Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Torsten Schlabach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and we can bury SIP finally. Joking ? Sip support is really important. Most VideOIP software support it. -- %---% Michel memeteau Blog 0.2 : http://memeteau.free.fr Fixe : 0874763294 Mobile : 0624808051 VOIP | Visio: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber/GoogleTalk : xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*
and we can bury SIP finally. Joking ? Sip support is really important. Most VideOIP software support it. Keep cool! I think all he wanted to say was: Nobody who does not *want* to use SIP but would rather prefer IAX2 (for example, because he's behind a NAT firewall and has problems to make STUN work properly) will not be forced into SIP anymore. If IAX2 will marginalize SIP (as SIP did with H.323) is to be seen. Just wondering, and yes, this is entirely off-topic: Does IAX2 support video? Regards, Torsten ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*
any more. On the other hand, if GSM operators keep one thing up, it's their termination fees. (They usually keep them exactly at what the regulators allow them to charge.) There is nothing wrong with GSM, don't get me wrong. But again, IMO regulation would be needed to force them to open up their networks to VoIP. If all that would happen, then a VoIP client (such as Ekiga for example) would be as popular as a webbrowser (such as Mozilla, for example) just because everybody needs it, not just some geeks. And by the way: (1) Damien currently has 248 error reports on bugzilla unresolved No, not Damien. The Ekiga community. If you're annoyed by a bug, you got two choices: Use something else which is better (for many people this isn't Skype) or fix it. If you're a business and have a business need: Pay someone to fix it. Regards, Torsten Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:17:49 -0400 Von: Stuart Lesnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Ekiga mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org Betreff: Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* If find Dee's comment interesting since, I came from the Windows/Skype community to investigate UBUNTU/Ekiga or at that time gnome community. I think 2 things have happend: (1) Damien currently has 248 error reports on bugzilla unresolved and the ekiga windows package even in beta form has always run much better. (2) SKYPE own this all ready established market and he's looking for a free ride. Personally, I have had nothing but link-ekiga and received nothing but attitude from Damien some of the other staff members have very hard and my thanks to them. I hope they will work to cleanup the current bugs on linux. I have used SKYPE for 2 years very successfully. Stu On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 09:20 +, D Webb wrote: Le mercredi 02 avril 2008 à 00:57 +0200, Torsten Schlabach a écrit : Mhmmm ... 2 hours before the end of April 1st! You got me for some minutes. It was indeed an April Fool ;-) -- _ Damien Sandras Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. Dee __ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*
numbers as this is a prerequisite for serious competition among telcos (fixed and mobile). Why would we want to drop these achievements without any need? Coming back to the infancy of VoIP telephony: Don't mix up geeks and the rest of us. Skype looks successful, because a lot of people who have a PC have downloaded it once in their live. There is a ratio of downloaded copies versus users online of 10:1 or worse. And even if you take the some 2-digit million downloads of Skype, that would make for a market share in the single digit percents. No, not of the VoIP market, of the telephone calls market. Any medium sized european country will have more GSM subscribers than Skype worldwide. I can see a number of roadblocks for the further success of VoIP telephony: * Protocol fight. That SIP / H.323 / IAX2 thing is like the VHS / Beta or HD-DVD / BlueRay thing. Did SMTP / RFC822 ever have to seriously compete against any other protocols? I am very frustrated that often I can find a VoIP termination provider which is offering nice rates for a certain destination, but unfortunately, they don't speak my protocol. * The de-facto ENUM boycott. There is exactly one way to handle this IMO: Regulation. Period. Telco's don't want is, as they did not want number portability as they did not want a lot of other things. * Flatrates and the GSM revolution. I know a number of countries where people know fixed line phones just from old movies and laught at it. Where people still use landline phones, more often than not you can get a flatrate for unlimited national landline calls, for a bit more also national mobile networks or landlines on the same continent. The argument that VoIP is cheaper only work in niche situations any more. On the other hand, if GSM operators keep one thing up, it's their termination fees. (They usually keep them exactly at what the regulators allow them to charge.) There is nothing wrong with GSM, don't get me wrong. But again, IMO regulation would be needed to force them to open up their networks to VoIP. If all that would happen, then a VoIP client (such as Ekiga for example) would be as popular as a webbrowser (such as Mozilla, for example) just because everybody needs it, not just some geeks. And by the way: (1) Damien currently has 248 error reports on bugzilla unresolved No, not Damien. The Ekiga community. If you're annoyed by a bug, you got two choices: Use something else which is better (for many people this isn't Skype) or fix it. If you're a business and have a business need: Pay someone to fix it. Regards, Torsten Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:17:49 -0400 Von: Stuart Lesnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Ekiga mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org Betreff: Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* If find Dee's comment interesting since, I came from the Windows/Skype community to investigate UBUNTU/Ekiga or at that time gnome community. I think 2 things have happend: (1) Damien currently has 248 error reports on bugzilla unresolved and the ekiga windows package even in beta form has always run much better. (2) SKYPE own this all ready established market and he's looking for a free ride. Personally, I have had nothing but link-ekiga and received nothing but attitude from Damien some of the other staff members have very hard and my thanks to them. I hope they will work to cleanup the current bugs on linux. I have used SKYPE for 2 years very successfully. Stu On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 09:20 +, D Webb wrote: Le mercredi 02 avril 2008 à 00:57 +0200, Torsten Schlabach a écrit : Mhmmm ... 2 hours before the end of April 1st! You got me for some minutes. It was indeed an April Fool ;-) -- _ Damien Sandras Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. Dee __ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*
Le mercredi 02 avril 2008 à 00:57 +0200, Torsten Schlabach a écrit : Mhmmm ... 2 hours before the end of April 1st! You got me for some minutes. It was indeed an April Fool ;-) -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*
Le mercredi 02 avril 2008 à 00:57 +0200, Torsten Schlabach a écrit : Mhmmm ... 2 hours before the end of April 1st! You got me for some minutes. It was indeed an April Fool ;-) -- _ Damien Sandras Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. Dee _ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164ocid=T003MSN51N1653A___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*
Hi Dee! Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. I don't get you. Regards, Torsten ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*
--- Torsten Schlabach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dee! Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. I don't get you. Regards, Torsten ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list Well, the sad truth is that to make a program known/popular one has to make it running well on Windows, even though originally it could be a Linux/Unix program. I'm not talking about myself, I'm talking generally. Regards, Sergei. Applications From Scratch: http://appsfromscratch.berlios.de/ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*
If find Dee's comment interesting since, I came from the Windows/Skype community to investigate UBUNTU/Ekiga or at that time gnome community. I think 2 things have happend: (1) Damien currently has 248 error reports on bugzilla unresolved and the ekiga windows package even in beta form has always run much better. (2) SKYPE own this all ready established market and he's looking for a free ride. Personally, I have had nothing but link-ekiga and received nothing but attitude from Damien some of the other staff members have very hard and my thanks to them. I hope they will work to cleanup the current bugs on linux. I have used SKYPE for 2 years very successfully. Stu On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 09:20 +, D Webb wrote: Le mercredi 02 avril 2008 à 00:57 +0200, Torsten Schlabach a écrit : Mhmmm ... 2 hours before the end of April 1st! You got me for some minutes. It was indeed an April Fool ;-) -- _ Damien Sandras Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. Dee __ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Sergei Steshenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the sad truth is that to make a program known/popular one has to make it running well on Windows, even though originally it could be a Linux/Unix program. But Not really for a communication program. Let's say Windows messenger, Google talk, and others opensource SIp programs would support SIP completly , Ekiga would not really have to work hard on the Win32 build I think ; because you could talk easily with people on other OSes. Today is not the case and commercial/proprietary SIP software are not good enough , so there is need and room for Win32 ekiga I guess ... -- %---% Michel memeteau Blog 0.2 : http://memeteau.free.fr Fixe : 0874763294 Mobile : 0624808051 VOIP | Visio: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber/GoogleTalk : xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*
Dee, Nothing against your comment, but i cannot resist this post. Following this logic, since windoze is an unstable and insecure product that people pay for, it would be fitting that ekiga for windows would have to also become a unstable, and insecure product that is not free. This will save the team work - just release the alpha version for win32, and ensure all errors end with a blue screen that blames the problem on some other application. :) D Webb wrote: Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. I don't get you. Regards, Torsten Stepping back our steps, it would be fitting for Ekiga for Windows to be a commercial product since Windows is a commercial product. Dee Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164ocid=T003MSN51N1653A ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list -- Shawn Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*
--- Shawn Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dee, Nothing against your comment, but i cannot resist this post. Following this logic, since windoze is an unstable and insecure product that people pay for, it would be fitting that ekiga for windows would have to also become a unstable, and insecure product that is not free. This will save the team work - just release the alpha version for win32, and ensure all errors end with a blue screen that blames the problem on some other application. :) D Webb wrote: Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. I don't get you. Regards, Torsten Stepping back our steps, it would be fitting for Ekiga for Windows to be a commercial product since Windows is a commercial product. Dee Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164ocid=T003MSN51N1653A ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list -- Shawn Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list And it may be a good idea to perform QA work - let Windows users suffer _grin_. Regards, Sergei. Applications From Scratch: http://appsfromscratch.berlios.de/ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*
Le mercredi 02 avril 2008 à 11:17 -0400, Stuart Lesnett a écrit : If find Dee's comment interesting since, I came from the Windows/Skype community to investigate UBUNTU/Ekiga or at that time gnome community. I think 2 things have happend: (1) Damien currently has 248 error reports on bugzilla unresolved and the ekiga windows package even in beta form has always run much better. (2) SKYPE own this all You should not make generalities out of your personal experience. Notice also that there are 188 reports (I had to do some clean ups) - 101 features requests - 87 reported problems By comparison, a product like nautilus (which has far more users, but less complexity and dependencies on weird things like audio and video devices and hardware) has 1940 bug reports. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*
Mhmmm ... 2 hours before the end of April 1st! You got me for some minutes. Regards, Torsten Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:57:33 +0200 Von: Damien Sandras [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Ekiga mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org, ekiga-devel-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* Hello, I just put the news on http://www.ekiga.org : Due to the big popularity of the Microsoft Windows operating system compared to the GNU/Linux desktop, we have decided to put all our efforts on the WIN32 port of Ekiga. Due to the increased amount of work and the lack of spare time, Ekiga 3.00 will only be released for WIN32. While Ekiga 3.00 will stay free (as free beer), it will be the last version to be completely free. From Ekiga 3.20, Ekiga will become a shareware with a small license fee to use either Ekiga or its associated platform Ekiga.net. The money that it will generate will finally allow us to live from our project instead of spending countless hours for free on it. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Ekiga-devel-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-devel-list ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
