Re: [Edu-sig] edu-sig in Pythonia

2012-04-02 Thread DeanG
+1

Regarding the  Args Kwargs, Matt Harrisons Guide to: Learning Python
Decorators was a great read for this topic.
http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Learning-Python-Decorators-ebook/dp/B006ZHJSIM


On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:52 AM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote:

 A few of us at Pycon were nodding heads (+1ing)
 over the idea that our subculture / ethnicity could
 evolve these canned talks that different people
 deliver in their personalized style.  More than that,
 they demonstrate new teaching techniques such
 that the audience might appreciate how advances
 in pedagogy -- and in andragogy -- still occur.

 Consider the O'Reilly 'Head First Into...' series.
 Like 'for Dummies', it explains up front that there's
 psychology at work, smart cookies have baked a
 new mix of graphic art, sound bites, who knows
 what's coming, and you, the reader / student are
 in for a treat.  But then books, like videos, are a
 somewhat passive medium.  Once you jump on
 that gym equipment, that treadmill, that weight
 pump, you know there's more to the educational
 experience than having your butt in a chair.

 Among the canned topics would be ArgsKwargs.
 Everyone learning Python needs to keep spiraling
 through the ArgsKwargs literature, wherein we do
 what in other languages might be called gathering
 and scattering.  The star and double star, which
 C-language readers are used to seeing anyway
 in function headers etc., have become scavengers,
 accepting / liberal all may pass type guards at the
 gate (function entrance), and yet still there are rules
 (positionals before keyword).  Used when passing
 arguments, the star and double-star are exploders
 (scatterers), setting free their tuples and dicts to
 mingle as individuals.

 def baby(skin=soft, noise_might_be = crying, **blahblah):
     print (Hey baby, I notice the {} skin, and the {} noise you're
 making.format(skin, noise_might_be))
     print(blahblah)


 random_keys = {safe:12-15-44, skin:purple, tomorrow:wash
 car}
 baby(**random_keys)
 Hey baby, I notice the purple skin, and the crying noise you're making
 {'safe': '12-15-44', 'tomorrow': 'wash car'}

 Another canned talk -- could be lightning format --
 is IterStuff, beginning with the difference between
 an iterator and an iterable, climbing through
 generators (with plenty of send use) to iterator
 defining classes, to itertools more generally, and
 a discussion of just in time versus pre-stocking
 memory with impossibly huge inventories.

 Here I'd suggest a lore-based approach wherein
 we go over how Python itself has become ever more
 fascinated with iterators.  How is it that a range class
 object is a sequence (indexable) whereas the
 dict_items object is not (not indexable)?

 dict(a=1,b=2).items()[0]
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File pyshell#0, line 1, in module
     dict(a=1,b=2).items()[0]
 TypeError: 'dict_items' object does not support indexing
 range(2)[0]
 0

 Then there'd be the protocol talks i.e. lets talk about
 interfaces in the abstract.  The iterator is our first example,
 in being about having __iter__ and __next__.  Then
 comes the descriptor and its interface / protocol.

 The point being:  we should always have these talks.

 There will always be people new to Python (in this
 model), or people wanting a refresher and (here's
 the kicker) people needing practice in their teaching
 techniques in front of an audience that's already very
 much in the ballpark (already at a Pycon, not just
 casually dropping by to see what this might be about).

 Also:  the people most interested in teaching Python,
 such as here on edu-sig, should be most involved in
 organizing this track.

 The track of standard topics, things we all need to
 know -- but how best to share?  That track and that
 question are one of our angles / self-chosen
 responsibilities, along with the poster session.

 I would extend this philosophy to say edu-sig types
 should also take some 3rd party modules under their
 collective wing, by which I mean to include such worthies
 as:  Visual Python, I-Python, matplotlib, numpy, Blender
 and web frameworks (including Google App Engine).

 OK, now that's starting to sound like a complete Pycon,
 not just a track.  Fair enough.

 The edu-sig base is around a track of core topics.
 Then each topic is conceived to branch off into
 various worlds or namespaces.  E.g the IterStuff
 branches off into Twisted and asynchronous techniques
 such as David Beazely has specialized in inventing and
 teaching.  We'd need more diagrams, roadmaps, to
 show the lay of the land (Pythonia).  Seeing it one
 way doesn't preclude also seeing it in other ways too.

 Kirby


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Re: [Edu-sig] edu-sig in Pythonia

2012-04-02 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:07 AM, DeanG goodmans...@gmail.com wrote:

 +1

 Regarding the  Args Kwargs, Matt Harrisons Guide to: Learning Python
 Decorators was a great read for this topic.
 http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Learning-Python-Decorators-ebook/dp/B006ZHJSIM



I'm quite tempted to buy a Kindle.  I had no idea there was a whole Kindle
book on decorators.

Yes, decorators would have to be another one of those Standard Gotta Have
It track talks we edu-siggers are focused on.

ArgsKwags, IterStuff, Decorators, Metaclasses, Introspection... Dialectical
Differences

Library:  talks always welcome, standard usergroup fare (Portland's groups
always has Module of the Month)

3rd party:  IDEs (e.g. I-Python), VIsualization (e.g. Blender, VPython,
Pygame, matplotlib). Web (Django, web2py, Google App Engine)

Python plays well with others, so a lot of Design Patterns stuff relating
to OO in general would could push off to those OSCON type events where we
have Java, Python, Ruby, Perl, C++ all under one big tent.

There should be like OO track topics that don't count against the Python
quota, if ya know what I mean.

Kirby
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Re: [Edu-sig] edu-sig in Pythonia

2012-04-02 Thread Matt Harrison
Dean-

Thanks for including me on this topic. (Just subscribed to the list).

Rest-

As the author of said book, tutorial presenter at PyCON and co-wrangler of
the local Python group, I think it is important to remember the newbies. My
Intermediate Python tutorial has consistently been one of the top PyCon
tutorials. It doesn't have really anything new, but condenses a lot of
information that I wish someone had provided to me. It is nothing sexy, but
is a stepping stone for more advanced stuff. My short books are an attempt
to provide these stepping stones in a condensed format. The assumption that
all attendees are experts at PyCON, local user groups, etc is not true.
There are quite a few people interested in the stone stepping.

-matt
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