[DX-CHAT] Peter I
Kudus to the Peter I guys. Their operation was first class. It shows that K4UEE and K0IR are excellent organizers and planners. They did it and they did it right. I hate to say this as the flames will probably roll in but before criticizing what is wrong, I suggest you walk a mile in their shoes. I know when I am out on a DXpedition, and I have been on quite a few but nothing near as exotic as Peter I nor will I ever do one like that, what seems obvious on this end is not at all the case on the other end, the DXpedition end. They call the shots. It isn't going to be a case of their money, their equipment, their time, their sweat, their frostbite and your rules. It just doesn't work that way. Let the Peter I guys bask in the spotlight of an excellent DXpedition. Bravo Zulu! 73, Charlie, W0YG.. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Peter I
Mal: I am amazed you can sit here and tell them over there what they should have done. It isn't in the cards for that to happen. However you are certainly free to voice your opinion as I am mine. The bottom line is those guys gave lots of folks new ones on lots of bands. I hope you worked them everywhere you needed them. 73, Charlie, W0YG.. - Original Message - From: N7MAL [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charlie, W0YG [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DX-Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Peter I Charlie what you and many guys seemed to miss in my original posting was this sentence: Yes they did a 'bang-up' job, and yes they did it under horrible, grueling, conditions. I criticized one small segment of the xpedition, a part that rightfully or wrongfully, deserved criticism. I did not condemn the entire operation. The last time I looked The Constitution still allows me, and you, the right to express our opinions. I have been on the other side of the pileups and pileups most people reading this can ever comprehend. I was lucky and was in a warm tropical climate. If nothing else I have paid all my 'dues' to earn the right to be a little bit critical. Best 73 MAL N7MAL BULLHEAD CITY, AZ http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm http://geocities.com/n7mal/ Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia - Original Message - From: Charlie, W0YG To: DX-Chat Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 21:25 Subject: [DX-CHAT] Peter I Kudus to the Peter I guys. Their operation was first class. It shows that K4UEE and K0IR are excellent organizers and planners. They did it and they did it right. I hate to say this as the flames will probably roll in but before criticizing what is wrong, I suggest you walk a mile in their shoes. I know when I am out on a DXpedition, and I have been on quite a few but nothing near as exotic as Peter I nor will I ever do one like that, what seems obvious on this end is not at all the case on the other end, the DXpedition end. They call the shots. It isn't going to be a case of their money, their equipment, their time, their sweat, their frostbite and your rules. It just doesn't work that way. Let the Peter I guys bask in the spotlight of an excellent DXpedition. Bravo Zulu! 73, Charlie, W0YG.. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Peter I
At 19:21 02/20/06, Charlie, W0YG wrote: Mal: I am amazed you can sit here and tell them over there what they should have done. It isn't in the cards for that to happen. Hi Charlie, Mal (et al). Constructive comments such as mine and others obviously can't affect an operation that's finished, but what of the next guys who decide to spend their time and money to give The Deserving a New One? I can tell you for sure that if my next radio trip were to someplace more exotic than C6 in a couple of weeks, I'd sure as heck want every bit of information I could lay my hands on that would mean more Q's in my log and more happy campers on the big end of the pile. It may be a case of someone looking through these messages as they plan a trip and realizing that hey, yeah...that makes sense and badda-bing, next time they activate Upper Slobovia for the masses, perhaps the pile on 40 (or wherever) won't be as bad. When a group of dedicated adventurers decides to spend more than a half a million dollars on a trip like this, I'm guessing that they probably want to be as successful as they can be, with the most Q's and orderly piles, etc. To not analyze their successes (many) and one or two relatively small shortcomings is a mistake, IMHO. There are a lot of top-ten locations still in need of a visit, and I know if I were going to BS7, VU7, VU4, KP1, etc, I'd want to look at what needs to be done to get that rare a place into as many logbooks as possible. I will say, though, it was great to hear an operation that was done so well. They did a million things right for the most part and we should rightfully thank them for their hard work. To overlook the couple of weak spots and just congratulate the successes alone I think isn't being honest. It would likewise be wrong to say a DXpedition was a poor because of one or two factors ignoring all the good. - Peter W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Peter I
The last time I looked The Constitution still allows me, and you, the right to express our opinions. That's true but the constitution does not give you the right to express your opinion on this reflector. We have rules. Umm, I worked 3y0x on 80 meters. There... we're back on topic! Rich Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Peter I
Title: Re: [DX-CHAT] Peter I I'm right behind you on this, Urb. On the lists which I own/moderate, the free speech, censorship, and constitutional rights issues come up on occasion. I disabuse the complainants' notion that these lists are run as a democracy, especially if they spout profanity, politics, religion, or personal attacks. As Dictator For Life (albeit benevolent) in my groups, I have on rare occasion exercised MY right to delete and/or ban offending members with no rights of appeal. 73 de Fred K2FRD At 21:39 -0500 20/02/2006, Urb LeJeune wrote: The last time I looked The Constitution still allows me, and you, the right to express our opinions. That's true but the constitution does not give you the right to express your opinion on this reflector. We have rules. Urb
Re: [DX-CHAT] Peter I
In actuality, the constitution gives you the right to express yourself without fear of government involvement (censorship, imprisonment, etc) It does give the individual the right to express themselves on private property IE: you may hand out anti-government petitions on a public street, but you may not hand them out standing on my property. I have the right to refuse to allow you to so this. Anyway, I didn't work the 3Y on 80 meters (just to stay on topic) and that's all I have to say about that Forrest Gump Look for the 3 Steve's (in speedos) /KP2 May 19-21 work all 3 and be eligible for the coveted WAS (Worked All Steves) certificate suitable for framing On 20 Feb 2006 at 21:39, Urb LeJeune wrote: Date sent: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:39:20 -0500 To: DX-CHAT@njdxa.org From: Urb LeJeune [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [DX-CHAT] Peter I The last time I looked The Constitution still allows me, and you, the right to express our opinions. That's true but the constitution does not give you the right to express your opinion on this reflector. We have rules. Urb Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
