RE: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] Xpedition Recommendations
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, LA5HE Ragnar Otterstad wrote: But, they also added to the 'on-the-air' problems by wasting hours upon hours on 160, 80, 40 trying to work Europe after 0700Z when all of Europe is in bright sunlight. I beg to differ ! Up in this neck of the woods the low bands are peaking at that time. What you say may apply to southern Europe , which is a different world !!! 73 RAG Ragnar Otterstad LA5HE JW5HE OZ8RO 40 meters was excellent to northern EU during the last two hours of the ARRL DX Contest this past weekend. Actually southern EU, too. I put a few Italian stations in the log too. That was two hours before sunset here. I was impressed! 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] Xpedition Recommendations
To address N7MAL's points:(1): unenforceable(2): ARRL disallow credit for dxpeditions? What complete and utter claptrap. Go and have a word with yourself.Policing the idiots: Well I agree with you here, we seem to do little to try and catch these people. There was talk by G3SXW recently of setting up observation networks to try and DF the signals but that seems a tall order to me. The number of idiots in Europe seems to increase daily, and it's not just dxpeditions that get QRMed, it's any DX station. Most of the QRM signals seem to emanate from Eastern and Southern Europe. Most of the idiots do get bored and go away though. The first couple of days of the 3Y0X expedition there were a plethora of idiots, more on CW than on SSB. In short, I don't know how we cure that problem.Critique of operating schedule: well I take your point, but they were audible here well after sunrise. Power line noise prevents me hearing much on 80 and 160, but on 40 they were easily workable until 3-4 hours after sunrise, as is often that case at this part of the sunspot cycle. I think I worked them at about 0830 one morning on 40. You'll get a lot of comments from Europe saying they were working yet more Yanks or JAs when signals were peaking here,so I guess you can't please everyone.I think these guys did a great job: all that planning, expense and risk, 80k plus QSOs etc. The expedition was well worth the wait and thanks for #333.One question though. What happened to all the penguins? Do you have to pay extra for penguins? :-)Dave G0OILN7MAL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to make the following 2 xpedition recommendations: Number One: All National and International Amateur Radio Regulatory authorities immediately ban the use of the words UP LID during any Amateur Radio transmissions. Those 2 words need to be given the classification of the ultimate in profanity. Number Two: The ARRL immediately no longer should consider any xpeditions for DXCC or any other credit. I have been at this for roughly 50 years and this 3YØX xpedition has topped them all for BØZØ and MØRØN activities. It gets worse and worse with every xpedition. It is no longer a handful of guys trying to disrupt, it is a dozen(or more) per band. I've heard comments, and combinations of profane comments, I don't remember hearing even when I was in the Army. The guys who are doing this are not in a vacuum, we are not doing any policing, but instead good/nice guys are being 'sucked' into the fray.This xpedition also helped amplify some of the problems. Yes they did a 'bang-up' job, and yes they did it under horrible, grueling, conditions. But, they also added to the 'on-the-air' problems by wasting hours upon hourson 160, 80, 40 trying to work Europe after 0700Z when all of Europe is in bright sunlight. My special all-time favorite is the expedition trying to work CW during the ARRL CW contest. 73 c.c. N1DG 3YØX PilotMAL N7MALBULLHEAD CITY, AZhttp://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htmhttp://geocities.com/n7mal/Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.It's already tomorrow in Australia
Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] Xpedition Recommendations
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006, DAVE WHITE wrote: One question though. What happened to all the penguins? Do you have to pay extra for penguins? :-) Dave G0OIL I hope there were some around. I was at Dayton the year after the VP8SSI operation and one of the ops had a couple huge baggies of penguin feathers. He was giving them away one by one to anyone who worked the DXpedition, to attach to their QSL cards. Like a fool, I pased up the opportunity. It would be great for a repeat of that! 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] Xpedition Recommendations
If I remember correctly there is no wild life on Peter One Island. I think Bob said all the wild life is in the Shetland Islands for this trip. Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zack Widup Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:32 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] Xpedition Recommendations On Mon, 20 Feb 2006, DAVE WHITE wrote: One question though. What happened to all the penguins? Do you have to pay extra for penguins? :-) Dave G0OIL I hope there were some around. I was at Dayton the year after the VP8SSI operation and one of the ops had a couple huge baggies of penguin feathers. He was giving them away one by one to anyone who worked the DXpedition, to attach to their QSL cards. Like a fool, I pased up the opportunity. It would be great for a repeat of that! 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] Xpedition Recommendations
82 yrs old, 65 yrs a ham, sometime DX'er, no big gun, worked 3Y0X on 80m and 20m cw; my comments inserted below. At 11:28 PM 02/19/2006 +, you wrote: I would like to make the following 2 xpedition recommendations: Number One: All National and International Amateur Radio Regulatory authorities immediately ban the use of the words UP LID during any Amateur Radio transmissions. Those 2 words need to be given the classification of the ultimate in profanity. There have always been lids, idiots, and whatever. The words lid and up may be overused. There have been times in the heat of battle when I have forgotten to set myself split and called on the DX frequency. Some kind soul has sent ZT up and that has straightened me up like you can't believe - thank you. Number Two: The ARRL immediately no longer should consider any xpeditions for DXCC or any other credit. I have been at this for roughly 50 years and this 3YØX xpedition has topped them all for BØZØ and MØRØN activities. It gets worse and worse with every xpedition. It is no longer a handful of guys trying to disrupt, it is a dozen(or more) per band. I've heard comments, and combinations of profane comments, I don't remember hearing even when I was in the Army. The guys who are doing this are not in a vacuum, we are not doing any policing, but instead good/nice guys are being 'sucked' into the fray. For the most part the QRM was not all that bad - you could work them - but a couple of times it was malicious and continuous. Nonetheless, this is irrelevant as to whether DXCC credit or other awards should be given for a dxpedition. This xpedition also helped amplify some of the problems. Yes they did a 'bang-up' job, and yes they did it under horrible, grueling, conditions. But, they also added to the 'on-the-air' problems by wasting hours upon hours on 160, 80, 40 trying to work Europe after 0700Z when all of Europe is in bright sunlight. My special all-time favorite is the expedition trying to work CW during the ARRL CW contest. It was great that guys could work them even during the contest. 73 c.c. N1DG 3YØX Pilot MAL N7MAL BULLHEAD CITY, AZ http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm http://geocities.com/n7mal/ Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia 73, Bud, K9ZT Bud Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] Xpedition Recommendations
But, they also added to the 'on-the-air' problems by wasting hours upon hours on 160, 80, 40 trying to work Europe after 0700Z when all of Europe is in bright sunlight. I beg to differ ! Up in this neck of the woods the low bands are peaking at that time. What you say may apply to southern Europe , which is a different world !!! 73 " RAG " Ragnar Otterstad LA5HE JW5HE OZ8ROLocated in Telemark - Home of skiing.For more information about Telemark take a look at :www.visittelemark.com for more details. It was great that guys could work them even during the contest. Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.It's already tomorrow in Australia73,Bud, K9ZT Bud Morin[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] Xpedition Recommendations
From another perspective,I thought the 3Y0X ops were pretty darned good, and they were certainly the best ops on Peter 1 this week in fact, the best I've ever heard from there 8^). If you could hear them at all, the pileups were workable if youwere patientand used good technique. The "cops" were annoying as usual, but not more so this time than other times, and they are easily ignored. UP is sometimes helpful tothe guy who forgets what VFO he's on, and LID is a rather mild epithet compared to some of the others available. Unfortunately, we hear the other, nastier kind of "profanity" everywhere today, and while it's not pleasant, it's not as shocking on the radio as it once was. I still dislike it and find it an embarrassmentto hamradio, but it's nothing tostart cancelling DXCC credit over or getting excited about.. What's important is that we were all priveleged to be witnesses to a daring feat by some ofthemost courageous, intrepid DXpeditioners in amateur radio history. They honored us all. Peter 1 is not a vacation spot. It may well be one of the most dangerous, unpredictable environments on earth. All that would have been needed to turn this excellent adventure into a terrible disaster is for that storm to have continued and get worse, so the helicopter couldn't fly at all. Storms of that magnitude and intensity with high winds and huge seas that last for weeks... are very common in that area. Nobody should forget that every one of the 3Y0X guys put their LIVES on the line for this one. I thinkthey deserve a little more appreciation and a little less armchair whining. 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: N7MAL To: dx-news@njdxa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 6:28 PM Subject: [DX-NEWS] Xpedition Recommendations I would like to make the following 2 xpedition recommendations: Number One: All National and International Amateur Radio Regulatory authorities immediately ban the use of the words UP LID during any Amateur Radio transmissions. Those 2 words need to be given the classification of the ultimate in profanity. Number Two: The ARRL immediately no longer should consider any xpeditions for DXCC or any other credit. I have been at this for roughly 50 years and this 3YØX xpedition has topped them all for BØZØ and MØRØN activities. It gets worse and worse with every xpedition. It is no longer a handful of guys trying to disrupt, it is a dozen(or more) per band. I've heard comments, and combinations of profane comments, I don't remember hearing even when I was in the Army. The guys who are doing this are not in a vacuum, we are not doing any policing, but instead good/nice guys are being 'sucked' into the fray. This xpedition also helped amplify some of the problems. Yes they did a 'bang-up' job, and yes they did it under horrible, grueling, conditions. But, they also added to the 'on-the-air' problems by wasting hours upon hourson 160, 80, 40 trying to work Europe after 0700Z when all of Europe is in bright sunlight. My special all-time favorite is the expedition trying to work CW during the ARRL CW contest. 73 c.c. N1DG 3YØX Pilot MAL N7MALBULLHEAD CITY, AZhttp://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htmhttp://geocities.com/n7mal/Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.It's already tomorrow in Australia
