Why not a law..Evolution

2006-08-16 Thread Malcolm McCallum
I wonder if it is time to stop calling it the Theory of Evolution and =
start calling it the Law of Evolution,  and to stop referring to =
evolutionary theory and surplant that with evolutionary law.=20
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Lets face it, there has to be more evidence for evolution than there was =
for Gravity, etc. when they were moved to law status.
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Do we know of any case where organisms were not adapted by or succumb to =
some outside force? =20
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Sounds like a law to me. =20
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and the World Congress of Herpetology.
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Malcolm L. McCallum
Assistant Professor
Department of Biological Sciences
Texas AM University Texarkana
2600 Robison Rd.
Texarkana, TX 75501
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From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news on behalf of =
Ashwani Vasishth
Sent: Tue 8/15/2006 10:13 PM
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Commentaries on science and on evolution



There are two commentaries in the current issue of Bioscience that I =
thought worth considering, in the particular context of the current =
debate about the teaching of evolution science in our schools

The first, by Ross H. Nehm, Faith-based Evolution Education? (638 =
BioScience * August 2006 / Vol. 56 No. 8 www.biosciencemag.org) argues =
that scientists, generally defined, have limited themselves to =
generating belief statements on evolution, rather than scientifically =
and systematically addressing the misconceptions inherent in lay beliefs =
and in creationist rhetoric.  In addition, we need to get much better at =
showing people why a knowledge of evolution science matters, to everyday =
folks, on an everyday basis.

The second, by Margaret Wertheim, Who Is Science Writing For? (640 =
BioScience * August 2006 / Vol. 56 No. 8 www.biosciencemag.org), argues =
that science writers, generally defined, are not positioning themselves =
where the readers are, in America, but rather are catering to a very =
narrow (and quite small) self-selecting cluster of individuals who =
actively seek out science-related material.  We need to get better at =
doing what she calls missionary work.

Cheers,
-
  Ashwani
 Vasishth  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  (818) 677-6137
 Department of Urban Studies and Planning, ST 206
California State University, Northridge
 http://www.csun.edu/~vasishth/


Re: Why not a law..Evolution

2006-08-16 Thread James J. Roper
But Malcolm,

It is not the Theory of Evolution that is the theory, but rather the
Theory of Evolution BY NATURAL SELECTION that is the theory.  While most
of us would agree that there is ample proof, it should also be understood
why it must be considered a theory and not a law.  A law is universally
true, while a theory is provisionally true.  We all can imagine cases in
which some characteristic of an organism was due to genetic drift or some
other form of accident that favored a given trait.  We can also remember th=
e
Spandrels of San Marcos (Stephen J. Gould) and so recognize that we cannot
call everything we see a product of evolution by natural selection,  If we
do so, without proof, then we are making assertions of faith.

So, until we prove that all features of living things are adaptations that
were formed by natural selectionthe theory of evolution by natural
selection remains just that.

But what a wonderful and explanative theory!

And we all KNOW that evolution happened, evolution is not a theory, it is a
fact, and not a law.

Cheers,

Jim

On 8/16/06, Malcolm McCallum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wonder if it is time to stop calling it the Theory of Evolution and
 start calling it the Law of Evolution,  and to stop referring to
 evolutionary theory and surplant that with evolutionary law.

 Lets face it, there has to be more evidence for evolution than there was
 for Gravity, etc. when they were moved to law status.

 Do we know of any case where organisms were not adapted by or succumb to
 some outside force?

 Sounds like a law to me.

 VISIT HERPETOLOGICAL CONSERVATION AND BIOLOGY www.herpconbio.org 
 http://www.herpconbio.org
 A New Journal Published in Partnership with Partners in Amphibian and
 Reptile Conservation
 and the World Congress of Herpetology.

 Malcolm L. McCallum
 Assistant Professor
 Department of Biological Sciences
 Texas AM University Texarkana
 2600 Robison Rd.
 Texarkana, TX 75501
 O: 1-903-223-3134
 H: 1-903-791-3843
 Homepage: https://www.eagle.tamut.edu/faculty/mmccallum/index.html


 

 From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news on behalf of
 Ashwani Vasishth
 Sent: Tue 8/15/2006 10:13 PM
 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
 Subject: Commentaries on science and on evolution



 There are two commentaries in the current issue of Bioscience that I
 thought worth considering, in the particular context of the current deba=
te
 about the teaching of evolution science in our schools

 The first, by Ross H. Nehm, Faith-based Evolution Education? (638
 BioScience * August 2006 / Vol. 56 No. 8 www.biosciencemag.org) argues
 that scientists, generally defined, have limited themselves to generating
 belief statements on evolution, rather than scientifically and
 systematically addressing the misconceptions inherent in lay beliefs and =
in
 creationist rhetoric.  In addition, we need to get much better at showing
 people why a knowledge of evolution science matters, to everyday folks, o=
n
 an everyday basis.

 The second, by Margaret Wertheim, Who Is Science Writing For? (640
 BioScience * August 2006 / Vol. 56 No. 8 www.biosciencemag.org), argues
 that science writers, generally defined, are not positioning themselves
 where the readers are, in America, but rather are catering to a very narr=
ow
 (and quite small) self-selecting cluster of individuals who actively seek
 out science-related material.  We need to get better at doing what she ca=
lls
 missionary work.

 Cheers,
 -
   Ashwani
  Vasishth  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  (818) 677-6137
  Department of Urban Studies and Planning, ST 206
 California State University, Northridge
  http://www.csun.edu/~vasishth/




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Re: Why not a law..Evolution

2006-08-16 Thread DeSolla,Shane [Burlington]
A law is not universally true.

Newtons laws of motion are universally false (though usually close
enough to be useful). And Newtons laws are not even close to being true
near the speed of light.

Laws describe phenomena; they don't require explanation.

Theories explain phenomena, even if they don't necessarily predict it
well.

Cheers,
Shane


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his employer.



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 But Malcolm,
 
 It is not the Theory of Evolution that is the theory, but 
 rather the Theory of Evolution BY NATURAL SELECTION that is 
 the theory.  While most of us would agree that there is ample 
 proof, it should also be understood why it must be considered 
 a theory and not a law.  A law is universally true, while a 
 theory is provisionally true.  We all can imagine cases in 
 which some characteristic of an organism was due to genetic 
 drift or some other form of accident that favored a given 
 trait.  We can also remember th= e Spandrels of San Marcos 
 (Stephen J. Gould) and so recognize that we cannot call 
 everything we see a product of evolution by natural 
 selection,  If we do so, without proof, then we are making 
 assertions of faith.
 
 So, until we prove that all features of living things are 
 adaptations that were formed by natural selectionthe 
 theory of evolution by natural selection remains just that.
 
 But what a wonderful and explanative theory!
 
 And we all KNOW that evolution happened, evolution is not a 
 theory, it is a fact, and not a law.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Jim
 
 On 8/16/06, Malcolm McCallum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I wonder if it is time to stop calling it the Theory of Evolution 
  and start calling it the Law of Evolution,  and to stop 
 referring to 
  evolutionary theory and surplant that with evolutionary law.
 
  Lets face it, there has to be more evidence for evolution 
 than there 
  was for Gravity, etc. when they were moved to law status.
 
  Do we know of any case where organisms were not adapted by 
 or succumb 
  to some outside force?
 
  Sounds like a law to me.
 
  VISIT HERPETOLOGICAL CONSERVATION AND BIOLOGY www.herpconbio.org  
  http://www.herpconbio.org A New Journal Published in 
 Partnership with 
  Partners in Amphibian and Reptile Conservation and the 
 World Congress 
  of Herpetology.
 
  Malcolm L. McCallum
  Assistant Professor
  Department of Biological Sciences
  Texas AM University Texarkana
  2600 Robison Rd.
  Texarkana, TX 75501
  O: 1-903-223-3134
  H: 1-903-791-3843
  Homepage: https://www.eagle.tamut.edu/faculty/mmccallum/index.html
 
 
  
 
  From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news on 
 behalf of 
  Ashwani Vasishth
  Sent: Tue 8/15/2006 10:13 PM
  To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
  Subject: Commentaries on science and on evolution
 
 
 
  There are two commentaries in the current issue of 
 Bioscience that I 
  thought worth considering, in the particular context of the current 
  deba=
 te
  about the teaching of evolution science in our schools
 
  The first, by Ross H. Nehm, Faith-based Evolution Education? (638 
  BioScience * August 2006 / Vol. 56 No. 8 
 www.biosciencemag.org) argues 
  that scientists, generally defined, have limited themselves to 
  generating belief statements on evolution, rather than 
 scientifically 
  and systematically addressing the misconceptions inherent in lay 
  beliefs and =
 in
  creationist rhetoric.  In addition, we need to get much better at 
  showing people why a knowledge of evolution science matters, to 
  everyday folks, o=
 n
  an everyday basis.
 
  The second, by Margaret Wertheim, Who Is Science Writing 
 For? (640 
  BioScience * August 2006 / Vol. 56 No. 8 www.biosciencemag.org), 
  argues that science writers, generally defined, are not positioning 
  themselves where the readers are, in America, but rather 
 are catering 
  to a very narr=
 ow
  (and quite small) self-selecting cluster of individuals who 
 actively 
  seek out science-related material.  We need to get better at doing 
  what she ca=
 lls
  missionary work.
 
  Cheers,
  -
Ashwani
   Vasishth  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  (818) 677-6137
   Department of Urban Studies and Planning, ST 206
  California State University, Northridge
   http://www.csun.edu/~vasishth/
 
 
 
 
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