Uruguayan reported testing recently but unlikely to be on at this hour anyway. 
CB 11775 back on at 1355 check with DGS (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** BULGARIA. 7400, Dec 14 at 0604, strong open carrier, some very weak 
modulation underneath it, then the carrier cuts off. YL talking, bits of Bach, 
0610 Beethoven theme opening another program. Nothing but R. Bulgaria 
scheduled, and here`s what must be happening:

Aoki and EiBi show daily at 0600-0630 R. Bulgaria in Turkish, 170 kW, 126 
degrees from Plovdiv; 0630-0700 German, 170 kW, 306 degrees. As we already 
know, RB kilowastes kilowatts turning on its transmitter long before scheduled 
German at 0630 (and indeed it was back on by 0620 if not sooner). So R. 
Bulgaria was interfering with itself, two transmitters on from same site, 
aiming exactly opposite direxions, Bulgarians vs Bulgarians! (Glenn Hauser, OK, 
DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** CHINA. Firedrake Dec 14, before 1400: NONE found 7-18 MHz at 1356-1400. Has 
there really been a drastic reduxion in this jamming, or is it just 
propagation? (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** CUBA [and non]. 15380, Dec 14 at 1404, RHC has CCI in unknown language 
producing rippling (rather rapid) SAH (subaudible heterodyne). Must be BSKSA 
Arabic, scheduled in HFCC only at 12-14, 310 degrees from Riyadh, to CIRAF 39N, 
i.e. Turkey, but 500 kW carrying on far beyond. Aoki shows HQS rather until 
1355, apparently running this transmitter overtime (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX 
LISTENING DIGEST)

** FRANCE [and non]. 7220, Dec 14 at 0601, English news about Li?ge.
 5925, Dec 14 at 0618, RFI French news, much stronger than // 7390.
17690 via GUIANA FRENCH, Dec 14 at 1401, RFI Spanish news; 17620 and 15300 with 
French news. So no RFI Musique fill heard at any of these chex, but that does 
not necessarily mean the strike is over (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** ITALY. 7165-LSB, Dec 14 at 0555, bigsig from ham speaking English in very 
strange accent I could not place. Mentioned KL7 so thought maybe Inuit, but 
that must have been a contact; finally ID as I2VRN. QRZ.com shows: 
ROBERTO VERANI
VIA PAGLIARI BIVIO 6
I-26049 STAGNO LOMBARDO, CREMONA
Italy
(Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** OKLAHOMA. 89.5 stereo FM carrier: I have continued to hear this whenever I 
am driving around in Enid, strongest on the west side of town. One midday it 
was stronger around the First Assembly of God church at the intersexion of 
Oakwood and Chestnut, but I could not pinpoint it there for sure.

Then in the evening, UT 

[HCDX] Glenn Hauser logs December 15, 2011

2011-12-15 Thread Glenn Hauser
** ANGUILLA. 6090, Caribbean Beacon/University Network is missing again 
tonight, UT Dec 15 at 0344, audiblizing ETHIOPIA, q.v. Day frequency 11775 is 
still heard around 1337 tuneby. Could be it`s stuck there 24 hours, as happens 
periodically, but not propagating at night. Or does it still go off circa 2200? 
(Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** ANTARCTICA. 15476, Dec 15 at 1339 and 1442, no trace of a carrier from LRA36 
during its last known hours of 13-15 Thursdays (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING 
DIGEST)

** BELARUS [non]. 6155, Dec 15 at 0426 strong signal in funny Russian 
repeatedly mentioning Belarus, and very good modulation too. So is it R. 
Belarus, as used at 17-23 for external service? No! It`s R. Liberty, via 
Wertachtal, GERMANY at 04-05 in Belorussian (also 03-04 via Lampertheim), a 
neat setup to `inherit` Minsk`s listeners the next morning: 0431 ID in passing 
as R. Svoboda. Strangely enough, Belarus` own 6155 schedule is missing from 
EiBi, but not from Aoki or HFCC (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** CHAD. 6165, Dec 15 at 0428, RN Bonaire has just gone off, so now we hear 
hilife music, fast SAH from some CCI, Zambia? Or BBC Cyprus in Persian. 0430 
French, more music, from RNT, which supposedly just signed on at 0427, but 
lately has been running 24 hours. Currently there is a sesquihour window until 
Bonaire is back on 6165 at 0600 (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** CHINA. For the fourth day, no Firedrake at all to be heard! Is anyone, 
anywhere, hearing FD at anytime? Dec 15 searched 7-19 MHz at 1335-1345 and 
1440-1445. Maybe Sound of Hope has quit running all those 100-watt nuisance 
transmitters (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** CUBA. 13670, Dec 15 at 1439 and also after 1500: today`s anomaly from RHC, 
this frequency is missing tho scheduled until 1600 (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX 
LISTENING DIGEST) See also IRAN

** EGYPT. 6270, Dec 15 at 0425, huge S9+25 signal from R. Cairo, but just 
barely modulated with Qur`an. It`s listenable by turning the volume all the way 
up, but more modulation, less signal would be more efficient, and never forget 
to turn the volume down before tuning away from the frequency. Gone after 0430. 
HFCC shows this is 200 kW, 325 degrees from Abis, including English to E NAm at 
2300-2430, and furthermore exactly same parameters at 1800-2245 to Europe in 
Italian, German, French, English 2115-2245 (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING 
DIGEST)

** ETHIOPIA. 6090, Dec 15 at 0344, like 21 hours earlier, Anguilla is missing 
(stuck on non-propagating day frequency 11775? Or just off the air), so instead 
we can hear Horn of Africa music; and no het either like after 0600 from 
off-frequency Nigeria and/or Brasil. 0352 starts talking in presumed Amharic, 
but signal is weakening vs QRM; 0400 reverbed announcement, ululations. 
Presumed Amhara State Radio, as in EiBi at 0255-0600, which strangely enough is 
missing from Aoki, and naturally missing from HFCC. WRTH 2011 says 100 kW, site 
is Geja, and this Amhara State Regional Radio is in Bahir Dar (Glenn Hauser, 
OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** INDIA. 9425, AIR National Channel from Bangaluru, Dec 15 at 1424 has good 
signal and modulation in Hindi, but // 9470 from Aligarh is JBM (just barely 
modulated) as I can tell on weaker signal, despite splash from 9479 WTWW. I 
listen for the 5-minute English newscast at 1430: soon after it starts there is 
a semiminute of dead air where apparently a clip of the Chief Minister was 
supposed to go, then about Indian-Russian coöperation; food inflation in India 
is at a 4-year low. Caster speaks too rapidly but fortunately with good dixion; 
can`t decide if the voice is M or F, androgyny being ideal to appeal to all 
audiences. 1435 back into Hindi, music and talk (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING 
DIGEST)

** INDONESIA [and non]. 9526-, Dec 15 at 1425, VOI poor signal with low 
modulation apparently in Indonesian; the 9530 Chinese radio war ends at 1400, 
making the 13-14 English useless, not audible in months, but now VOI is so low 
that splash from 9520 RVA Philippines in Tamil is bothersome (but would end at 
1427). 

9680, meanwhile, Dec 15 at 1426, RRI domestic relay has much better signal and 
modulation during gamelan, but heavy CCI from Taiwan/China; also one of the 
QRMing stations is putting talking clix on 9680, as well as spikes on 9675 and 
9685 (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** IRAN [and non]. 7200, Dec 15 at 0333, V. of Justice with Qur`an as always in 
the first few minutes of VIRI transmissions, atop CCI presumably Sudan which 
was here first on this bandedge frequency making SAH of about 4 Hz; // 7365 is 
stronger with Qur`an, but much heavier interference from the Cuban-American 
radio war; while if VIRI really tried, they could find two clear frequencies 
this hour on the 7 MHz band, but don`t expect any improvement before A-12. 0335 
English translation of Qur`an, 0336 YL with program summary, V. of Justice ID, 
0337 

[HCDX] FW: FRSH Seasonal Broadcast Sun Dec. 18th 2011

2011-12-15 Thread tom taylor
Dear FRS Friends,

I N V I T A T I O N   

Following successful December broadcasts in the past few years (but also
long time ago), FRS-Holland will again take to the airwaves over 
the X-Mas Holiday Season.
December 18th we will continue a long time tradition. On that day FRSH will
be on 7600//5800 kHz between 07:52- 14:00 CET. 
After close down, the full programming will be repeated via the internet
between 15:52- 22:00 CET:  http://nednl.net:8000/frsh.m3u
http://nednl.net:8000/frsh.m3u . 
Pxs will be presented by Jan van Dijk doing the German show  Dave Scott
will be playing classic rock. Both shows contain radio related 
items. Paul Graham will be hosting another classic FRS Golden Show playing
great 60s/ 70s stuff as well as a feature on a land based  pirate 
radio station from years gone by. Peter Verbruggen will look back to what
happened in the past on December 18th (Day Calendar) and plays a 
mix of 80s/90s/00s records in FRS Magazine. He will also host two FRS Goes
DX editions with the latest news from the wonderful world of wireless. 
During all pxs we will read out October mail and Season's Greetings. There's
also the Phrase that Pays. And: we make a flash back to December 1988
when FRS-Holland was on the air with a Seasonal broadcast. Remeniscing23
years ago.
Tune in next Sunday and taste the spirit of December!! It will be worth
while.


73s, Peter V. (on behalf of the FRS staff)






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[HCDX] Shortwave Radio Logs from WDX6AA

2011-12-15 Thread Stewart MacKenzie

ARGENTINA   Radio Nacional - RAE   11715  2142 GMT  Spanish  333  Dec 15  Two 
OMs with comments.    MacKenzie-CA..


CANADA   Radio Canada Intl - RCI   11845  2145 GMT  French  333  Dec 15  OM 
with comments plus a YL at times with comments.    MacKenzie-CA..

CHINA   China Radio Intl - CRI   9425  Chinese  333  Dec 15  YL singing then an 
OM with comments 1930 GMT.    MacKenzie-CA..

JAPAN   Radio Japan - NHK   11910  2154 GMT  Japanese  433  Dec 15  YL and OM 
with comments. YL singing 2155 GMT.  //13640 [333].    MacKenzie-CA..

NORTH MARIANAS   Radio Free Asia - RFA   9355  1925 GMT  Chinese  444  Dec 15  
YL and OM with comments. OM with comments 1933 GMT.  YL and OM with comments 
1940 GMT.  //9455[444], 9905[444] via Palua, 9870[333] via Palau, 11900[333] 
via No Mariannas.
MacKenzie-CA..

PALAU   WHRI  9985  1944 GMT  English  433  Dec 15  YL with comments followed 
by a YL  singing.    MacKenzie-CA..

PORTUGAL   Voice of Germany Relay - DW   11865  2149 GMT  English  433  Dec 15  
YL with comments on urban areas.    MacKenzie-CA..

UNKNOWN   12020  2205 GMT  Japanese  433  Dec 15   YL and OM with comments.  
Possible Japan???    MacKenzie-CA..

Merry Christmas to all my hobby friends.

Stewart MacKenzie, WDX6AA

Huntington Beach, California, United States of America

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