Re: SUSTAINABLE SITES INITIATIVE - we need your feedback.

2007-12-15 Thread Warren W. Aney
Aw, c'mon Wayne.  Can't you see that they're trying.  A landscaped plot is
still an ecosystem (heck, a crack in a sidewalk is an ecosystem) although
very simplified and humanized.  But a landscaped plot can also be complex
and natural -- check out my yard: no lawn, just native trees, shrubs,
groundcover (and weeds).

I didn't find any reference to mass-grading.  Did you?  I did see (page 9)
something about the importance of native soil horizons.

I didn't find anything about weed-covered wastelands, either.  Nor anything
about relying on expert opinion nor any seemingly hyperbolic use of the
terms ecological sustainable green -- buy maybe you read the
publication more thoroughly than I did.

I think this is progress -- and I know we're obligated to help them make
sure it's effective progress. That's why they sent this out for our look
see.  Okay, they did send it out late on Friday when we're all cranky after
not getting everything done this week that we intended to.  But let's take
another look at it after we've had a good night's sleep.

Warren W. Aney
Tigard, Oregon

-Original Message-
From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wayne Tyson
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:03 PM
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: SUSTAINABLE SITES INITIATIVE - we need your feedback.


Uh, oh--I'm headed for trouble again.  Nobody=20
(well, with the exception of a distinct minority)=20
likes my ideas; they seem to offend just about=20
everybody.  (How can an idea offend?  Certainly=20
rudeness, body odor, etc. can be offensive, but=20
why do so many of us consider an idea or=20
statement with which we might disagree=20
offensive?  How can any intellectual endeavor=20
proceed under pressure to be politically=20
correct?)  Have some fun refuting them.

Anyway, here goes (with a sample):

1. End landscaping.  Unlike ecosystems,=20
landscaping requires water, fertilizer,=20
maintenance, and all the resource/energy/habitat=20
depletion and outright waste connected with those=20
activities.  But this seems to be attacking a=20
multi-billion-dollar complex of businesses;=20
therefore it will be attacked by all those who=20
think their professional ox will be gored in some=20
way.  Landscaping is, by definition,=20
unsustainable--a sizeable footprint on the face=20
of the earth, however cosmetic.

2. End mass-grading.  So-called structural=20
fills are a profit-extending device that places=20
the equivalent of ancient landslides over lower=20
lands.  They will slide in the future, when=20
they load up with water.  But that takes enough=20
time for the builders to be long gone.

3. Permit building only on land that diminishes=20
only those habitats that are in the greatest=20
supply.  End building in flood plains and other=20
hazardous sites, as well as biologically rare ones.

4. Tolerate no lying about biology and=20
ecology.  For example, stop claiming that sites=20
are only weed-covered wastes, and report the=20
site's historic biological character.  And=20
require that it be treated in accordance with its=20
biological and ecological potential, based on=20
real, complete scientific assessment, not upon expert opinion.

5. Tolerate no hyperbole via use of the terms=20
ecological, sustainable, green, etc.

I could go on and on . . .

WT

At 01:54 PM 12/14/2007, Ray Mims wrote:
** High Priority **

This is a project of which we are extremely proud to be a part. We are
in a comment period right now and would like to have additional
architects, builders, engineers, ecologists, horticulturist, landscape
maintenance contractors, soil scientist, architect, green building
consultant and planners to give us feed back.  Please take the time to
look at the email and go to our website to view the draft report.

ALSO PASS ON TO ANYONE YOU KNOW THAT MIGHT HAVE INSIGHT OR COMMENTS.
thank you,
Ray



---
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--
The USBG  has been involved in this partnership and is very excited
about Sustainable Sites.
The Sustainable Sites Initiative is developing national, voluntary
standards and guidelines for sustainable land development and
management
practices as well as metrics to assess site performance and a rating
system to recognize achievement.   It is a partnership of the American
Society of Landscape Architects, the Lady Bird Johnson Wildflower
Center, the United States Botanic Garden and a diverse group of
national
stakeholder organizations.  The U.S. Green Building Council, a major
stakeholder
  in the initiative, has committed to incorporating these guidelines and
standards into the
future evolution of the LEED=C2=AE (Leadership in Energy and Environmental
Design) Green Building Rating System.  These will also be available at
no cost for
those that will not go for certification.

The initiative is in the process of developing the Standards and
Guidelines for Sustainable Sites  

Re: SUSTAINABLE SITES INITIATIVE - we need your feedback.

2007-12-15 Thread William Allison
Wayne,

What you say applies in highly interrelated fashion to reefs and
islands of, for example, Dubai and Maldives where, in order of your
presentation but not order of importance:

1. Landscaping is applied to resort islands and government
mega-projects, often involving mass transfer of soil and vegetation
from other islands. In milder cases coastal vegetation is removed or
transformed to make more pleasant beaches or views, and inviting
coastal erosion. Increasingly landscaping (in drag as rehabilitation)
is being done to prettify resort reefs for the enjoyment of tourists
(e.g., seagrass habitats removed - they are unnatural, haven't you
heard, corals transplanted - only doomed colonies of course - from
reefs to barren reef flats (howcome they are barren anyway?).

2. Mass grading takes the form of dredge and fill (euphemistically:
reclamation) to enlarge existing islands or create new islands and
peninsulas (e.g. the Palm constructions of Dubai, with smaller scale
versions in Maldives - but just wait), often with baroque coastlines
(more beachfront) and limited water movement inviting further problems
(e.g. cyanobacterial blooms).

3. The filled areas are the reef flats. The reef flats are part of the
island's natural sea defense system. The land so created is low and
often on the outer side of the outer atoll rim (in Maldives). When
disaster strikes (e.g. tsunami, storm surge) natural forces or sea
level rise/climate change that are construed as responsible and the
aid agencies spring to the rescue to restore with little thought to
future prevention.

4. Past sins are hidden behind a facade of flam and cute
conservation projects to dazzle naive punters.

5. This is cast as eco-friendly despite all of the above and more.
Consider energy, virtually all of which is fossil fuel, and waste, in
a location where all of the punters, their food and drink (including
water), their A/C comfort, liquid and solid waste, etc are imported.

The usual pattern of demographic and temporal distribution of the
wealth gained by milking the environmental commons applies, and
population size is beyond carrying capacity and growing rapidly.

Regards,
Bill

On Dec 14, 2007 9:02 PM, Wayne Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Uh, oh--I'm headed for trouble again.  Nobody
 (well, with the exception of a distinct minority)
 likes my ideas; they seem to offend just about
 everybody.  (How can an idea offend?  Certainly
 rudeness, body odor, etc. can be offensive, but
 why do so many of us consider an idea or
 statement with which we might disagree
 offensive?  How can any intellectual endeavor
 proceed under pressure to be politically
 correct?)  Have some fun refuting them.

 Anyway, here goes (with a sample):

 1. End landscaping.  Unlike ecosystems,
 landscaping requires water, fertilizer,
 maintenance, and all the resource/energy/habitat
 depletion and outright waste connected with those
 activities.  But this seems to be attacking a
 multi-billion-dollar complex of businesses;
 therefore it will be attacked by all those who
 think their professional ox will be gored in some
 way.  Landscaping is, by definition,
 unsustainable--a sizeable footprint on the face
 of the earth, however cosmetic.

 2. End mass-grading.  So-called structural
 fills are a profit-extending device that places
 the equivalent of ancient landslides over lower
 lands.  They will slide in the future, when
 they load up with water.  But that takes enough
 time for the builders to be long gone.

 3. Permit building only on land that diminishes
 only those habitats that are in the greatest
 supply.  End building in flood plains and other
 hazardous sites, as well as biologically rare ones.

 4. Tolerate no lying about biology and
 ecology.  For example, stop claiming that sites
 are only weed-covered wastes, and report the
 site's historic biological character.  And
 require that it be treated in accordance with its
 biological and ecological potential, based on
 real, complete scientific assessment, not upon expert opinion.

 5. Tolerate no hyperbole via use of the terms
 ecological, sustainable, green, etc.

 I could go on and on . . .

 WT


 At 01:54 PM 12/14/2007, Ray Mims wrote:
 ** High Priority **
 
 This is a project of which we are extremely proud to be a part. We are
 in a comment period right now and would like to have additional
 architects, builders, engineers, ecologists, horticulturist, landscape
 maintenance contractors, soil scientist, architect, green building
 consultant and planners to give us feed back.  Please take the time to
 look at the email and go to our website to view the draft report.
 
 ALSO PASS ON TO ANYONE YOU KNOW THAT MIGHT HAVE INSIGHT OR COMMENTS.
 thank you,
 Ray
 
 
 
 -
 The USBG  has been involved in this partnership and is very excited
 about Sustainable Sites.
 The Sustainable Sites Initiative is developing 

Multiple Field Technician positions in restoration ecology/conservation biology (REPOST)

2007-12-15 Thread =?windows-1252?Q?Lars_Brudvig?=
We seek applications to fill multiple temporary field technician positions
for a large-scale experiment on restoration of plant communities in
fragmented habitats with corridors. Technicians will join a team of several
principal investigators (Ellen Damschen at Washington University in St.
Louis, Nick Haddad at North Carolina State University, Doug Levey at
University of Florida, and Josh Tewksbury at University of Washington),
postdoc Lars Brudvig, and several graduate students, and be provided
exposure to numerous research questions and approaches. Research will
include studies of the effects of corridors on various aspects of plant
restoration, including establishment and population growth. Tasks will
include growing seedlings, maintaining experimental plots, experimental
studies of plants (and animals that interact with them), and working with
other project collaborators. Opportunities for independent research projects
exist for highly motivated individuals. Positions will begin as soon as
possible after 1 April 2007, and will last for a minimum of three months;
however, possibilities for extension exist and applicants are encouraged to
indicate dates of availability in their application letter. Pay rate will be
$8.00-$12/hr, depending on experience. Technicians will live near New
Ellenton, SC, where the field site is located. Successful candidates will
hold or be working towards a bachelor’s degree in ecology, biology, or a
related discipline and must be able to endure hot and humid conditions and
long hours in the field. Previous field research experience is desirable.
Because the Savannah River Site is a highly secure area run by the U.S.
Department of Energy, non-United States citizens may have difficulty gaining
clearance to work there. Additional information about the project is
available on the web at:
http://www.conservationcorridor.org/Corridor%20Experiment.html
http://www4.ncsu.edu/%7Ehaddad/Corridors/Corridors.html 

Women and minorities are strongly encouraged to apply. 

To apply, please email a letter describing past experience, why this
position is interesting or important to you, dates of availability after 1
April 2007, and contact information with email addresses for two references
to Lars Brudvig: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: SUSTAINABLE SITES INITIATIVE - we need your feedback.

2007-12-15 Thread Carrie DeJaco
I have plenty of dandelion greens in my yard.  ;)

But really, I think that's a great idea.  By reducing the grass in 
yards, it would also decrease the CO2 released into the atmosphere every 
time someone cuts their lawn!

I recently bought a house with a decent sized yard that I am trying to 
convert from grass to native plants.  It is very difficult to find 
nurseries that 1) have native plants, and 2) have employees who actually 
know which plants are native.  I feel like I need to take my plant books 
with me every time I go!

Carrie DeJaco


Stephen Caird wrote:
 Certainly others have thought of this before, but the mention of landscaping
 (in Wayne's e-mail) makes me think this: where possible, could
 landscapers--instead of growing swaths of Kentucky bluegrass--grow edible
 plants in an aesthetically pleasing manner, that their customers could:

 Eat organically grown produce (which is already a popular demand);

 Eat food grown locally, thereby reducing the need for burning fossil
 fuels/increasing CO2 levels in the atmosphere for food transport;

 Eat vegetables fresh from the garden, thereby reducing the amount of time a
 farmer would spend harvesting and washing produce.

 It wouldn't work everywhere, but perhaps it would free up farmland for
 restoration to 'natural areas.' Could this be one way to alleviate tensions
 on our shrinking wild places?

 I thought I would throw these ideas out there for people who have time to
 critique them. I would really appreciate anyone's feedback on the potential
 of drawing food production into residential communities, and restoring
 farmland to natural areas--is that realistic?

 Steve Caird


 On Dec 14, 2007 10:09 PM, Warren W. Aney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Aw, c'mon Wayne.  Can't you see that they're trying.  A landscaped plot is
 still an ecosystem (heck, a crack in a sidewalk is an ecosystem) although
 very simplified and humanized.  But a landscaped plot can also be complex
 and natural -- check out my yard: no lawn, just native trees, shrubs,
 groundcover (and weeds).

 I didn't find any reference to mass-grading.  Did you?  I did see (page 9)
 something about the importance of native soil horizons.

 I didn't find anything about weed-covered wastelands, either.  Nor
 anything
 about relying on expert opinion nor any seemingly hyperbolic use of the
 terms ecological sustainable green -- buy maybe you read the
 publication more thoroughly than I did.

 I think this is progress -- and I know we're obligated to help them make
 sure it's effective progress. That's why they sent this out for our look
 see.  Okay, they did send it out late on Friday when we're all cranky
 after
 not getting everything done this week that we intended to.  But let's take
 another look at it after we've had a good night's sleep.

 Warren W. Aney
 Tigard, Oregon

 -Original Message-
 From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wayne Tyson
 Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:03 PM
 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
 Subject: Re: SUSTAINABLE SITES INITIATIVE - we need your feedback.


 Uh, oh--I'm headed for trouble again.  Nobody=20
 (well, with the exception of a distinct minority)=20
 likes my ideas; they seem to offend just about=20
 everybody.  (How can an idea offend?  Certainly=20
 rudeness, body odor, etc. can be offensive, but=20
 why do so many of us consider an idea or=20
 statement with which we might disagree=20
 offensive?  How can any intellectual endeavor=20
 proceed under pressure to be politically=20
 correct?)  Have some fun refuting them.

 Anyway, here goes (with a sample):

 1. End landscaping.  Unlike ecosystems,=20
 landscaping requires water, fertilizer,=20
 maintenance, and all the resource/energy/habitat=20
 depletion and outright waste connected with those=20
 activities.  But this seems to be attacking a=20
 multi-billion-dollar complex of businesses;=20
 therefore it will be attacked by all those who=20
 think their professional ox will be gored in some=20
 way.  Landscaping is, by definition,=20
 unsustainable--a sizeable footprint on the face=20
 of the earth, however cosmetic.

 2. End mass-grading.  So-called structural=20
 fills are a profit-extending device that places=20
 the equivalent of ancient landslides over lower=20
 lands.  They will slide in the future, when=20
 they load up with water.  But that takes enough=20
 time for the builders to be long gone.

 3. Permit building only on land that diminishes=20
 only those habitats that are in the greatest=20
 supply.  End building in flood plains and other=20
 hazardous sites, as well as biologically rare ones.

 4. Tolerate no lying about biology and=20
 ecology.  For example, stop claiming that sites=20
 are only weed-covered wastes, and report the=20
 site's historic biological character.  And=20
 require that it be treated in accordance with its=20
 biological and ecological potential, based on=20
 real, complete scientific