RE: [Elecraft] KXAT1 with dipole

2006-08-23 Thread Dan Presley


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You should not have had any trouble with a center fed dipole, Dan. The issue
with the KX1 ATU, as with any ATU, is impedance extremes. Because of the
limited number of inductors and capacitors that could be fitted into the
tiny space available in the KX1, it has a more limited tuning range than any
of the other Elecraft tuners.

The end of a dipole presents a very high impedance, possibly in the
thousands of ohms. At the other extreme, a very short antenna will present a
very low impedance, often less than an ohm. Actually, end-fed short antennas
often tune up more easily because they are working against ground and
typically Hams have lousy RF grounds G. Even with several radials the
ground impedance will likely be in the tens or, more likely, the hundreds of
ohms. That's in series with the antenna so what the tuner is matching is a
total impedance of perhaps a hundred ohms or more. The fraction of an ohm
that the antenna represents is just part of the total. It's also why such
antennas have a very, very low efficiency: often less than a few percent.

In your case, I'd suspect you had an unlucky length of feed line. Unless the
SWR is truly 1:1 on that feeder, something that is almost never achieved in
practice, the feed line acts like a random impedance transformer. I suspect
you got unlucky and the combination of the effect of surrounding objects,
antenna length, feeder impedance and feeder length all added up to an
impedance the KX1 ATU couldn't handle. Adding a few feet of feed line will
usually fix that.

Another possibility is a short or open, as you suggested.

Ron AC7AC

Thanks,Ron and all of those who replied for the good advice. I'm 
betting you're right on the money as far as feedline length. I'll put 
the antenna back up and check it with my dipper to see how it reads, 
and also with the rig in 'cal' (tuner bypass) mode. That'll tell me 
also if there's a short somewhere too. I tend to forget about the 
feedline length as I often just use an endfed wire from the KX1, or 
at home I use ladder line. I know this can still happen with ladder 
line, but perhaps less of an issue than coax.Besides, the ol' Johnson 
matchbox is pretty forgiving:)

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Re: [Elecraft] KXAT1 with dipole

2006-08-23 Thread Karl Larsen
   Guys, my money is on the connector on the feedline. It must have a 
short developed since the last time you used it. Or the short might be 
at the antenna feed point.


   The feed line length is just not a factor even when there is RF on 
the shield, and there is some.


   The MFJ Antenna Analyser will find the problem. I love mine.

73 Karl K5DI



Dan Presley wrote:


---

You should not have had any trouble with a center fed dipole, Dan. 
The issue

with the KX1 ATU, as with any ATU, is impedance extremes. Because of the
limited number of inductors and capacitors that could be fitted into the
tiny space available in the KX1, it has a more limited tuning range 
than any

of the other Elecraft tuners.

The end of a dipole presents a very high impedance, possibly in the
thousands of ohms. At the other extreme, a very short antenna will 
present a
very low impedance, often less than an ohm. Actually, end-fed short 
antennas

often tune up more easily because they are working against ground and
typically Hams have lousy RF grounds G. Even with several radials 
the
ground impedance will likely be in the tens or, more likely, the 
hundreds of
ohms. That's in series with the antenna so what the tuner is matching 
is a
total impedance of perhaps a hundred ohms or more. The fraction of an 
ohm
that the antenna represents is just part of the total. It's also why 
such
antennas have a very, very low efficiency: often less than a few 
percent.


In your case, I'd suspect you had an unlucky length of feed line. 
Unless the
SWR is truly 1:1 on that feeder, something that is almost never 
achieved in
practice, the feed line acts like a random impedance transformer. I 
suspect
you got unlucky and the combination of the effect of surrounding 
objects,

antenna length, feeder impedance and feeder length all added up to an
impedance the KX1 ATU couldn't handle. Adding a few feet of feed line 
will

usually fix that.

Another possibility is a short or open, as you suggested.

Ron AC7AC

Thanks,Ron and all of those who replied for the good advice. I'm 
betting you're right on the money as far as feedline length. I'll put 
the antenna back up and check it with my dipper to see how it reads, 
and also with the rig in 'cal' (tuner bypass) mode. That'll tell me 
also if there's a short somewhere too. I tend to forget about the 
feedline length as I often just use an endfed wire from the KX1, or at 
home I use ladder line. I know this can still happen with ladder line, 
but perhaps less of an issue than coax.Besides, the ol' Johnson 
matchbox is pretty forgiving:)


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[Elecraft] RE: Does KX1 have CW spot?

2006-08-23 Thread Steven Pituch
 Hi Alan and Don and all,

Yes, it is not really a problem not having a CW spot button on the KX1.  I
am supposing that the narrow position of the filter is such that you
probably can get within about 50 Hertz or so of the target.  I realize now
that the rig can't send an audio tone simutaneously with being in receive
mode.

I am not sure how the audio feedback works but I figured someone may have
figured out how to activate a command and get audio feedback on the same
frequency as the sidetone and use that to estimate proper pitch.  It was
just a thought.

What I really need to do is borrow a KX1 and use it for awhile to get a feel
for the rig.  I think I can swing that locally.

Thanks all for the input.

Steve, W2MY

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[Elecraft] N2CQ QRP Contest Calendar: Aug 26 - Sep 25, 2006

2006-08-23 Thread Ken Newman

~
N2CQ QRP CONTEST CALENDAR 
August 26 - September 25, 2006 
~
Hawaii QSO Party (CW/SSB/Digital) ... QRP Category   
Aug 26, 0700z to Aug 27, 2200z

Rules: http://www.karc.us/hi_qso_party.html
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Ohio QSO Party (CW/SSB) ... QRP Category
Aug 26, 1600z to Aug 27, 0400z
Rules: http://www.oqp.us/
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SLOVENIA CONTEST CLUB RTTY Championship .. 100W Category
Aug 26, 1200z to Aug 27, 1159z
Rules: http://lea.hamradio.si/~scc/rtty/htmlrules.htm
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Colorado QRP Club Summer VHF/UHF QSO Party (CW/SSB/FM)
Aug 27, 1600z to 2000z
Rules: http://www.cqc.org/contests/index.htm
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QRP BARBERSHOP QUARTET CONTEST (CW QRP)... QRP Contest!
Aug 30, 9 PM to 11 PM EDT  
Rules: http://www.io.com/~n5fc/barbershop_contest.htm

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Wake-Up! QRP Sprint (CW) *** QRP Contest ***
Sep 02, 0400z to 0600z
Rules: http://www.qrp.ru/sprint_e.htm
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IARU Region 1 Fieldday (SSB)... QRP Category
Sep 02, 1300z to Sep 03, 1300z
Rules: http://www.sk3bg.se/contest/iarur1fd.htm
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AGCW Straight Key Party (CW - 40 Meters) ... QRP Category
Sep 02, 1300z to 1600z
Rules: http://www.agcw.org/agcw-con/2006/Englisch/htp_e.htm
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Michigan QRP Labor Day Sprint (CW) *** QRP CONTEST! ***
Sep 04, 2300z to Sep 05, 0300z
Rules: http://www.qsl.net/miqrpclub/contest.html
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Adventure Radio Spartan Sprint (CW) *** QRP CONTEST! ***
Sep 05, 0100z to 0300z  (First Monday 9 PM EDT)
Rules: http://www.arsqrp.com/
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FISTS G3ZQS Memorial Straight Key Contest ... QRP Category
Sep 08, 2300z to Sep 10, 2300z
Rules: http://www.fists.org/straightkey.html
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Worked All Europe DX Contest (SSB)   100W Power Category
Sep 09, z to Sep 10, 2400z
Rules: http://www.darc.de/referate/dx/fedcw.htm
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Swiss HTC QRP Sprint (CW) *** QRP Contest ***
Sep 09, 1300z to 1900z
Rules: http://www.htc.ch/de/htc_sprint_contest.htm
or: http://www.sk3bg.se/contest/htcqrpsp.htm
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ARRL September VHF QSO Party (All)  Low Power Category
Sep 09, 1800z to Sep 11, 0300z
Rules: http://www.arrl.org/contests/calendar.html?year=2006
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Second Class Operator Club Marathon (CW) *** QRP Contest ***
Sep 09, 1800z to 2400z
Rules: http://www.qsl.net/soc/contests.htm#top
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NA Sprint (CW)... QRP Category
Sep 10, z to 0400z
Rules: http://www.ncjweb.com/sprintrules.php
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Tennessee QSO Party (SSB/CW/Dig) ... QRP Category
Sep 10, 1800z to Sep 11, 0100z
Rules: http://www.k4ro.net/tcg.html
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End of Summer PSK31 Sprint *** QRP Contest ***
Sep 10, 2000z to 2400z
Rules: http://www.qrparci.org
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FISTS: Get Your Feet Wet Weekend ... QRP Category
Sep 15, z to Sep 18, z
Rules: http://www.fists.org/getfeetwet.html
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AGB NEMIGA Contest (80M CW/SSB) ... QRP Category
Sept 15, 2100z to 2400z
Rules: http://www.qsl.net/eu1eu/agb_nemiga.htm
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PODXS 070 Club 80m Autumn Sprint (PSK31) ... QRP Category
Sep 15, 2000 Local to 0200 Local
Rules: http://podxs.com/html/070_club.html
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Scandinavian  Activity Contest (CW) ... QRP Category
Sep 16, 1200z to Sep 17, 1200z
Rules: http://www.sk3bg.se/contest/sacnsc.htm
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South Carolina QSO Party (ALL) ... QRP Category
Sep 16, 1300z to Sep 17, 2100z
Rules: http://www.kf4ghc.net/
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QRP Afield (All) *** QRP Contest ***
Sep 16, 1500z to 2100z  
Rules: http://www.qsl.net/wq1rp/

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Washington State Salmon Run (CW/SSB) ... QRP Category
Sep 16, 1600z to Sep 17, 0700z
Sep 17, 1600z to Sep 17, 2400z
Rules: http://www.wwdxc.org/salmonrun/rules.htm
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NA Sprint (SSB)... QRP Category
Sep 17, z to 0400z
Rules: 

[Elecraft] K2 CW Tuning Indicators

2006-08-23 Thread Roy Morris
Are tuning indicator kits for the K2 available?  If so, who is making them?  
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 CW Tuning Indicators

2006-08-23 Thread Tom Hammond

Hi Roy:

I believe Ed Breneiser, WA3WSJ [EMAIL PROTECTED], still offers 
the complete kits.


I still offer the boards (alone), $6 ppd stateside/$7 DX, and you 
provide your own parts.


73,

Tom HammondN0SS

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Are tuning indicator kits for the K2 available?  If so, who is 
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[Elecraft] k2 #4930 completed

2006-08-23 Thread g0wfhchris
hi all im happy to say that k2# 4930 is up and running 
the build went without a hitch everything is working
ok this is my 3rd k2 
options to be ordered soon /knb2 /k160rx /kat2 /k60xv /
i gess i must be a elecraft junkie to
bring on the amps and k3
73 chris g0wfh
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[Elecraft] Another K2 Mod

2006-08-23 Thread w6jd
Forget the K3! Forget the all the little nit-picky firmware mods...what the K2 
needs is a BLACK PANEL That has to be worth another $100 at least!

Doug
W6JD
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Re: [Elecraft] Another K2 Mod

2006-08-23 Thread Bill NY9H
I remember back years ago , having a blank TT 509 front panel 
anodized black,  guess I spent too many years in the consumer 
audio business.


Then  I learned to appreciate the old tt GREY ( INSTRUMENTATION) 
 with a whole string of TT boxes... Titan / Herc/ 253/238/omni6,

I like the K2 graphics right in between,.,,,

Now see what the new ICOM receiver looks like .
back to the hp type instrumentation gray  like TT  had.,..

even Bob Heils mics have gone all the way to RETRO

what goes around...

bill


.what the K2 needs is a BLACK PANEL That has to be worth another 
$100 at least!


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[Elecraft] TT Triton IV - How does it compare to the K2?

2006-08-23 Thread Darwin, Keith
Any TT fans out there?  How is the Triton IV receiver in terms of:
 
 - Receiver quietness
 - Recovered audio tone / quality
 - IF filtering (I know it is audio in the TT rig)
 
I'm thinking it will be my next old rig to play with but wondered if
anyone who has both a Triton and a K2 can comment on how they compare.
 
- Keith KD1E -
- K2 5411 -
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Re: [Elecraft] Another K2 Mod

2006-08-23 Thread Phil Kane
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:34:41 -0500, Bill NY9H wrote:

Then  I learned to appreciate the old tt GREY ( INSTRUMENTATION) 
  with a whole string of TT boxes... Titan / Herc/ 253/238/omni6,

  Gee...my TT RX320D software-controlled receivers are plain
  black.three jacks (libe out, spkr out, 12V pwr in), a DB-9
  connector and an on-off switch. No dials, no knobs, no pilot
  lights.  Handy for putting on the top shelf of the bookcase
  behind all the manuals!

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[Elecraft] ALL BOATANCHORS ARE SPOKEN FOR

2006-08-23 Thread Ed - K9EW

The response was overwhelming... In less than 24hr, all boatanchors
were spoken for.  I will respond individually to everyone who emailed
me, but I just wanted to say Thanks right now, and to let you know
you will be hearing from me later today.

It was really gratifying to see how many are still interested in this
part of Ham History.

73,
ed - k9ew
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[Elecraft] RE: KX1 Sidetone--N0MF's Technique

2006-08-23 Thread Mike Fitzgibbon

Gentlemen, Steve...

   A CW sidetone IS available for matching to the received signal 
tone...and here's how it is done:


   1)  Enter the menu and rotate main tuning to StP (sidetone pitch).

   2) Exit menu with two quick taps of menu button.

   Now, when you hold down(not just tap) the menu button you will 
get the sidetone at whatever pitch you have it set...  and to exit/shut 
it off...simply tap menu key two times again.


   Of course, this has to be set up every time you shut off/ power 
up the rig...but hey...it's easy and works just FB for Fitzie (that be 
me)...


  Mike Fitzgibbon   N0MF


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Re: [Elecraft] RE: KX1 Sidetone--N0MF's Technique

2006-08-23 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.

Right, but it mutes the RX, which the K2 and K1 don't do.
Leigh/WA5ZNU
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 1:09 pm, Mike Fitzgibbon wrote:
   A CW sidetone IS available for matching to the received signal 
tone...and here's how it is done:

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RE: [Elecraft] RE: KX1 Sidetone--N0MF's Technique

2006-08-23 Thread Steven Pituch
Hi Fitzie and all,
Great that's exactly what I was looking for.  I think sometimes its good to
hear the sidetone for a short burst to be confident that you've tuned in the
signal correct.  True, its not heard during receive, but I think it should
be good enough.
Steve, W2MY

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Subject: [Elecraft] RE: KX1 Sidetone--N0MF's Technique

Gentlemen, Steve...

A CW sidetone IS available for matching to the received signal
tone...and here's how it is done:

1)  Enter the menu and rotate main tuning to StP (sidetone pitch).

2) Exit menu with two quick taps of menu button.

Now, when you hold down(not just tap) the menu button you will get
the sidetone at whatever pitch you have it set...  and to exit/shut it
off...simply tap menu key two times again.

Of course, this has to be set up every time you shut off/ power up
the rig...but hey...it's easy and works just FB for Fitzie (that be me)...

   Mike Fitzgibbon   N0MF

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[Elecraft] 2nd Generation Un-Module PCB Kits

2006-08-23 Thread Robert Johansen
I just received the Rework Eliminator Un-module kit and it went together
smoothly, very good instructions. It should come in handy if I need to
troubleshoot my K2  S/N 5622

73,
Bob Johansen WB2SRF
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[Elecraft] KX1 - Full power on internal battery

2006-08-23 Thread John Harper

Greetings QRPers,

I finally got around to doing something I've been pondering a while - 
installing a 12V battery inside my KX1 to allow for full power out rather 
than the much-reduced level available when using 6 internal AA cells.


Description and a cheesy photo are here for those interested:

http://www.ae5x.com/kx1.html

John Harper AE5X
Portable QRP: http://www.ae5x.com




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Re: [Elecraft] KXAT1 with dipole

2006-08-23 Thread Dan Presley
   Guys, my money is on the connector on the feedline. It must have 
a short developed since the last time you used it. Or the short 
might be at the antenna feed point.


   The feed line length is just not a factor even when there is RF 
on the shield, and there is some.



Sorry Karl-Ron had it exactly right.Feedline length is always a 
potential factor; I've run into it before and just forgot.Both with 
coax and ladder line sometimes you have to add or subtract a bit for 
impedance mismatch. You can look it up in the ARRL handbook In fact, 
you can even do a fair matching job with ladder line bypassing a 
tuner with the correct lengths.I added two feet of feedline and it 
loaded right up sweet as pie. I also should have realized it wasn't a 
shorted feedline as it still took some power and signal strengths 
were not hugely different as when there's nothing connected.

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Re: [Elecraft] KXAT1 with dipole

2006-08-23 Thread Karl Larsen

Dan Presley wrote:
   Guys, my money is on the connector on the feedline. It must have a 
short developed since the last time you used it. Or the short might 
be at the antenna feed point.


   The feed line length is just not a factor even when there is RF on 
the shield, and there is some.



Sorry Karl-Ron had it exactly right.Feedline length is always a 
potential factor; I've run into it before and just forgot.
   I'm sorry Dan, I have no idea what was wrong because I'm not there. 
But to say you changed the feed line and then it tuned up fine is not to 
me correct. I am an Electrical  Engineer and I studied feed lines and 
antenna design. I do things with a Smith Chart.


   If your dipole has an impedance of 72 ohms, which it really does at 
it's resonance frequency, then that impedance is what your feed line is 
seeing and it's characteristic impedance (RG-217) is 50 ohms. I plot 
both on my Smith Chart and look for a feed line length that will give a 
really bad low or high impedance at the transmitter end. I only need to 
look at the first half wavelength since it just repeats itself.


   I find the lowest impedance occurs at 240 degrees and is 28+j30. The 
highest is 120 -j12 at near a half wave. Now either of these should be 
possible for your tuner to tune. Your right the impedance changes 
between these values and if your very careful you can get close to 50 
+j0. But why?


   Now in my house I have a 88 foot dipole fed in the center with 450 
ohm windowed feed line of random electrical length. The SWR can get to 
12:1 on some bands and the loss goes up to near 5%. I get out just fine 
and am Net Control for several nets on 80 and 40 meters.


   I am sorry but my experience and training make it hard to understand 
your results.


73 Karl K5DI

PS: If you want the Smith Chart I can mail it to you.


Both with coax and ladder line sometimes you have to add or subtract a 
bit for impedance mismatch. You can look it up in the ARRL handbook In 
fact, you can even do a fair matching job with ladder line bypassing a 
tuner with the correct lengths.I added two feet of feedline and it 
loaded right up sweet as pie. I also should have realized it wasn't a 
shorted feedline as it still took some power and signal strengths were 
not hugely different as when there's nothing connected.


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RE: [Elecraft] KXAT1 with dipole

2006-08-23 Thread Don Wilhelm
I believe two points need to be made about this:
First, if the SWR on the feedline was 1:1, changing the length of the
feedline would have no effect.  The conclusion is that the original SWR had
to have been something other than 1:1.
Secondly, the inductance and capacitance range of the KXAT1 is limited (3
inductors and 3 capacitors), the result of that is the impedance matching
range decreases as the frequency is reduced.  On 80 meters, the matching
range is quite narrow, a bit better on 40, but on 30 and 20, the range
becomes broader so that one can match most anything on 20 meters.

73,
Don W3FPR


 -Original Message-
 Sorry Karl-Ron had it exactly right.Feedline length is always a
 potential factor; I've run into it before and just forgot.Both with
 coax and ladder line sometimes you have to add or subtract a bit for
 impedance mismatch. You can look it up in the ARRL handbook In fact,
 you can even do a fair matching job with ladder line bypassing a
 tuner with the correct lengths.I added two feet of feedline and it
 loaded right up sweet as pie. I also should have realized it wasn't a
 shorted feedline as it still took some power and signal strengths
 were not hugely different as when there's nothing connected.
 --


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[Elecraft] Re: [QRP-L] Japan Ham Fair 2006 photos,

2006-08-23 Thread Martin Gillen

Hi, Folks.

Some confirmation from Nobuki:

-- Forwarded message --
From: THP info [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Aug 23, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: HT-200 Question?
To: Martin Gillen [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hello,
Extracted specs are ;

Freq.  :  1.8 ~54MHz
RX   :0.5~54MHz
Mode :  SSB, CW, AM. FM
DC  :   13.8V  TX   4A max
   RX1A max
Size  :   154w x 56 h x 175 d mm
Wt  :2.0kgs

TX P.O. :   10W HF,  20W 6m

RX  :   Double Conv. Superhet.
IF  :   45MHz,  2nd  455kHz
AF  :  1W

We will disclose as we know more about teh new toy !

73,   Nobuki,  JA1DJW
-
TOKYO  HY-POWER  LABS., INC.
1-1 Hatanaka  3chome,  Niiza  Saitama  352-0012
JAPAN
Phone: 048-481-1211   FAX: 048-479-6949
e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: http://www.thp.co.jp
-

- Original Message -
From: Martin Gillen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:00 AM
Subject: HT-200 Question?



Hi,

I was hoping you could confirm something?

I was quite excited to read about the new HT-200:

http://www.onjapan.net/2006/hamfair/img_1960.jpg

I do not read/write Japanese :)

I read that:

Current on Transmit = 5A.
Current on Receive = 1A.

Is this correct?

Do you have an english translation of the HT-200 specification?

Thanks,
Martin.


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RE: [Elecraft] KXAT1 with dipole

2006-08-23 Thread Alan Biocca
Changing feedline length makes two important differences. One in the 
internal path length (which makes an impedance transformation) and one in 
the external path (if there is not an adequately effective balun at the 
feedpoint). The impedance of this outside path can vary over a considerable 
range, and depending on the impedance of the antenna this extra wire 
connected to the antenna can have a wide range of effects. Model your 
antenna as a simple vee with a source in the middle, and then attach a wire 
equal in length to the feedline and see how the current and impedance are 
disrupted. The extra wire (outside of the coax) is end loaded by the rig 
and whatever else is at that end of things, so it is hard to model 
precisely. The end loading will make the extra conductor much longer than 
actual length, and it may be strongly coupled to earth.


-- Alan wb6zqz


At 06:42 PM 8/23/2006, Don Wilhelm wrote:

I believe two points need to be made about this:
First, if the SWR on the feedline was 1:1, changing the length of the
feedline would have no effect.  The conclusion is that the original SWR had
to have been something other than 1:1.
Secondly, the inductance and capacitance range of the KXAT1 is limited (3
inductors and 3 capacitors), the result of that is the impedance matching
range decreases as the frequency is reduced.  On 80 meters, the matching
range is quite narrow, a bit better on 40, but on 30 and 20, the range
becomes broader so that one can match most anything on 20 meters.

73,
Don W3FPR


 -Original Message-
 Sorry Karl-Ron had it exactly right.Feedline length is always a
 potential factor; I've run into it before and just forgot.Both with
 coax and ladder line sometimes you have to add or subtract a bit for
 impedance mismatch. You can look it up in the ARRL handbook In fact,
 you can even do a fair matching job with ladder line bypassing a
 tuner with the correct lengths.I added two feet of feedline and it
 loaded right up sweet as pie. I also should have realized it wasn't a
 shorted feedline as it still took some power and signal strengths
 were not hugely different as when there's nothing connected.


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[Elecraft] K2 price increase

2006-08-23 Thread Dr. Dan Swartling

Did the K2 just go from 599 to 629 $US, or do I need new glasses?

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