[Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited
Jim, The next release has an extra priority added, so I can deal with the band / mode combinations too. The rest is as you suggested, with priority given to the 'mode'. This stuff gets complicated! Paul At 01:43 PM 9/3/03 -0700, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: Thanks for the feedback. My prior analysis is included at the end for those who can't remember. I think it was Mel VE2DC who pointed out that there is an option to highlight unconfirmed new entities as if they are unworked, so #1 changes a little. Would it be nice to be fully configurable? Sure! Is it likely to happen? Probably not. The most requested switch seems to be to choose whether band spots have priority over mode spots, or vice versa (default right now is mode over band). So I hope Paul can fix the priority 3/4 problem (unworked band entity should have priority over worked mode entity), as well as add this new switch. This should satisfy 95% of the users. If you don't care about band or mode awards, go into your DXCC prefernces and turn these awards off. 73 - Jim AD1C I think I boiled the priorities down to three simple rules: 1. All-time never worked has the highest priority. 2. When both entities are unworked or both entities are worked but not confirmed, mode has priority over band. 3. When one entity is unworked and the other is worked but not confirmed, the unworked entity has priority over the worked entity. The priorities I suggested earlier seem to embody these requirements: 1 = never worked 2 = never worked mode 3 = never worked band 4 = unconfirmed mode 5 = unconfirmed band = Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.com PGP Fingerprint: D8E2 3D78 339F A7F1 8C13 1193 B5D1 4FB6 79D1 70DC ___ Dx4win mailing list Dx4win@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Paul van der Eijk (KK4HD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dx4win.com
[Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited
Hi Jim and all others Yes it makes sence Can the user define Band or Mode ? It should be implemented also best 73 de Jose CT1AOZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited I think I boiled the priorities down to three simple rules: 1. All-time never worked has the highest priority. 2. When both entities are unworked or both entities are worked but not confirmed, mode has priority over band. 3. When one entity is unworked and the other is worked but not confirmed, the unworked entity has priority over the worked entity. The priorities I suggested earlier seem to embody these requirements: 1 = never worked 2 = never worked mode 3 = never worked band 4 = unconfirmed mode 5 = unconfirmed band Does this make sense to everyone? 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.com PGP Fingerprint: D8E2 3D78 339F A7F1 8C13 1193 B5D1 4FB6 79D1 70DC ___ Dx4win mailing list Dx4win@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win
[Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited
As others have said, I might want to swap 2 and 3, 4 and 5. So, it must be a preference setting. Also, I might not want to see even black spots, much less gray, so would want to hide them as I do the gray ones. John, K2CIB - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited I think I boiled the priorities down to three simple rules: 1. All-time never worked has the highest priority. 2. When both entities are unworked or both entities are worked but not confirmed, mode has priority over band. 3. When one entity is unworked and the other is worked but not confirmed, the unworked entity has priority over the worked entity. The priorities I suggested earlier seem to embody these requirements: 1 = never worked 2 = never worked mode 3 = never worked band 4 = unconfirmed mode 5 = unconfirmed band Does this make sense to everyone? 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.com PGP Fingerprint: D8E2 3D78 339F A7F1 8C13 1193 B5D1 4FB6 79D1 70DC ___ Dx4win mailing list Dx4win@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win
[Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited
I doubt that Paul will ever make these colors user programmable for the priorities. I think the order you laid out for 1) never worked 2) never worked mode 3) never worked band will satisfy 90% of the DX community. The unconfirmed mode and band are neat touches, also. Paul spent a period of several months getting the never worked band as a reality, and that has helped me more than any other improvement in DX4WIN as getting bands worked for anyone chasing MIXED, PHONE, and CW (or RTTY) takes a lot of work without this improvement working properly. After a while there are not many never worked left. The logic used by DX4WIN is pretty straightforward and as best I can sort it out, depends on the priority order for the searches to be very quick (and it is). Yes, I agree with your order. I confirm DX to the ARRL requirements and do not care for having to work every band in all modes as that requires working Dxepeditions too many times, but there are those that want to work every band on both CW and Phone and RTTY. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 3:23 PM To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited I think I boiled the priorities down to three simple rules: 1. All-time never worked has the highest priority. 2. When both entities are unworked or both entities are worked but not confirmed, mode has priority over band. 3. When one entity is unworked and the other is worked but not confirmed, the unworked entity has priority over the worked entity. The priorities I suggested earlier seem to embody these requirements: 1 = never worked 2 = never worked mode 3 = never worked band 4 = unconfirmed mode 5 = unconfirmed band Does this make sense to everyone? 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.com PGP Fingerprint: D8E2 3D78 339F A7F1 8C13 1193 B5D1 4FB6 79D1 70DC ___ Dx4win mailing list Dx4win@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win
[Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited
Thanks for the feedback. My prior analysis is included at the end for those who can't remember. I think it was Mel VE2DC who pointed out that there is an option to highlight unconfirmed new entities as if they are unworked, so #1 changes a little. Would it be nice to be fully configurable? Sure! Is it likely to happen? Probably not. The most requested switch seems to be to choose whether band spots have priority over mode spots, or vice versa (default right now is mode over band). So I hope Paul can fix the priority 3/4 problem (unworked band entity should have priority over worked mode entity), as well as add this new switch. This should satisfy 95% of the users. If you don't care about band or mode awards, go into your DXCC prefernces and turn these awards off. 73 - Jim AD1C I think I boiled the priorities down to three simple rules: 1. All-time never worked has the highest priority. 2. When both entities are unworked or both entities are worked but not confirmed, mode has priority over band. 3. When one entity is unworked and the other is worked but not confirmed, the unworked entity has priority over the worked entity. The priorities I suggested earlier seem to embody these requirements: 1 = never worked 2 = never worked mode 3 = never worked band 4 = unconfirmed mode 5 = unconfirmed band = Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.com PGP Fingerprint: D8E2 3D78 339F A7F1 8C13 1193 B5D1 4FB6 79D1 70DC
[Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited
The message seems to be that one size doesn't fit all. I know that I have seen similar things to those reported here. Possibly it is because I didn't understand the details of how it actually works, but I found stations I wanted to work way low down in the priorities (i.e. my priorities did not match those which 6.02 has build in). 73 Stan, N3HS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 4:43 PM To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited Thanks for the feedback. My prior analysis is included at the end for those who can't remember. I think it was Mel VE2DC who pointed out that there is an option to highlight unconfirmed new entities as if they are unworked, so #1 changes a little. Would it be nice to be fully configurable? Sure! Is it likely to happen? Probably not. The most requested switch seems to be to choose whether band spots have priority over mode spots, or vice versa (default right now is mode over band). So I hope Paul can fix the priority 3/4 problem (unworked band entity should have priority over worked mode entity), as well as add this new switch. This should satisfy 95% of the users. If you don't care about band or mode awards, go into your DXCC prefernces and turn these awards off. 73 - Jim AD1C I think I boiled the priorities down to three simple rules: 1. All-time never worked has the highest priority. 2. When both entities are unworked or both entities are worked but not confirmed, mode has priority over band. 3. When one entity is unworked and the other is worked but not confirmed, the unworked entity has priority over the worked entity. The priorities I suggested earlier seem to embody these requirements: 1 =3D never worked 2 =3D never worked mode 3 =3D never worked band 4 =3D unconfirmed mode 5 =3D unconfirmed band =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.com PGP Fingerprint: D8E2 3D78 339F A7F1 8C13 1193 B5D1 4FB6 79D1 70DC ___ Dx4win mailing list Dx4win@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win
[Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited
--- Anthony R Gargano N2SS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pete, I would agree that a new mode should take precedence over a new band. However, this is not the situation that I have described. In what I have described an unconfirmed mode (not a new mode) is taking precedence over a new band. Perhaps, it is a matter of personal choice and Paul made a decision that an unconfirmed mode should take precedence over a new band. I think that an all-time new band *should* have priority over an unconfirmed mode. That makes good sense -- you would rather know it's something that you have NEVER worked before. However, I also think that when both mode-country and band-country are worked but neither is confirmed, that once again MODE should have priority over BAND, since there are fewer mode countries to work. I think this case is rare, however. So the first few priority levels work out as follows: 1 = never worked 2 = never worked mode 3 = never worked band 4 = unconfirmed mode 5 = unconfirmed band Does this make sense? The priorities above also interleave in a natural way. 73 - Jim AD1C = Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.com PGP Fingerprint: D8E2 3D78 339F A7F1 8C13 1193 B5D1 4FB6 79D1 70DC
[Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited
Agreed. If it were user definable, that 's how I would set it up for my own personal operating priorities. The interesting thing is that in the current release the color codes and numerical assignments imply those priorities but for whatever reason the program logic gives 4 precedence over 3. Tony N2SS At 03:27 PM 9/2/2003, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: --- Anthony R Gargano N2SS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pete, I would agree that a new mode should take precedence over a new band. However, this is not the situation that I have described. In what I have described an unconfirmed mode (not a new mode) is taking precedence over a new band. Perhaps, it is a matter of personal choice and Paul made a decision that an unconfirmed mode should take precedence over a new band. I think that an all-time new band *should* have priority over an unconfirmed mode. That makes good sense -- you would rather know it's something that you have NEVER worked before. However, I also think that when both mode-country and band-country are worked but neither is confirmed, that once again MODE should have priority over BAND, since there are fewer mode countries to work. I think this case is rare, however. So the first few priority levels work out as follows: 1 = never worked 2 = never worked mode 3 = never worked band 4 = unconfirmed mode 5 = unconfirmed band Does this make sense? The priorities above also interleave in a natural way. 73 - Jim AD1C = Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.com PGP Fingerprint: D8E2 3D78 339F A7F1 8C13 1193 B5D1 4FB6 79D1 70DC
[Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited
I think I boiled the priorities down to three simple rules: 1. All-time never worked has the highest priority. 2. When both entities are unworked or both entities are worked but not confirmed, mode has priority over band. 3. When one entity is unworked and the other is worked but not confirmed, the unworked entity has priority over the worked entity. The priorities I suggested earlier seem to embody these requirements: 1 = never worked 2 = never worked mode 3 = never worked band 4 = unconfirmed mode 5 = unconfirmed band Does this make sense to everyone? 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.com PGP Fingerprint: D8E2 3D78 339F A7F1 8C13 1193 B5D1 4FB6 79D1 70DC
[Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited
Jim, I understand your logic but it doesn't fit everybody. While I'm pretty serious about Mixed, Phone, and CW DXCC, I have never fully gotten into chasing band countries for the single band DXCC awards. I have = absolutely nothing against chasing band countries, it was just a personal choice I = made not to do it. I got my 5BDXCC back in 1984 before the ARRL kept band country records. When the single band awards came out I decided it was too much trouble = to round up all the cards and send them in again. Guess you could make the observation that I was just too lazy! =20 So, for me the following works best: 1 =3D Never Worked 2 =3D Never Worked Mode 3 =3D Unconfirmed Mode 4 =3D Never Worked Band 5 =3D Unconfirmed Band I think making it user configurable would be the best solution. That = way everybody is happy.=20 73, Dave, W0VX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 3:23 PM To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited I think I boiled the priorities down to three simple rules: 1. All-time never worked has the highest priority. 2. When both entities are unworked or both entities are worked but not confirmed, mode has priority over band. 3. When one entity is unworked and the other is worked but not confirmed, the unworked entity has priority over the worked entity. The priorities I suggested earlier seem to embody these requirements: 1 =3D never worked 2 =3D never worked mode 3 =3D never worked band 4 =3D unconfirmed mode 5 =3D unconfirmed band Does this make sense to everyone? 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.com PGP Fingerprint: D8E2 3D78 339F A7F1 8C13 1193 B5D1 4FB6 79D1 70DC ___ Dx4win mailing list Dx4win@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win
[Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited
At 06:29 PM 9/2/2003, Jose ct1aoz wrote: Can the user define Band or Mode ? It should be implemented also Yes, Jose, I think that is a good idea as well and seems to be what people want. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.com PGP Fingerprint: D8E2 3D78 339F A7F1 8C13 1193 B5D1 4FB6 79D1 70DC
[Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited
Only if Alert Unconfirmed is unchecked... If it's checked it's... 1 = new DXCC never confirmed OR NewDXCC never worked 2 = never worked mode 3 = never worked band 4 = unconfirmed mode 5 = unconfirmed band Which doesn't seem entirely logical to me... OTOH, if you don't check Alert Unconfirmed you don't draw attention to all-time new unconfirmed, which you may well want to work again, especially if it's a different station. 1 = never worked 2 = never worked mode 3 = never worked band 4 = unconfirmed mode 5 = unconfirmed band - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 16:23 Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX spot colors revisited I think I boiled the priorities down to three simple rules: 1. All-time never worked has the highest priority. 2. When both entities are unworked or both entities are worked but not confirmed, mode has priority over band. 3. When one entity is unworked and the other is worked but not confirmed, the unworked entity has priority over the worked entity. The priorities I suggested earlier seem to embody these requirements: 1 = never worked 2 = never worked mode 3 = never worked band 4 = unconfirmed mode 5 = unconfirmed band Does this make sense to everyone? 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.com PGP Fingerprint: D8E2 3D78 339F A7F1 8C13 1193 B5D1 4FB6 79D1 70DC ___ Dx4win mailing list Dx4win@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win
