Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] LotW Support by ARRL Officials Officers ...
Bill wrote: I would venture to say that some of the 26 do not have HF equipment or get on HF at all... Bill W4WX All the more reason they should NOT be claiming to represent the Radio Amateur! -- _____ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ CRUSTY OLD CURMUDGEON, AND PROUD OF IT -- Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news@njdxa.org THE DXR is sponsored by the North Jersey DX Association. Please visit our website: http://www.njdxa.org/index.php scroll to bottom for subscribe/unsubscribe options -- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] LotW Support by ARRL Officials Officers ...
At 1/25/06 07:26 AM - Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Here is an interesting analysis of Logbook of the World participation by key ARRL officers and Directors done by AB5K. It is a sad commentary to see several well-known and active amateurs who can't even support Logbook of the World enough to upload their own logs. Perhaps this indicates why LotW has still not received the resources necessary to properly promote it outside the US and integrate awards beyond DXCC (and now WAS in part) on a timely basis. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: Terry Gerdes [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:41 AM To: 'RTTY List' Subject: Re: [RTTY] thats very sad Gert Hi all, I find it very alarming that 66 percent of out ARRL officials do not use LOTW. Even the ARRL Chief Technology Officer: Paul Rinaldo, W4RI is not a LOTW user. Are these folks no longer hams? Are they too busy? Either way, perhaps they should not be representing our interests at the League. Here are the details: Source of ARRL Officials: http://www.arrl.org/divisions/ Souce of LOTW users: http://rchalmas.users.ch/lotw/ The following 13 ARRL officials are using LOTW: President: Joel Harrison, W5ZN First Vice President: Kay C. Craigie, N3KN Chief Executive Officer: David Sumner, K1ZZ Chief Operating Officer: Harold Kramer, WJ1B Atlantic Director: William C. Edgar, N3LLR Great Lakes Director: Jim Weaver, K8JE Midwest Director: Wade Walstrom, W0EJ Midwest Vice Director: Bruce Frahm, K0BJ New England Director: Tom Frenaye, K1KI Roanoke Director: Dennis Bodson, W4PWF Southwestern Vice Director: Edward J. Ned Stearns, AA7A West Gulf Director: Coy C. Day, N5OK West Gulf Vice Director: Dr David Woolweaver, K5RAV The following 26 ARRL officials are NOT using LOTW (Please remember them in your votes): Second Vice President: Rick Roderick, K5UR International Affairs Vice President: Rod Stafford, W6ROD Treasurer: James McCobb Jr., K1LU Chief Financial Officer: Barry J. Shelley, N1VXY Chief Development Officer: Mary Hobart, K1MMH Chief Technology Officer: Paul Rinaldo, W4RI Atlantic Vice Director: Tom Abernethy W3TOM Central Director: George R. Isely, W9GIG Central Vice Director: Howard S. Huntington, K9KM Dakota Director: Jay Bellows, K0QB Dakota Vice Director: Twila Greenheck, N0JPH Delta Director: Henry R. Leggette, WD4Q Great Lakes Vice Director: Gary L. Johnston, KI4LA Hudson Director: Frank J. Fallon, N2FF Hudson Vice Director: Joyce Birmingham, KA2ANF New England Vice Director: Mike Raisbeck, K1TWF Northwestern Director: Jim Fenstermaker, K9JF Northwestern Vice Director: William J. Sawders, K7ZM Pacific Director: Bob Vallio, W6RGG Pacific Vice Director: Andy Oppel, N6AJO Roanoke Vice Director: Rev Leslie Shattuck, K4NK Rocky Mountain Director: Warren G. Rev Morton, WS7W Rocky Mountain Vice Director: Brian Mileshosky, N5ZGT Southeastern Director: Frank M. Butler Jr, W4RH Southeastern Vice Director: Sandy Donahue, W4RU Southwestern Director: Richard J. Norton, N6AA 73 Terry - AB5K -- Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news@njdxa.org THE DXR is sponsored by the North Jersey DX Association. Please visit our website: http://www.njdxa.org/index.php scroll to bottom for subscribe/unsubscribe options -- First the site used for the Souce [sic] of LOTW users: http://rchalmas.users.ch/lotw/ clearly stats that (T)his is not an official list, as the ARRL never considered releasing such a list as useful. This is a compilation of information from many sources... So no one really knows if any of the 26 ARRL officials are NOT using LOTW are really not using LOTW or just haven't been found to be by one of the sources used to compile the users list. Also the list of ARRL Officials is not very accurate therefore neither are the statistics. Just two examples would be Bill Moore, NC1L DXCC branch manager is not listed on either list and I would bet he uses LOTW. According to QRZ.com Barry J. Shelley, N1VXY is a Technician Class licensee so I would say he would probably have no reason to use LOTW. It can be argued that statistics don't lie, bad sources and poor methodology certainly don't tell the truth. 73 Good DX James Shryne, N6DHZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.scdxc.org / www.n6dhz.com International DX Convention www.dxconvention.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] LotW Support by ARRL Officials Officers ...
At 1/25/06 10:32 AM - w2agn wrote: Bill wrote: I would venture to say that some of the 26 do not have HF equipment or get on HF at all... Bill W4WXAll the more reason they should NOT be claiming to represent the Radio Amateur! So if you don't do HF you are not qualified to represent amateurs? In looking at W2AGN's Web site I don't see any EME or microwave equipment. So since he doesn't participate in every possible aspect of amateur radio does his opinion count? The answer is yes just like not doing HF doesn't preclude you from holding an ARRL position. 73 Good DX James Shryne, N6DHZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.n6dhz.com http://www.sasquatchnet.org International DX Convention www.scdxc.org/visalia
Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] LotW Support by ARRL Officials Officers ...
I must say I got great support by Wayne Mills, N7NG when I installes LOTW. I think its a great tool, although I loike it to collect the original QSLs... 73 Franz, DK1II, ZL2III"James Shryne, N6DHZ" [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: At 1/25/06 07:26 AM - Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Here is an interesting analysis of Logbook of the World participationby key ARRL officers and Directors done by AB5K.It is a sad commentary to see several well-known and active amateurswho can't even support Logbook of the World enough to upload theirown logs. Perhaps this indicates why LotW has still not received theresources necessary to properly promote it outside the US and integrateawards beyond DXCC (and now WAS in part) on a timely basis.73, ... Joe, W4TV-Original Message-From: Terry Gerdes [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:41 AMTo: 'RTTY List'Subject: Re: [RTTY] thats very sad GertHi all,I find it very alarming that 66 percent of out ARRL officials do not useLOTW. Even the ARRL Chief Technology Officer: Paul Rinaldo, W4RI is nota LOTW user. Are these folks no longer hams? Are they too busy? Eitherway, perhaps they should not be representing our interests at the League.Here are the details:Source of ARRL Officials: http://www.arrl.org/divisions/Souce of LOTW users: http://rchalmas.users.ch/lotw/The following 13 ARRL officials are using LOTW: President: Joel Harrison, W5ZN First Vice President: Kay C. Craigie, N3KN Chief Executive Officer: David Sumner, K1ZZ Chief Operating Officer: Harold Kramer, WJ1B Atlantic Director: William C. Edgar, N3LLR Great Lakes Director: Jim Weaver, K8JE Midwest Director: Wade Walstrom, W0EJ Midwest Vice Director: Bruce Frahm, K0BJ New England Director: Tom Frenaye, K1KI Roanoke Director: Dennis Bodson, W4PWF Southwestern Vice Director: Edward J. "Ned" Stearns, AA7A West Gulf Director: Coy C. Day, N5OK West Gulf Vice Director: Dr David Woolweaver, K5RAVThe following 26 ARRL officials are NOT using LOTW (Please remember them inyour votes): Second Vice President: Rick Roderick, K5UR International Affair s Vice President: Rod Stafford, W6ROD Treasurer: James McCobb Jr., K1LU Chief Financial Officer: Barry J. Shelley, N1VXY Chief Development Officer: Mary Hobart, K1MMH Chief Technology Officer: Paul Rinaldo, W4RI Atlantic Vice Director: Tom Abernethy W3TOM Central Director: George R. Isely, W9GIG Central Vice Director: Howard S. Huntington, K9KM Dakota Director: Jay Bellows, K0QB Dakota Vice Director: Twila Greenheck, N0JPH Delta Director: Henry R. Leggette, WD4Q Great Lakes Vice Director: Gary L. Johnston, KI4LA Hudson Director: Frank J. Fallon, N2FF Hudson Vice Director: Joyce Birmingham, KA2ANF New England Vice Director: Mike Raisbeck, K1TWF Northwestern Director: Jim Fenstermaker, K9JF Northwestern Vice Director: William J. Sawders, K7ZM Pacific Director: Bob Vallio, W6RGG Pacific Vice Director: Andy Oppel, N6AJO Roanoke Vice Director: Rev Leslie Shattuck, K4NK Rocky Mountain Director: Warren G. "Rev" Morton, WS7W Rocky Mountain Vice Director: Brian Mileshosky, N5ZGT Southeastern Director: Frank M. Butler Jr, W4RH Southeastern Vice Director: Sandy Donahue, W4RU Southwestern Director: Richard J. Norton, N6AA73 Terry - AB5K--Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news@njdxa.orgTHE DXR is sponsored by the North Jersey DX Association.Please visit our website:http://www.njdxa.org/index.phpscroll to bottom for subscribe/unsubscribe options-- First the site used for the "Souce [sic] of LOTW users: http://rchalmas.users.ch/lotw/"clearly stats that "(T)his is not an official list, as the ARRL never considered releasing such a list as useful. This is a compilation of information from many sources..."So no one really knows if any of the "26 ARRL officials are NOT using LOTW" are really not using LOTW or just haven't been found to be by one of the sources used to compile the users list. Also the list of "ARRL Officials" is not very accurate therefore neither are the statistics. Just two examples would be Bill Moore, NC1L DXCC branch manager is not listed on either list and I would bet he uses LOTW. According to QRZ.com Barry J. Shelley, N1VXY is a Technician Class licensee so I would say he would probably have no reason to use LOTW.It can be argued that statistics don't lie, bad sources and poor methodology certainly don't tell the truth. 73 Good DX James Shryne, N6DHZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.scdxc.org / www.n6dhz.com International DX Convention www.dxconvention.org Telefonieren Sie ohne weitere Kosten mit Ihren Freunden von PC zu PC!Jetzt Yahoo! Messenger installieren!
[DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] LOTW
I don't know about anyone else but my reaction to LOTW is that it is just overly complicated! I have done many financial transactions on line. None of them was even nearly as complicated and difficult as LOTW. For now I'm not sure I want to be bothered. I've had a very low percentage of hits on the logs I've submitted to date. It seems to me that this system will not succeed unless they find ways to make it easier for users. 73, Steve W2KN -Original Message- From: Ron Notarius [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 21, 2005 10:01 PM To: Ted Melinosky [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] LOTW Has anyone asked ARRL about it? Ted, since you've got a connection with CQ, do you know if anyone from CQ has asked? Have you? I'm not trying to be a pain in the tuchus. But it seems relevant to inquire if anyone asked before wondering if ARRL has made it available. Or... has no one asked because everyone is waiting for an it's available announcement, and yet no announcement has been made yet because the folks up in Newington are waiting for someone to ask? Either way... remember, Logbook is just over a year old, and ARRL is still working on it. One wonders if we're rushing things here. Logbook will be with us a long, long time... seems to me that it's prudent to take our time and make sure it gets done right, including access by other organizations. Even if that means waiting awhile. 73 - Original Message - From: Ted Melinosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-news dx-news@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] [:dx-news:] LOTW Robert Dixon wrote: Does anybody know what other organizations accept LOTW, like CQ awards, etc. BTW, kudos to our Old European friends for the unveiling of the new Airbus. Wonder with all that gingerbread if they could squeeze a hamshack in! Bob, W8HGH Robert Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ham radio: The real internet since May, 1895 I think the question should be: has ARRL made LOTW available to other organizations for awards purposes? I don't think so at this time, though this may change. Ted Melinosky K1BV USA-CA Custodian (the County Award) for CQ Magazine -- Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news@njdxa.org THE DXR is sponsored by the North Jersey DX Association. Please visit our website: http://www.njdxa.org/index.php scroll to bottom for subscribe/unsubscribe options -- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] LOTW
Hello silberman, Saturday, January 22, 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote to dx-chat@njdxa.org: sen I don't know about anyone else but my reaction to LOTW is sen that it is just overly complicated! I have done many financial sen transactions on line. None of them was even nearly as sen complicated and difficult as LOTW. sen For now I'm not sure I want to be bothered. I've had a sen very low percentage of hits on the logs I've submitted to date. sen It seems to me that this system will not succeed unless sen they find ways to make it easier for users. sen Steve sen W2KN These are the WC1M's postings I've kept just for the cases like this :) --- from [Dick Green WC1M] [Permanent Link][Original] To: 'K3FT' [EMAIL PROTECTED],'CQ-CONTEST REFL' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] LotW - Needs More Participation From: Dick Green WC1M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 13:41:56 -0400 List-post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Online confirmation of identity is a complex subject. In the security biz, we call it authentication. The bottom line is that pure online authentication of identity is not possible without using certain special techniques. After all, anyone can logon to a website and claim to be someone else. You need something extra. One way to do it is by asking the user for some piece of information that he/she, and only he/she, is supposed to know -- such as a social security number, driver's license, credit card number, etc. This is the method used by the online financial institutions you mention. It requires that they somehow know your identifying information. If they permit you to supply the information over the Internet, the system is not very secure -- as demonstrated by the escalating nightmare of identity theft. A more secure method is to use an out-of-band (non-Internet) channel through which information can be passed. The channel is usually the mail or in-person. In other words, you have to either send the identifying information by mail, usually with your signature, or give it to them in person. Mail is less secure, of course, and neither method can resist determined attack. Still, it's better than pure online authentication. Once you send in the information, the rest of the transaction can take place over the Internet. This approach is more of a hassle, but you can't get the security without the hassle. This is a golden rule of security: there is a tradeoff between convenience and security (note this the next time you have to wait for screening before you get on an airplane.) Note that LoTW probably wouldn't be able to use these methods due to restrictions on who can verify your social security number, credit card number, driver's license, etc. For USA hams, LoTW uses the FCC database and U.S. Postal service as an out-of-band channel. The system relies on the fact that the address in the FCC database is the actual address of the person who holds the callsign and not the address of an identity impersonator. If not, then someone perpetrated a fraud on the U.S. Government -- which is a very low-probability event (most rational people wouldn't risk jail to get Honor Roll.) Once LoTW has the address, the password can be sent through the out-of-band channel (snail mail) to ensure that only the true holder of the callsign can get the certificate. Unfortunately, the same method can't be used for non-USA hams because most DX licensing authorities do not maintain online callsign/address databases. LoTW therefore requires a copy of the license and a government-issued identification document to complete the identification. Although the license could be faked, in theory it is much harder to fake a government ID and is a serious crime in most countries. This reduces the probability of fraud. The copies must be mailed in, not scanned and e-mailed, to verify that they come from the DXCC entity in question. No security system is perfect. However, LoTW has been designed to substantially reduce the probability of identity theft, to detect when it has occurred, and to recover (back out bogus data) when fraud is detected. Incidentally, the 128-bit encryption channel you mention has nothing to do with verifying identity. It's used to prevent someone from eavesdropping on the connection and stealing your identification information, user ID, password, etc. 73, Dick WC1M from [Dick Green WC1M] [Permanent Link][Original] To: 'Warren C. Stankiewicz' [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] A Lack of Focus? (Was LotW - Needs MoreParticipation) From: Dick Green WC1M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:57:51 -0400 List-post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] A few opinions of my own (not necessarily ARRL's): First of all, LoTW is not more strict than most well-engineered online financial systems. The person who wrote that was mistaken.
Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] LOTW
I know for a fact that the Airbus, or at least some models of it,DOES have a hamshack on board. Bob AA3FI is a pilot for USAir, er, USAirways, er, The Disappearing Airline.On occasion, he flies an Airbus equipped for overseas travel, and they do have HF capability. I've worked Bob on /Aeronautical Mobile 17 meters as have many others, and I have the QSL card to prove it! Might notbe much of a shack... but whatever works! 73 - Original Message - From: Robert Dixon To: dx-news Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: [DX-NEWS] [:dx-news:] LOTW Does anybody know what other organizations accept LOTW, like CQ awards, etc. BTW, kudos to our "Old European"friends for the unveiling of the new Airbus. Wonder with all that gingerbread if they could squeeze a hamshack in! Bob, W8HGH Robert Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ham radio: The real internet since May, 1895
Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] LOTW
Has anyone asked ARRL about it? Ted, since you've got a connection with CQ, do you know if anyone from CQ has asked? Have you? I'm not trying to be a pain in the tuchus. But it seems relevant to inquire if anyone asked before wondering if ARRL has made it available. Or... has no one asked because everyone is waiting for an it's available announcement, and yet no announcement has been made yet because the folks up in Newington are waiting for someone to ask? Either way... remember, Logbook is just over a year old, and ARRL is still working on it. One wonders if we're rushing things here. Logbook will be with us a long, long time... seems to me that it's prudent to take our time and make sure it gets done right, including access by other organizations. Even if that means waiting awhile. 73 - Original Message - From: Ted Melinosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-news dx-news@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] [:dx-news:] LOTW Robert Dixon wrote: Does anybody know what other organizations accept LOTW, like CQ awards, etc. BTW, kudos to our Old European friends for the unveiling of the new Airbus. Wonder with all that gingerbread if they could squeeze a hamshack in! Bob, W8HGH Robert Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ham radio: The real internet since May, 1895 I think the question should be: has ARRL made LOTW available to other organizations for awards purposes? I don't think so at this time, though this may change. Ted Melinosky K1BV USA-CA Custodian (the County Award) for CQ Magazine -- Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news@njdxa.org THE DXR is sponsored by the North Jersey DX Association. Please visit our website: http://www.njdxa.org/index.php scroll to bottom for subscribe/unsubscribe options -- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-News] LoTW is up!
To upload logs? Nada. For awards purposes? I don't think they've said yet, but my October QST hasn't come yet. 73, ron wn3vaw 46th Annual Pennsylvania QSO Party October 11 12! www.nittany-arc.org/paqso.html Look for N3SH - Allegheny County, WA3SH - Fayette County, and NP2SH -- US Virgin Islands! For more information see www.washarc.org - Original Message - From: Art RX9TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [DX-News] LoTW is up! Hello Jim, Monday, September 15, 2003 Jim Reisert AD1C wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: JRA http://www.arrl.org/lotw/ Can't find any fees mentioned. How much will it finally cost? -- 73...Art RX9TX16.09.2003 13:16 UTC Enjoy yourself. These are the good old days you're going to miss in the years ahead. -- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40njdxa.org -- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
