[Elecraft] K3 and XV144 strange behaviour

2008-09-10 Thread Giulio Pico - IW3HVB
I noticed a strange behaviour during the last IARU VHF Contest last 
weekend.
With our team we managed to have a first field test of the rig 
coming for our experience with the K2/xv144 MHz combination the 
expectations were high.
The setup was composed by the K3 and a XV144 transverter, plus a Power 
amplifier, a preamplifier at the antenna (with some 30 mt of 1/2 
cellflex line) and two stacked 19 elements Log Loop Yagis.
The switching sequence was controled by an external sequencer drived by 
a foot pedal.
On the receiving side the combo was wonderful, the dynamic range allowed 
us to manage very well in the pretty crowded 2 mt band.

But we had some troubles mainly on TX.
Let say that our P.A. needs to be drived with circa 7/10 Watts at 
maximum (depending on the mode, SSB or CW). It's made from 2 x 4CX250B 
in push-pull configuration.
So I tuned the transverter to go from a range of 1 W (with -10 dBm drive 
from the KXV3 module) to a mazimum of 10 W (with 0 dBm of drive).
Things have worked pretty smoothly most of the time, but on a few 
occasions, we noticed a sudden loss of output power from the transverter 
(and from the P.A. of course).
Turning the K3 off and on again the transverter didn't power up. The 
XV144 label on the front panel flashed for a brief moment and then 
stayed off.
Changing band to HF and back again on 144 MHz (TRV1) and the XV144 
module powered up again. Not always on the first try.
Once powered up most of the times the output power was correct, but 
occasionally we had to do the procedure three or four times before 
coming back to normal functioning.


Any clues of the reasons of this behaviour???

73 de Giulio IW3HVB

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[Elecraft] Re: K3 - IF out - again

2008-09-10 Thread Dave G4AON

Jim

The level is very low, you are unlikely to see it on a scope, it can be 
seen on a spectrum analyser.


73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80
---
What is the output level of the IF out on the transverter KXV3 option?
Do I have to turn on something to get it to activate?

I am trying to connect a K3 Softrock V6.2 to use as a panadapter and cannot
see any output on my scope (techtronics 475) from the IF output connector on
the K3.

Thanks es 73, de Jim KG0KP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and XV144 strange behaviour

2008-09-10 Thread Giulio Pico - IW3HVB

Before you ask...
Firmware Revisions: MCU 2.34; DSP 1.89.

73 de Giulio IW3HVB.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Digital audio out ?

2008-09-10 Thread David Woolley (E.L)

Simon (HB9DRV) wrote:


For audio there's SKYPE and IP-Sound. Take a look at 
http://forums.ham-radio.ch/forumdisplay.php?f=46 for a lot of remote 
radio discussions.


SKYPE uses a proprietary voice only codec.  Being proprietary means that 
its exact limitations will be unknown, but it is unlikely to perform 
well for data modes when operating close to the noise floor and it may 
well not work well for very noisy speech.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Digital audio out ?

2008-09-10 Thread Simon (HB9DRV)
For noisy speech it's not at all bad. For data modes - write your own seems 
to be the best option, this is what I plan to do for DM780 sometime. Sending 
data around at 8kHz with (estimated) 25% overhead is not a big problem, it's 
a trivial programming task, just takes some time to design and the implement 
it properly.


Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com

- Original Message - 
From: David Woolley (E.L) [EMAIL PROTECTED]


SKYPE uses a proprietary voice only codec.  Being proprietary means that 
its exact limitations will be unknown, but it is unlikely to perform well 
for data modes when operating close to the noise floor and it may well not 
work well for very noisy speech.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and XV144 strange behaviour

2008-09-10 Thread AD6XY

On receive we had persistent problems with people using lesser receivers and
similar transmit power not being able to copy us because of QRM. DLs
especially. We heard many very strong signals but none excessively wide. 

We also had system problems though not the same, or at least the same but
partly fixed.  In our case the 9-way D connector was at fault, unless fully
screwed in it was found to not be making a good contact. Fully screwing it
in fixed that of course, nothing to do with the K3. 

Our main K3 related problem was the inconsistent power output. We were also
using a pair of 4CX250Bs, parallel rather than push pull. To avoid over
drive splatter, the amplifier trips out if any significant grid current
occurs. The power spikes I have noted before made tuning up the drive with
the PA on impossible. The correct drive was set, in incremental steps with
the spike dealt with by keying with the PA off for the first transmission,
then enabling the PA and seeing if the drive was sufficient. Once set the
power would not stay fixed, it would sometimes drop by maybe 2-3 dB. Just
adjusting the power one step up or down brought it back but with the usual
initial spike that would on occasion trip the amplifier protection. After a
couple of overs the power would drop back again.

While setting up we also did some transmit cleanliness checks with local
stations. The K3 + XV144 at about 7W output driving the pair of 4CX250Bs was
reported to be exceptionally clean with very good audio.

Considering this, the K3 plus XV144 while probably the best combination I
have ever come across on receive is not ready for use on transmit just yet
because of the ALC issue if you use a sensitive amplifier.

One other minor point, with large chunky VHF coaxial relays, the 20mS TX
delay is not quite long enough, but still much better than those rigs with
no TX delay at all! You probably still need a sequencer.


Mike



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 Before you ask...
 Firmware Revisions: MCU 2.34; DSP 1.89.
 
 73 de Giulio IW3HVB.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 ALC problem

2008-09-10 Thread David Woolley (E.L)

Gary D Krause wrote:


I've noticed that my power output on 40 meters LSB is a lot higher than 
expected.  I get four to five bars or more on the peaks in the ALC 
mode.  I even got a high current reading last night and I then turned 


The number of bars in ALC display mode does not indicate the output 
power; it indicates the transmit chain gain (more accurately the excess 
gain over that needed to achieve the demanded power).


The K2 does have more or less maximum gain on 40m.  I suspect that the 
gain drops with increasing frequency because the transistors' gain 
reduces with frequency, and it drops with decreasing frequency because 
the coupling transformers are less effective.


The ALC is greatest on 40m to stop the output power being greater.

the power back from 12 watts to 10.  I get 4 to five bars even at five 
watts.  It didn't make much difference and I've found that I need to 
hold the mic further away. I switched to USB on 40 meters and it looks 
fine.  It looks good on the higher USB frequencies also.  I've noticed 


That's weird.  Any difference between USB and LSB should switch between 
USB and LSB on the higher frequency bands.


that it is around 2 to three bars on 80 meters LSB which is normal 
according to the manual.


I'm wondering if it could be a carrier balance adjustment?  Any ideas 


A severe carrier balance problem would result in their being ALC bars 
lit when there was no audio.  As the carrier is also suppressed by the 
filter, I'm not sure that you would get enough leakage to trigger this, 
though.


If the sideband switched at higher frequencies, I would suggest the 
problem was that your filter 1 wasn't correctly aligned for one of the 
sidebands, but if it is always the one sideband that needs more ALC, I 
have difficulty in imagining a mechanism that would cause that.


would be greatly appreciated.  Everything else appears normal.  I've 
checked all solder connections on the SSB board several times and 
re-flowed the connections I considered suspect.



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[Elecraft] Re-here have all the K2s gone ?

2008-09-10 Thread f9oj.7

Hello
Sure, mine has gone west...!
# 0937 refused to transmit  while I was exchanging reports for the European 
Fielday. Receiving : OK, transmitting : nil !
I haven't opened the top cover yet, and if I can't find the bug, you'll 
probably hear of me.

Otherwise, very enjoyable rig I use as much as I can.
Best 73 to all
Jacques F9OJ 



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[Elecraft] K3 - 5 Mhz Band

2008-09-10 Thread Andrew Vine
I find that I cannot access three of the UK 5MHz channels, FA, FB and FC
being 5,258.5, 5,278.5 and 5,288.5 KHz respectively.  Presumably they fall
outside the programmed 5MHz Band edges.

 

Does anyone know if there is a fix for this ?

 

Andrew, m0gjh 

 

 

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[Elecraft] Re: Where have all the K2s Gone?

2008-09-10 Thread Dave G4AON
As I might have mentioned a few times... I use my K2 as an outboard 2nd 
receiver for my K3, it works very well and the most recent addition is a 
small project box with a pair of phono sockets to both mute the K2 and 
key my linear (Acom 1000, 12 Volt keying, just a few milliamps needed). 
The set-up comprises:


K3 with KXV3, route the RX RF OUT to an antenna splitter, one side of 
the splitter goes to RX RF IN, the other to the K2's RX only antenna 
input (needs the 160m option).


I mute the K2 by keying it on TX from the KEY OUT on the K3, put it 
into TEST mode on CW, turn the power to zero and set the sidetone to 
zero. TX delay is best set a bit longer than normal - 500 mS seems fine. 
I have a small 50 Ohm load on the main antenna socket of the K2 but it's 
not essential.


The antenna splitter is shown on my K3 page 
(http://www.astromag.co.uk/k3/) and comprises 2 x FT50-43 cores in a 
small project box. To key my linear and also mute the K2, I have another 
project box, 2 x phono sockets and a screened lead with a phono plug on 
it. I have a diode from each socket centre to the centre of the screened 
lead, anode to the phono socket centres. Take the phono plug to the KEY 
OUT, one phono socket goes to the KEY IN of the K2, the other to the KEY 
IN of the linear.


73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80
-
Still have K2, 5982 on the table. Need to get back and play with it.
I want to setup a vertical loop as a second antenna, so I can run
both the K2 and K3 at the same time. But first I need to build a new
launcher. Wrist-rocket bit the dust.

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[Elecraft] Re: K3 - 5 Mhz Band

2008-09-10 Thread Dave G4AON
Andrew, the lower band edge of my K3 is 5.150 MHz and the upper 5.420 
MHz (PTT below/above that results in an END messge and no TX)... I 
don't know why you would need a fix. Is your K3 different? Mine has 
the KBPF3 fitted, but I've checked the above with it disabled and it 
works with/without the KBPF3 enabled.


73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80 firmware 2.38
-

I find that I cannot access three of the UK 5MHz channels, FA, FB and FC
being 5,258.5, 5,278.5 and 5,288.5 KHz respectively. Presumably they fall
outside the programmed 5MHz Band edges.

Does anyone know if there is a fix for this ?

Andrew, m0gjh
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - IF out - again

2008-09-10 Thread Jack Smith
I've provided a lengthy study of the K3's IF output port at 
http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/elecraft_k3_and_panadapters.htm


Jack


Jim Miller wrote:

Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - IF out


Next stupid question,

What is the output level of the IF out on the transverter KXV3 option?
Do I have to turn on something to get it to activate?

I am trying to connect a K3 Softrock V6.2 to use as a panadapter and cannot
see any output on my scope (techtronics 475) from the IF output connector on
the K3.

Thanks es 73, de Jim KG0KP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Topics is bad subject line

2008-09-10 Thread Bill W5WVO
Very well said, Don. As a senior technical writer/editor with a
solid hardware engineering background, I can attest to the fact
that engineers' writing ranges all the way from crystal-clear,
perfectly composed expositive prose, to the utterly
incomprehensible. I remember getting a sentence in a draft paper
from an engineer once that literally could not be read in one
breath, try as we might to fill our lungs with air to the max
before starting and reading as fast as we could. :-)  Very
entertaining, but ultimately futile. That's why people like me
have jobs -- except I don't, at the moment. RIFfed in June (too
old, too expensive), still on vacation. :-)

Bill W5WVO


- Original Message - 
From: Don Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Elecraft Discussion List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Topics is bad subject line


 Charles,

 Sorry, but engineers and good, clear, concise writing do not
typically
 run together.
 Way back in engineering school, I had a 'Western Civilization
class
 professor who was bold enough to tell his sophomore class of EE
students
 that *his* class was the most important in the curriculum.  That
 statement generated a lot of snickers and side comments.  Then
over my
 years of real world engineering experience, I found that writing
and a
 knowledge of history were indeed the major  required assets of
any good
 engineer - one must be able to communicate effectively with
 non-engineering types.
  Unfortunately, that fact is usually learned too little, too
late and
 only in the 'school of hard knocks'.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 Charles Harpole wrote:
  ...  Until the engineers among us learn to use
 
  the English language, the subject lines now in use are mostly
useless.
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - IF out - again

2008-09-10 Thread Jim Miller
Thanks Dave, Jack and Jerry,

I've got some reading to do.  I am not getting any signal out of the chip
that clocks in the IF signal and drives the signal to the sound card.

73, Jim KG0KP

- Original Message - 
From: Jack Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jim Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - IF out - again


 I've provided a lengthy study of the K3's IF output port at
 http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/elecraft_k3_and_panadapters.htm

 Jack


 Jim Miller wrote:
  Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - IF out
 
 
  Next stupid question,
 
  What is the output level of the IF out on the transverter KXV3 option?
  Do I have to turn on something to get it to activate?
 
  I am trying to connect a K3 Softrock V6.2 to use as a panadapter and
cannot
  see any output on my scope (techtronics 475) from the IF output
connector on
  the K3.
 
  Thanks es 73, de Jim KG0KP
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[Elecraft] K3 Update Utility

2008-09-10 Thread Thom LaCosta
I recently obtained an IBM Thinkpad 600E laptop with Windows 98(Not 
second edition) with a whopping 128k of memory.


Can such a minimal configuration be used with the K3 update software?

What rig control software might also work with this box?

Thanks

Thom k3hrn

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and XV144 strange behaviour

2008-09-10 Thread Lyle Johnson

Considering this, the K3 plus XV144 while probably the best combination I
have ever come across on receive is not ready for use on transmit just yet
because of the ALC issue if you use a sensitive amplifier.


Next time you set this up and *after* you have the drive set, set 
CONFIG:TX ALC to OFF.  Then see if you have the same problem.


If you are running SSB, you might also try setting CMP to 0.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 bug mode there (sort of)?

2008-09-10 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Sounds like a market for paddles with adjustable tactile feedback, like some
of the high end game controllers. 

Give us Hams a chance and we'll replace a $100 bug with a $400 simulator
that is almost as good, Hi!

I agree that the bug feel is gone, but I can send okay on paddles emulating
a bug. It's very useful to me working portable where I don't want to carry
my bug.  

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
When I've tried this in the past I found that it has a very different feel
than a mechanical semi-automatic key paddle (bug).  I found it basically
impossible to send good-sounding code.  YMMV

Al N1AL


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - IF out - again

2008-09-10 Thread Jerry Flanders
If you have another receiver handy that can tune 8.2 MHz, use it to 
sniff at the K3 IF out. I think the signals are in the microvolt range.


Jerry W4UK

At 09:57 AM 9/10/2008, Jim Miller wrote:

Thanks Dave, Jack and Jerry,

I've got some reading to do.  I am not getting any signal out of the chip
that clocks in the IF signal and drives the signal to the sound card.

73, Jim KG0KP

- Original Message -
From: Jack Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jim Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - IF out - again


 I've provided a lengthy study of the K3's IF output port at
 http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/elecraft_k3_and_panadapters.htm

 Jack


 Jim Miller wrote:
  Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - IF out
 
 
  Next stupid question,
 
  What is the output level of the IF out on the transverter KXV3 option?
  Do I have to turn on something to get it to activate?
 
  I am trying to connect a K3 Softrock V6.2 to use as a panadapter and
cannot
  see any output on my scope (techtronics 475) from the IF output
connector on
  the K3.
 
  Thanks es 73, de Jim KG0KP
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[Elecraft] K3 External ALC Modification Question

2008-09-10 Thread Roger Marrotte
I'm in the process of implementing the K3 external ALC mod.  It is not clear
to me, between the picture and instructions supplied with the mod kit, what
is going on at the junction of the 69.8K, the 100K and the 137K resistors.
Is this junction floating above the board or soldered to one of the header
pins?  It kind of looks as if the junction is raised above the board but I'm
not at all sure.
 
Roger Marrotte, W1EM
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 External ALC Modification Question

2008-09-10 Thread Lyle Johnson

I'm in the process of implementing the K3 external ALC mod.  It is not clear
to me, between the picture and instructions supplied with the mod kit, what
is going on at the junction of the 69.8K, the 100K and the 137K resistors.


They converge on pin 9 of the connector, and are soldered to it.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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RE: [Elecraft] Where have all the K2s Gone?

2008-09-10 Thread Jukka Tarvainen
 Often they
 were concerned with peripheral questions such as stringing up an antenna,
 soldering, or wondering how to modify their rig to provide some wanted
 feature, or restoring operation after making a cloud of smoke.


K2/100 #4293 lost it's SSB smoke just before Region 1 field day. I have not
looked into it yet, but be patient, I will ask some questions later.

73
Jukka OH4MFA

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Re: [Elecraft] Where have all the K2s Gone?

2008-09-10 Thread Gary D Krause
I just posted a question about my K2 SSB yesterday.  I would agree that the 
number of posts has decreased concerning the other models.  In fact, I try not 
to read problems posted by K3 owners because, for one I wouldn't be much help 
and secondly, it would make me less inclined to buy a new K3!  I'm sure that's 
the kind of psychology Elecraft would rather avoid. :-)


Gary, N7HTS


On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:59:09 +0300
 Jukka Tarvainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Often they
were concerned with peripheral questions such as stringing up an antenna,
soldering, or wondering how to modify their rig to provide some wanted
feature, or restoring operation after making a cloud of smoke.



K2/100 #4293 lost it's SSB smoke just before Region 1 field day. I have not
looked into it yet, but be patient, I will ask some questions later.

73
Jukka OH4MFA

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 External ALC Modification Question

2008-09-10 Thread Lyle Johnson

Lyle Johnson wrote:
I'm in the process of implementing the K3 external ALC mod.  It is not 
clear
to me, between the picture and instructions supplied with the mod kit, 
what
is going on at the junction of the 69.8K, the 100K and the 137K 
resistors.


They converge on pin 9 of the connector, and are soldered to it.


I meant, the 9th pin from the nearer end of the connector.  In other 
words, the pad under which the leads from the three resistors come 
together in the photo is soldered to those leads.


73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 ALC problem

2008-09-10 Thread Don Wilhelm

Gary,

I would expect two possible causes.
One is the carrier balance adjustment.  Use a band below 21 MHz when 
adjusting and adjust for LSB first.  If you have an oscilloscope, the 
procedure is easy - connect a dummy load to the K2 and connect a paddle 
or straight key to the key jack.  The oscilloscope is to measure the RF 
output voltage, so connect it across the dummy load with a 10x probe and 
set the vertical sensitivity to its greatest setting.  In LSB mode, 
close the key (which activates PTT) and adjust the carrier balance for 
minimum RF.  That setting should occur close to the center of the 
trimpot.  Then check USB  If the USB carrier is greater than that for 
LSB, adjust the pot a very small amount to see if you can reduce  the 
carrier.  You may have to make some compromise to get the amount of 
carrier the same between LSB and USB.  Note, if you use this method, do 
not connect a microphone to the K2 and you do not have to set the menu 
for SSBA bal.  You can use a separate receiver to detect the minimum 
carrier in place of the oscilloscope as indicated in the KSB2 manual, 
but I suggest using the key to activate the PTT circuit rather than 
plugging in a microphone.  A mic with its PTT button pressed can pick up 
residual noise and cause a false indication.  This is easier done than 
to write about it.


The second possible problem is alignment of the SSB filter.  Use 
Spectrogram and set the BFO to position the OP1 filter passband between 
300 Hz and 2600 Hz markers (use 300 and 2300 if you have the 2.1kHz 
filter width or 300 and 2800 if you have the 2.6kHz filter width).  
Center the passband between the two markers.  Check both LSB and USB.


If you moved the SSB passband in the step above, re-visit the SSB 
carrier balance adjustment.


If those steps do not correct the imbalance between LSB and USB, you may 
have some fault on the KSB2 board.  A very small difference may exist, 
but not to the extent that you have indicated.


73,
Don W3FPR

Gary D Krause wrote:

Hi,

I've noticed that my power output on 40 meters LSB is a lot higher 
than expected.  I get four to five bars or more on the peaks in the 
ALC mode.  I even got a high current reading last night and I then 
turned the power back from 12 watts to 10.  I get 4 to five bars even 
at five watts.  It didn't make much difference and I've found that I 
need to hold the mic further away. I switched to USB on 40 meters and 
it looks fine.  It looks good on the higher USB frequencies also.  
I've noticed that it is around 2 to three bars on 80 meters LSB which 
is normal according to the manual.


I'm wondering if it could be a carrier balance adjustment?  Any ideas 
would be greatly appreciated.  Everything else appears normal.  I've 
checked all solder connections on the SSB board several times and 
re-flowed the connections I considered suspect.


Thanks,
Gary, N7HTS



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[Elecraft] K3 and Transverters

2008-09-10 Thread Ian Maude

Hi all,
I have just finished building and aligning a 4m transverter from 
Spectrum Communications which I intend to connect ot the K3 (and indeed 
have had working) as well as my XV144.  The 4m transverter needs 0 volts 
to key the PTT.  Can I use pin 10 off the accessory jack?
Are there any other things I need to know about using an Elecraft 
transverter and a non-Elecraft one in a chain?  I am using the 
transverter interface at 1mW.


Thanks

Ian

--

Ian J Maude, G0VGS
SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster
Member RSGB, GQRP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 bug mode there (sort of)?

2008-09-10 Thread Bill W5WVO
Maybe I'm missing something here, but this all kinda reminds of
that old saw about a duck... You know, If it walks like a duck
and quacks like a duck...

If you want a key that works like a bug, feels like a bug, and
sounds like a bug... Why not just get a bug? There are lots of
them out there, both antique and brand-spankin' new, like the
Vibroplex line still in production today after more than a century
(http://vibroplex.com/original_bug.html).

I used a Vibroplex standard model bug from the time I was 13 years
old and passed my Extra-class 20 WPM sending test at the FCC in
1977 using one, but today I really like my Kent paddle and
Elecraft B-mode iambic keyer. One of the coolest things about my
old bug was just the way it looked, so if I ever wanted to go back
to a bug... I'd just go back to a bug. :-)

Bill W5WVO


- Original Message - 
From: Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 bug mode there (sort of)?


 Sounds like a market for paddles with adjustable tactile
feedback, like some
 of the high end game controllers.

 Give us Hams a chance and we'll replace a $100 bug with a $400
simulator
 that is almost as good, Hi!

 I agree that the bug feel is gone, but I can send okay on
paddles emulating
 a bug. It's very useful to me working portable where I don't
want to carry
 my bug.

 Ron AC7AC

 -Original Message-
 When I've tried this in the past I found that it has a very
different feel
 than a mechanical semi-automatic key paddle (bug).  I found it
basically
 impossible to send good-sounding code.  YMMV

 Al N1AL


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[Elecraft] wrong manual with KAT2!

2008-09-10 Thread Allan Taylor
I recently purchased a KAT2 with speaker and K2 lid and only now have
been able to check
it out. I found, to my surprise, that the manual included with it is
for the KXAT1 rather than the KAT2! If the individual I purchased it
from would like to swap manuals, please let me know!
I have forgotten who he was.



-- 
73 Allan K7GT
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[Elecraft] New KX1

2008-09-10 Thread Jay Sissom
I just read an email asking what happened to all the K2's, K1's and
KX1's.  I just finished building a KX1 with the 30/80 board and the
Antenna tuner.  I use a Palm Paddle/Keyer so I didn't get the external
paddle.  It was very fun to build.  I used toroids from Mychael, the
Toroid Guy.  I was very happy with his work.  He does a much better
job on them than I did when building my K2.

I haven't made any contacts on my KX1 yet because my code speed is
pretty slow but I'm working on it.  The best I have done is someone
sent me a W9?? after I answered their CQ.  :)  It has been fun
building it and playing with it.

Looking forward to working you on the air.

73
Jay
W9IUF
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Re: [Elecraft] wrong manual with KAT2!

2008-09-10 Thread Bob Nielsen


On Sep 10, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Allan Taylor wrote:


I recently purchased a KAT2 with speaker and K2 lid and only now have
been able to check
it out. I found, to my surprise, that the manual included with it is
for the KXAT1 rather than the KAT2! If the individual I purchased it
from would like to swap manuals, please let me know!
I have forgotten who he was.


You can download the KAT2 manual  errata sheet from the Elecraft web  
site.


Bob, N7XY

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Re: [Elecraft] wrong manual with KAT2!

2008-09-10 Thread Jim Wiley

Allan -


You should be able to download the correct manual from the Elecraft web 
site.



- Jim, KL7CC


Allan Taylor wrote:

I recently purchased a KAT2 with speaker and K2 lid and only now have
been able to check
it out. I found, to my surprise, that the manual included with it is
for the KXAT1 rather than the KAT2! If the individual I purchased it
from would like to swap manuals, please let me know!
I have forgotten who he was.



  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - 5 Mhz Band

2008-09-10 Thread Stephen Prior
Andrew

I'm not quite sure what you mean here.  The VFO will tune continuously over
the whole HF range.  Are you saying you can't transmit on those frequencies?
I can't remember whether I had to open up the TX or not before I had qsos on
60m.  Given a sensible reason, Elecraft will supply a little bit of software
to remove the TX band limits.

73 Stephen G4SJP


On 10/09/2008 09:21, Andrew Vine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I find that I cannot access three of the UK 5MHz channels, FA, FB and FC
 being 5,258.5, 5,278.5 and 5,288.5 KHz respectively.  Presumably they fall
 outside the programmed 5MHz Band edges.
 
  
 
 Does anyone know if there is a fix for this ?
 
  
 
 Andrew, m0gjh 
 
  
 
  
 
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 bug mode there (sort of)?

2008-09-10 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire

I don't know about others, but I find a bug a bit heavy and clumsy to carry
around hiking on a mountain trail, not to mention the danger of damaging it.
Even my smallish E.F. Johnson version of the Speed-X is bigger than my
KX1. 

I prefer to carry my bugs in proper boxes and use them on a table top. 

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-

Maybe I'm missing something here, but this all kinda reminds of that old saw
about a duck... You know, If it walks like a duck and quacks like a
duck...

If you want a key that works like a bug, feels like a bug, and sounds like a
bug... Why not just get a bug? There are lots of them out there, both
antique and brand-spankin' new, like the Vibroplex line still in production
today after more than a century (http://vibroplex.com/original_bug.html).

I used a Vibroplex standard model bug from the time I was 13 years old and
passed my Extra-class 20 WPM sending test at the FCC in 1977 using one, but
today I really like my Kent paddle and Elecraft B-mode iambic keyer. One of
the coolest things about my old bug was just the way it looked, so if I ever
wanted to go back to a bug... I'd just go back to a bug. :-)

Bill W5WVO


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RE: [Elecraft] wrong manual with KAT2!

2008-09-10 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
If your interest is to get the right information ASAP, download a copy from
the Elecraft web site. They have all the manuals there. 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:13 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] wrong manual with KAT2!


I recently purchased a KAT2 with speaker and K2 lid and only now have been
able to check it out. I found, to my surprise, that the manual included with
it is for the KXAT1 rather than the KAT2! If the individual I purchased it
from would like to swap manuals, please let me know! I have forgotten who he
was.



-- 
73 Allan K7GT
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[Elecraft] K3 RF Feedback and microHAM MK2R or microKEYER II

2008-09-10 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

There have been persistent reports of RF feedback in the 
microHAM microKEYER II and MK2R/MK2R+ when used with the K3. 
The problem seems to be related to the design of the K3 front 
panel mic jack and a work around has been found for microHAM 
interfaces.  

The easiest solution for the user is to modify the microHAM 
DB37-EL-K3 cable by cutting the wire currently connected to 
pin 8 of the Foster (microphone) plug.  There is no problem 
when the DB37-EL-K3 cable is used with the Elecraft K2 or 
when the DB37-El-K3 is used with a breakout cable (In-line 
Foster jack, RCA and 3.2mm plugs) for the rear panel mic and 
PTT inputs of the K3.  

This same issue can appear with any external interface that 
connects via the microphone jack.  For those interfaces, the 
microphone return (pin 7) must be separate from any shield on 
the microphone cable.  The cable shield and PTT ground must 
be connected to the shell of the Foster mic jack (chassis); 
they can not be connected to the mic ground (pin 7). 

The root of the problem appears to be in the wiring of the 
K3 mic jack.  Pin 7 (mic ground) and pin 8 (PTT ground) are 
connected in parallel, through a common RF choke (L4 on 
the front panel board), then to the circuit common (ground). 
Note in the K2, both PTT (pin 8) and mic (pin 7) returns 
are connected directly to the circuit ground through P1 
and the K2 does not have the RFI problem. 

73, 

   ... Joe Subich, W4TV 
   microHAM America 
   http://www.microHAM-USA.com 
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 

PS. Thanks to N6TV, K5WA, N6XI, AB7R and others for their 
help in identifying the problem and testing various 
solutions in what often seemed to be a losing battle. 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Transverters

2008-09-10 Thread Don Wilhelm

Ian,

You should be able to use the KEYOUT-LP signal line.  It is an open 
drain circuit in the K3, so depending on your transverter design, you 
may or may not have to add a pullup resistor.  The pullup can go to the 
+12 volt line or anything lower in your transverter.  I would suggest 
that a pullup resistor value of 2.2k to 10k ohms should work.  Use a 
higher value with higher voltages.  The current when the KEYOUT-LP line 
is low should be limited to 10 ma. or less.


73,
Don W3FPR

Ian Maude wrote:

Hi all,
I have just finished building and aligning a 4m transverter from 
Spectrum Communications which I intend to connect ot the K3 (and 
indeed have had working) as well as my XV144.  The 4m transverter 
needs 0 volts to key the PTT.  Can I use pin 10 off the accessory jack?
Are there any other things I need to know about using an Elecraft 
transverter and a non-Elecraft one in a chain?  I am using the 
transverter interface at 1mW.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 RF Feedback and microHAM MK2R or microKEYER II

2008-09-10 Thread Don Wilhelm

Joe,

I believe the 'root of the problem' is that your cable ties the shield 
to pin 8 rather than the mic plug shell.  That is poor engineering practice.


Yes, the K3 makes the situation worse by tying pins 7 and 8 together and 
running them to ground through an inductor, but I believe the real 
source of the problem is the connection of the cable shield to a line 
that is also used as a signal return.  Normal practice would connect the 
cable shield to the connector shell.


The K2 does not have the same problem because there is no inductor in 
the path for either pin 7 or pin 8.


This is a classic example of 'the pin 1 problem' that Jim Brown 
continually refers to.


73,
Don W3FPR

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
There have been persistent reports of RF feedback in the 
microHAM microKEYER II and MK2R/MK2R+ when used with the K3. 
The problem seems to be related to the design of the K3 front 
panel mic jack and a work around has been found for microHAM 
interfaces.  

The easiest solution for the user is to modify the microHAM 
DB37-EL-K3 cable by cutting the wire currently connected to 
pin 8 of the Foster (microphone) plug.  There is no problem 
when the DB37-EL-K3 cable is used with the Elecraft K2 or 
when the DB37-El-K3 is used with a breakout cable (In-line 
Foster jack, RCA and 3.2mm plugs) for the rear panel mic and 
PTT inputs of the K3.  

This same issue can appear with any external interface that 
connects via the microphone jack.  For those interfaces, the 
microphone return (pin 7) must be separate from any shield on 
the microphone cable.  The cable shield and PTT ground must 
be connected to the shell of the Foster mic jack (chassis); 
they can not be connected to the mic ground (pin 7). 

The root of the problem appears to be in the wiring of the 
K3 mic jack.  Pin 7 (mic ground) and pin 8 (PTT ground) are 
connected in parallel, through a common RF choke (L4 on 
the front panel board), then to the circuit common (ground). 
Note in the K2, both PTT (pin 8) and mic (pin 7) returns 
are connected directly to the circuit ground through P1 
and the K2 does not have the RFI problem. 

  


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[Elecraft] K3 and the mouse wheel

2008-09-10 Thread K4FJ
I like to use the mouse wheel for tuning CW, but I find the tuning speed  
increments too large for rtty.  Is there a way to tune it in smaller  
increments?
 
If not, please consider a future revision to do so.
 
Thanks,
 
Steve, K4FJ
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[Elecraft] K3 FW 2.38 noise blanker operation

2008-09-10 Thread Gary Nichols
Today I loaded the latest released version being 2.38 and was listening
around the 40 meter band for  weak

CW signals.amazing!!! With the NB off it was impossible to even tell some on
the weak signals were there but turning the NB on revealed signals there and
adding the NR along with very narrow DSP bandwidths made unreadable signals
into very good Q5 copy.  I usually  work 160 CW and mostly DX stations which
are usually down in the noise so I am really looking forward to the upcoming
season armed with a new K3.thanks Aptos for a job well done.

Gary, kd9sv

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 RF Feedback and microHAM MK2R or microKEYER II

2008-09-10 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Don, 

 I believe the 'root of the problem' is that your cable ties 
 the shield to pin 8 rather than the mic plug shell.  That is 
 poor engineering practice.

You are incorrect.  The shield in the microHAM cables is 
connected to the shell of the Foster connector and the shell 
of the DB37 connector following proper engineering practice. 
As in the K3, PTT return is also circuit ground/power supply 
ground but in the microHAM products it is connected directly 
to the chassis which is also proper engineering practice.  

 Yes, the K3 makes the situation worse by tying pins 7 and 8 
 together and running them to ground through an inductor, but 
 I believe the real source of the problem is the connection of 
 the cable shield to a line that is also used as a signal 
 return.  

The K3 causes the situation by tying pins 7 and 8 together and 
lifting the PTT return.  Again, the cable shield is properly 
connected to the shell/chassis at both ends.  Lifting the cable 
shield on the K3 end does not eliminate the problem - the only 
fix for the user is separating the PTT and mic grounds by using 
the shield as the PTT return (isolating pin 8) or using the RP 
jacks (with their independent returns).  

The proper fix would be to connect pins 7 and 8 directly to 
the circuit common (ground) or short L4. 

 Normal practice would connect the cable shield to the connector 
 shell.

Again, the cable shield IS correctly connected to the connector 
shell at both ends.  

 The K2 does not have the same problem because there is no inductor 
 in the path for either pin 7 or pin 8.
 
 This is a classic example of 'the pin 1 problem' that Jim Brown 
 continually refers to.

100% correct, the K3 has a pin 1 problem.  Comparing figures 1 and 
2 of K9YC's Understanding and Solving RF Interference Problems  
will show that impedances in the signal reference line (circuit 
common) and between the signal reference and supply common (PSU 
ground or -DC) are the very definition of pin 1 problems.  The 
problem with the mic input can be fixed as indicated above - 
by connecting pins 7 and 8 to the chassis or replacing L4 with 
a jumper.  

In the meantime, users of microHAM interfaces (and those with 
similarly impacted products) will need to work around the issue 
by connecting the PTT return to the connector shell instead of 
pin 8 or use the rear panel jacks (which, although they also have 
a pin 1 problem, do not exhibit the serious symptoms since none 
of the signal returns - except the ACC connector - share common 
impedances). 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 


 -Original Message-
 From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:14 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RF Feedback and microHAM MK2R or 
 microKEYER II
 
 
 Joe,
 
 I believe the 'root of the problem' is that your cable ties 
 the shield 
 to pin 8 rather than the mic plug shell.  That is poor 
 engineering practice.
 
 Yes, the K3 makes the situation worse by tying pins 7 and 8 
 together and 
 running them to ground through an inductor, but I believe the real 
 source of the problem is the connection of the cable shield to a line 
 that is also used as a signal return.  Normal practice would 
 connect the 
 cable shield to the connector shell.
 
 The K2 does not have the same problem because there is no inductor in 
 the path for either pin 7 or pin 8.
 
 This is a classic example of 'the pin 1 problem' that Jim Brown 
 continually refers to.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
  There have been persistent reports of RF feedback in the
  microHAM microKEYER II and MK2R/MK2R+ when used with the K3. 
  The problem seems to be related to the design of the K3 front 
  panel mic jack and a work around has been found for microHAM 
  interfaces.  
 
  The easiest solution for the user is to modify the microHAM
  DB37-EL-K3 cable by cutting the wire currently connected to 
  pin 8 of the Foster (microphone) plug.  There is no problem 
  when the DB37-EL-K3 cable is used with the Elecraft K2 or 
  when the DB37-El-K3 is used with a breakout cable (In-line 
  Foster jack, RCA and 3.2mm plugs) for the rear panel mic and 
  PTT inputs of the K3.  
 
  This same issue can appear with any external interface that
  connects via the microphone jack.  For those interfaces, the 
  microphone return (pin 7) must be separate from any shield on 
  the microphone cable.  The cable shield and PTT ground must 
  be connected to the shell of the Foster mic jack (chassis); 
  they can not be connected to the mic ground (pin 7). 
 
  The root of the problem appears to be in the wiring of the
  K3 mic jack.  Pin 7 (mic ground) and pin 8 (PTT ground) are 
  connected in parallel, through a common RF choke (L4 on 
  the front panel board), then to the circuit common (ground). 
  Note in the K2, both PTT (pin 8) and mic (pin 7) returns 
  are connected directly to the circuit 

[Elecraft] LP-Pan and EMU 0202 for sale

2008-09-10 Thread Greg - AB7R
Decided to sell my LP-Pan and EMU-0202 setup.  

$240 complete shipped CONUS.

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73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
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Re: [Elecraft] LP-Pan and EMU 0202 for sale

2008-09-10 Thread Greg - AB7R
The LP-Pan/EMU 202 is sold.  Thanks to those who responded so quickly.

Wow that was quick.  Guess I under-priced it.  :)



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73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Wed Sep 10 13:22 , Greg - AB7R  sent:

Decided to sell my LP-Pan and EMU-0202 setup.  

$240 complete shipped CONUS.

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73,
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 RF Feedback and microHAM MK2R or microKEYER II

2008-09-10 Thread Don Wilhelm

Joe,

If indeed your cable has the shield bonded to the shell and not other 
conductors at both ends, I agree that it is well constructed. 
I am sorry - I jumped to conclusions, I have not physically/electrically 
examined any MicroHam cables.
I initially read your post as indicating that your PTT ground and your 
cable shield were common and both connected to pin 8.  Upon re-reading, 
I find that is not what you wrote.


73,
Don W3FPR

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
Don, 

  
I believe the 'root of the problem' is that your cable ties 
the shield to pin 8 rather than the mic plug shell.  That is 
poor engineering practice.



You are incorrect.  The shield in the microHAM cables is 
connected to the shell of the Foster connector and the shell 
of the DB37 connector following proper engineering practice. 
As in the K3, PTT return is also circuit ground/power supply 
ground but in the microHAM products it is connected directly 
to the chassis which is also proper engineering practice.  

  
Yes, the K3 makes the situation worse by tying pins 7 and 8 
together and running them to ground through an inductor, but 
I believe the real source of the problem is the connection of 
the cable shield to a line that is also used as a signal 
return.  



The K3 causes the situation by tying pins 7 and 8 together and 
lifting the PTT return.  Again, the cable shield is properly 
connected to the shell/chassis at both ends.  Lifting the cable 
shield on the K3 end does not eliminate the problem - the only 
fix for the user is separating the PTT and mic grounds by using 
the shield as the PTT return (isolating pin 8) or using the RP 
jacks (with their independent returns).  

The proper fix would be to connect pins 7 and 8 directly to 
the circuit common (ground) or short L4. 

  
Normal practice would connect the cable shield to the connector 
shell.



Again, the cable shield IS correctly connected to the connector 
shell at both ends.  

  
The K2 does not have the same problem because there is no inductor 
in the path for either pin 7 or pin 8.


This is a classic example of 'the pin 1 problem' that Jim Brown 
continually refers to.



100% correct, the K3 has a pin 1 problem.  Comparing figures 1 and 
2 of K9YC's Understanding and Solving RF Interference Problems  
will show that impedances in the signal reference line (circuit 
common) and between the signal reference and supply common (PSU 
ground or -DC) are the very definition of pin 1 problems.  The 
problem with the mic input can be fixed as indicated above - 
by connecting pins 7 and 8 to the chassis or replacing L4 with 
a jumper.  

In the meantime, users of microHAM interfaces (and those with 
similarly impacted products) will need to work around the issue 
by connecting the PTT return to the connector shell instead of 
pin 8 or use the rear panel jacks (which, although they also have 
a pin 1 problem, do not exhibit the serious symptoms since none 
of the signal returns - except the ACC connector - share common 
impedances). 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 



  

-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:14 PM

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RF Feedback and microHAM MK2R or 
microKEYER II



Joe,

I believe the 'root of the problem' is that your cable ties 
the shield 
to pin 8 rather than the mic plug shell.  That is poor 
engineering practice.


Yes, the K3 makes the situation worse by tying pins 7 and 8 
together and 
running them to ground through an inductor, but I believe the real 
source of the problem is the connection of the cable shield to a line 
that is also used as a signal return.  Normal practice would 
connect the 
cable shield to the connector shell.


The K2 does not have the same problem because there is no inductor in 
the path for either pin 7 or pin 8.


This is a classic example of 'the pin 1 problem' that Jim Brown 
continually refers to.


73,
Don W3FPR

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


There have been persistent reports of RF feedback in the
microHAM microKEYER II and MK2R/MK2R+ when used with the K3. 
The problem seems to be related to the design of the K3 front 
panel mic jack and a work around has been found for microHAM 
interfaces.  


The easiest solution for the user is to modify the microHAM
DB37-EL-K3 cable by cutting the wire currently connected to 
pin 8 of the Foster (microphone) plug.  There is no problem 
when the DB37-EL-K3 cable is used with the Elecraft K2 or 
when the DB37-El-K3 is used with a breakout cable (In-line 
Foster jack, RCA and 3.2mm plugs) for the rear panel mic and 
PTT inputs of the K3.  


This same issue can appear with any external interface that
connects via the microphone jack.  For those interfaces, the 
microphone return (pin 7) must be separate from any shield on 
the microphone cable.  The cable shield and PTT ground must 
be connected to the shell of the 

[Elecraft] WTB L-Pan

2008-09-10 Thread Alan Price


Does anyone else want to sell an L-Pan?





73


Alan


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[Elecraft] Antenna Tuner versus Antenna Analizer ?

2008-09-10 Thread Paul Maruna
I bought a buddipole antenna system and I want to get one of the subject units 
but I don't know the difference between them, and what each one does, and which 
one will help me with the setup with my K3 and my antenna system ?

When I bought my K3 I also bought a KAT3 which I believe is an antenna tuner 
for the K3 -- Will this do the same thing to match the antenna to the K3, or am 
I better off getting another unit like a LDG Z-100 or an LDG AT-200 Pro or 
something else like one of the MFJ units ?

Where does the baluns come into this play with either unit ?

I am just a Technician class and am studying for the General class and I have 
not built the K3 that I have yet, and all this antenna stuff is pretty 
confusing.

Can anyone help please ?

Thank you,
Paul
(73)
KD8HWP
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RE: [Elecraft] Antenna Tuner versus Antenna Analizer ?

2008-09-10 Thread Bruce McLaughlin
I am not totally sure about your question but if you are wondering what the
difference is between an antenna analyzer and an antenna tuner, basically
the analyzer is an instrument to determine the characteristic impedance of
the antenna at the antenna terminals or the characteristic impedance of the
antenna system, including the feed line, at the end of the feed line.  It
can also measure a number of other electrical characteristics and is a very
useful instrument but I think it is probably in excess of your needs at this
stage of your hand career.  And antenna tuner on the other hand is a device
which will attempt to transform the impedance presented to it at the end of
the feed line from the antenna so that it matches the expected load
impedance of your radio which is 50 ohms.  The resulting transformation or
match performed by the antenna tuner should result in a 1:1 SWR as seen by
the final of your radio.  When there is a low SWR as seen by the final of
your radio there should be a maximum transfer of RF power from your radio to
the antenna so that it can be radiated as a signal.  However, if there is an
extreme impedance mismatch between the end of the feed line and the 50 ohms
expected by your radio there can be problems as noted below.

I think you will find that the K-3 antenna tuner is a very good one and will
tune a wide range of antennas.  Since you already have it, I suggest you try
it first with your antenna.  If for some reason it does not work you could
always try a different, external tuner.  But if the antenna cannot be tuned
with the built-in K-3 tuner I think you would be well advised to consider a
different antenna.  Just because you may be able to reduce the SWR presented
to the radio by using a tuner does not mean you have an efficient system or
that most of your RF will actually be radiated rather than simply dissipated
in the tuner.

If the terminal match between the antenna and feedline is very unfavorable,
while the tuner may be able to transform the resulting SWR presented to the
radio enough to allow the final to run at full power you may find that much
of the power is being dissipated in the antenna tuner as heat rather than
being radiated by the antenna.  If for example you are running 100 W from
the transmitter but 80 of those watts are being dissipated in the tuner
because of a very unfavorable antenna impedance, there won't be much RF
power left to actually reach and be radiated by the antenna.

So, I would try the K-3 antenna tuner first.  Chances are it will do the
job.  If not you may want to consider a better antenna before you start
looking for external antenna tuners.  Frankly, the only time I would
consider an external tuner is if I were using a balanced feed line and even
then I might choose a 4 to 1 current balin at the output of the radio
instead of a balanced antenna tuner.  Another situation calling for an
external tuner might be if you are using an amplifier following the K-3 and
the impedance presented by the antenna system cannot be handled by tuning
the amplifier.  Good luck with your license upgrade and your new K-3.

Bruce-W8FU

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Maruna
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:47 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna Tuner versus Antenna Analizer ?

I bought a buddipole antenna system and I want to get one of the subject
units but I don't know the difference between them, and what each one does,
and which one will help me with the setup with my K3 and my antenna system ?

When I bought my K3 I also bought a KAT3 which I believe is an antenna tuner
for the K3 -- Will this do the same thing to match the antenna to the K3, or
am I better off getting another unit like a LDG Z-100 or an LDG AT-200 Pro
or something else like one of the MFJ units ?

Where does the baluns come into this play with either unit ?

I am just a Technician class and am studying for the General class and I
have not built the K3 that I have yet, and all this antenna stuff is pretty
confusing.

Can anyone help please ?

Thank you,
Paul
(73)
KD8HWP
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 and the mouse wheel

2008-09-10 Thread Dick Dievendorff
Gary, what personal computer software are you using for this?

Dick, K6KR


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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and the mouse wheel

I like to use the mouse wheel for tuning CW, but I find the tuning speed  
increments too large for rtty.  Is there a way to tune it in smaller
increments?
 
If not, please consider a future revision to do so.
 
Thanks,
 
Steve, K4FJ
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Update Utility

2008-09-10 Thread Dick Dievendorff
The K3 Utility is regularly tested on Windows 98 SE, Windows XP and Windows
Vista.   Give it a try and let me know your experience with that small a
memory!

Dick, K6KR


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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Update Utility

I recently obtained an IBM Thinkpad 600E laptop with Windows 98(Not 
second edition) with a whopping 128k of memory.

Can such a minimal configuration be used with the K3 update software?

What rig control software might also work with this box?

Thanks

Thom k3hrn

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Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Tuner versus Antenna Analizer ?

2008-09-10 Thread O. Johns

Paul,

As an addendum to the excellent summary by Bruce - W8FU, let me add  
that the Buddipole antennas are designed to match a 50 ohm coax feeder  
pretty well.  They are off-center fed to get near to the correct 50  
ohm impedance.  So if you use the K3 antenna tuner and the Buddipole  
you won't have too much loss in the coax line.  However, the Buddipole  
is a short dipole and as such not a particularly efficient radiator.   
You may find that with the 100 watts output of the K3 you will do very  
well with the Buddipole.  But at some later stage of your career you  
may want to have a longer piece of wire.  A non-resonant doublet of  
66ft or more fed at the center with 450 ohm ladder line is a good  
minimum.  BUT, don't get rid of your Buddipole.  It is great for Field  
Day.


Good luck and 73,

Oliver Johns - W6ODJ


On 10 Sep 2008, at 3:46 PM, Paul Maruna wrote:

I bought a buddipole antenna system and I want to get one of the  
subject units but I don't know the difference between them, and what  
each one does, and which one will help me with the setup with my K3  
and my antenna system ?


When I bought my K3 I also bought a KAT3 which I believe is an  
antenna tuner for the K3 -- Will this do the same thing to match the  
antenna to the K3, or am I better off getting another unit like a  
LDG Z-100 or an LDG AT-200 Pro or something else like one of the MFJ  
units ?


Where does the baluns come into this play with either unit ?

I am just a Technician class and am studying for the General class  
and I have not built the K3 that I have yet, and all this antenna  
stuff is pretty confusing.


Can anyone help please ?

Thank you,
Paul
(73)
KD8HWP
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Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Tuner versus Antenna Analizer ?

2008-09-10 Thread Don Wilhelm

Paul,

Since you find antennas confusing at this point, you may want to look at 
the Antenna article on my website http://w3fpr.qrpradio.com.  It tells 
about antenna concepts in layman's language as much as possible, and no 
math.


Second comment is that you may want a wire antenna instead of the 
Buddypole for your home station.  A half wave dipole at the lowest 
frequency of interest fed with ladder line will receive and radiate much 
better than the Buddypole in most situations.   One cannot defeat the 
laws of physics.  An antenna shorter than 1/2 wavelength (1/4 wavelength 
for verticals with a good ground system) will be inefficient by 
comparison - don't be fooled by the advertising hype - a full size G5RV 
antenna is just not as efficient on 80 meters as a 135 foot dipole.


The Buddypole *is* a very nice convenient antenna for portable work and 
likely more efficient than most portable antennas, but for the home 
station, you can likely do better with just wire.


The KAT3 with a 1:1 balun or 4:1 balun will provide all the tuning range 
normally needed to tune a wire antenna with ladder line, you should not 
need a separate tuner - and the KAT3 will remember its settings for each 
band for you - no knob twisting when changing bands.


73,
Don W3FPR

Paul Maruna wrote:

I bought a buddipole antenna system and I want to get one of the subject units 
but I don't know the difference between them, and what each one does, and which 
one will help me with the setup with my K3 and my antenna system ?

When I bought my K3 I also bought a KAT3 which I believe is an antenna tuner 
for the K3 -- Will this do the same thing to match the antenna to the K3, or am 
I better off getting another unit like a LDG Z-100 or an LDG AT-200 Pro or 
something else like one of the MFJ units ?

Where does the baluns come into this play with either unit ?

I am just a Technician class and am studying for the General class and I have 
not built the K3 that I have yet, and all this antenna stuff is pretty 
confusing.

Can anyone help please ?

Thank you,
Paul
(73)
KD8HWP
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[Elecraft] Re: [Elecraft_K3] K3 vs FT1000D

2008-09-10 Thread Greg - N4CC
I've had a FT-1000D since the early 90's...the 
only change I've made is I got rid of an older 
one and got a newer one that was cosmetically 
prettier.  It is still on the desk.  I intend to 
keep both radios...so I'm not prejudiced for one 
radio versus the other because of the one I have sitting on the desk.


I have done A/B tests with both radios...and I 
can honestly tell you that I have worked two very 
weak stations on the K3 that I could not work on 
the 1000D because I could copy them on the K3 and 
not the 1000D.  I could tell the signal was there 
but it was not intelligible -- one on 20 meters 
and one on 40 meters...switching the same 
antennas back and forth between the two 
radios.  Pluses for the 1000D -- Yes, the feel of 
the knob is nicer.  I like the APF for cw work on 
the 1000D.  The sound of the radio in the speaker 
is fuller than the K3 with the RX equalizer set 
flat on the K3.  I can make them sound almost 
identical by adjusting the RX equalizer on the 
K3.  The 1000D is 200 watts.  The 1000D has band 
buttons.  The 1000D has a real analog meter...I 
happen to prefer that.   Pluses for the K3 -- It 
is easier to move around on the desk and get 
plugs in and out of the back;  The selectivity / 
DSP in the K3 is a WOW! compared to the 
shift/width control on the 1000D; the tx test 
mode on the K3 is handy for adjusting things 
without actually transmitting a signal; the cwt 
and auto spot feature is pretty slick; it will be 
nice when they have the DVR available; I like the 
way the RIT and XIT CLR button works.  You get 
new features every time Elecraft responds to a 
new wish list item; the ability to remember 
power levels by band is unique and I find it very 
useful.  I think I get less blocking with the K3 
from loud local than I do on the 1000D -- that's 
perception, not measurement.  The K3 has 6 meters 
on it.  The K3 can be adjusted to low power 
levels much more accurately and lower than the 
1000D.  If I were going to keep one and get rid 
of the other, my vote would be to keep the 
K3...but both radios are very nice.  YMMV.


As far as I'm concerned there is one more factor 
that is overwhelmingly in favor of 
Elecraftthe customer servicenot to 
mention that if I have to send a radio in for 
service the 1000D weighs in right at 70 lbs while 
the K3 would be 10 or less with all the 
packing...The chance of UPS crunching your 1000D 
is far greater than crunching the K3 if F=MA is 
still true...:-)  (OK all you physicists can tell 
me why that is incorrect...I'm too old and too 
crotchety to care any more.)  73 de Greg-N4CC



At 07:47 AM 9/10/2008, Chris Parnell wrote:

H as funny as that may be (and it is... :) 
)... anyone got any decent views on this request please?


Chris
On 10/09/2008, at 10:56 PM, G4MKP wrote:



Thanks mate! I’m also available for ‘Character 
Witness’ appearances in most court case…….




Ok then, the VFO knob on the K3 is crap compared to the 2000.



Cheers,



Terry

G4MKP



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The Elecraft award for the best marketing slogan of 2008 goes to...



Terry!



Simon Brown, HB9DRV
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After switching on the K3 for the first time, 
the next time I switched on the 2000 was to 
demonstrate it to the buyer when I sold it.





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RE: [Elecraft] K3 and the mouse wheel

2008-09-10 Thread Greg - AB7R
This sounds like a setup function in the software being used, not something in 
the K3.


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Wed Sep 10 16:03 , Dick Dievendorff  sent:

Gary, what personal computer software are you using for this?

Dick, K6KR


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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and the mouse wheel

I like to use the mouse wheel for tuning CW, but I find the tuning speed  
increments too large for rtty.  Is there a way to tune it in smaller
increments?
 
If not, please consider a future revision to do so.
 
Thanks,
 
Steve, K4FJ
K3 #0290
 



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Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Tuner versus Antenna Analizer ?

2008-09-10 Thread Dave KQ3T

Hi Paul,

Just to expand slightly on this one aspect of your question.

The term balun is a contraction of balanced-unbalanced. It's a 
device for connecting a balanced feedline to an unbalanced one.


Most transceivers these days are designed to connect to a 50 ohm coaxial 
cable (such as RG-8, RG-58, etc.). Coaxial cable is an unbalanced 
feedline, since one side (the shield) is connected to ground. 
Unfortunately, coaxial cable will usually have a higher loss than a 
balanced feedline (ladder line). The purpose of a balun is to 
efficiently couple the balanced feedline to the unbalanced coax that 
connects to your rig.


Many hams do not use baluns. They will run coax from the rig all the way 
to the feedpoint of the antenna. This is especially true when the 
antenna is resonant (that is, a full half-wave on the band you're 
operating). Many commercial antennas are designed for connection 
directly to 50 ohm coax, without an intervening balun.


73,
Dave KQ3T



Paul Maruna wrote:

...Where does the baluns come into this play with either unit ?

...
Thank you,
Paul
(73)
KD8HWP
  


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 #1140 For Sale on ebay

2008-09-10 Thread wrmoore


I see this went for about $125 MORE than it would have cost if bought from
Elecraft.  Interesting.  I guess that's one assessment of the premium on not
having to wait the 3.5-4 months!
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[Elecraft] K3 new firmware ?

2008-09-10 Thread PAUL VANOVEREN
I see from Wayne that  MCU   2.38 and DSP 1.90 is available..  When I connect 
to the utility I see the following.

   Installed  Available


  MCU   2.02   2.02
  FPF   00.02 00.02
DSP 1  01.88 01.77
DSP 2   N/A  01.77


I click on CHECK  VERSIONS NOW.  SEND ALL FIRMWARE TO K3 Nothing 
changes after pwr off, pwr on.   What am I not doing correctly... 

NF8J   

Paul VanOveren
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[Elecraft] K3 new firmware ?

2008-09-10 Thread ni0c
Paul,

You're apparently forgetting to download the new firmware into the file folder 
that is accessed by the Elecraft K3 Utility. Don't forget to unzip the 
downloaded file.  

73,
Chuck  NI0C
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 #1140 For Sale on ebay

2008-09-10 Thread Mike Short
And if he was willing to ship overseas, would have probably got a few
hundred more.
It escapes me why people won't ship overseas. One customs form, and you are
done. All the work is on the receiving end.
I have sold equipment overseas for 100-300 more than the last US offer. 

Mike
AI4NS 

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I see this went for about $125 MORE than it would have cost if bought from
Elecraft.  Interesting.  I guess that's one assessment of the premium on not
having to wait the 3.5-4 months!
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Update Utility

2008-09-10 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU

Thom,
You might be able to get EMCPup to work on it.  That comes with fldigi 
which will work as well.

http://www.w1hkj.com/emcpup.html
Leigh/WA5ZNU
I recently obtained an IBM Thinkpad 600E laptop with Windows 98(Not 
second edition) with a whopping 128k of memory.


Can such a minimal configuration be used with the K3 update software?

What rig control software might also work with this box?

Thanks

Thom k3hrn



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FW: [Elecraft] K3 #1140 For Sale on ebay

2008-09-10 Thread Mike Short
 Another reason to ship overseas: More DX stations. 
Just trying to do my part to help out the DX chasers...

Mike
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 bug mode there (sort of)?

2008-09-10 Thread Alan Bloom
Although I'm right-handed, I originally learned on a left-handed bug
because that's what my college roommate had.  To this day I can send
with either hand with either a bug or keyer.  A rare ability, if only I
could find a practical use for it!

On my operating desk I have a J-38 straight key, a T. R. McElroy bug,
and a Viroplex single-lever keyer paddle.  Plus I have a homebrew
lightweight paddle  http://www.cds1.net/~n1al/ham/paddle.htm 
connected to the QRP rig.

Elecraft content:  It's nice that the K3 has separate inputs for key and
key paddle so I can instantly switch between them.

Al N1AL


On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 11:09, Bill W5WVO wrote:
 Maybe I'm missing something here, but this all kinda reminds of
 that old saw about a duck... You know, If it walks like a duck
 and quacks like a duck...
 
 If you want a key that works like a bug, feels like a bug, and
 sounds like a bug... Why not just get a bug? There are lots of
 them out there, both antique and brand-spankin' new, like the
 Vibroplex line still in production today after more than a century
 (http://vibroplex.com/original_bug.html).
 
 I used a Vibroplex standard model bug from the time I was 13 years
 old and passed my Extra-class 20 WPM sending test at the FCC in
 1977 using one, but today I really like my Kent paddle and
 Elecraft B-mode iambic keyer. One of the coolest things about my
 old bug was just the way it looked, so if I ever wanted to go back
 to a bug... I'd just go back to a bug. :-)
 
 Bill W5WVO
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:52 AM
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 bug mode there (sort of)?
 
 
  Sounds like a market for paddles with adjustable tactile
 feedback, like some
  of the high end game controllers.
 
  Give us Hams a chance and we'll replace a $100 bug with a $400
 simulator
  that is almost as good, Hi!
 
  I agree that the bug feel is gone, but I can send okay on
 paddles emulating
  a bug. It's very useful to me working portable where I don't
 want to carry
  my bug.
 
  Ron AC7AC
 
  -Original Message-
  When I've tried this in the past I found that it has a very
 different feel
  than a mechanical semi-automatic key paddle (bug).  I found it
 basically
  impossible to send good-sounding code.  YMMV
 
  Al N1AL
 
 
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[Elecraft] K2 / 10 - Freeze Up

2008-09-10 Thread Chuck
Earlier this summer picked up a very nicely built K2
to replace the one I had built and foolishly sold. S/N
is 4715 and the build date is 2/05. Firmware is 2.04P
1.09. Installed accessories are K160RX, KAF2, KAT2,
KI02, KSB2, and KNB2. Additional modifications are the
W3FPR AF Level Output and Cliffton Laboratories Z1
Broadband Buffer Amplifier (used with a SDR-IQ to
provice external pan-adapter). The K2 has been used in
the CW mode only.

In the last several weeks have experienced a freeze-up
almost every time used. Will have completed my side of
QSO and received without any problem the other party. 
Upon their turnover discover that I have no transmit. 


The display will generally be showing power but,
sometimes keyer speed and no amount of control
twisting or button purshing will effect any change. 
Recycling power will yield ELE in the display but,
otherwise the rig is totally non-functional. 

After several hours, can turn K2 back on and all is
apparently normal. 

Any ideas would be much appreciated. Have not yet
reset EEPROM to factory defaults.

72, Chuck AF4PP  

 


  
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[Elecraft] Underside of K3 getting very hot when transmitting

2008-09-10 Thread Jens Køster
My K3 100W ser. 1343 gets VERY hot on the underside where the PA transistors
are connected to the chassis. I´m testing at 100W FM into a dummyload for
about 3-5 minutes.

Is that normal?

Vy 73

Jens
OZ9MZ
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