[DX-CHAT] EU-113 Elaphonisos Island

2008-06-05 Thread mike giddings
Did anyone hear or work  a SV/DL---/M station on 14260 around 14.15 UTC on 
Wednesday 4 June 2008? He was operating on top of the TC2T pile up. I had been 
calling the TC2T station who at that time was quite weak with  me when the SV 
station came back and worked me. At the time I thought it was TC2T but only 
realised when he gave his mobile QTH as Elaphonisos Is Greece.I was unable to 
get his German call. Can anyone help?
  Thanks and 73
  Mike Giddings G3XLB

   

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Radio Procedure-on phone

2008-06-05 Thread Norm Gertz

Daveyou have hit the nail on the head...

When you talk about radio operating procedures in past years where traffic 
nets abounded and circuit discipline was entirely different you are in 
another generation.  When WWII evolved thousands of amateur radio operators 
enlisted and were quickly pounding a key with a minimum of training.  This 
could never happen today.


Unknown to many of the more recent hams is that the Q signals were used by 
net participants to cut down on time expended to send the entire item in 
code.


We will probably never see those activities again.the military does not 
even bother with CW these days..new radios do not even have a key jack 
nor do the present day communicators even know the code.  This is the 
digital battlefield now...


At least we still have our memories.

73   Norm   K1AA
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In the past, using the phrase break, break, break--called a triple 
break--was supposed to only occur in an emergency.  This comes from net 
operating procedures mainly.  Otherwise, you would just say break, break 
if you wanted to be recognized, but not for emergency purposes. 
Nonetheless, a single break is often used to request recognition.  The 
term break, spoken only once, is also intended to indicated a separation 
between parts.  For example, when passing a message, there will often be 
heard the term break after the address of the person for whom the 
message is intended, but prior to the actual text.  The military similarly 
used the word break as a separator between parts.  Another example is 
that a net control station might use the term break to clearly indicate 
the end of one task or communication, and the beginning of another.


Net operating procedures are not all that familiar to most hams these days 
as there are not very many nets left.  There was a time when I was very 
active in net operations, and there were lots of nets in which to 
participate.  Most were run under very strict procedures.  The ones I hear 
today are much less formal for the most part.  Perhaps the MARS nets still 
in operation are run more formally, but only a handful of others seem to 
retain that kind of net discipline.  But net operations used to be 
primarily for the purpose of passing traffic, whereas now most of them 
are just a regularly scheduled event where people show up, and perhaps 
take their turn at a short, informal transmission.


So, I don't think the documented procedures have necessarily changed, but 
the actual practice of these procedures has moderated substantially.


Dave W7AQK


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The line Break, Break, Break appears in The New Technician Class FCC 
License Preparation, Third Edition, which contained the July 1, 1990 326 
Question Pool.  Gorden West, WB6NOA is credited, and it was Developed and 
Published by Master Publishing, Inc., and distributed by Radio Shack.  I 
quote from page 41:


3AB-2-1-2 Why should users of a station in repeater operation pause 
briefly between transmissions?

A. To check the SWR of the repeater
B. To reach for pencil and paper for third party traffic
C. To listen for any hams wanting to break in
D. To dial up the repeater's autopatch

ANSWER C: A repeater is like a party linethere may be others who may 
wish to use the system.  In an emergency, stations may break in saying 
Break, Break, Break.  Give up the channel immediately.  Always leave 
enough time between picking up the conversation for other stations to 
break in.  It's a pause that may refresh someone else's day in an 
emergency.


I don't necessarily agree with Gordo, but the first time I saw it in 
print was in one of his manuals.


vy 73, Mike

Jim Abercrombie wrote:
Also, in what book does it say the term break, referring to a VHF 
repeater, mean emergency?  All of that is perfect nonsense.

Jim



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