[Dx4win] Lotwreport.notfound file
Hello, From time to time I download a report from LOTW and I import it into my logfile. After the import I have a lotwreport.notfound file but I don't understand how I can use this file because all the QSO Written in this file are in my logfile and all LOTW cnfm fields of these QSO are marked as Y. What means the number located at the end of each line of this file (2 for the QSO with F5NSB, 4 for the QSO with 5Q2T... in the example below) ? Example of a lotwreport.notfound file after I have downloaded a report from LOTW : . F5NSB21-Feb-2009 08:30 80mSSB 2 . 5Q2T 26-Jul-2008 16:53 10mSSB 4 . F2JD 12-Dec-2009 15:39 10mSSB 5 . F2JD 29-Oct-2005 15:51 15mSSB 8 . PY2ZY09-Oct-2010 18:18 15mSSB 19 . TM6M 24-Oct-2009 02:03 80mSSB 8 . RU3LA20-Mar-2010 14:26 20mSSB 10 . YO3VU12-Jul-2008 14:19 15mSSB 3 . IT9AUG 25-Oct-2009 08:57 10mSSB 8 Thanks for all info. 73 Alain, F5LIW Grid : JN27oe REF # 41548 - ARRL # 10138941 - 10-X # 50408 __ Dx4win mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Dx4win@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Lotwreport.notfound file
The not found file also reports QSOs that were confirmed the LAST time you imported lotwreport.adi, and are ALSO confirmed THIS time. These are the only types of error I usually have. On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Alain, F 5 L I W f5...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hello, From time to time I download a report from LOTW and I import it into my logfile. After the import I have a lotwreport.notfound file but I don't understand how I can use this file because all the QSO Written in this file are in my logfile and all LOTW cnfm fields of these QSO are marked as Y. What means the number located at the end of each line of this file (2 for the QSO with F5NSB, 4 for the QSO with 5Q2T... in the example below) ? Example of a lotwreport.notfound file after I have downloaded a report from LOTW : . F5NSB 21-Feb-2009 08:30 80m SSB 2 . 5Q2T 26-Jul-2008 16:53 10m SSB 4 . F2JD 12-Dec-2009 15:39 10m SSB 5 . F2JD 29-Oct-2005 15:51 15m SSB 8 . PY2ZY 09-Oct-2010 18:18 15m SSB 19 . TM6M 24-Oct-2009 02:03 80m SSB 8 . RU3LA 20-Mar-2010 14:26 20m SSB 10 . YO3VU 12-Jul-2008 14:19 15m SSB 3 . IT9AUG 25-Oct-2009 08:57 10m SSB 8 -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us __ Dx4win mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Dx4win@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Lotwreport.notfound file
I believe that it is no right. I would like to see only real problems. I don;t find useful to see the double confirmed qsos. There is a danger to loose a real problem because of many duplicates. Paul is possible to change it? Kostas sv1dpi - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C jjreis...@alum.mit.edu To: Alain, F 5 L I W f5...@yahoo.fr Cc: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Lotwreport.notfound file The not found file also reports QSOs that were confirmed the LAST time you imported lotwreport.adi, and are ALSO confirmed THIS time. These are the only types of error I usually have. On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Alain, F 5 L I W f5...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hello, From time to time I download a report from LOTW and I import it into my logfile. After the import I have a lotwreport.notfound file but I don't understand how I can use this file because all the QSO Written in this file are in my logfile and all LOTW cnfm fields of these QSO are marked as Y. What means the number located at the end of each line of this file (2 for the QSO with F5NSB, 4 for the QSO with 5Q2T... in the example below) ? Example of a lotwreport.notfound file after I have downloaded a report from LOTW : . F5NSB 21-Feb-2009 08:30 80m SSB 2 . 5Q2T 26-Jul-2008 16:53 10m SSB 4 . F2JD 12-Dec-2009 15:39 10m SSB 5 . F2JD 29-Oct-2005 15:51 15m SSB 8 . PY2ZY 09-Oct-2010 18:18 15m SSB 19 . TM6M 24-Oct-2009 02:03 80m SSB 8 . RU3LA 20-Mar-2010 14:26 20m SSB 10 . YO3VU 12-Jul-2008 14:19 15m SSB 3 . IT9AUG 25-Oct-2009 08:57 10m SSB 8 -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us __ Dx4win mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Dx4win@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Dx4win mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Dx4win@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Lotwreport.notfound file
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Alain, F 5 L I W f5...@yahoo.fr wrote: From time to time I download a report from LOTW and I import it into my logfile. After the import I have a lotwreport.notfound file but I don't understand how I can use this file because all the QSO Written in this file are in my logfile and all LOTW cnfm fields of these QSO are marked as Y. What means the number located at the end of each line of this file (2 for the QSO with F5NSB, 4 for the QSO with 5Q2T... in the example below) ? The number in the right-hand column is the group number of the QSO, from your log. My understanding is that if the group number is NOT zero, then the QSO was found in your log. It could also be zero if no group number was assigned to that QSO. If there is a small dot (like a period) in the left-hand column (as shown below), the QSO was already confirmed via LoTW (from a previous import). If there is an 'X', then the QSO from LoTW was NOT found in your log (and the group number will be (0) zero). Example of a lotwreport.notfound file after I have downloaded a report from LOTW : . F5NSB 21-Feb-2009 08:30 80m SSB 2 . 5Q2T 26-Jul-2008 16:53 10m SSB 4 . F2JD 12-Dec-2009 15:39 10m SSB 5 . F2JD 29-Oct-2005 15:51 15m SSB 8 . PY2ZY 09-Oct-2010 18:18 15m SSB 19 . TM6M 24-Oct-2009 02:03 80m SSB 8 . RU3LA 20-Mar-2010 14:26 20m SSB 10 . YO3VU 12-Jul-2008 14:19 15m SSB 3 . IT9AUG 25-Oct-2009 08:57 10m SSB 8 -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us __ Dx4win mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Dx4win@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Lotwreport.notfound file
Hi Jim, if I could add a bit of what I have observed on this. You are correct with the . In the left column. Not much we can do about that, if people keep uploading their whole logs over and over they will keep showing up on this list. For those LoTW users who do this, you may not think it a problem but it can be. The X is a little more complex than just QSO not found. For example. I get a fair number of X in the left column and it is usually a station in the USA. This happens because they have shifted QTH to another state or county but not requiring a callsign change. So now it shows up on the not found list, NOT because the QSO is not in the log but the information contained in the QSO record does not match. Being made aware of this may be a good thing but it is difficult to know which is the correct information. For example a QSO shows up in the not found list marked X when I click on it in the QSO not found box and get potential matches, sure enough there is an obvious match, call, date, time, mode, band all match but the county is different, both county information coming from LoTW. This could mean several things. The first information is wrong and the recent upload is an attempt to correct an error. IMHO unlikely. Second it could be simply that the station has shifted QTH and have changed their location information when doing uploads but unfortunately they upload their whole log overwriting all previous QSO's with incorrect information for the previous time period. So to sum up DX4WIN is working correctly but unfortunately other peoples actions are generating lots of noise in these reports. Unfortunately I must admit this does make one tend to ignore the report completely as in both of the cases above no logical action can be taken. 73 John ZL1BYZ -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2011 10:20 To: Alain, F 5 L I W Cc: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Lotwreport.notfound file On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Alain, F 5 L I W f5...@yahoo.fr wrote: From time to time I download a report from LOTW and I import it into my logfile. After the import I have a lotwreport.notfound file but I don't understand how I can use this file because all the QSO Written in this file are in my logfile and all LOTW cnfm fields of these QSO are marked as Y. What means the number located at the end of each line of this file (2 for the QSO with F5NSB, 4 for the QSO with 5Q2T... in the example below) ? The number in the right-hand column is the group number of the QSO, from your log. My understanding is that if the group number is NOT zero, then the QSO was found in your log. It could also be zero if no group number was assigned to that QSO. If there is a small dot (like a period) in the left-hand column (as shown below), the QSO was already confirmed via LoTW (from a previous import). If there is an 'X', then the QSO from LoTW was NOT found in your log (and the group number will be (0) zero). Example of a lotwreport.notfound file after I have downloaded a report from LOTW : . F5NSB 21-Feb-2009 08:30 80m SSB 2 . 5Q2T 26-Jul-2008 16:53 10m SSB 4 . F2JD 12-Dec-2009 15:39 10m SSB 5 . F2JD 29-Oct-2005 15:51 15m SSB 8 . PY2ZY 09-Oct-2010 18:18 15m SSB 19 . TM6M 24-Oct-2009 02:03 80m SSB 8 . RU3LA 20-Mar-2010 14:26 20m SSB 10 . YO3VU 12-Jul-2008 14:19 15m SSB 3 . IT9AUG 25-Oct-2009 08:57 10m SSB 8 -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us __ Dx4win mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Dx4win@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Dx4win mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Dx4win@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Lotwreport.notfound file
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:20 PM, John Shaw jns...@internet.co.nz wrote: You are correct with the . In the left column. Not much we can do about that, if people keep uploading their whole logs over and over they will keep showing up on this list. For those LoTW users who do this, you may not think it a problem but it can be. This problem isn't caused by people ... uploading their whole logs over and over. If I upload an identical QSO that is already in LoTW, it won't be considered a new match. I tried to explain what really causes this problem in my application note on LoTW. I'll explain it again here. At 1200z on 1 March, you download your LoTW report. It contains all the new QSO matches up to and including the ones that were made before 12z on the 1st. Now on March 7, you download the report again. It gives you the option of the date to start with. It will most likely be set to 1 March. So when you download the report, you will get all the QSO matches made on 1 March again. This includes the QSOs that were confirmed before 12z on 1 March, which were in your previous download. Let's say that on 7 March, you decided to start on 2 March instead. What about the QSOs that were matched between 12z and 24z on 1 March? Those *won't* be in the lotwreport file, because you didn't download any QSOs from 1 March. The only confirmations you have from 1 March will be those that were matched in LoTW between 0z and 12z. So unless you can download your lotwreport file at precisely z (1/3 of the world is asleep during that time), there will always be a little bit of download overlap, resulting in the already matched warnings when you import the report into DX4WIN. John, I apologize for not reading the rest of your message. I will do so now. I just wanted to explain why there are sometimes duplicates. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us __ Dx4win mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Dx4win@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Lotwreport.notfound file
Ok Jim I hadn't read you application note. Yes I usually do just accept the date offered which is the date of the last download I'm not entirely convinced that explains all the . Entries I get, for example the last download generated 205 . Reports and 13 X reports, the previous ones report similar numbers. Assuming I did the download at 23:59utc and captured a days worth of cross over's, I wouldn't mind 205 LoTW cfms a day X 365 = 74825 LoTW cfms a year, I only have 109,000 + QSO's in the LoTW system. More to the point than how these QSO's become eligible for report the fact remains regardless to if they are re submits from the other party or worse a system shortfall in timing of reports, there is no logical action to take so why does DX4WIN report them? 73 John ZL1BYZ. -Original Message- From: jjreis...@gmail.com [mailto:jjreis...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2011 13:04 To: John Shaw Cc: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Lotwreport.notfound file On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:20 PM, John Shaw jns...@internet.co.nz wrote: You are correct with the . In the left column. Not much we can do about that, if people keep uploading their whole logs over and over they will keep showing up on this list. For those LoTW users who do this, you may not think it a problem but it can be. This problem isn't caused by people ... uploading their whole logs over and over. If I upload an identical QSO that is already in LoTW, it won't be considered a new match. I tried to explain what really causes this problem in my application note on LoTW. I'll explain it again here. __ Dx4win mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Dx4win@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
