Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN and Icon IC PW-1 data clashes
Joe, You raise a very good point. K9JM's new gadget is not the only option for safe operation of a PW1. My update must include similar mention of microHAM and DXlabs solutions. -larry (K8UT) -Original Message- From: Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:25 PM To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN and Icon IC PW-1 data clashes Jim (et al), Yes, Jim and I have exchanged email about the CI-V protocol and his efforts to tame the PW1. As I understand it, K9JM's (www.k9jm.com) device is a piece of hardware, running custom software developed by Jim, that breaks the CI-V bus into segments and isolates traffic to the PC, the radio, and the PW1 amplifier as necessary. A neighboring ham has recently ordered one of Jim's CI-V Routers and has promised to let me run my CI-V tests against. If I encounter any issues (which I don't anticipate) I'll work with Jim to their resolution. Otherwise, I plan to refresh my Riding the CI-V Bus articles with the results... and of course will post a message to the reflector. -larry (K8UT) Several other solutions exist for the Icom/PW-1 CI-V bus clash and have been available for several years. microHAM microKEYER II, DigiKeyer II, and MK2R/MK2R+ all provide an optional isolated CI-V bus emulating an Icom transceiver that will handle a PW-1 (or any other accessory that uses CI-V for frequency control). microHAM Station Master is a CI-V interfaced band decoder that has been available for more than three years that includes a PA Port that will control a PW-1 (including, again, an isolated CI-V bus emulating an Icom transceiver) as well as several CI-V or Band Data (BCD) amps - including PW-1, SPE Expert 1K or 2K, Tokyo High Power 1.5Kfx or 2.5Kfx and Yaesu Quadra or FL-7000. Coupled with a BCD to 1 of 10 decoder, this support can also be extended to control 1 of n selected amplifiers like the MFJ ALS600/1300 and TenTec Hercules. For at least five years prior to Station Master, the original microHAM Band Decoder had an optional CI-V output (as well as BCD amplifier control) accessories to provide the same isolated CI-V bus capability. In all cases the microHAM solutions are not limited to Icom rigs as the auxiliary/isolated CI-V output is available with supported rig. 73, ... Joe Subich, W4TV microHAM America, LLC. http://www.microHAM-USA.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN and Icon IC PW-1 data clashes
Larry, On 2/28/2012 10:28 AM, Larry Gauthier (K8UT) wrote: You raise a very good point. K9JM's new gadget is not the only option for safe operation of a PW1. Not that I'm complaining but K9JM obviously did not look very hard for alternatives since band decoders which included the CI-V regeneration capability have been available from microHAM for 10 years. Station Master - which meets his criteria exactly - has been available for more than three. Not only that, the microHAM product works with any serial control (Elecraft, Icom, Kenwood, Ten-Tec, or Yaesu) format. It is certainly gratifying to see someone else validating the microHAM approach even if the device has minimal capabilities beyond its role as a CT-17 replacement for use with Icom transceivers and PW-1. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2/28/2012 10:28 AM, Larry Gauthier (K8UT) wrote: Joe, You raise a very good point. K9JM's new gadget is not the only option for safe operation of a PW1. My update must include similar mention of microHAM and DXlabs solutions. -larry (K8UT) -Original Message- From: Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:25 PM To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN and Icon IC PW-1 data clashes Jim (et al), Yes, Jim and I have exchanged email about the CI-V protocol and his efforts to tame the PW1. As I understand it, K9JM's (www.k9jm.com) device is a piece of hardware, running custom software developed by Jim, that breaks the CI-V bus into segments and isolates traffic to the PC, the radio, and the PW1 amplifier as necessary. A neighboring ham has recently ordered one of Jim's CI-V Routers and has promised to let me run my CI-V tests against. If I encounter any issues (which I don't anticipate) I'll work with Jim to their resolution. Otherwise, I plan to refresh my Riding the CI-V Bus articles with the results... and of course will post a message to the reflector. -larry (K8UT) Several other solutions exist for the Icom/PW-1 CI-V bus clash and have been available for several years. microHAM microKEYER II, DigiKeyer II, and MK2R/MK2R+ all provide an optional isolated CI-V bus emulating an Icom transceiver that will handle a PW-1 (or any other accessory that uses CI-V for frequency control). microHAM Station Master is a CI-V interfaced band decoder that has been available for more than three years that includes a PA Port that will control a PW-1 (including, again, an isolated CI-V bus emulating an Icom transceiver) as well as several CI-V or Band Data (BCD) amps - including PW-1, SPE Expert 1K or 2K, Tokyo High Power 1.5Kfx or 2.5Kfx and Yaesu Quadra or FL-7000. Coupled with a BCD to 1 of 10 decoder, this support can also be extended to control 1 of n selected amplifiers like the MFJ ALS600/1300 and TenTec Hercules. For at least five years prior to Station Master, the original microHAM Band Decoder had an optional CI-V output (as well as BCD amplifier control) accessories to provide the same isolated CI-V bus capability. In all cases the microHAM solutions are not limited to Icom rigs as the auxiliary/isolated CI-V output is available with supported rig. 73, ... Joe Subich, W4TV microHAM America, LLC. http://www.microHAM-USA.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN and Icon IC PW-1 data clashes
Joe, the K9JM solution might be just good enough for most people. I have seen MicroHAM products in action and they are very well thought out and supported. However, you are comparing a $50 kit with a $450 Cadillac … 73, Andreas, N6NU On Feb 28, 2012, at 8:01 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote: Larry, On 2/28/2012 10:28 AM, Larry Gauthier (K8UT) wrote: You raise a very good point. K9JM's new gadget is not the only option for safe operation of a PW1. Not that I'm complaining but K9JM obviously did not look very hard for alternatives since band decoders which included the CI-V regeneration capability have been available from microHAM for 10 years. Station Master - which meets his criteria exactly - has been available for more than three. Not only that, the microHAM product works with any serial control (Elecraft, Icom, Kenwood, Ten-Tec, or Yaesu) format. It is certainly gratifying to see someone else validating the microHAM approach even if the device has minimal capabilities beyond its role as a CT-17 replacement for use with Icom transceivers and PW-1. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2/28/2012 10:28 AM, Larry Gauthier (K8UT) wrote: Joe, You raise a very good point. K9JM's new gadget is not the only option for safe operation of a PW1. My update must include similar mention of microHAM and DXlabs solutions. -larry (K8UT) -Original Message- From: Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:25 PM To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN and Icon IC PW-1 data clashes Jim (et al), Yes, Jim and I have exchanged email about the CI-V protocol and his efforts to tame the PW1. As I understand it, K9JM's (www.k9jm.com) device is a piece of hardware, running custom software developed by Jim, that breaks the CI-V bus into segments and isolates traffic to the PC, the radio, and the PW1 amplifier as necessary. A neighboring ham has recently ordered one of Jim's CI-V Routers and has promised to let me run my CI-V tests against. If I encounter any issues (which I don't anticipate) I'll work with Jim to their resolution. Otherwise, I plan to refresh my Riding the CI-V Bus articles with the results... and of course will post a message to the reflector. -larry (K8UT) Several other solutions exist for the Icom/PW-1 CI-V bus clash and have been available for several years. microHAM microKEYER II, DigiKeyer II, and MK2R/MK2R+ all provide an optional isolated CI-V bus emulating an Icom transceiver that will handle a PW-1 (or any other accessory that uses CI-V for frequency control). microHAM Station Master is a CI-V interfaced band decoder that has been available for more than three years that includes a PA Port that will control a PW-1 (including, again, an isolated CI-V bus emulating an Icom transceiver) as well as several CI-V or Band Data (BCD) amps - including PW-1, SPE Expert 1K or 2K, Tokyo High Power 1.5Kfx or 2.5Kfx and Yaesu Quadra or FL-7000. Coupled with a BCD to 1 of 10 decoder, this support can also be extended to control 1 of n selected amplifiers like the MFJ ALS600/1300 and TenTec Hercules. For at least five years prior to Station Master, the original microHAM Band Decoder had an optional CI-V output (as well as BCD amplifier control) accessories to provide the same isolated CI-V bus capability. In all cases the microHAM solutions are not limited to Icom rigs as the auxiliary/isolated CI-V output is available with supported rig. 73, ... Joe Subich, W4TV microHAM America, LLC. http://www.microHAM-USA.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN and Icon IC PW-1 data clashes
Jim (et al), Yes, Jim and I have exchanged email about the CI-V protocol and his efforts to tame the PW1. As I understand it, K9JM's (www.k9jm.com) device is a piece of hardware, running custom software developed by Jim, that breaks the CI-V bus into segments and isolates traffic to the PC, the radio, and the PW1 amplifier as necessary. A neighboring ham has recently ordered one of Jim's CI-V Routers and has promised to let me run my CI-V tests against. If I encounter any issues (which I don't anticipate) I'll work with Jim to their resolution. Otherwise, I plan to refresh my Riding the CI-V Bus articles with the results... and of course will post a message to the reflector. -larry (K8UT) Several other solutions exist for the Icom/PW-1 CI-V bus clash and have been available for several years. microHAM microKEYER II, DigiKeyer II, and MK2R/MK2R+ all provide an optional isolated CI-V bus emulating an Icom transceiver that will handle a PW-1 (or any other accessory that uses CI-V for frequency control). microHAM Station Master is a CI-V interfaced band decoder that has been available for more than three years that includes a PA Port that will control a PW-1 (including, again, an isolated CI-V bus emulating an Icom transceiver) as well as several CI-V or Band Data (BCD) amps - including PW-1, SPE Expert 1K or 2K, Tokyo High Power 1.5Kfx or 2.5Kfx and Yaesu Quadra or FL-7000. Coupled with a BCD to 1 of 10 decoder, this support can also be extended to control 1 of n selected amplifiers like the MFJ ALS600/1300 and TenTec Hercules. For at least five years prior to Station Master, the original microHAM Band Decoder had an optional CI-V output (as well as BCD amplifier control) accessories to provide the same isolated CI-V bus capability. In all cases the microHAM solutions are not limited to Icom rigs as the auxiliary/isolated CI-V output is available with supported rig. 73, ... Joe Subich, W4TV microHAM America, LLC. http://www.microHAM-USA.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN and Icon IC PW-1 data clashes
I am happy to report that Jim's CIV router now works with DX4WIN!!! It turned out that DX4WIN expects to see an echo of its commands whereas N1MM and other logging programs do not. It was a simple matter for Jim to enable echoing and he has already implemented that change into his software. His CIV router has three CIV jacks on it. I plugged my IC7800 into one, the PW-1 into another one, and my existing CIV bus to the third one. My SteppIR and my 20-year-old SAS-6 antenna controller are connected to that bus and they both work flawlessly. The SAS-6 is connected via RS-232 to my CIV bus and I use a MAX232 device to convert the CIV data to RS232 data. He uses an Arduino MEGA 2560 controller board to mount his CIV controller board on, and it connects via USB. He describes a procedure to assign a com port to the device. DX4WIN will work with any com port that is assigned to it, but I had to make sure that the com port assigned was less than 8 for N1MM compatibility. I set up my baud rate to the router at 38300 baud and my CIV bus to 19200 baud. This is a must-have product for anyone using a PW-1, and I highly recommend it! Go to www.k9gm.com for details. 73, Sam W4PK -Original Message- From: Sam Leslie -- W4PK [mailto:w...@arrl.net] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 4:51 PM To: 'George'; dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN and Icon IC PW-1 data clashes Hello George, I have a 7800 and PW1, and I am working with Jim K9JM to see if we can get his CIV router to work with DX4WIN. His router isolates the PW1 from clashes so I hope that he is successful. It works with N1MM just fine here so I am anticipating that Jim will have success with DX4WIN. Take a look at K9JM's web site www.k9jm.com where he explains in great detail how he has solved the problem. I had not known about the data clash problem until very recently. I have a PW-1 with a blown power supply and this has been a very expensive lesson for me. One of these days I will attempt to take that power supply out and see if it can be repaired. In the meantime I bought a new PW-1 but for now I manually select the bands and do not have the CIV bus connected. 73, Sam W4PK -Original Message- From: George [mailto:goofy...@rochester.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 3:12 PM To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Dx4win] DX4WIN and Icon IC PW-1 data clashes Has the data clash problem been resolved with DX4WIN and the Icom IC PW-1 amp? I had one a few years back and ran into this problem. Because of this I sold the amp. I'm considering of buying another one but want to know if the data clash is still present. Thanks. George W2YJ __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN and Icon IC PW-1 data clashes
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Sam Leslie -- W4PK w...@arrl.net wrote: I am happy to report that Jim's CIV router now works with DX4WIN!!! It turned out that DX4WIN expects to see an echo of its commands whereas N1MM and other logging programs do not. It was a simple matter for Jim to enable echoing and he has already implemented that change into his software. I'm curious, is Jim's CIV router a piece of software that sits between the hardware and DX4WIN? Is it something that anyone can install? I wasn't clear from either description. Maybe someone can write up an application note on how to use all four together: - DX4WIN - ICOM radio - PW1 amplifier - router software I'll happily re-format it and post it on my DX4WIN support site. Note that K8UT wrote up a long note about the ICOM protocol, see: http://www.k8ut.com/tiki-listpages.php I don't know if Jim saw this beforehand. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN and Icon IC PW-1 data clashes
Jim (et al), Yes, Jim and I have exchanged email about the CI-V protocol and his efforts to tame the PW1. As I understand it, K9JM's (www.k9jm.com) device is a piece of hardware, running custom software developed by Jim, that breaks the CI-V bus into segments and isolates traffic to the PC, the radio, and the PW1 amplifier as necessary. A neighboring ham has recently ordered one of Jim's CI-V Routers and has promised to let me run my CI-V tests against. If I encounter any issues (which I don't anticipate) I'll work with Jim to their resolution. Otherwise, I plan to refresh my Riding the CI-V Bus articles with the results... and of course will post a message to the reflector. -larry (K8UT) -Original Message- From: Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:47 AM To: Sam Leslie -- W4PK Cc: j...@k9jm.com ; dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN and Icon IC PW-1 data clashes On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Sam Leslie -- W4PK w...@arrl.net wrote: I am happy to report that Jim's CIV router now works with DX4WIN!!! It turned out that DX4WIN expects to see an echo of its commands whereas N1MM and other logging programs do not. It was a simple matter for Jim to enable echoing and he has already implemented that change into his software. I'm curious, is Jim's CIV router a piece of software that sits between the hardware and DX4WIN? Is it something that anyone can install? I wasn't clear from either description. Maybe someone can write up an application note on how to use all four together: - DX4WIN - ICOM radio - PW1 amplifier - router software I'll happily re-format it and post it on my DX4WIN support site. Note that K8UT wrote up a long note about the ICOM protocol, see: http://www.k8ut.com/tiki-listpages.php I don't know if Jim saw this beforehand. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN and Icon IC PW-1 data clashes
Hello George, I have a 7800 and PW1, and I am working with Jim K9JM to see if we can get his CIV router to work with DX4WIN. His router isolates the PW1 from clashes so I hope that he is successful. It works with N1MM just fine here so I am anticipating that Jim will have success with DX4WIN. Take a look at K9JM's web site www.k9jm.com where he explains in great detail how he has solved the problem. I had not known about the data clash problem until very recently. I have a PW-1 with a blown power supply and this has been a very expensive lesson for me. One of these days I will attempt to take that power supply out and see if it can be repaired. In the meantime I bought a new PW-1 but for now I manually select the bands and do not have the CIV bus connected. 73, Sam W4PK -Original Message- From: George [mailto:goofy...@rochester.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 3:12 PM To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Dx4win] DX4WIN and Icon IC PW-1 data clashes Has the data clash problem been resolved with DX4WIN and the Icom IC PW-1 amp? I had one a few years back and ran into this problem. Because of this I sold the amp. I'm considering of buying another one but want to know if the data clash is still present. Thanks. George W2YJ __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Dx4win] DX4WIN and Icon IC PW-1 data clashes
Has the data clash problem been resolved with DX4WIN and the Icom IC PW-1 amp? I had one a few years back and ran into this problem. Because of this I sold the amp. I'm considering of buying another one but want to know if the data clash is still present. Thanks. George W2YJ __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
