date:20120521


  Flex is releasing the new 6500 and 6700 radios. Again, mockups and not
  operational at Dayton. Price on 6500 is $3900 and 6700 around $7k

Where did you see $3900 for the Flex 6500?  I was told $5995 for the
single front end radio and $7999 for the dual front end radio.  That
doesn't include a high end computer with multiple displays and a $200
per year software license fee.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 5/21/2012 11:37 AM, Dave wrote:
 They had brochures on the 3000 but no radio on display. Looks like same size
 and form as the Icom 7600.

 Kenwood had a mockup of the new TS-990. Back connections were covered and
 not visible. Front display was showing a photo and was not a working radio.
 According to Kenwood the hardware design is just about finished but firmware
 has a long way to go. They are hoping for FCC cert in August and shipping
 around November. (They didn't say what year!) Price is between $5k and $10k.

 Flex is releasing the new 6500 and 6700 radios. Again, mockups and not
 operational at Dayton. Price on 6500 is $3900 and 6700 around $7k

 Dave
 wo2x


 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Rodgers
 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 11:25 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

 Did anyone see or turn knobs on the proposed FTDX-3000?
 Did Kenwood have the rumored new
 Hf rig?

 Thanks
 Mike R

 Play me some fiddle, but no stinkin' violin!

 Amateur/Ham Radio KE5GBC
 HF  Echolink mobile
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread wb4jfi

Joe, if you go to the Flex on-line store, you will see the 6500 is $3,999, 
which I reported in an earlier email.  Yes, that does NOT include the 
computer or the software fee.  Given the amount of processing done inside 
the 6000 series, except for requiring gig-e, I'm not sure that a honking 
computer is required.

BTW, you really need to research DDCs.  Previous comments about signals 
combining exponentially seems a little off.  I think the military and other 
users (including Quicksilver, HPSDR, HiQSDR, and SDR-IQ users) might be 
slightly surprised by that math.

From a K3 lover, and not necessarily a Flex lover, but in the interest of 
balance.
73
Terry, WB4JFI


-Original Message- 
From: Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 1:03 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?


 Flex is releasing the new 6500 and 6700 radios. Again, mockups and not
 operational at Dayton. Price on 6500 is $3900 and 6700 around $7k

Where did you see $3900 for the Flex 6500?  I was told $5995 for the
single front end radio and $7999 for the dual front end radio.  That
doesn't include a high end computer with multiple displays and a $200
per year software license fee.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 5/21/2012 11:37 AM, Dave wrote:
 They had brochures on the 3000 but no radio on display. Looks like same 
 size
 and form as the Icom 7600.

 Kenwood had a mockup of the new TS-990. Back connections were covered and
 not visible. Front display was showing a photo and was not a working 
 radio.
 According to Kenwood the hardware design is just about finished but 
 firmware
 has a long way to go. They are hoping for FCC cert in August and shipping
 around November. (They didn't say what year!) Price is between $5k and 
 $10k.

 Flex is releasing the new 6500 and 6700 radios. Again, mockups and not
 operational at Dayton. Price on 6500 is $3900 and 6700 around $7k

 Dave
 wo2x


 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Rodgers
 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 11:25 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

 Did anyone see or turn knobs on the proposed FTDX-3000?
 Did Kenwood have the rumored new
 Hf rig?

 Thanks
 Mike R

 Play me some fiddle, but no stinkin' violin!

 Amateur/Ham Radio KE5GBC
 HF  Echolink mobile
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Keyboard

2012-05-21 Thread Rick Prather

Wow,

And I was visualizing the keyboard for use with just the current modes 
supported by the K3.

I would like to be able to read RTTY and PSK on the outboard VGA display as an 
extension of the scrolling on the K3 main display and the keyboard for sending 
instead of the paddles.

Anything else will require an interface with the shack computer and If I am 
going to do that there is a host of software available to handle those modes.

Rick
K6LE



On 5/21/2012, at 10:00 , Bob wb4...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Paul,
 
 Nice to hear you are onto the P3 USB Interface.  I've never been 100% clear
 on the proposed future capabilities, so I've been dreaming (which is good
 but scary).
 
 I'd love to see PSK31  63 support, RTTY, plus Olivia, as well as CW.  JT65
 would be cool, but may not be possible in a commercial product (and Joe
 Taylor has taken ill recently -- however he was working with the HDR people
 towards integrating with them, so maybe commercial is possible).
 
 In terms of blue sky, it would be nice to have keyboard support for
 multiple memories as well as an incrementing serial number register.
 
 In terms of the minimum PSK31, RTTY 45.45, and CW xmit and receive.
 
 And I would hope that this could function with the P3 screen by itself
 (without requiring adding an additional monitor)
 
 73, Bob, WB4SON
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[Elecraft] OT - Morse Code Re-invented For The Smartphone

2012-05-21 Thread Mike Morrow

Fellow Morse fans,

I missed this short video announcement from gmail:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KhZKNZO8mQ

This came out in **very early April**. :-)

73,
Mike / KK5F
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?



 Given the amount of processing done inside the 6000 series, except
 for requiring gig-e, I'm not sure that a honking computer is
 required.

For maximum use, one will probably need a multiple display system -
or multiple computers for radio plus logger.  Not something one
can do with a $699 Mac Mini.

 BTW, you really need to research DDCs. Previous comments about
 signals combining exponentially seems a little off. I think the
 military and other users (including Quicksilver, HPSDR, HiQSDR, and
 SDR-IQ users) might be slightly surprised by that math.

Do the math with multiple S9+20 (-53 dBm) to S9+40 (-33 dBm) signals
in a 300 KHz RX passband (or even with *no* front end filter as Flex
mentions in their brochure).   The effect is two or three volts peak!
It's not simply an extra 3 dB for each additional signal.

With *measured* broadcast signals in Europe adjacent to and within
40 meters of 0 to +10 dBm on a simple dipole, that's going to be a
problem even with the (optional) bandpass filters for each amateur
band.

Yes, in reasonably quiet locations - without strong local signals -
the Flex BDR will be fine.  However, if one lives close to an AM
antenna farm or in a high concentration of active amateurs, the
out of band issue can be severe on 160/80/40.  The bandpass filters
will be necessary, out of band receive will be an issue and contests
with their high level of big signals may be a problem for everyone
with a DDC based receiver. due to ADC overload.

  Joe, if you go to the Flex on-line store, you will see the 6500 is
  $3,999, which I reported in an earlier email.

I did not see that ... and I looked for it.  I was told $6K and $7K
by a Flex employee (wearing a Flex shirt) at the booth in Dayton.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 5/21/2012 1:30 PM, wb4...@knology.net wrote:
 Joe, if you go to the Flex on-line store, you will see the 6500 is
 $3,999, which I reported in an earlier email. Yes, that does NOT include
 the computer or the software fee. Given the amount of processing done
 inside the 6000 series, except for requiring gig-e, I'm not sure that a
 honking computer is required.

 BTW, you really need to research DDCs. Previous comments about signals
 combining exponentially seems a little off. I think the military and
 other users (including Quicksilver, HPSDR, HiQSDR, and SDR-IQ users)
 might be slightly surprised by that math.

 From a K3 lover, and not necessarily a Flex lover, but in the interest of
 balance.
 73
 Terry, WB4JFI


 -Original Message- From: Joe Subich, W4TV
 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 1:03 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?


 Flex is releasing the new 6500 and 6700 radios. Again, mockups and not
 operational at Dayton. Price on 6500 is $3900 and 6700 around $7k

 Where did you see $3900 for the Flex 6500? I was told $5995 for the
 single front end radio and $7999 for the dual front end radio. That
 doesn't include a high end computer with multiple displays and a $200
 per year software license fee.

 73,

 ... Joe, W4TV


 On 5/21/2012 11:37 AM, Dave wrote:
 They had brochures on the 3000 but no radio on display. Looks like
 same size
 and form as the Icom 7600.

 Kenwood had a mockup of the new TS-990. Back connections were covered and
 not visible. Front display was showing a photo and was not a working
 radio.
 According to Kenwood the hardware design is just about finished but
 firmware
 has a long way to go. They are hoping for FCC cert in August and shipping
 around November. (They didn't say what year!) Price is between $5k and
 $10k.

 Flex is releasing the new 6500 and 6700 radios. Again, mockups and not
 operational at Dayton. Price on 6500 is $3900 and 6700 around $7k

 Dave
 wo2x


 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Rodgers
 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 11:25 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

 Did anyone see or turn knobs on the proposed FTDX-3000?
 Did Kenwood have the rumored new
 Hf rig?

 Thanks
 Mike R

 Play me some fiddle, but no stinkin' violin!

 Amateur/Ham Radio KE5GBC
 HF Echolink mobile
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[Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Edward Dickinson III

It seems like there are some low-end/mobile rigs that could stand to be
updated a little.but no joy there.

 

 

73,

Dick - KA5KKT

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Re: [Elecraft] [KX] Subject

2012-05-21 Thread AB8XA

Also, please note there are no dashes, spaces, slashes, etc in an Elecraft 
model number. They make it difficult to make email sorting rules.

Thanks,
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Elecraft KX1 #2484, Fists #13020, SKCC #7460, 
FPQRP #2617,  NAQCC #5352, QRP-ARCI #14326




On May 20, 2012, at 10:37 PM, Jay wrote:
 4b. *** [NEW] When emailing about a specific rig or option, please add the
 rig/option name(s) to the first part of your email subject line. 
 (K1, K2, K3, KX1 etc.) This will be a huge help for those experiencing email
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 Examples: Subject: [K3] Filter Options
Subject: [KX1] How to use ped portable?
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Bill

Software annual fee???  Does this mean the radio will cease to operate 
unless you continue to update the software?

Sure hope this idea will not spread!

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Keyboard

2012-05-21 Thread Bob

Rick, why would expanding to PSK63 require access to a PC?  I would assume
there is more than enough signal processing within the P3 and K3 to deal
with that -- but maybe that wasn't the original intent (to do more work in
the P3).  Clearly if an external PC is required that would defeat the
purpose (so that might rule out Olivia, or JT65).  And using just the P3
display as the decode area, in addition to the external display would be
ideal (don't need a bigger display if you don't want one).

PSK63 is starting to be used by more DX stations (sadly in my opinion).

73, Bob, WB4SON
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Tony Estep

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:30 PM, wb4...@knology.net wrote:

 ... I'm not sure that a honking computer is required...

===
Naw, the client that displays the pan and controls the radio appears to be
not too different from, say, Ham Radio Deluxe. Of course you can run lots
of pans at once and increase the computing needed, but the radio part is
all on the ARM chip inside.

This is an interesting gambit on Flex's part. They absolutely have to get
out from under PSDR, which has been a huge resource drain with no
offsetting revenues. And they were facing obsolescence problems: a new
version of Firewire, USB 3.0, new Windows OS, etc were making them run hard
to stay in the same place with the old designs. OTOH, leaving the old
designs and their installed user base in the dust kinda makes the claim
that the radio can never go out of style sound a bit hollow -- their old
designs are now orphans and that situation will only get worse. An HQ-110
still performs as it did 50 years ago, but a radio that depended on an
Atari 400 or an Apple 1 would just be junk. That could be the eventual fate
of the existing Flex radios, and this new design makes that point in a
trenchant way. It's a very promising design, a huge upgrade, and a huge
amount of addition by subtraction; but it illustrates the difficulties and
dangers of SDR as a business plan.

Tony KT0NY

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Keyboard

2012-05-21 Thread Rick Prather

I enjoy PSK63 but rarely run across it.  However, I suspect that re-doing the 
K3 firmware to include PSK63 is not in Paul's intended area.

I just hope he can get the existing K3 modes working for now, we can hope for 
adding other modes to the K3 later.

Rick
K6LE



On 5/21/2012, at 11:24 , Bob wb4...@gmail.com wrote:

 Rick, why would expanding to PSK63 require access to a PC?  I would assume 
 there is more than enough signal processing within the P3 and K3 to deal with 
 that -- but maybe that wasn't the original intent (to do more work in the 
 P3).  Clearly if an external PC is required that would defeat the purpose (so 
 that might rule out Olivia, or JT65).  And using just the P3 display as the 
 decode area, in addition to the external display would be ideal (don't need a 
 bigger display if you don't want one).
 
 PSK63 is starting to be used by more DX stations (sadly in my opinion).
 
 73, Bob, WB4SON
 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Keyboard

2012-05-21 Thread Paul Saffren N6HZ

The P3/SVGA keyboard is designed to work with the data modes currently
available on the K3. 

73, 

Paul


WB4SON wrote
 
 Hey Paul,
 
 Nice to hear you are onto the P3 USB Interface.  I've never been 100%
 clear
 on the proposed future capabilities, so I've been dreaming (which is
 good
 but scary).
 
 I'd love to see PSK31  63 support, RTTY, plus Olivia, as well as CW. 
 JT65
 would be cool, but may not be possible in a commercial product (and Joe
 Taylor has taken ill recently -- however he was working with the HDR
 people
 towards integrating with them, so maybe commercial is possible).
 
 In terms of blue sky, it would be nice to have keyboard support for
 multiple memories as well as an incrementing serial number register.
 
 In terms of the minimum PSK31, RTTY 45.45, and CW xmit and receive.
 
 And I would hope that this could function with the P3 screen by itself
 (without requiring adding an additional monitor)
 
 73, Bob, WB4SON
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Re: [Elecraft] RCS-12 or Station Master for K3?

2012-05-21 Thread Ignacy

Is there any way for KRC2 to switch more than 1 antenna per band?
Ignacy


On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Robby.VY2SS [via Elecraft] 
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 I have been using the Elecraft KRC2 for remote switching for several
 years.

 It drives a MicroHAM 10 port switch. The switch is well made in a heavy
 casting and can be used in the shack or on your tower. I have never had the
 slightest problem with it.

 I built the KRC2 as a kit (easy) and the only problem came after a minor
 lightning event which prevented me from communicating with the KRC2
 proccessor to upgrade the S/W. Elecraft responded immediately with a new
 chip with the latest software already installed. The cable interface with
 the switch box allows one or more bands to use a single antenna.

 I am an avid contester and it is great to have one less thing to remember
 on a band change.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Keyboard

Paul,

More specific please - is that limited to PSK-D and FSK-D modes?
I am making the assumption that the keyboard will not run DATA A or AFSK 
sub-modes.

73,
Don W3FPR

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 The P3/SVGA keyboard is designed to work with the data modes currently
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 73,

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread wb4jfi

First of all, I do not use every bell and whistle on my K3, and I don't have 
every option available on my K3, even though it's nicely loaded to me.  For 
example, I do not have the second receiver.  So, I do not use my existing 
rig to it's maximum use.  Therefore, to extrapolate that I would need to 
take advantage of every morsel in the 6700 or 6500 is apples to oranges.

Your second assumption brings up a valid point, but not the intended one. 
Yes, a Mac Mini probably won't work well.  But, not due to a lack of 
horsepower.  Flex's initial software is for Windows.  Yes, I know all about 
using Parallels and the other software thing that lets you run Windows 
programs on Mac.  I have a Macbook here as well as Windows and Linux.  Macs 
are notoriously expensive for what you get.  I bet a $700-$900 (excluding 
monitor, since you priced just the Mini) Intel i5 or i7 and Windows box 
would work very nice with a Flex 6000 series.  Feel free to yell at Flex for 
not providing Mac support.

Joe, your math below assumes that every signal is at the same frequency and 
the same phase in order to just add the levels, otherwise things don't just 
add up like that.  For example, even if two signals (both +50dBm) are on the 
exact same frequency, but exactly opposite phases, they WILL CANCEL each 
other out, you will end up with NO dBm.  Nada.  Not the addition of both 
signals, as you seem to imply.  Think vector sums of AC voltages, not DC 
summing as a battery.  Granted, there may be instantaneous flashes where 
signals within the passband combine, but it's not constant like DC voltages, 
as your math implies.  Than goodness we aren't all on the same frequency and 
the same phase.

Back to the main point, the new Flex radios DO come with traditional 
filtering, if you need it.  In Europe or near an AM broadcast station, it 
may be necessary.  However, I am sure that the receiver will have 
significantly better dynamic range than the 96dB implied by a 16-bit RF A/D 
converter.  THAT's the point.  16-bits only gets you 96dB minimum to maximum 
without distortion.  If there's any more dBs found, even in the harshest 
test, there is processing gain.  And most of the DSP and SDR world seems to 
believe in processing gain due to decimation.

Once again, go do research on Digital DownConversion, decimation, SDR, 
processing gain.

And, once again, go to the Flex web site on-line store.  Don't believe me. 
In black and white (not a tee shirt), it says the 6500 is $3,999 as a 
pre-order, with a $1,200 deposit required to pre-order.  Click the button 
yourself.  You might like the rig.

I agree that $200 per year for software support is a bit steep.  BTW, I 
don't think the rig stops working if you don't pay, you just aren't entitled 
to updates.  Oh, wait.  My Macbook requires me pay for EVERY OS upgrade, 
even in-between ones.  I had to buy Snow Leopard just to have the right to 
upgrade from Leopard to Lion.  And that's on a dumb Macbook, which costs a 
lot less that a Flex 6500.  Maybe I should shut up now.

Reflector, I am done with this.  Long live my K3!  I have, and will continue 
to defend my K3 on the Flex reflector just as vigorously.  Sorry for the 
off-topic bandwidth.
73,
Terry, WB4JFI

-Original Message- 
From: Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 1:57 PM
To: wb4...@knology.net ; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?



 Given the amount of processing done inside the 6000 series, except
 for requiring gig-e, I'm not sure that a honking computer is
 required.

For maximum use, one will probably need a multiple display system -
or multiple computers for radio plus logger.  Not something one
can do with a $699 Mac Mini.

 BTW, you really need to research DDCs. Previous comments about
 signals combining exponentially seems a little off. I think the
 military and other users (including Quicksilver, HPSDR, HiQSDR, and
 SDR-IQ users) might be slightly surprised by that math.

Do the math with multiple S9+20 (-53 dBm) to S9+40 (-33 dBm) signals
in a 300 KHz RX passband (or even with *no* front end filter as Flex
mentions in their brochure).   The effect is two or three volts peak!
It's not simply an extra 3 dB for each additional signal.

With *measured* broadcast signals in Europe adjacent to and within
40 meters of 0 to +10 dBm on a simple dipole, that's going to be a
problem even with the (optional) bandpass filters for each amateur
band.

Yes, in reasonably quiet locations - without strong local signals -
the Flex BDR will be fine.  However, if one lives close to an AM
antenna farm or in a high concentration of active amateurs, the
out of band issue can be severe on 160/80/40.  The bandpass filters
will be necessary, out of band receive will be an issue and contests
with their high level of big signals may be a problem for everyone
with a DDC based receiver. due to ADC overload.

 Joe, if you go to the Flex on-line store, you will see the 6500 is
 $3,999, which I

Re: [Elecraft] RCS-12 or Station Master for K3?

Yes,
You can use the high side switching for one set of relays and the low 
side for another set.  That gives you two.  If you need more than 2, you 
will have to be more creative and add a few components external to the 
KRC2 - a little it of logic done with diodes and relay coils.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/21/2012 2:54 PM, Ignacy wrote:
 Is there any way for KRC2 to switch more than 1 antenna per band?
 Ignacy


 On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Robby.VY2SS [via Elecraft]
 ml-node+s365791n7556199...@n2.nabble.com  wrote:

 I have been using the Elecraft KRC2 for remote switching for several
 years.

 It drives a MicroHAM 10 port switch. The switch is well made in a heavy
 casting and can be used in the shack or on your tower. I have never had the
 slightest problem with it.

 I built the KRC2 as a kit (easy) and the only problem came after a minor
 lightning event which prevented me from communicating with the KRC2
 proccessor to upgrade the S/W. Elecraft responded immediately with a new
 chip with the latest software already installed. The cable interface with
 the switch box allows one or more bands to use a single antenna.

 I am an avid contester and it is great to have one less thing to remember
 on a band change.

 73,

 -Robby
 VY2SS





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Re: [Elecraft] RCS-12 or Station Master for K3?

2012-05-21 Thread Mark n2qt

I've been real happy with the MH Station Master.  It's go enough outputs to
control bandpass filters for SO2R as well as doing the normal antenna 
selection
duties.  You can select more than one output for a given selection so you 
can
do binary encoding to your relays and save on wires if you need to.  It also 
allows
you do reconfigure on the fly rather than making up new diode matrixes like 
I used
to do.   A bit of a learning curve, but then again what doesn't have one 
anymore?

I control a dunestar 600 and a combination of dowkey transfer relays and a 
couple
of ameritron RCS8s with mine.


Mark n2qt

-Original Message- 
From: Robby.VY2SS
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 7:39 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RCS-12 or Station Master for K3?

I have been using the Elecraft KRC2 for remote switching for several years.

It drives a MicroHAM 10 port switch. The switch is well made in a heavy
casting and can be used in the shack or on your tower. I have never had the
slightest problem with it.

I built the KRC2 as a kit (easy) and the only problem came after a minor
lightning event which prevented me from communicating with the KRC2
proccessor to upgrade the S/W. Elecraft responded immediately with a new
chip with the latest software already installed. The cable interface with
the switch box allows one or more bands to use a single antenna.

I am an avid contester and it is great to have one less thing to remember on
a band change.

73,

-Robby
VY2SS





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Re: [Elecraft] RCS-12 or Station Master for K3?

2012-05-21 Thread N2TK, Tony

What would be real nice is if you could switch between two different
antennas per band with the KRC2 using the ANT switch on the K3.
73,
N2TK, Tony

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ignacy
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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Is there any way for KRC2 to switch more than 1 antenna per band?
Ignacy

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Robby.VY2SS [via Elecraft] 
ml-node+s365791n7556199...@n2.nabble.com wrote:

 I have been using the Elecraft KRC2 for remote switching for several 
 years.

 It drives a MicroHAM 10 port switch. The switch is well made in a 
 heavy casting and can be used in the shack or on your tower. I have 
 never had the slightest problem with it.

 I built the KRC2 as a kit (easy) and the only problem came after a 
 minor lightning event which prevented me from communicating with the 
 KRC2 proccessor to upgrade the S/W. Elecraft responded immediately 
 with a new chip with the latest software already installed. The cable 
 interface with the switch box allows one or more bands to use a single
antenna.

 I am an avid contester and it is great to have one less thing to 
 remember on a band change.

 73,

 -Robby
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Keyboard

2012-05-21 Thread Paul Saffren

Hi Don,

There is no additional signal processing being done on the P3/SVGA to 
support other digital modes.  The P3/SVGA USB Keyboard is just that, a 
keyboard input device that can be used to send data to the K3.  Data 
decoded from the K3 is fed back to the SVGA for display.Think of a 
similar user experience with a computer running the K3 Utility,  under 
the Terminal tab, only no computer.   The P3 will also get data display, 
with or without an attached keyboard.

73,

Paul



On 5/21/2012 12:06 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Paul,

 More specific please - is that limited to PSK-D and FSK-D modes?
 I am making the assumption that the keyboard will not run DATA A or 
 AFSK sub-modes.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 5/21/2012 2:48 PM, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote:
 The P3/SVGA keyboard is designed to work with the data modes currently
 available on the K3.

 73,

 Paul




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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Peter Wollan

The prices I find on the Flex web site are $5999 and $6999.

   Peter W0LLN


On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:07 PM,  wb4...@knology.net wrote:

 And, once again, go to the Flex web site on-line store.  Don't believe me.
 In black and white (not a tee shirt), it says the 6500 is $3,999 as a
 pre-order, with a $1,200 deposit required to pre-order.
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Keyboard

2012-05-21 Thread Tom Azlin N4ZPT

Hi Paul,

I do a lot of digital modes. having a keyboard PSK31 and RTTY interface 
would be a nice complement to the K3 CW paddle interface. Being able to 
read on the P3 display ( either or both SVGA and P3) also would be the 
match for me.

Mostly I run much more robust modes as part of NBEMS. Olivia and MT63 
mostly. But for those OK to use outboard computer.

73, tom n4zpt



On 5/21/2012 12:23 PM, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote:
 Hi David,

 I'm currently working on the USB keyboard option for the P3.  I can't give
 an exact release date, but I'm guessing in the next month or two.   Do you
 currently run much data and if so, what mode?

 73,

 Paul


 David Fine wrote

 Don't want to be pushy, but now that we have the KAT 500 on the burner so
 to
 speak, I wonder when will we be seeing something about the keyboard and
 additional software applications for the P3/SVGA?  W0DF
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Keyboard

2012-05-21 Thread Tom Azlin N4ZPT

Works for me Paul. 73, tom n4zpt

On 5/21/2012 2:48 PM, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote:
 The P3/SVGA keyboard is designed to work with the data modes currently
 available on the K3.

 73,

 Paul


 WB4SON wrote

 Hey Paul,

 Nice to hear you are onto the P3 USB Interface.  I've never been 100%
 clear
 on the proposed future capabilities, so I've been dreaming (which is
 good
 but scary).

 I'd love to see PSK31  63 support, RTTY, plus Olivia, as well as CW.
 JT65
 would be cool, but may not be possible in a commercial product (and Joe
 Taylor has taken ill recently -- however he was working with the HDR
 people
 towards integrating with them, so maybe commercial is possible).

 In terms of blue sky, it would be nice to have keyboard support for
 multiple memories as well as an incrementing serial number register.

 In terms of the minimum PSK31, RTTY 45.45, and CW xmit and receive.

 And I would hope that this could function with the P3 screen by itself
 (without requiring adding an additional monitor)

 73, Bob, WB4SON
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread wb4jfi

Copied directly From the Flex web site (using copy/paste not retyped):

FLEX-6500 Limited Edition Pre-Order Deposit Only - Total Introductory Price: 
$3999
Your Price: $1,200.00

The 6700 receive-only is the $5,999, and the Flex 6700 Rx/Tx is $6,000.  The 
6500 (single SCU) is $3,999.  Look at the page bottom, last item.

Or, am I looking at a different Flex Radio Systems on-line store Signature 
Series page than everyone else?
Terry, WB4JFI

-Original Message- 
From: Peter Wollan
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 3:31 PM
To: wb4...@knology.net
Cc: Joe Subich, W4TV ; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

The prices I find on the Flex web site are $5999 and $6999.

   Peter W0LLN


On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:07 PM,  wb4...@knology.net wrote:

 And, once again, go to the Flex web site on-line store.  Don't believe me.
 In black and white (not a tee shirt), it says the 6500 is $3,999 as a
 pre-order, with a $1,200 deposit required to pre-order. 

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Peter Wollan

Yup, $6999 and $3999.  I hadn't scrolled down far enough.  Sorry for
the confusion.

 Peter W0LLN


On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:41 PM,  wb4...@knology.net wrote:
 Copied directly From the Flex web site (using copy/paste not retyped):

 FLEX-6500 Limited Edition Pre-Order Deposit Only - Total Introductory Price:
 $3999
 Your Price: $1,200.00

 The 6700 receive-only is the $5,999, and the Flex 6700 Rx/Tx is $6,000.  The
 6500 (single SCU) is $3,999.  Look at the page bottom, last item.

 Or, am I looking at a different Flex Radio Systems on-line store Signature
 Series page than everyone else?
 Terry, WB4JFI

 -Original Message- From: Peter Wollan
 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 3:31 PM
 To: wb4...@knology.net
 Cc: Joe Subich, W4TV ; Elecraft Reflector

 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

 The prices I find on the Flex web site are $5999 and $6999.

  Peter W0LLN


 On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:07 PM,  wb4...@knology.net wrote:


 And, once again, go to the Flex web site on-line store.  Don't believe me.
 In black and white (not a tee shirt), it says the 6500 is $3,999 as a
 pre-order, with a $1,200 deposit required to pre-order.


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 ram mount

2012-05-21 Thread Greg

I already uploaded various pictures of that mount  yahoo site.

Greg
On May 21, 2012 9:10 AM, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:

 We're looking at various mobile-mounting solutions. Matt (W6NIA) and Greg
 (AB7R) are both using off-the-shelf mounts. Perhaps they'll put the photos
 somewhere accessible and send links to the reflector.

 Wayne



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Re: [Elecraft] RCS-12 or Station Master for K3?

2012-05-21 Thread Jack Brindle

Yes! The KRC2 can be configured to enable any output terminal for any
input band. In the severe case, you could turn all of them on for a
band. My own KRC2 is set to drive a single band for 20, 15 and 10
meters to support my tribander, while a second output is enabled for
80 and 40 meters to use a trap dipole.

The best way to do this is with the KRC2 Configuration Tool, which
allows you to change the band mapping just about any way you would
like. Unfortunately the version of the tool currently on the Elecraft
Web site does not work with the 1.5 or 1.6 KRC2 firmware, but we will
be releasing a new version very soon that does support these versions.

If you need more information or help with this, just send me an email...

Jack Brindle, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

On May 21, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Ignacy wrote:

Is there any way for KRC2 to switch more than 1 antenna per band?
Ignacy

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Robby.VY2SS [via Elecraft]
ml-node+s365791n7556199...@n2.nabble.com wrote:

I have been using the Elecraft KRC2 for remote switching for several
years.

It drives a MicroHAM 10 port switch. The switch is well made in a
heavy
casting and can be used in the shack or on your tower. I have never
had the
slightest problem with it.

I built the KRC2 as a kit (easy) and the only problem came after a
minor
lightning event which prevented me from communicating with the KRC2
proccessor to upgrade the S/W. Elecraft responded immediately with
a new
chip with the latest software already installed. The cable
interface with
the switch box allows one or more bands to use a single antenna.

I am an avid contester and it is great to have one less thing to
remember
on a band change.

73,

-Robby
VY2SS

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[Elecraft] P3 Keyboard

2012-05-21 Thread John Ragle

Paul...

 I see that this discussion has run through several cycles on the 
reflector since my original response. Thanks for the suggestion that we 
get together on the phone, but I think it is better if I give you my 
*/overall reaction/* to the idea of a keyboard accessory for the P3, 
rather than run through a bunch of possibilities.

 I have been licensed since 1946. In that time, equipment has surely 
run a considerable gamut! Most recently, and in that order, I have 
owned/used a K2/100, a Flex 3000, and my current K3/100+P3. 
Additionally, I have been in computing since the late 1950's, and into 
micros since about 1978/1979, using Apple, Tandy, Digital, and Microsoft 
devices.

 My firmest contention is that a good general-purpose computer  is a 
very significant portion of the modern amateur radio installation. I 
view my K3/P3 as accessories to my computers, not contrariwise. I think 
that a clear majority of licensees hold the same opinion, though there 
are evidently very significant numbers of ops who still separate the two 
types of equipment in their minds.

 The one place where I see importance in the radio part of my 
equipment is in the P3's ability to scan large bandwidths...compared to 
e.g. Spectravue or other material that can only field a Nyquist 
frequency of several kHz.

 In my digital operation, I make no use at all of the built-in 
capabilities of the K3...I use a program running on the PC feeding a 
SignaLink box which feeds the line-in of the K3. Decoding for all 
digital modes is done by the program on the PC. In my case, I use FLDIGI 
and its impressive list of supported digital modes, together with FLRIG 
to provide CAT control of the K3. About the only functions on the K3 
front panel that I use are XFIL and the SHIFT LO-CUT-HI WIDTH controls, 
along with the SPEED setting (I do use the keyer in the K3). Many of the 
day-to-day controls are available through FLRIG. Of course, both FLDIGI 
and FLRIG are freeware and are actively maintained for several 
platforms, e.g. WIN, LINUX, etc. I use either WIN7 or LINUX, depending 
on which OS I've booted to (usually WIN7 because of the paucity of apps 
for LINUX).

 In accordance with this long list of my own personal prejudices, I 
see items like a keyboard for the P3 as retrograde. I could scarcely 
find room on my desk for yet another keyboard. Brag tapes and keyboard 
macros are already fully (and even excessively) implemented in FLDIGI, 
and with the screen capture machinery on my PC, I pay little attention 
to the P3 front panel itself. I have mentioned to Dave (W1HKJ) that it 
might be nice to have a few P3 commands available in FLRIG, and he 
concurs, though I suspect this matter is not high on his priority list. 
I have never used the terminal capabilities of either the K3 or P3 
utilities.

 Good luck with your endeavors.

John Ragle -- W1ZI

=

On 5/21/2012 2:20 PM, Paul Saffren wrote:
 snipThe initial release of USB keyboard for the SVGA/P3 will have a 
 similar interface as the terminal in the K3 utility.   I've already 
 promised to implement K3 keyboard macros and brag files.  Probably 
 something like F1-F12 will be brag files, Shift-F1-F12 will be K3 
 macros.  The macros and brag files will be edited on the P3/SVGA with 
 the keyboard and initially without any computer needed.   I'll bet you 
 have a lot of ideas, can you just give me a call, it would be easier 
 than writing it all down in emails etc.   My phone number is 
 831-763-4211 ext 122 .  Or I can call you if that would be easier, 
 just give me your number./snip

 73,

 Paul


 On 5/21/2012 10:31 AM, John Ragle wrote:
 snip ...read your query to David Fine Do you currently run much 
 data and if so, what mode? Here's my position:

 1. I run BPSKxx where xx is usually 31 but often 63 or higher if 
 there is a client. I also run almost all the other modes that 
 FLDIGI will handle, usually secondarily RTTY, olivia, etc. etc.

 2. I run the P3 screen windowed on my main computer, using 
 AVerMedia hard/software, where it can occupy as much or as little of 
 my 24 monitor as desired.

 3. When I run CW it is all manual/aural. (When I run SSB (mostly on 
 VHF/UHF) it is again with a mic/speaker in the normal way.)

 4. If I were to use a keyboard with the K3/P3 combo, it would still 
 be with a computer in the loop. The screen on the P3 is just too 
 small to be of much use for alphanumeric stuff, and using the K3 
 screen for this purpose is a poor joke. Moreover, my P3 is located 
 several feet away from the operating position, which is in front of 
 the computer, not in front of the RF hardware. Still, however, if the 
 P3 were to become solo standing, the keyboard  its decoding software 
 might be of some considerable interest, as it would make the shack 
 stuff more independent of the real world (my computers are in 
 constant use for other things).

 5. I've never seen any sort of projected specs for a USB keyboard

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

*Bill,

You think that's a bad idea?

In VK look what happens!

ACMA Amateur ANNUAL licence fee:  $65.00
Flex annual lic fee:  $200.00

Hmmm...To be a licenced Ham in VK with a Flex radio will cost you $265.00
each and every year.

For everything else there's Mastercard...Chuckle

Regards,
Gary


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On 22 May 2012 04:21, Bill b...@w2blc.net wrote:

 Software annual fee???  Does this mean the radio will cease to operate
 unless you continue to update the software?

 Sure hope this idea will not spread!

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?


Terry,

  Your second assumption brings up a valid point, but not the intended
  one. Yes, a Mac Mini probably won't work well.

My point there was the lack of multiple monitor support - Apple is a
closed system and the Mac Mini has only one video output.

 Not the addition of both signals, as you seem to imply. Think vector
 sums of AC voltages, not DC summing as a battery.

That is exactly my point.  An ADC must be able to handle the absolute
largest peak voltage for all signals at the same time.  If it can not
handle that peak voltage without overflow, the result is IMD that no
amount of decimation will correct.

 Granted, there may be instantaneous flashes where signals within the
 passband combine, but it's not constant like DC voltages, as your
 math implies. Than goodness we aren't all on the same frequency and
 the same phase.

While the chance of every signal adding to the maximum level is small
and the duration of any peak is certainly short, it never the less
represents a finite probability. It is exactly the reason that HDTV
television transmitters and cell phone base station transmitters have
power amplifiers that are rated for significant peak to average ratios
and generally need to run much higher standing currents (much closer to
class A than class C) to produce acceptable IMD/distortion/linearity
specifications.

If the receiver designer chooses to use AGC to prevent the ADC from
overflow, the AGC must have a very fast attack and will suffer from
the very issues of window desensitization we see with conventional
DSP radios when the DSP bandwidth is less than the roofing filter
bandwidth.

 Once again, go do research on Digital DownConversion, decimation,
 SDR, processing gain.

I have been ... I'm stuck in Charleston, WV due to car trouble on my
way home from Dayton.  I've been using the time to reread much of the
information on DDC, Decimation, etc. as well as discuss the issues off-
line with some of the smartest DSP people out there.  Decimation can
certainly improve Blocking Dynamic Range beyond that provided by the
number of bits ... higher sample rates and increased processing can
add to the effective dynamic range *IF* the ADC is never permitted to
overflow *or* AGC doesn't drop the weakest signals below the composite
noise floor.

I'm not questioning whether the Flex is interesting technology, I am
questioning whether the claimed 150 dB [blocking] dynamic range (no
claims about IMD DR) is sufficient to maintain sensitivity to below
-140 dBm if the ADC can be expected to see peak signal levels
approaching 20 dBm under normal (contest and/or low band) operating
conditions.

 And, once again, go to the Flex web site on-line store. Don't
 believe me. In black and white (not a tee shirt), it says the 6500 is
 $3,999 as a pre-order, with a $1,200 deposit required to pre-order.
 Click the button yourself. You might like the rig.

I'm said I like the concept and $3999 for the 6500 makes it more 
interesting - I was not able to find that price when I looked at the
web site (and downloaded the pdf brochure) before leaving Dayton.  I
do think there are some significant values in the dual front end
(6700) radio - like null steering, true duplex operation for SO2R
in a box, and diversity.  However, I think the Flex products would
make more appropriately priced at $2999/$4999 when compared to other
amateur products than even the current $3999/$6999.

If I could get the 6700 for $4999 with updates when desired for  $150
and I could be sure that the front end would not fall apart or there
wouldn't be a blocking issue with multiple strong signals (or 5V from
the local 50KW AM station) the 6700 would be on my short list of
future acquisitions.

  Sorry for the off-topic bandwidth.

I don't know that issues of DSP and/or receiver performance are
off-topic but that's up to Eric.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 5/21/2012 3:07 PM, wb4...@knology.net wrote:
 First of all, I do not use every bell and whistle on my K3, and I don't
 have every option available on my K3, even though it's nicely loaded to
 me. For example, I do not have the second receiver. So, I do not use my
 existing rig to it's maximum use. Therefore, to extrapolate that I
 would need to take advantage of every morsel in the 6700 or 6500 is
 apples to oranges.

 Your second assumption brings up a valid point, but not the intended
 one. Yes, a Mac Mini probably won't work well. But, not due to a lack of
 horsepower. Flex's initial software is for Windows. Yes, I know all
 about using Parallels and the other software thing that lets you run
 Windows programs on Mac. I have a Macbook here as well as Windows and
 Linux. Macs are notoriously expensive for what you get. I bet a
 $700-$900 (excluding monitor, since you priced just the Mini) Intel i5
 or i7 and Windows box would work very nice with a Flex 6000 series. Feel
 free to yell at Flex for not providing Mac support.

 Joe, your math below assumes that every signal is at the same frequency

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

*Peter,

Flex 5000 introductory price $3999.00
Flex 6700 introductory price $5999.00

Then there is another 6700 price of $6999.00

Confusing is the best I can say...:-(

Gary
*
On 22 May 2012 05:31, Peter Wollan peter.wol...@gmail.com wrote:

 The prices I find on the Flex web site are $5999 and $6999.

   Peter W0LLN


 On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:07 PM,  wb4...@knology.net wrote:
 
  And, once again, go to the Flex web site on-line store.  Don't believe
 me.
  In black and white (not a tee shirt), it says the 6500 is $3,999 as a
  pre-order, with a $1,200 deposit required to pre-order.
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

*Terry,

Ah ha!..thanks for the explanation. H...still think it is an expensive
way to enjoy the hobby.

Whilst lots of folks are talking about technical specs I will just keep on
working DX!

73's
Gary
*
On 22 May 2012 05:41, wb4...@knology.net wrote:

 Copied directly From the Flex web site (using copy/paste not retyped):

 FLEX-6500 Limited Edition Pre-Order Deposit Only - Total Introductory
 Price:
 $3999
 Your Price: $1,200.00

 The 6700 receive-only is the $5,999, and the Flex 6700 Rx/Tx is $6,000.
  The
 6500 (single SCU) is $3,999.  Look at the page bottom, last item.

 Or, am I looking at a different Flex Radio Systems on-line store Signature
 Series page than everyone else?
 Terry, WB4JFI

 -Original Message-
 From: Peter Wollan
 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 3:31 PM
 To: wb4...@knology.net
 Cc: Joe Subich, W4TV ; Elecraft Reflector
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

 The prices I find on the Flex web site are $5999 and $6999.

   Peter W0LLN


 On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:07 PM,  wb4...@knology.net wrote:
 
  And, once again, go to the Flex web site on-line store.  Don't believe
 me.
  In black and white (not a tee shirt), it says the 6500 is $3,999 as a
  pre-order, with a $1,200 deposit required to pre-order.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Keyboard

2012-05-21 Thread N2TK, Tony

So, to use an external keyboard we need to buy the SVGA interface? Does
anyone if there are any plans to provide an active keyboard port without
buying the SVGA capability?
Is there anything else we need to do to plug the keyboard into the USB port
on the SVGA card?

Tnx
N2TK, Tony

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Azlin N4ZPT
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 3:39 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Keyboard

Works for me Paul. 73, tom n4zpt

On 5/21/2012 2:48 PM, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote:
 The P3/SVGA keyboard is designed to work with the data modes currently 
 available on the K3.

 73,

 Paul


 WB4SON wrote

 Hey Paul,

 Nice to hear you are onto the P3 USB Interface.  I've never been 100% 
 clear on the proposed future capabilities, so I've been dreaming 
 (which is good but scary).

 I'd love to see PSK31  63 support, RTTY, plus Olivia, as well as CW.
 JT65
 would be cool, but may not be possible in a commercial product (and 
 Joe Taylor has taken ill recently -- however he was working with the 
 HDR people towards integrating with them, so maybe commercial is 
 possible).

 In terms of blue sky, it would be nice to have keyboard support for 
 multiple memories as well as an incrementing serial number register.

 In terms of the minimum PSK31, RTTY 45.45, and CW xmit and receive.

 And I would hope that this could function with the P3 screen by 
 itself (without requiring adding an additional monitor)

 73, Bob, WB4SON
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?


On 5/21/2012 3:41 PM, wb4...@knology.net wrote:
  Copied directly From the Flex web site (using copy/paste not retyped):

OK, I finally found it ... there are no links to the new radio prices
from the main page.  They are not listed under amateur products.  One
must select the on-line store and they be savvy enough to understand
that these new boxes are called the Signature Series before finally
finding any pricing information on these devices.

Interestingly enough on the same site, the annual maintenance package
mentions updates to the SmartSDR (control) software and tech support.
It does not say anything about upgrades to firmware (DSP code).

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 5/21/2012 3:41 PM, wb4...@knology.net wrote:
 Copied directly From the Flex web site (using copy/paste not retyped):

 FLEX-6500 Limited Edition Pre-Order Deposit Only - Total Introductory
 Price: $3999
 Your Price: $1,200.00

 The 6700 receive-only is the $5,999, and the Flex 6700 Rx/Tx is $6,000.
 The 6500 (single SCU) is $3,999. Look at the page bottom, last item.

 Or, am I looking at a different Flex Radio Systems on-line store
 Signature Series page than everyone else?
 Terry, WB4JFI

 -Original Message- From: Peter Wollan
 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 3:31 PM
 To: wb4...@knology.net
 Cc: Joe Subich, W4TV ; Elecraft Reflector
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

 The prices I find on the Flex web site are $5999 and $6999.

 Peter W0LLN


 On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:07 PM, wb4...@knology.net wrote:

 And, once again, go to the Flex web site on-line store. Don't believe me.
 In black and white (not a tee shirt), it says the 6500 is $3,999 as a
 pre-order, with a $1,200 deposit required to pre-order.


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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Bruce McLaughlin

I think it is a very bad idea.  While it is certainly common practice to
require an additional payment to continue to have access to updated
software, if the radio becomes inoperable because the software is not
updated, I think that would be totally unacceptable.  The thought of a $6700
radio becoming a paperweight is not something I would endorse.  I think
there needs to be further discussion of exactly what all this means.  I also
suspect this entire idea may go over like a lead balloon.

Bruce-W8FU

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 5:13 PM
To: Bill
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

*Bill,

You think that's a bad idea?

In VK look what happens!

ACMA Amateur ANNUAL licence fee:  $65.00
Flex annual lic fee:  $200.00

Hmmm...To be a licenced Ham in VK with a Flex radio will cost you $265.00
each and every year.

For everything else there's Mastercard...Chuckle

Regards,
Gary


*
On 22 May 2012 04:21, Bill b...@w2blc.net wrote:

 Software annual fee???  Does this mean the radio will cease to operate 
 unless you continue to update the software?

 Sure hope this idea will not spread!

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Morse Code Re-invented For The Smartphone

2012-05-21 Thread Fred Jensen

On 5/21/2012 10:48 AM, Mike Morrow wrote:
 Fellow Morse fans,

 I missed this short video announcement from gmail:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KhZKNZO8mQ

 This came out in **very early April**. :-)

Don't know about Gmail Tap, but I have a Morse Code Keyboard and a Code 
reader on my Sprint Android, as well as a PSK transceiver.  And when 
someone calls me it sends either their name [if they're in my phonebook] 
or the number at 25 WPM.  Interesting to be in line somewhere when that 
happens.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
- www.cqp.org

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Rick Prather

Actually you can hook up two monitors to a current mini and in fact if you use 
the Thunderbolt port you can hook up at least three!

Rick
K6LE

On 5/21/2012, at 2:23 , Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:

 
 Terry,
 
 Your second assumption brings up a valid point, but not the intended
 one. Yes, a Mac Mini probably won't work well.
 
 My point there was the lack of multiple monitor support - Apple is a
 closed system and the Mac Mini has only one video output.

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread kevinr

Back in '98 we hooked a very high end Mac to 9 monitors just to see if 
we could do it.  Worked great and the customer was quite pleased.  Those 
$10,000 Macs were fine machines.
 Kevin.  KD5ONS



On 5/21/2012 3:07 PM, Rick Prather wrote:
 Actually you can hook up two monitors to a current mini and in fact if you 
 use the Thunderbolt port you can hook up at least three!

 Rick
 K6LE

 On 5/21/2012, at 2:23 , Joe Subich, W4TVli...@subich.com  wrote:

 Terry,

 Your second assumption brings up a valid point, but not the intended
 one. Yes, a Mac Mini probably won't work well.
 My point there was the lack of multiple monitor support - Apple is a
 closed system and the Mac Mini has only one video output.
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Scott Manthe

The $1,000 Macs are fine machines, too.

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 5/21/12 6:10 PM, kevinr wrote:
 Back in '98 we hooked a very high end Mac to 9 monitors just to see if
 we could do it.  Worked great and the customer was quite pleased.  Those
 $10,000 Macs were fine machines.
   Kevin.  KD5ONS





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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Sebastian, W4AS

So if the new Flex doesn't require a top of the line PC to operate and already 
has much of the processing power inside, then I would say it's no longer a 
software defined transceiver in the traditional sense as we've known it (as the 
3000/5000), and perhaps should be called a software assisted radio.  Did I just 
coin a new phrase?

I disagree about SDRs being a danger as a business plan in general.  I hope 
Elecraft comes out with some sort of an SDR transceiver in the near future, and 
if they do, it should have an open software architecture that could run on any 
operating system.  I believe Flex promised that at some time, but never 
delivered.  This would allow older SDRs to live on, and could entice hardware 
builders to produce inexpensive transceivers without software or with minimal 
software.  Software authors could then design a logbook for example that 
actually controls the radio, not just connects to it.  The hardware should have 
a built in web server and wifi with at least ad-hoc networking for connection 
to the outside world.  The smart future Elecraft could design a contraption 
that would allow plug ins of additional hardware such as transmitters for 
VHF/UHF, or a big HF contest station could plug in additional transmitters as 
needed, but with just one main contraption.  The receiver(s) in said
  contraption would receive all bands of course; you just pick where you want 
to transmit; and where you want to transmit from in the world.

An issue that has already become a problem with older electronic equipment, is 
when you design hardware to use a certain CPU and/or proprietary chips.  The 
manufacturers of these components typically 'end of life' them in just a few 
years, which becomes a problem in near future manufacturing and parts stocking 
for repairs.

An example is the Kenwood TS-2000 which has been sold for well over a decade.  
The finals are no longer available, so Kenwood had to design a new finals board 
sometime ago with new transistors.  While the board can be used in older 
TS-2000s, the price is about half (with installation), of what the radio is 
worth.  

Barring a massive failure of the chips inside, I hope my K3s are still 
functional in 50 years, and myself as well! 

73 de Sebastian, W4AS


 On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:30 PM, wb4...@knology.net wrote:
 
 Naw, the client that displays the pan and controls the radio appears to be
 not too different from, say, Ham Radio Deluxe. Of course you can run lots
 of pans at once and increase the computing needed, but the radio part is
 all on the ARM chip inside.
 
 This is an interesting gambit on Flex's part. They absolutely have to get
 out from under PSDR, which has been a huge resource drain with no
 offsetting revenues. And they were facing obsolescence problems: a new
 version of Firewire, USB 3.0, new Windows OS, etc were making them run hard
 to stay in the same place with the old designs. OTOH, leaving the old
 designs and their installed user base in the dust kinda makes the claim
 that the radio can never go out of style sound a bit hollow -- their old
 designs are now orphans and that situation will only get worse. An HQ-110
 still performs as it did 50 years ago, but a radio that depended on an
 Atari 400 or an Apple 1 would just be junk. That could be the eventual fate
 of the existing Flex radios, and this new design makes that point in a
 trenchant way. It's a very promising design, a huge upgrade, and a huge
 amount of addition by subtraction; but it illustrates the difficulties and
 dangers of SDR as a business plan.
 
 Tony KT0NY

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Jim

Gary, the cheaper 6700 is the 6700R = RECEIVER ONLY.  The one for $6999 is
the 6700 transceiver.

KE4WY Jim

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

*Peter,

Flex 5000 introductory price $3999.00
Flex 6700 introductory price $5999.00

Then there is another 6700 price of $6999.00

Confusing is the best I can say...:-(

Gary
*
On 22 May 2012 05:31, Peter Wollan peter.wol...@gmail.com wrote:

 The prices I find on the Flex web site are $5999 and $6999.

   Peter W0LLN


 On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:07 PM,  wb4...@knology.net wrote:
 
  And, once again, go to the Flex web site on-line store.  Don't 
  believe
 me.
  In black and white (not a tee shirt), it says the 6500 is $3,999 as 
  a pre-order, with a $1,200 deposit required to pre-order.
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Sebastian, W4AS

Joe, without getting into a 'my OS is better than yours' discussion, you will 
have to tell my Mac Mini that it only has one video output.  Since last year, 
the Mac Mini has a standard HDMI port, as well as a ThunderBolt port (developed 
by Intel) where you can use an inexpensive adaptor to convert it for VGA, DVI 
or HDMI.  Add 8 gigs of RAM, and this cheap little i5 machine works great!

73 de Sebastian, W4AS



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 Terry,
 
 Your second assumption brings up a valid point, but not the intended
 one. Yes, a Mac Mini probably won't work well.
 
 My point there was the lack of multiple monitor support - Apple is a
 closed system and the Mac Mini has only one video output.

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[Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Carl, KØTNT

There is no charge from Flex for software with the original purchase. 
The $199 per year covers software upgrades AND technical support. 
Somewhat the same approach as the new owners of Ham Radio Deluxe, and 
the same program Carl Moreschi, N4PY, has been running for many years 
now with his computer software controls for many rigs including the K3.
The DDC approach isn't something that Flex just thought up last week. 
They have been doing this for quite some time in sales to commercial and 
military customers so I think a lot of initial bugs have probably been 
dealt with. Altho the introductory price is pretty staggering.
OTOH I am one of the abandoned SDR1000 crowd. When I first got one 
(used unit by a trade) many years ago, it was exciting with lots of new 
inputs, features, upgrades, bug fixes, new GUI skins, etc. Sometimes 
updates per week. But then when they brought out the 5000 series, the 
SDR1000 pioneers such as me got dumped by the side of the road.

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

Sebastian,

Your as we have known it phrase is telling - I think that attitude is 
prevalent among hams, but military and other users of SDR would not agree.

An SDR can be implemented by means of software in a personal computer 
*OR* embedded computing device (see 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software-defined_radio)

Taking the second alternative, Elecraft already has 2 SDRs - the K3 and 
the KX3.

I believe other SDRs are moving toward the embedded processor approach 
because it does away with obsolescence due to changes in personal 
computers - note that the early Flex transceivers used Firewire.  Try to 
find a modern laptop that has a firewire interface.  I know there are 
Firewire cards available for desktops, but many SDR users insist on 
using laptops so things can be portable.



On 5/21/2012 6:27 PM, Sebastian, W4AS wrote:
 So if the new Flex doesn't require a top of the line PC to operate and 
 already has much of the processing power inside, then I would say it's no 
 longer a software defined transceiver in the traditional sense as we've known 
 it (as the 3000/5000), and perhaps should be called a software assisted 
 radio.  Did I just coin a new phrase?


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[Elecraft] OT: Flex SDR Design

2012-05-21 Thread Edward R. Cole

Changing the subject line to fit the topic.

Definitely see the advantage of the embedded processor with firmware 
upgrades considering what Tony wrote.  A lot of us running ham 
specific sw are having these legacy issues with the continual upgrade 
of OS.  In fact I have a win95 P75 laptop and p100 desktop for 
running old DOS programs and still running my XP32 computer to avoid 
compatibility issues.  (but did sell off an old P3 win2000).  I have 
an idle P3 upgraded to xp32 which does nothing anymore (antivirus has 
expired with no use).  It might get used for dedicated antenna 
pointing controller/sw for eme.

We bought a Laptop during the Vista interlude and should have 
upgraded it to Seven, but now there is Eight.

Installing an embedded processor allows the SDR mfr to control sw 
upgrades in a more rational and economic manner.  I suppose this is 
the way new SDR's will go?  If so then there needs to be open 
sourcing for sw developers to make additions and improvements outside 
of the mfr.  It does amateur radio no service to have the design locked up.

That is the Apple model.  But will severely hamper ham radio SDR development.

73, Ed

Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 13:40:59 -0500
From: Tony Estep estept...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

Naw, the client that displays the pan and controls the radio appears to be
not too different from, say, Ham Radio Deluxe. Of course you can run lots
of pans at once and increase the computing needed, but the radio part is
all on the ARM chip inside.

This is an interesting gambit on Flex's part. They absolutely have to get
out from under PSDR, which has been a huge resource drain with no
offsetting revenues. And they were facing obsolescence problems: a new
version of Firewire, USB 3.0, new Windows OS, etc were making them run hard
to stay in the same place with the old designs. OTOH, leaving the old
designs and their installed user base in the dust kinda makes the claim
that the radio can never go out of style sound a bit hollow -- their old
designs are now orphans and that situation will only get worse. An HQ-110
still performs as it did 50 years ago, but a radio that depended on an
Atari 400 or an Apple 1 would just be junk. That could be the eventual fate
of the existing Flex radios, and this new design makes that point in a
trenchant way. It's a very promising design, a huge upgrade, and a huge
amount of addition by subtraction; but it illustrates the difficulties and
dangers of SDR as a business plan.

Tony KT0NY




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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?


  Since last year, the Mac Mini has a ...

Since last year is the operative phrase ... my Mic Minis (about three
years old) do not have a second video output and no option to add any.
However, this isn't specifically about the Mac Mini.  I could named any
of several netbook and/or small Windows based laptops that have no
external monitor support but I wanted to also highlight that Flex do
not support OS-X or LINUX in any way ... even in the new PowerRX.  Good
Luck controlling the Flex 6500 or 6700 from your iPAD or iPHONE!

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 5/21/2012 6:34 PM, Sebastian, W4AS wrote:
 Joe, without getting into a 'my OS is better than yours' discussion, you will 
 have to tell my Mac Mini that it only has one video output.  Since last year, 
 the Mac Mini has a standard HDMI port, as well as a ThunderBolt port 
 (developed by Intel) where you can use an inexpensive adaptor to convert it 
 for VGA, DVI or HDMI.  Add 8 gigs of RAM, and this cheap little i5 machine 
 works great!

 73 de Sebastian, W4AS



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 Terry,

 Your second assumption brings up a valid point, but not the intended
 one. Yes, a Mac Mini probably won't work well.

 My point there was the lack of multiple monitor support - Apple is a
 closed system and the Mac Mini has only one video output.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Morse Code Re-invented For The Smartphone

2012-05-21 Thread Barry

IIRC, that was an April Fool's joke from Google.

However, I have a bunch of ringtones saved with the caller's name at 60 WPM
in my dumbphone.

Barry W2UP

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Jim Lowman

Of course, this new direction by Flex in software begs the question of 
whether
they will continue to support and improve the existing PowerSDR software.
I'd hate to think that my Flex-1500 that's less than a year old will 
never change
for the better.
Of course, that question may have been asked and answered on the Flex 
list, so
I'll go over there and not perpetuate this OT discussion.

72/73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 5/21/2012 3:37 PM, Carl, KØTNT wrote:
 There is no charge from Flex for software with the original purchase.
 The $199 per year covers software upgrades AND technical support.
 Somewhat the same approach as the new owners of Ham Radio Deluxe, and
 the same program Carl Moreschi, N4PY, has been running for many years
 now with his computer software controls for many rigs including the K3.
 The DDC approach isn't something that Flex just thought up last week.
 They have been doing this for quite some time in sales to commercial and
 military customers so I think a lot of initial bugs have probably been
 dealt with. Altho the introductory price is pretty staggering.
 OTOH I am one of the abandoned SDR1000 crowd. When I first got one
 (used unit by a trade) many years ago, it was exciting with lots of new
 inputs, features, upgrades, bug fixes, new GUI skins, etc. Sometimes
 updates per week. But then when they brought out the 5000 series, the
 SDR1000 pioneers such as me got dumped by the side of the road.

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread vk4tux

Yes the lower price is for the 6500 transceiver (not receiver)
;
FLEX-6500 Limited Edition Pre-Order Deposit Only - Total Introductory Price:
$3999 (deposit $1200)

The FLEX-6500™ Signature Series transceiver is based on a new hardware
architecture and SmartSDR software platform.  This hardware uses Digital
Down Conversion (DDC) to convert from RF to digital and Digital Up
Conversion (DUC) to convert from Digital to RF.  The FLEX-6500 uses a single
Spectral Capture Unit (SCU) for the RF to digital conversion and an ultra
high performance on-board signal processing and control system to perform
demodulation and modulation, filtering, and audio stream management.  The
result is incredible receiver dynamic range and received signal clarity. 


The FLEX-6500 model transceiver utilizes a single SCU for reception from
0.33 to 77 MHz and the ability to create up to 4 full featured independent
SLICE RECEIVERS.  Optimized preselector filters can be selected for the ham
bands for greater out of band rejection.
 
SmartSDR is the ecosystem of the radio platform.  It organizes all the
signal processing power in the radios into an advanced radio fabric. 
SmartSDR understands the capabilities of each SCU and how to harness its
power.  It also comprises of the presentation layer or GUI client that the
user interacts with.  The FLEX-6500 utilizes an Ethernet connection for
high-speed driverless access to the graphical user interface (GUI).


The FLEX-6500 provides continuous duty 100W output across the entire 160-6m
band. The FLEX-6500 also includes an automatic antenna tuner (ATU) capable
of tuning antennas over 10:1 range (3:1 on 160m and 6m). 


For more technical information on the FLEX-6000 series of software defined
radios, just download the FLEX-6000 Product Brochure.


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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Tony Estep

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:


 .An SDR can be implemented by means of software in a personal computer
 *OR* embedded computing device



 other SDRs are moving toward the embedded processor approach
 because it does away with obsolescence due to changes in personal
 computers...

==
Don is right on. The old notion of what constitutes an SDR is no longer
meaningful, and leads only to confusion.

The embedded processor approach does a lot of good things, but not
everything.

It eliminates the miserable experience of having a piece of SDR software
that gobbles up the resources of the company trying to get it to run
correctly, and then trying to adapt and re-adapt it to ever-changing PC
hosts. However, as long as an outboard PC is required, the SDR business
model is perilous both for manufacturer and customer.

From the customer's point of view, the danger is obvious. When updates to
the outboard client are needed, they have to come from somewhere. What if
there is nobody to supply them? Your radio made by Collins, Hallicrafters,
Hammarlund, E.F. Johnson, National, etc. etc. will still work. But your
software made by Lotus, or Wordstar, or Zilog, or Spinnaker, will not.

And from the manufacturer's point of view, the tension between trying to
advance your technology and trying to not alienate your installed user base
and damage your credibility creates a narrow path. As the Bhudda said, To
perceive and to follow the Middle Way is perhaps the most difficult
thing... like walking on the razor's edge.

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Lyle Johnson

Software defined does not mean PC-based.  The K3 and KX3 are 
absolutely software defined radios.

73,

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Dave Hachadorian

Why is it that the off-topic threads are the ones that go on 
forever?


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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

If you want an extended example of the PC implementation of SDR, take a 
look at LP-PAN.  That is an SDR converter (for receive only) to take 
the IF of a receiver and convert it to I/Q signals which can be further 
processed in a panadapter display on a personal computer.

One of the things Larry Phipps emphasizes is that once you get 
everything working, do NOT allow Windows to update.  While supposedly, 
Windows updates are good for security  situations, it is known that such 
updates will upset the applecart with the SDR handling software.

I bring this example in to point out the dependency that SDR systems 
that use a personal computer have on the operating system which can 
change from day to day.  The embedded processor does not have that 
exposure, and IMHO is much better because it is more stable.

The downloadable firmware for the K3 and KX3 definitely put those radios 
into the SDR arena.  I certainly hope Elecraft does not begin to charge 
$200 a year for firmware (and technical) support.
Yes, charging for upgrades within the software community is not unknown, 
and I do not begrudge Carl N4PY for doing that - he has an excellent 
product, but $200 a year seem a bit steep - Carl charges $35 per year 
- a big difference.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/21/2012 7:37 PM, Tony Estep wrote:
 On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Don Wilhelmw3...@embarqmail.com  wrote:

 .An SDR can be implemented by means of software in a personal computer
 *OR* embedded computing device


 other SDRs are moving toward the embedded processor approach
 because it does away with obsolescence due to changes in personal
 computers...
 ==
 Don is right on. The old notion of what constitutes an SDR is no longer
 meaningful, and leads only to confusion.

 The embedded processor approach does a lot of good things, but not
 everything.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Keyboard

2012-05-21 Thread Paul Saffren N6HZ

Hi Tony, 

Yes, in order to use the USB keyboard on the P3 you will need to install the
SVGA option.   The SVGA board has the USB port.  Once installed, a USB
keyboard can then be plugged in directly.  Nothing else is needed. 


73, 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Keyboard

2012-05-21 Thread John Buck

I hope your definition of keyboard data modes includes keyboard cw.

John KH7T
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Wayne Burdick

And in case anyone was wondering, there will never, ever, be an annual  
Elecraft tech-support charge.

Wayne


Lyle Johnson wrote:

 Software defined does not mean PC-based.  The K3 and KX3 are
 absolutely software defined radios.



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Keyboard

2012-05-21 Thread Paul Saffren

Hi John,

Yes of course, CW is included!

It's probably not a good idea to keep talking about the USB keyboard as 
some sort of 'datamode' option for the P3/SVGA.   It really is just a 
keyboard that can be plugged into the P3, and then the P3/SVGA becomes a 
data terminal much like how the K3 terminal utility works on a computer, 
only there isn't a computer.   It's all contained in the P3/SVGA.

73,

Paul


On 5/21/2012 5:07 PM, John Buck wrote:
 I hope your definition of keyboard data modes includes keyboard cw.

 John KH7T

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Re: [Elecraft] Mystery interference on showing up on P3

2012-05-21 Thread david Moes

On 5/19/2012 5:50 PM, Rose wrote:
 Hi Mike,

 It -may- be an ionospheric sounder.
My first thought too but these sounders are usually much faster and pure 
tone and sound like a quick chirp on the audio.   I have heard similar 
sounds to yours too  and followed them for a short while  but not lately 
and definitely pre K3 days.   I don't have a P3 yet so I don't have the 
visual. I wonder how far it really goes if you were to follow it 
down the band and one had the time and the general coverage it might be 
interesting to see oddities on the airwaves have always 
interested me as well as annoyed me.

 Good afternoon all, below is a link to a You-tube recording of my P3
 picking something up and I am not sure what it is. Any input would be great.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYS29ueN5nc

 Thanks for your input.
 Mike
 VE3WDM
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?


On 5/21/2012 8:12 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
  And in case anyone was wondering, there will never, ever, be an annual
  Elecraft tech-support charge.

That is good news ... and an outstanding reason to eschew the new Flex
offerings.  However, I am looking forward to the next high performance
offering from Elecraft.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Bruce Beford

Difficult to see... Always in motion, is the future.
-Yoda


 That is good news ... and an outstanding reason to eschew the new Flex
 offerings.  However, I am looking forward to the next high performance
 offering from Elecraft.




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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Dayton- new hf rigs?

2012-05-21 Thread Tony Estep

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:

 And in case anyone was wondering, there will never, ever, be an annual
 Elecraft tech-support charge.


...just one of many favorable outgrowths of having thought through very
carefully the right combination of business model + technology model. SDR
via an outboard PC is a beguiling idea, but maybe impossible to
commercialize. The KX3 so far appears (at least IMHO) to be the perfect
blend of what works electronically and what works in the market.

Tony KT0NY



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[Elecraft] Mobile KM1

*How about an Elecraft mobile with remote head with coverage HF, 6, 2 and
70cm with 100W output on HF - 6M and 50W on 2M and 40W on 70cm?

The current offerings are of questionable quality and performance but many
operators own these types of radios for mobile and or backup shack
transceivers etc.

International sales would be good I should imagine given the issues with
the current crop of available offerings from the opposition.

Whilst the KX3 can fit this market, it really is not an all band, all mode
ideal mobile transceiver.

Slow day here and just mulling over my want vs need list.

73's
Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] Mobile KM1

Is this a request for do everything even if poorly over a request to 
do things well.]

The KX3 is already a 160 through 6 meters remote head, while keeping 
the entire transceiver function  in the remote head  Add an amplifier 
and you are good to go at whatever power level your amplifier supports.

2 meters has been a promised addition, and although that have been some 
requests for 70 cm, I have not seen anything from Elecraft that it could 
be included.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/21/2012 9:01 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
 *How about an Elecraft mobile with remote head with coverage HF, 6, 2 and
 70cm with 100W output on HF - 6M and 50W on 2M and 40W on 70cm?

 The current offerings are of questionable quality and performance but many
 operators own these types of radios for mobile and or backup shack
 transceivers etc.

 International sales would be good I should imagine given the issues with
 the current crop of available offerings from the opposition.

 Whilst the KX3 can fit this market, it really is not an all band, all mode
 ideal mobile transceiver.

 Slow day here and just mulling over my want vs need list.

 73's
 Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] Mobile KM1

2012-05-21 Thread Phil Hystad

I give up -- why is the KX3 not a mobile transceiver?

Now the idea of having one mobile rig for HF through VHF/UHF is useful but it
would not be my first choice.  In fact, in my pickup truck now, I have two 
mobile rigs.  An Icom 706 MkIIG and a Yaesu 7800R.  The Yaesu is a 2 meter,
70 cm FM mobile rig.  The 706 does have 2 meter and 70 cm capability but
I never use it.  It is a real hassle so I prefer two separate rigs and I will 
probably always prefer that as I like to monitor the 2 meter calling frequency
when I am otherwise doing other stuff on HF.

I plan to upgrade my 706 (which is not really the greatest CW rig) to a
KX3 sometime later this year.

73, phil, K7PEH


On May 21, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:

 *How about an Elecraft mobile with remote head with coverage HF, 6, 2 and
 70cm with 100W output on HF - 6M and 50W on 2M and 40W on 70cm?
 
 The current offerings are of questionable quality and performance but many
 operators own these types of radios for mobile and or backup shack
 transceivers etc.
 
 International sales would be good I should imagine given the issues with
 the current crop of available offerings from the opposition.
 
 Whilst the KX3 can fit this market, it really is not an all band, all mode
 ideal mobile transceiver.
 
 Slow day here and just mulling over my want vs need list.
 
 73's
 Gary
 *
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[Elecraft] Dayton observation and learning about equipment

2012-05-21 Thread goldtr8


I have only been a licence's ham for slightly over 2 years and I have 
learned a lot of lessons.

One of these lessons is you have to pay for quality in your gear.   I 
looked as stuff that I did not purchase in my recent past as I did not 
really understand the true differences in equipment I have since 
determined that I did not get the best bang for my buck.

I spent a lot of time looking at amps and tuners this weekend as I want 
to take my power cube and put it in the jeep where it belongs.

Anyway long story short after spending a lot of time with Lyle talking 
about the new elecraft amp and future tuner I was really impressed with 
the total integration of the package (plus I received a great NB 
lesson).   I have determined that I have a lot of options on where to 
spend my money in the future and this time I will only spend it on stuff 
that has quality workmanship and design.

So I want to say thanks to the elecraft team for a great product and I 
will save up again and get a quality amp and tuner and it will surely 
match the K3.

I only wish I could have ordered my stuff at Dayton this year, but alas 
a cracked tooth and root canal has tapped my savings for additional toys 
in the shack.

Cheers
Don


~73
Don
KD8NNU
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Re: [Elecraft] Mobile KM1

2012-05-21 Thread Rick Bates

With cross band repeat AND full duplex (different band) for satellites.

Don't need no stinkin touch screen  ;o)

Rick wa6nhc

-Original Message-
From: Gary Gregory

*How about an Elecraft mobile with remote head with coverage HF, 6, 2 and
70cm with 100W output on HF - 6M and 50W on 2M and 40W on 70cm?

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Re: [Elecraft] Mobile KM1

*Rick,

H, I didn't think of that. Ala 847 satellite in a
mobile...H...interesting thought.

CW paddle built into my steering wheel...hey Toyota, no charge for my
ideas..:-)

73's
Gary
*
On 22 May 2012 11:43, Rick Bates happymooseph...@gmail.com wrote:

 With cross band repeat AND full duplex (different band) for satellites.

 Don't need no stinkin touch screen  ;o)

 Rick wa6nhc

 -Original Message-
 From: Gary Gregory

 *How about an Elecraft mobile with remote head with coverage HF, 6, 2 and
 70cm with 100W output on HF - 6M and 50W on 2M and 40W on 70cm?




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Re: [Elecraft] Mobile KM1