[Elecraft] K3 Remotely Program CW messages

2015-01-21 Thread Ed Gray W0SD
Can you program the CW messages in the K3 remotely? If so how?  I can't 
figure out a way to do it!


Thanks,

Ed W0SD
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Re: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list

2015-01-21 Thread Phil Hystad
That works as long as some discussion does not start up on the
[Announcement] tag. Or, if people can remember to be diligent, before
starting discussion they can remove the [Announcement] tag.

By the way, I already filter out a small set of e-mails (from the from: tag)
because I don't want to miss anything they say.  These are filtered merely
by marking them with flag (Mac mail).  This set is somewhat obvious and
includes:  Wayne, Eric, and about a dozen others whose technical
expertise  knowledge is far more than mine (thus, reading their messages puts 
me in
learning mode most of the time).

73, phil, K7PEH


 On Jan 21, 2015, at 10:26 AM, David Cole d...@nk7z.net wrote:
 
 That would work for me...  Just filter on the announce tag, and move the
 rest to a discussion folder I can look at as needed...
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 On Wed, 2015-01-21 at 17:11 +, Matthew Pitts via Elecraft wrote:
 I have a better suggestion; how about an [Announcement] tag in the subject 
 line that people could use to filter messages? That would be far less work 
 for Eric in the long run, and it would allow discussion on said 
 announcements to occur; even if a separate list was set up for them, it 
 would inevitably happen that the discussion would come to this list, whether 
 we wanted to read it or not.
 Matthew PittsN8OHU 
 
  From: Jeffrey Otterson otterson_nos...@nhrc.net
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:50 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
 
 The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0  -- way below.
 
 Eric: Could we please have an elecraft-announce list, that provides only
 announcements from Elecraft (products  firmware  other *useful* news) and
 allows no other posters?  That would be extremely useful.  I don't have
 time to dig through the flames to find that 1% nugget.
 
 Thanks for your consideration.
 
 Jeff n1kdo
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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-21 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II 
b...@wjschmidt.com wrote:

 These are roofing filters, so you will only notice a difference in
 adjacent frequency rejection of loud signals... so if you live out in the
 country and don't have any loud stations near you, it’s not likely you will
 ever perceive a difference between 5 pole and 8 pole filters.


Will beg to differ here. It certainly is not just the loud local at issue.
Another is the dB between the very weak desired IN-channel signal and the
very loud close-in UN-desired station that is just barely up or down from
you.

If I had a dollar bill for every time I was trying to copy a very weak 40m,
in-the-noise EU QRP station running a noodle antenna on the floor of his
basement, with a 10 kW mildly clicky Italian station up 300 Hz with a three
element beam up 180 feet aimed at the US, I could buy a lot of new
equipment.

Of course, we were using a five element full sized quad on 40m, but the K3
showing 45 over 9 for his signal seemed high. Between DX contests I did a
complete alignment and calibration. The next time I ran into that station
he was only (?) 40 over 9. Or maybe that was propagation. The ambient noise
was S4. That's S4 in the 350 Hz 8 pole filter (250). So I'll give the
argument the benefit of the doubt here call the QRP station S4, although
probably he was only S3 at best. That's a 65 dB difference (probably 70)
between the wanted and unwanted. What the 5 poles do NOT have, and the 8
poles DO have, is sharply steep skirts.

The problem is to drop 65-70 dB in about 170 Hz. And do it without tuning
off your run frequency. Knowing those kinds of situations, the other ops
would not let me put a rig with 5 pole filters on the line. The 8 pole 350
with the DSP at 350 drops 65 dB off center zero in 250 Hz. With the NB set
for medium key click cancel, that takes out my 40 over 9 up frequency
neighbor and most people calling him and allows me to strain to copy the
noodle QRP station with nothing but ambient noise as the enemy.

Do I need that in mild casual operating?  Heck no. But it serves me in many
more situations than just when I have another station within a quarter mile.

If I took my K3 out to the contest station with 5 pole filters for CW
running bandwidth, the other ops wouldn't let me put it on the line. It
would be an emergency spare only.

As for SSB contesting, I use the 8 pole 1.8 roofers, and it just barely
uncovers some signals from interference up and down.

73, Guy.
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[Elecraft] E850463 15-pin KAT500 / KPA500 Cables

2015-01-21 Thread KD3TB
Hello to all on the list.

 

I have two genuine Elecraft 15 pin cables that are used to interconnect the
K3 to the KPA 500 and the KAT 500.


KAT500 to KPA500 cable. Provides band data to KAT500 for band change prior
to TX,, and feeds through KPAK3AUX cable data from  the K3 to the KPA500.
Typically used in addition to the KPAK3AUX cable from the K3 to route band
data, keying and AUXBUS data through the KAT500 to the KPA500. (The KAT500
has AUX Cable IN and OUT connections.) This is the same 15 pin cable as is
contained in the KPAP3AUX cable set.

  
They are surplus to my needs and are functionally  cosmetically 100%.

 

They sell on the Elecraft website for $24.95 each.

 

I am offering them for half price -- $15 each or both for $25 + actual
postage to your destination.

 

PayPal or personal check OK.

 

Please contact me off list if interested.  My call sign at arrl.net.

 

Irwin, KD3TB

 

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Low output 30m

2015-01-21 Thread Wayne Burdick
Sounds like the 30-meter band-pass filter trimmers need to be readjusted.

Wayne
N6KR


On Jan 20, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Roger D Johnson n...@roadrunner.com wrote:

 My K3 has always had low output on 30m (ca 90 watts). I checked the TXG 
 (transmit gain)
 figures and 40m is 64, 30m is 103 and 20m is 30. The K3 uses the same lowpass 
 filter on
 30 and 40m. Is it possible mine rolls off too quickly at the low end?
 
 73, Roger N1RJ
 
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Re: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list

2015-01-21 Thread David Cole
That would work for me...  Just filter on the announce tag, and move the
rest to a discussion folder I can look at as needed...
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
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http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Wed, 2015-01-21 at 17:11 +, Matthew Pitts via Elecraft wrote:
 I have a better suggestion; how about an [Announcement] tag in the subject 
 line that people could use to filter messages? That would be far less work 
 for Eric in the long run, and it would allow discussion on said announcements 
 to occur; even if a separate list was set up for them, it would inevitably 
 happen that the discussion would come to this list, whether we wanted to read 
 it or not.
 Matthew PittsN8OHU 
 
   From: Jeffrey Otterson otterson_nos...@nhrc.net
  To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:50 AM
  Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list

 The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0  -- way below.
 
 Eric: Could we please have an elecraft-announce list, that provides only
 announcements from Elecraft (products  firmware  other *useful* news) and
 allows no other posters?  That would be extremely useful.  I don't have
 time to dig through the flames to find that 1% nugget.
 
 Thanks for your consideration.
 
 Jeff n1kdo
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Re: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list

2015-01-21 Thread Ken G Kopp
The delete key remains the best noise limiter.  There are a few list
posters that I've learned to delete on sight without reading.

Let's not have Eric think for us ... he has more important matters to
attend to.

73

Ken - K0PP
On Jan 21, 2015 7:50 AM, Jeffrey Otterson otterson_nos...@nhrc.net
wrote:

 The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0  -- way below.

 Eric: Could we please have an elecraft-announce list, that provides only
 announcements from Elecraft (products  firmware  other *useful* news) and
 allows no other posters?  That would be extremely useful.  I don't have
 time to dig through the flames to find that 1% nugget.

 Thanks for your consideration.

 Jeff n1kdo
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[Elecraft] Setting up remote stations

2015-01-21 Thread Greg
Since rebuilding my shack I no longer have a need for operating remotely.

If anyone is working on setting up a remote station I have some items you
may be interested in.

Netgear Ethernet adapter

http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Universal-Ethernet-Adapter-
WNCE2001/dp/B003KPBRRW

Silex USB to Ethernet device (2 ports)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GOGOTWE/ref=oh_aui_
detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8psc=1

Lantronics serial to Ethernet (2 RS2332 ports)

http://gridconnect.com/usb-to-serial/serial-to-ethernet/uds2100.html

$200 for all three shipped CONUSand

1. GHE remote internal antenna and standard power, 8 relays. standard
indoor enclosure.

2. GHE remote with external enclosure w/bias T, 16 relay, interior antenna.

New condition. $225 shipped CONUS. Would cost about $380 from GHE.

73
Greg
AB7R
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Re: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list

2015-01-21 Thread Matthew Pitts via Elecraft
I have a better suggestion; how about an [Announcement] tag in the subject line 
that people could use to filter messages? That would be far less work for Eric 
in the long run, and it would allow discussion on said announcements to occur; 
even if a separate list was set up for them, it would inevitably happen that 
the discussion would come to this list, whether we wanted to read it or not.
Matthew PittsN8OHU 

  From: Jeffrey Otterson otterson_nos...@nhrc.net
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:50 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
   
The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0  -- way below.

Eric: Could we please have an elecraft-announce list, that provides only
announcements from Elecraft (products  firmware  other *useful* news) and
allows no other posters?  That would be extremely useful.  I don't have
time to dig through the flames to find that 1% nugget.

Thanks for your consideration.

Jeff n1kdo
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Re: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list

2015-01-21 Thread Wes (N7WS)

Some would then say, use JT65.

On 1/21/2015 7:50 AM, Jeffrey Otterson wrote:

The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0  -- way below.


[snipped to spare the reader]
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Re: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list

2015-01-21 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
I second this notion of an elecraft-announce list,that provides only 
announcements from Elecraft.
I would find that quite useful

  From: Jeffrey Otterson otterson_nos...@nhrc.net
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:50 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
   
The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0  -- way below.

Eric: Could we please have an elecraft-announce list, that provides only
announcements from Elecraft (products  firmware  other *useful* news) and
allows no other posters?  That would be extremely useful.  I don't have
time to dig through the flames to find that 1% nugget.

Thanks for your consideration.

Jeff n1kdo
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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-21 Thread Edward R Cole

Since I operate very little on HF, then why did I buy the 8-pole filters?

Because:
1.  I figured they had steeper skirts for extreme operating 
conditions where adjacent strong signals were encountered.  (very 
rarely happens in my neighborhood though a multi- super contesting 
station lies 10mi north of me).  But someday I may be operating 
portable/mobile in the lower-48 where it will be appreciated.


2.  I bought the KRX3 sub-receiver; matched filters were recommended.
3.  I figured it would help re-sale value, someday.

I bought:
13-KHz for FM (on VHF)
2.8-KHz (K3 required either 5 or 8-pole SSB filter)
400-Hz CW
2.8-KHz for KRX3.

I wrongly bought an extra 13-KHz filter for the KRX3, not thinking 
clearly that the KRX3 would not be used for FM - I sold it here on 
the reflector after realizing my error.


In practise I mostly use the 2.8-KHz roofing filter and set bw with 
the DSP, even on CW, which is mainly used for VHF or eme.  The 400-Hz 
filter does appear to improve the sensitivity when running 200-Hz on 
CW-eme.  Probably knocks down the noise bw of the receiver before the 
A/D converters.


I avoid the HF contests and only participate in the Elecraft 
Net.  Occasional psk-31 on 14.070, and very occasional general 
chatting on (mostly 20m).  99% activity is eme oriented which is 90% 
building/fixing and 10% operating.  QRV on 17-bands 600m/3cm.


73, Ed - KL7UW
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[Elecraft] PX3 makes tuning in a PSK31 signal more accurately

2015-01-21 Thread Gary - NC3Z
Well one of the things I have found that the PX3 helps with is being 
able to more accurately and quickly to tune in a PSK31 signal verse 
using the CWT Tuning Aid. I set the PX3 span to 2 or 3KHz and tune the 
VFO so that the PX3's cursor's bold line is on one of the 2 PSK signal 
peaks. If you put the bold line in the center of the signal then it does 
not decode. I have also noticed that tuning to the left peak seems to 
decode better than the right.


BTW, I have started posting to this reflector as the KX3 Yahoo reflector 
seems to have issues with messages being posted, I have noticed it takes 
a long time to post and when it does I have noticed my messages have 
been altered.


--

Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remotely Program CW messages

2015-01-21 Thread Oliver Dröse


Ed,

you can do it with the K3 Utility software thru your remote RS-232 
connection.


73, Olli - DH8BQA

Contest, DX  radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de


Am 21.01.2015 um 20:52 schrieb Ed Gray W0SD:
Can you program the CW messages in the K3 remotely? If so how?  I 
can't figure out a way to do it!


Thanks,

Ed W0SD
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[Elecraft] P3 Request

2015-01-21 Thread Gary Smith
Since I often use the P3 for chasing DX in a pileup, I don't need the 
empty space to the left 1/2 of the screen, or rarely, the right 1/2 
of the screen when I have the Dx Tx freq in the center.

I'd like to see the P3 allow you to pin the DX Tx frequency to the 
far side and use the entire screen to pick  choose where I want to 
transmit in split. As it is, when chasing DX pileups, I have to waste 
1/2 of the screen which means everything I want to look at has to be 
compressed in 1/2 the space. 

73,

Gary
KA1J

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[Elecraft] equipment for sale

2015-01-21 Thread Carl Yaffey
I have the following items to sell from a silent key’s estate:
KX3
PX3
K1
Two K2s
two WM-2s
XG3
KAT100
HF Packer amp K500R
Z11 PRO2 auto tuner

Email for more info. Make reasonable offers.

73,
Carl Yaffey, K8NU, K3 7976.








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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Request

2015-01-21 Thread Fred Jensen
I do this in Fixed Track mode.  I set the left edge just a little lower 
than the DX QRG [VFO A in split mode], and then set the span to a little 
wider than the pile-up which then occupies most of the width of the 
screen.  The VFO B [my TX QRG] cursor is then a snap to move to where I 
think he last made a Q.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/21/2015 4:10 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

Since I often use the P3 for chasing DX in a pileup, I don't need the
empty space to the left 1/2 of the screen, or rarely, the right 1/2
of the screen when I have the Dx Tx freq in the center.

I'd like to see the P3 allow you to pin the DX Tx frequency to the
far side and use the entire screen to pick  choose where I want to
transmit in split. As it is, when chasing DX pileups, I have to waste
1/2 of the screen which means everything I want to look at has to be
compressed in 1/2 the space.

73,

Gary
KA1J


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[Elecraft] K3 hi SWR between radio and KPA500 on 160M only

2015-01-21 Thread Bill OMara via Elecraft
It seems I developed a high SWR between the K3 and the KPA500 only on 160M.

 

I did test the output of the K3 on 160M into a dummy load and it's 1:1.

 

I then hooked the K3 back to the KPA 500 and repeated the hi SWR.

 

I didn't test all the band but I did test 80 and 40 and they are work fine
in STBY and OPER (KPA500) but on 160M I get a high SWR with both STBY and
OPER on the K3.

 

I testing was done into dummy load to confirm the problem.

 

Any help where to start in the KPA 500 would be great.

 

Thanks

 

73 Bill

 

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-21 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
This thread is closed. Joe's earlier posting was inappropriate and violated list 
guidelines.


Please refrain from discussing this further. Please address complaints to the 
list manager (me), rather than posting here.


73,

Eric
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On 1/21/2015 5:58 AM, W2BLC wrote:
Hoorah! I thought this is a technical forum - not an elitist venue. Can we 
move on?


Flame if you want - it just warms the bandwidth and wastes your time.

Bill W2BLC K-Line


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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 makes tuning in a PSK31 signal more accurately

2015-01-21 Thread David Orman
The method you just described has been exactly my experience. Using the PX3
I tune to the left peak, and it decodes well every time. Tuning to the
center does not work. CWT has never worked well for me.

David

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Gary - NC3Z nc3z.g...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well one of the things I have found that the PX3 helps with is being able
 to more accurately and quickly to tune in a PSK31 signal verse using the
 CWT Tuning Aid. I set the PX3 span to 2 or 3KHz and tune the VFO so that
 the PX3's cursor's bold line is on one of the 2 PSK signal peaks. If you
 put the bold line in the center of the signal then it does not decode. I
 have also noticed that tuning to the left peak seems to decode better than
 the right.

 BTW, I have started posting to this reflector as the KX3 Yahoo reflector
 seems to have issues with messages being posted, I have noticed it takes a
 long time to post and when it does I have noticed my messages have been
 altered.

 --

 Gary Mitchelson
 NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
 NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
 www.mitchelson.org

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[Elecraft] Elecraft gear for sale - apology

2015-01-21 Thread Carl Yaffey
Folks, I’m getting swamped with replies. I must apologize for my lack of 
knowledge about these items. I’ve never done an estate thing before. I’m going 
to go over and get more info and I’ll repost everything with prices. One thing 
for sure: the ham kept all his gear in top shape. 
 So hang loose, guys! Hi hi.
73,
Carl

Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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[Elecraft] KAT500 RF tap for SDR Pure Signal

2015-01-21 Thread peterc281
As well as using my K3 to drive my KPA500/KAT500 I am also using a Apache
Labs Anan-10. 

There is a means of improving the linearity of the SDR transmitter using
“Pure Signal” This is achieved by sampling the xmit signal and making
appropriate corrections via the computer.

The xmit signal is sampled at the output to the antenna and needs to be
appropriately attenuated in the order of 40dB.

As the KAT500 already is sampling the RF for various functions I would like
to tap off the RF signal to use for this feature. I see there are test
points in the KAT500 marked VFWD and VREFL but unfortunately they are DC
voltages and I just need RF.

So, the question is, is there a schematic diagram available for the KAT500
or has anyone been brave enough to jump is and tap of some RF for this or a
similar project?

I notice there is a capped off hole on the back plate which would make an
ideal place to fit a connector to output the signal.

Peter, VK3IJ




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[Elecraft] Filter for SSTV

2015-01-21 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Just a heads up for guys who run Analog SSTV
Inrad has a  #727 -- 1500 Hz 8215 kHz SSB 8-pole crystal filter
It really helps with those stations who like to snuggle in close to the SSTV 
frequencies.

 
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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-21 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
This technical part of the discussion is of course, OK. My prior thread closure 
just posted under this topic referred to the improper postings in reference to 
maritime nets etc.


Carry on. :-)

73,

Eric
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On 1/21/2015 6:42 AM, dyarnes wrote:

Hi All,

Maybe I misinterpreted the data, but when I selected my filters, I opted for 
the 8 pole 400 hz, plus the 5 pole 200 hz.  I selected the latter one simply 
because the actual width seemed more compatible in relation to what the 400 hz 
filter provided.  The 250 hz filter almost overlapped the 400 hz filter.  
Besides, the 5 pole filters are not slouches!  The 8 pole filters may have 
somewhat steeper skirts, but not to the point that they make the 5 pole filters 
a bad idea, or a serious compromise.  In any event, I wasn’t trying to save the 
slight difference in cost.  However, maybe I erred in my assessment, which I 
often do!!!  I rarely have to go to the 200 hz filter, but when I do, it seems 
to do the job very nicely.

Dave W7AQK



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Request

2015-01-21 Thread Mike K2MK
Hi Gary,

You'll want to use the center frequency shift feature. Hold the Center
button on the P3 to activate the function and turn the P3 knob until the DX
station (VFO A) is wherever you want it to be. It works in Fixed Tune mode
or Tracking mode. 

73,
Mike K2MK



Gary Smith-2 wrote
 Since I often use the P3 for chasing DX in a pileup, I don't need the 
 empty space to the left 1/2 of the screen, or rarely, the right 1/2 
 of the screen when I have the Dx Tx freq in the center.
 
 I'd like to see the P3 allow you to pin the DX Tx frequency to the 
 far side and use the entire screen to pick  choose where I want to 
 transmit in split. As it is, when chasing DX pileups, I have to waste 
 1/2 of the screen which means everything I want to look at has to be 
 compressed in 1/2 the space. 
 
 73,
 
 Gary
 KA1J





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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 makes tuning in a PSK31 signal more accurately

2015-01-21 Thread Edouard Lafargue
  My 2 cents on CWT tuning: I find it usually takes two times to get it to
decode reliably: first time gets close, then pressing CWT a second time a
second later gets it right. Works best if no other PSK signal is around,
otherwise it gets confused...

Ed

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:03 PM, David Orman orma...@corenode.com wrote:

 The method you just described has been exactly my experience. Using the PX3
 I tune to the left peak, and it decodes well every time. Tuning to the
 center does not work. CWT has never worked well for me.

 David

 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Gary - NC3Z nc3z.g...@gmail.com wrote:

  Well one of the things I have found that the PX3 helps with is being able
  to more accurately and quickly to tune in a PSK31 signal verse using the
  CWT Tuning Aid. I set the PX3 span to 2 or 3KHz and tune the VFO so that
  the PX3's cursor's bold line is on one of the 2 PSK signal peaks. If you
  put the bold line in the center of the signal then it does not decode. I
  have also noticed that tuning to the left peak seems to decode better
 than
  the right.
 
  BTW, I have started posting to this reflector as the KX3 Yahoo reflector
  seems to have issues with messages being posted, I have noticed it takes
 a
  long time to post and when it does I have noticed my messages have been
  altered.
 
  --
 
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  NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
  NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
  www.mitchelson.org
 
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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-21 Thread Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft
I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS!
  The contesters I know are up to here with nets comprised of operators 
  with ancient and el cheapo radios defending the frequencies they own, 
  justifying their ownership by calling them traffic nets, or maritime 
  nets but almost never passing traffic and never checking in anyone on a 
  boat, and rarely doing much more than checking in. Now, there's nothing 
  wrong with any of that, but it gives those operators no more right to 
  the frequency they have selected than the contester who hears an empty 
  frequency, asks QRL?, hears nothing, and calls CQ.ANCIENT AND EL CHEAPO - 
Reeks with Condescension.
There are documented instances where the Maritime Net has come to the 
assistance of distressedboaters on the high sea. 
Copied from the previous post. 
   Sadly, when a major contest comes around i am forced to hide on the WARC 
bands.
   If not open then i find something else to do.    I have all 8 pole 
filters but they dont help when a rude station blasts away less tha 1kc up/down 
from me running crap audio, an amp         getting its ring flogged and a 
rig with all the knobs slammed to the right. Oh, and we cop it from EU and the 
US.Geography is irrevelant it seems.. No point in asking either.  It 
is what it is i guess.   73   Gary
  Vk1ZZ
Ham Radio is not only about Contesting! 


73 Milverton. 
 
 

 From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
   
On Tue,1/20/2015 11:34 PM, tnny...@yahoo.com wrote:
 The level of Snobbery here has crested the previous water mark.

Not snobbery at all. I'm simply trying to save people money by advising 
them not to buy stuff they don't need. Someone who wants to operate on a 
crowded band needs narrow filters. it sounds like you and your friends do.

The contesters I know are up to here with nets comprised of operators 
with ancient and el cheapo radios defending the frequencies they own, 
justifying their ownership by calling them traffic nets, or maritime 
nets but almost never passing traffic and never checking in anyone on a 
boat, and rarely doing much more than checking in. Now, there's nothing 
wrong with any of that, but it gives those operators no more right to 
the frequency they have selected than the contester who hears an empty 
frequency, asks QRL?, hears nothing, and calls CQ.

I take pride in a very clean and narrow signal. My K3 with power amp has 
a -40 dB SSB bandwidth less than 3.5 kHz. If you want to operate next to 
me, you need to bring a good radio to the party. And I'm not going to 
QSY because you don't. And If I've established a run frequency and 
you've decided it's time for your net, you can look for an empty 
frequency, just like I had to.



73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Low output 30m

2015-01-21 Thread Roger D Johnson

I meant to say same filter on 30 and 20m.

On 1/20/2015 3:49 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote:

My K3 has always had low output on 30m (ca 90 watts). I checked the TXG
(transmit gain)
figures and 40m is 64, 30m is 103 and 20m is 30. The K3 uses the same lowpass
filter on
30 and 40m. Is it possible mine rolls off too quickly at the low end?

73, Roger N1RJ

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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-21 Thread Jim Brown

On Tue,1/20/2015 11:34 PM, tnny...@yahoo.com wrote:

The level of Snobbery here has crested the previous water mark.


Not snobbery at all. I'm simply trying to save people money by advising 
them not to buy stuff they don't need. Someone who wants to operate on a 
crowded band needs narrow filters. it sounds like you and your friends do.


The contesters I know are up to here with nets comprised of operators 
with ancient and el cheapo radios defending the frequencies they own, 
justifying their ownership by calling them traffic nets, or maritime 
nets but almost never passing traffic and never checking in anyone on a 
boat, and rarely doing much more than checking in. Now, there's nothing 
wrong with any of that, but it gives those operators no more right to 
the frequency they have selected than the contester who hears an empty 
frequency, asks QRL?, hears nothing, and calls CQ.


I take pride in a very clean and narrow signal. My K3 with power amp has 
a -40 dB SSB bandwidth less than 3.5 kHz. If you want to operate next to 
me, you need to bring a good radio to the party. And I'm not going to 
QSY because you don't. And If I've established a run frequency and 
you've decided it's time for your net, you can look for an empty 
frequency, just like I had to.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-21 Thread Mike Harris
K3 with sub RX here.  Both with stock 2.7kHz and five pole 500Hz 
filters.  Not a contester but haunt DX and DXped piles.  I have a 
neighbour 300 metres away with a 9+60 signal from another brand 
transceiver that fills any band he is on with S5 noise, somewhat less on 
adjacent bands but still there.  Inclusion of a band filter between his 
transceiver and linear cures the adjacent band problem.  A visiting K3 
at the same location being used on SSB whilst I was on CW was not known 
to be on the band until I saw a spot.  A quick check revealed that I 
could get within +/- 35kHz before noise became a problem. At that point 
I was till copying a VE SSB mobile at S2-3 without difficulty.


The nice thing about the K3 is you can tell it lies about the filter 
setup, both width and offset.  Both my unmatched filter pairs have 
exactly the same offset, I told the K3 they had.  As far as I am aware 
this information is only used in the maths used to set the syth 
frequencies to make sure the filters are suitably positioned with 
respect to the desired audio passband.  A 500Hz filter passband window 
error of a few tens of Hz is not an issue.  I believe the matched 
filters are only good for 10Hz, could be wrong there.


Five pole works for me.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO


On 21/01/2015 02:55, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II wrote:

Well let's be clear here...

These are roofing filters, so you will only notice a difference in adjacent 
frequency rejection of loud signals... so if you live out in the country and 
don't have any loud stations near you, it’s not likely you will ever perceive a 
difference between 5 pole and 8 pole filters.   So the decision is driven more 
by the degree of loud stations operating adjacent to you... than by the type of 
operating you do.


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ

Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois

Owner – Operator
Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ
Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
Rent it at: http://www.vrbo.com/487375

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-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don 
Wilhelm
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:23 PM
To: Bill Coleman; Mike Zbrozek
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

Bill,

If you are not into 'hot and heavy' contesting or DXing in a pileup
and/or diversity receive, you will find the 5 pole filters quite adequate.

The problem is that the 8 pole filters have a better slope factor and
do not have an offset.
The offset is only important for diversity reception, and the slope
factor is only important in situations where the band conditions are
such that there are strong signals on adjacent frequencies -- as might
be encountered in heavy contests or DX pileups.

So if you are not interested in having the optimum receive capability in
DX pileups and heavy contesting situations, save your $$$ and use the 5
pole filters.  Some of us are more casual operators, and the $$$ savings
can be significant.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/20/2015 11:17 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:

On Jan 13, 2015, at 10:52 PM, Mike Zbrozek k8...@verizon.net wrote:

As a cw opr that is planning on buying a K3 next month I would
like to know how many cw ops use/prefer 5 or 8 pole cw filters?
Does anybody use the 1000 Hz 8 pole filter for hunting cq's then
switch over to a 500 or 400 Hz filter? And how many cw ops use a sharper 200 or 
250 Hz filter?

Tnx in Advance

Mike Zbrozek, K8XF

I’m going to buck the trend a little bit. I only have one 8-pole filter — the 
13 kHz FM filter.

I see posts from a lot of guys who have a radio full of 8-pole filters. That’s 
nice — if you can afford it. Those filters are expensive.

During the five years I spent dreaming of owning a K3, I had thought I only 
wanted to have the 8-pole filters. However, my wife (the best XYL ever!) 
ordered a very stock K3 for me for Christmas, and it came with the 2700 Hz 
(5-pole) filter. Swapping out this filter after the fact for the 2800 (8-pole) 
filter is even more expensive than ordering it in the first place.

Because of the expense, I used the stock filter for about six months before 
contemplating anything. I bought the 13 kHz filter because it gave me FM and AM 
receive and transmit capability. I got the 500 Hz (5-pole) filter because 
someone offered it on this list at a greatly discounted price.

The key thing to remember about the K3 is that the DSP IS your filter! You 
don’t have to buy any of those expensive crystal filters. PERIOD. The radio 
works great with just the stock filter.

Do the expensive crystal filters make a difference? Yes. The 500 Hz filter 
makes a difference. I’ve got it configured to kick in at 450 Hz. There’s a 
distinct difference in the audio background noise switching to 450 from 500. 
During the 160m CW contest, this filter knocks down a lot of adjacent channel 
interference. I’m glad I have a narrow roofing filter available for CW, PSK and 
RTTY 

Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-21 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 Ham Radio is not only about Contesting!

Neither is ham radio about bunch of Nets that only serve as claims
to frequencies in direct contravention to the license terms of those
who make them.

THERE ARE MARITIME DISTRESS FREQUENCIES FOR THOSE ACTIVITIES!  ANYONE
WHO GOES ON THE WATER WITHOUT PROPER EQUIPMENT AND EXPECTS TO USE HAM
RADIO TO BAIL HIS/HER BUT OUT IS A FOOL.

That the Maritime Service Net has bailed out fools who were too cheap
to purchase/install proper safety equipment only proves that the nets
are populated by equal numbers of fools intent on enabling dangerous
and foolish behavior.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-21 6:56 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:

I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS!
   The contesters I know are up to here with nets comprised of operators
   with ancient and el cheapo radios defending the frequencies they own,
   justifying their ownership by calling them traffic nets, or maritime
   nets but almost never passing traffic and never checking in anyone on a
   boat, and rarely doing much more than checking in. Now, there's nothing
   wrong with any of that, but it gives those operators no more right to
   the frequency they have selected than the contester who hears an empty
   frequency, asks QRL?, hears nothing, and calls CQ.ANCIENT AND EL CHEAPO - 
Reeks with Condescension.
There are documented instances where the Maritime Net has come to the 
assistance of distressedboaters on the high sea.
Copied from the previous post.
Sadly, when a major contest comes around i am forced to hide on the WARC 
bands.
If not open then i find something else to do.I have all 8 pole filters but they dont 
help when a rude station blasts away less tha 1kc up/down from me running crap audio, an amp 
getting its ring flogged and a rig with all the knobs slammed to the right. Oh, and we cop it from EU and the 
US.Geography is irrevelant it seems.. No point in asking either.  It is what it is i guess.   
73   Gary
   Vk1ZZ
Ham Radio is not only about Contesting!


73 Milverton.



  From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
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  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

On Tue,1/20/2015 11:34 PM, tnny...@yahoo.com wrote:

The level of Snobbery here has crested the previous water mark.


Not snobbery at all. I'm simply trying to save people money by advising
them not to buy stuff they don't need. Someone who wants to operate on a
crowded band needs narrow filters. it sounds like you and your friends do.

The contesters I know are up to here with nets comprised of operators
with ancient and el cheapo radios defending the frequencies they own,
justifying their ownership by calling them traffic nets, or maritime
nets but almost never passing traffic and never checking in anyone on a
boat, and rarely doing much more than checking in. Now, there's nothing
wrong with any of that, but it gives those operators no more right to
the frequency they have selected than the contester who hears an empty
frequency, asks QRL?, hears nothing, and calls CQ.

I take pride in a very clean and narrow signal. My K3 with power amp has
a -40 dB SSB bandwidth less than 3.5 kHz. If you want to operate next to
me, you need to bring a good radio to the party. And I'm not going to
QSY because you don't. And If I've established a run frequency and
you've decided it's time for your net, you can look for an empty
frequency, just like I had to.



73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list

2015-01-21 Thread jp
Yes please!!
Thank you! 

Jorge - KC5RY




 On Jan 21, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Jeffrey Otterson otterson_nos...@nhrc.net 
 wrote:
 
 The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0  -- way below.
 
 Eric: Could we please have an elecraft-announce list, that provides only
 announcements from Elecraft (products  firmware  other *useful* news) and
 allows no other posters?  That would be extremely useful.  I don't have
 time to dig through the flames to find that 1% nugget.
 
 Thanks for your consideration.
 
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[Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list

2015-01-21 Thread Jeffrey Otterson
The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0  -- way below.

Eric: Could we please have an elecraft-announce list, that provides only
announcements from Elecraft (products  firmware  other *useful* news) and
allows no other posters?  That would be extremely useful.  I don't have
time to dig through the flames to find that 1% nugget.

Thanks for your consideration.

Jeff n1kdo
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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-21 Thread dyarnes
Hi All,

Maybe I misinterpreted the data, but when I selected my filters, I opted for 
the 8 pole 400 hz, plus the 5 pole 200 hz.  I selected the latter one simply 
because the actual width seemed more compatible in relation to what the 400 hz 
filter provided.  The 250 hz filter almost overlapped the 400 hz filter.  
Besides, the 5 pole filters are not slouches!  The 8 pole filters may have 
somewhat steeper skirts, but not to the point that they make the 5 pole filters 
a bad idea, or a serious compromise.  In any event, I wasn’t trying to save the 
slight difference in cost.  However, maybe I erred in my assessment, which I 
often do!!!  I rarely have to go to the 200 hz filter, but when I do, it seems 
to do the job very nicely.

Dave W7AQK

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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-21 Thread W2BLC
Hoorah!  I thought this is a technical forum - not an elitist venue. Can 
we move on?


Flame if you want - it just warms the bandwidth and wastes your time.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-21 Thread Dale Putnam
And If I've established a run frequency and
 you've decided it's time for your net, you can look for an empty
 frequency, just like I had to.

You're right Jim... however.. a qrp op doesn't have that right  he has 
to move... when the Other mindset op comes on... so.. I'll speak up here.

We own it... We've been here at this time for the last 150 years!! 
ok.. fine..
But the one that gets me.. is the 
We can't change freq.. because no one will find us.
Don't they have vfos? I'm pretty sure that most of the radios used in nets 
today have
vfos. And.. I'm pretty sure that if the operators don't know how to use the 
vfo, and their
own skills to find the NCS.. they need to learn how.. and now would be a good 
time. 

I'm proud of my K2(s) and I expect anyone with almost any radio to be able to 
operate 
within a few cycles of me... They do all the time now... but not for long.. 
I move. It's kinda funny tho.. I can move and still make Qs.. many times I tune 
back 
and find they have given up moved on, calling empty returns... on a very 
productive freq 
for me. 
 
Part of the game, I suppose. 
Have a great day, 
 
 
--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 

  
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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-21 Thread Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft
   EXPECTS TO USE HAM RADIO TO BAIL HIS/HER BUT OUT IS A FOOL. 
  Amazing! 

73 Milverton / W9MMS


  From: Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
   

  Ham Radio is not only about Contesting!

Neither is ham radio about bunch of Nets that only serve as claims
to frequencies in direct contravention to the license terms of those
who make them.

THERE ARE MARITIME DISTRESS FREQUENCIES FOR THOSE ACTIVITIES!  ANYONE
WHO GOES ON THE WATER WITHOUT PROPER EQUIPMENT AND EXPECTS TO USE HAM
RADIO TO BAIL HIS/HER BUT OUT IS A FOOL.

That the Maritime Service Net has bailed out fools who were too cheap
to purchase/install proper safety equipment only proves that the nets
are populated by equal numbers of fools intent on enabling dangerous
and foolish behavior.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-21 6:56 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:
 I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS!
   The contesters I know are up to here with nets comprised of operators
   with ancient and el cheapo radios defending the frequencies they own,
   justifying their ownership by calling them traffic nets, or maritime
   nets but almost never passing traffic and never checking in anyone on a
   boat, and rarely doing much more than checking in. Now, there's nothing
   wrong with any of that, but it gives those operators no more right to
   the frequency they have selected than the contester who hears an empty
   frequency, asks QRL?, hears nothing, and calls CQ.ANCIENT AND EL CHEAPO - 
Reeks with Condescension.
 There are documented instances where the Maritime Net has come to the 
 assistance of distressedboaters on the high sea.
 Copied from the previous post.
    Sadly, when a major contest comes around i am forced to hide on the WARC 
bands.
     If not open then i find something else to do.   I have all 8 pole 
filters but they dont help when a rude station blasts away less tha 1kc 
up/down from me running crap audio, an amp             getting its ring 
flogged and a rig with all the knobs slammed to the right. Oh, and we cop it 
from EU and the US.Geography is irrevelant it seems.. No point in asking 
either.  It is what it is i guess.   73   Gary
   Vk1ZZ
 Ham Radio is not only about Contesting!


 73 Milverton.



      From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

 On Tue,1/20/2015 11:34 PM, tnny...@yahoo.com wrote:
 The level of Snobbery here has crested the previous water mark.

 Not snobbery at all. I'm simply trying to save people money by advising
 them not to buy stuff they don't need. Someone who wants to operate on a
 crowded band needs narrow filters. it sounds like you and your friends do.

 The contesters I know are up to here with nets comprised of operators
 with ancient and el cheapo radios defending the frequencies they own,
 justifying their ownership by calling them traffic nets, or maritime
 nets but almost never passing traffic and never checking in anyone on a
 boat, and rarely doing much more than checking in. Now, there's nothing
 wrong with any of that, but it gives those operators no more right to
 the frequency they have selected than the contester who hears an empty
 frequency, asks QRL?, hears nothing, and calls CQ.

 I take pride in a very clean and narrow signal. My K3 with power amp has
 a -40 dB SSB bandwidth less than 3.5 kHz. If you want to operate next to
 me, you need to bring a good radio to the party. And I'm not going to
 QSY because you don't. And If I've established a run frequency and
 you've decided it's time for your net, you can look for an empty
 frequency, just like I had to.



 73, Jim K9YC


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[Elecraft] OFF TOPIC: Discussion about etiquette

2015-01-21 Thread David Cole
Could we move this to the above topic please...  I was enjoying the
filter discussion...

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On Wed, 2015-01-21 at 08:58 -0500, W2BLC wrote:
 Hoorah!  I thought this is a technical forum - not an elitist venue. Can 
 we move on?
 
 Flame if you want - it just warms the bandwidth and wastes your time.
 
 Bill W2BLC K-Line
 
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