Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT)

2015-02-12 Thread David Anderson
Wunder,

Unfortunately that I code is in a completely different language/environment to 
that I know and use so I personally could not help. 

However it is surprising that code supports so many manufacturers -apart- from 
Elecraft, but I suppose again it is down to the numbers, like the ratio of 
Windows/Macintosh there must be Japan/USA ham radio sales ratios. 

Mac Ham software mostly materialises because an individual has to do it for 
himself as the commercial world has ignored it. 

Despite the Macintosh making a better showing than in recent years, most of the 
effort by developers is in the iOS and Android market, again down to the 
numbers.

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

 On 12 Feb 2015, at 16:54, Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org wrote:
 
 There is a request for K3/KX3 support in Chirp. I would start with that code 
 and contribute support.
 
 http://chirp.danplanet.com/issues/248
 
 wunder
 K6WRU
 CM87wj
 http://observer.wunderwood.org/
 
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[Elecraft] test

2015-02-12 Thread Shel Sherman
testing
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Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT)

2015-02-12 Thread David Anderson
Rick,

More off topic 

 On 12 Feb 2015, at 16:56, Rick Prather rprat...@mac.com wrote:
 
 When the Memory Manager first came out it was said that it would be ported to 
 the Mac soon.  That was about three years ago...  
 Don't know what happened.

Yes, good point, I suppose it depends what was used for creating the software? 
It seems to rely on Microsoft stuff, that is probably the reason it isn't 
easily ported, so would need to be started from scratch. If enough people ask 
then maybe something would happen.


 
 David you bring up an interesting topic.  I am of the opinion that the 
 ability to run virtual machines (Parallels, Fusion, etc) on the Mac wound up 
 costing us a lot of good Ham software.  Too often the answer given for 
 running ham software on the Mac is to run it under Parallels, etc.
 

Actually although all my testing of Windows stuff is done in Parallels, I don't 
actually like using it very much. I always used a real PC in the shack for 
things that I couldn't run on my Macintosh at the time, like WSJT. Though that 
has changed.


 If that option wasn't there I bet more talented programmers would have jumped 
 in and written Mac specific software.

The OSX ham market just wasn't there for a long time. I made my MoonSked 
software cross platform, OSX, Windows and Linux. I sell 95% Windows users, the 
Mac is insignificant despite there being no other competing Mac products, yet 
many free Windows ones. Linux, forget about it, a couple that is all. 

Even free Mac/Windows software shows similar ratios of users I found. 

 
 I hope we see more in the future.  There really are a lot of Hams that run 
 Macs and would like to stay within OS X  for their software.

Maybe, but unfortunately in many cases hams have already got a Windows PC in 
the shack and have started to use it, it is then difficult to leave all that, 
especially since all the new stuff seems to come out on Windows first. 

What I would like to see if manufacturers of ham gear make sure they produce 
their software utilities for Mac, Windows and Linux, Elecraft are pretty good 
at doing this, just the memory manager seems to be missing.

As things seem to be running in browsers more and more, there is hope for more 
universal software.

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ



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Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

2015-02-12 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
From a programming perspective If I were write a program it would be for 
Windows.
You write for the largest market.

Years ago (in the DOS days) I considered getting Mac for my mother since it was 
easier to use.Once windows came along (and it became stable) the choice changed 
to going to Windows for her.
Personally I like Linux, but since I work on this stuff all day, when I go home 
at night I just wantto be a user like everyone else (and turn it on and it 
works) so even I run windows on my desktop.





  From: Scott Manthe scott.man...@gmail.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 12:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac
   
That move likely saved the Mac, Phil.

73,
Scott, N9AA



On 2/12/15 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:

 If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?) it's Apple for 
 switching from Power PC CPUs to Intel CPUs, making it possible to run 
 Windows, etc. on a Mac.

 73, Phil W7OX


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Re: [Elecraft] Bug or feature KX3 stuck in CMP ALC meter display mode -aha!

2015-02-12 Thread David Anderson

Found this...

* CW-IN-SSB TRANSMIT ADDED:  This feature allows you to send CW while in SSB 
mode, which can be useful when your SSB signal cannot be copied due to poor 
conditions. The other station will hear a tone at your CW pitch. To enable 
CW-in-SSB: Locate the CW WGHT menu entry, then tap ‘1’ (PRE) to alternate 
between “SSW +CW” (enabled) and “SSB –CW” (disabled). The default is disabled. 
Important Notes: (1) CW-in-SSB does not yet apply in SPLIT mode. (2) When 
CW-in-SSB is enabled, tapping the KEYER/MIC knob toggles between keyer speed 
and mic gain rather than between the two transmit metering scales (CMP/ALC and 
SWR/RF). The CMP/ALC scale is still shown temporarily whenever CMP or mic gain 
are adjusted.


So that is what was causing it. DATA mode allows you to toggle it to one or the 
other so when you go back to SSB.

Useful to know.

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

 On 12 Feb 2015, at 20:13, David Anderson gm4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Correction I meant stuck displaying CMP ALC in the last sentence.
 
 73
 
 David Anderson GM4JJJ 
 
 On 12 Feb 2015, at 20:11, David Anderson gm4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 We have noticed (others on the Yahoo KX3 group) that if you toggle to the 
 CMP ALC meter display mode by tapping the Keyer/Mic knob WHILE IN DATA mode 
 that when you return to SSB mode there is no way to toggle to SWR RF meter 
 display. Tapping Keyer/Mic or CMP in SSB then makes no difference, you are 
 stuck forever displaying SWR RF.
 
 I wasn't aware of this until today, but it did cause quite a bit of 
 confusion.
 
 73
 
 David Anderson GM4JJJ 
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Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT)

2015-02-12 Thread Phil Wheeler


On 2/12/15 10:16 AM, David Anderson wrote:
Actually although all my testing of Windows 
stuff is done in Parallels, I don't actually 
like using it very much. I always used a real PC 
in the shack for things that I couldn't run on 
my Macintosh at the time, like WSJT. Though that 
has changed.
Using Bootcamp to run Windows will give you a 
happier view of your Mac running Windows.  SSDs 
are really a plus, then.


Phil W7OX

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Re: [Elecraft] test

2015-02-12 Thread Ian - Ham
Congratulations, Shel!  You passed!

Hope this helps.

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik@gmail.com
10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
PODXS 070 #1962
K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

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Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

2015-02-12 Thread David Anderson
Good on you Phil.

It is always nicer to write and use your own software IMO too.

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

 On 12 Feb 2015, at 19:46, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote:
 
 I have half a mind (only half) to write a memory management program for the 
 KX3 and K3 for Mac.  My motivation is to do something new in Swift.
 
 Although I have MacLoggerDX, I don't use it anymore since I found it much 
 nicer to use my own 
 software that I write for the Mac.  I have several different applications but 
 only one useful for
 ham radio which is my own logging database application.  Often I don't find 
 much reason to write
 software for my ham radio rigs because I rarely use it except for the 
 utilities needed for the
 Elecraft rigs.
 
 However, I do think a memory management utility would have merit.  
 Unfortunately, another 
 two projects are in the front of the line right now so likely someone else 
 will beat me to the
 punch.  But, if not, maybe I will have some time this summer.
 
 73, phil, K7PEH
 Retired from 46 years as professional programmer.
 
 
 On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft 
 elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote:
 
 From a programming perspective If I were write a program it would be for 
 Windows.
 You write for the largest market.
 
 Years ago (in the DOS days) I considered getting Mac for my mother since it 
 was easier to use.Once windows came along (and it became stable) the choice 
 changed to going to Windows for her.
 Personally I like Linux, but since I work on this stuff all day, when I go 
 home at night I just wantto be a user like everyone else (and turn it on and 
 it works) so even I run windows on my desktop.
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Scott Manthe scott.man...@gmail.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 12:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac
 
 That move likely saved the Mac, Phil.
 
 73,
 Scott, N9AA
 
 
 
 On 2/12/15 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
 
 If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?) it's Apple for 
 switching from Power PC CPUs to Intel CPUs, making it possible to run 
 Windows, etc. on a Mac.
 
 73, Phil W7OX
 
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[Elecraft] Bug or feature KX3 stuck in CMP ALC meter display mode

2015-02-12 Thread David Anderson
We have noticed (others on the Yahoo KX3 group) that if you toggle to the CMP 
ALC meter display mode by tapping the Keyer/Mic knob WHILE IN DATA mode that 
when you return to SSB mode there is no way to toggle to SWR RF meter display. 
Tapping Keyer/Mic or CMP in SSB then makes no difference, you are stuck forever 
displaying SWR RF.

I wasn't aware of this until today, but it did cause quite a bit of confusion.

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 
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Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

2015-02-12 Thread Phil Wheeler

I absolutely agree, for several reasons, Scott.

Phil W7OX

On 2/12/15 9:24 AM, Scott Manthe wrote:

That move likely saved the Mac, Phil.

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 2/12/15 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:


If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?) 
it's Apple for switching from Power PC CPUs to 
Intel CPUs, making it possible to run Windows, 
etc. on a Mac.


73, Phil W7OX


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Re: [Elecraft] Need Aux Y Cable for K3... Where to buy?

2015-02-12 Thread Gerry Hull
Thanks Guys!!

Gerry Hull, W1VE   | Hancock, NH USA | +1-603-499-7373
AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM
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On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:


 From the archives:

 Cables and splitters are also available from Cable Wholesale:
 www.cablewholesale.com and Altex: www.altex.com

 also look at breakout boards from Winford Engineeering:
 http://www.winford.com/products/brksd15hd.php and Y cable:
 http://www.winford.com/products/cdy15hd.php

 73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


 On 2015-02-12 12:11 PM, Gerry Hull wrote:

 Hi,

 I bought one of these before, but I cannot find the vendor now.

 I need to control band decoders as well as get at the TX-Inhibit Pin
 so I can control my Acom 2S1 Commutator.

 Any help appreciated!

 73,

 Gerry Hull, W1VE   | Hancock, NH USA
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Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

2015-02-12 Thread Phil Hystad
I have half a mind (only half) to write a memory management program for the KX3 
and K3 for Mac.  My motivation is to do something new in Swift.

Although I have MacLoggerDX, I don't use it anymore since I found it much nicer 
to use my own 
software that I write for the Mac.  I have several different applications but 
only one useful for
ham radio which is my own logging database application.  Often I don't find 
much reason to write
software for my ham radio rigs because I rarely use it except for the utilities 
needed for the
Elecraft rigs.

However, I do think a memory management utility would have merit.  
Unfortunately, another 
two projects are in the front of the line right now so likely someone else will 
beat me to the
punch.  But, if not, maybe I will have some time this summer.

73, phil, K7PEH
Retired from 46 years as professional programmer.


 On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft 
 elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote:
 
 From a programming perspective If I were write a program it would be for 
 Windows.
 You write for the largest market.
 
 Years ago (in the DOS days) I considered getting Mac for my mother since it 
 was easier to use.Once windows came along (and it became stable) the choice 
 changed to going to Windows for her.
 Personally I like Linux, but since I work on this stuff all day, when I go 
 home at night I just wantto be a user like everyone else (and turn it on and 
 it works) so even I run windows on my desktop.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Scott Manthe scott.man...@gmail.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 12:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac
 
 That move likely saved the Mac, Phil.
 
 73,
 Scott, N9AA
 
 
 
 On 2/12/15 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
 
 If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?) it's Apple for 
 switching from Power PC CPUs to Intel CPUs, making it possible to run 
 Windows, etc. on a Mac.
 
 73, Phil W7OX
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Bug or feature KX3 stuck in CMP ALC meter display mode

2015-02-12 Thread David Anderson
Correction I meant stuck displaying CMP ALC in the last sentence.

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

 On 12 Feb 2015, at 20:11, David Anderson gm4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 We have noticed (others on the Yahoo KX3 group) that if you toggle to the CMP 
 ALC meter display mode by tapping the Keyer/Mic knob WHILE IN DATA mode that 
 when you return to SSB mode there is no way to toggle to SWR RF meter 
 display. Tapping Keyer/Mic or CMP in SSB then makes no difference, you are 
 stuck forever displaying SWR RF.
 
 I wasn't aware of this until today, but it did cause quite a bit of confusion.
 
 73
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

2015-02-12 Thread David Anderson
I agree, there is a gap in the market for a Macintosh memory manager for the 
KX3/K3.

Perhaps Don Agro the author of MacLoggerDX at Dog Park Software may consider 
adding it to his excellent free MacMemoriesManager program, though I note he 
has discontinued it, so probably not unfortunately.

http://www.dogparksoftware.com

OFF TOPIC ( stop now if you could care less)

When I get some time I might look at how difficult it would be to do something 
myself. I have used Xojo (formerly REALbasic) to develop cross platform 
Macintosh, Windows and sometimes Linux software. I note that the Elecraft 
utilities are also written on that same IDE., which makes sense if you want to 
quickly develop for more than one platform.

You generally find that software for amateur radio gets written by individuals 
who have some piece of equipment themselves, but find there is no software to 
do what they want available on their chosen computer platform and they end up 
writing it themselves by necessity. 

That is how I ended up writing software to support Mac HP GPS Control (all the 
good names had gone) for the Z3801A time and frequency standard, it was later 
expanded to include other variants of the same thing that I did not have myself 
(much harder to debug with no hardware to test on). I was surprised to find 
there was a small worldwide market for such a specialised thing.

So, in order to get someone to write this, you need to find someone that has a 
desire to write it for themselves, namely someone with a love of Macintosh 
computers and who possesses the KX3 and of course has the spare time to do it. 
It is a labour of love, not a commercial endeavour. 

Anyone could do it, I have no formal training in software writing, apart from a 
week in FORTRAN with punched cards on a terminal in 1972 when I never even saw 
the computer, only the green and white line printer error messages the next 
day. Nearly put me off computing for life.

It wasn't until the era of the personal computer that I became interested, 
first with the Acorn Atom when I wrote a Moon Tracking program which has been 
modified over the years from an early beginning to run on the Macintosh and 
Windows PC.


73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

 On 12 Feb 2015, at 03:03, Joshua Gould jg.k8...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 As I'm tuning around the bands I keep finding frequencies that I would like
 to place into memories with tags.  I've always found the easiest way to do
 this was via a computer.  I know that there is a memory manager for the K3
 and KX3 for Windows, but my VM is kind of squirlly so I'm looking for
 something that can manage the memory in the KX3 natively.
 
 
 73,
 Joshua Gould
 K8WXA
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Re: [Elecraft] CW in SSB mode

2015-02-12 Thread Roger D Johnson
It's normal, Dave. I've been trying to get Elecraft to change this for years. 
That and the adjustable
bandwidth for the APF always seem to fall through the cracks. I finally bought a 
Autek QF-1A

which helps immensely.

73, Roger


On 2/12/2015 12:38 AM, dyarnes wrote:

Hi All,

I probably missed this somewhere as I don't do SSB all that much.  I can do CW 
in SSB mode, but not when I'm operating split.  It works fine if I am not 
operating split.  I do have the menu set for SSB + CW.  Am I doing something 
wrong?


Dave W7AQK


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Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT)

2015-02-12 Thread Brian Waterworth
 Has anyone had good luck running ham software on Linux in a  windows XP
partition?

This is how I run in my shack (about 2.5 years) ...Ubuntu 12.04 LTS +
VMWare Player v6 running Windows XP.  In the Windows VM, I have HRD,
WSJT-X, N1MM, Fldigi, KX3 Memory program, etc.  I do try to use Linux as
often as I can (i.e., FLDigi, KX3 Utility program).  I need a more recent
Ubuntu (14.04 LTS) to get WSJT-X to work or figure out the dependency
mismatch to run the most recent version on the older Ubuntu.  I have a dual
monitor set-up and run the Windows VM on one monitor and the Ubuntu desktop
on the other.  I do all web browsing in Ubuntu, never Windows XP.

Love Linux/Ubuntu and have been using it for Work, Ham, etc.  Only drop
down to Windows when I must.  I actively am trying to find ways to move
everything to Linux.  So grateful for FLDigi as it is multi-platform; learn
once, run everywhere.

regards,
Brian
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 SWR

2015-02-12 Thread Bill Wilkins
Also found out today after I made up a 35 RG58 cable the SWR went back up to
1.8-1. 
35 RG8X 1.5-1.  
KX3 definitely particular in this case. Crazy!
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Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT)

2015-02-12 Thread Phil Wheeler
Yes on Yosemite; no problems. I run the latest 
Ubuntu as dual boot on my Win 8.1 laptop in the 
shack; no WinXP computers any more here.


Phil W7OX

On 2/12/15 12:25 PM, KarlErb wrote:

Thanks for the tip.  Will give it a try.  Have you made the switch to Yosemite?

Has anyone had good luck running ham software on Linux in a windows XP 
partition?

Karl
W3BF



On Feb 12, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Phil Wheeler w...@socal.rr.com wrote:



On 2/12/15 10:16 AM, David Anderson wrote:
Actually although all my testing of Windows stuff is done in Parallels, I don't 
actually like using it very much. I always used a real PC in the shack for 
things that I couldn't run on my Macintosh at the time, like WSJT. Though that 
has changed.

Using Bootcamp to run Windows will give you a happier view of your Mac running 
Windows.  SSDs are really a plus, then.

Phil W7OX


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Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT)

2015-02-12 Thread KarlErb
Thanks for the tip.  Will give it a try.  Have you made the switch to Yosemite?

Has anyone had good luck running ham software on Linux in a windows XP 
partition?

Karl
W3BF


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 On 2/12/15 10:16 AM, David Anderson wrote:
 Actually although all my testing of Windows stuff is done in Parallels, I 
 don't actually like using it very much. I always used a real PC in the shack 
 for things that I couldn't run on my Macintosh at the time, like WSJT. 
 Though that has changed.
 Using Bootcamp to run Windows will give you a happier view of your Mac 
 running Windows.  SSDs are really a plus, then.
 
 Phil W7OX
 
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[Elecraft] K3 NAP3 glitch

2015-02-12 Thread Shel Sherman
My configuration is  a K3 to an LP-PAN converter followed by an EMU-0204
sound card.From there the digitized baseband digitized signals are sent to
my Win 7 PC and then to the NAP3 display program (WHEW!)
my problem is with the cursor for the sub-receiver on the display. I need
to contact someone who has a similar configuration to see if they are
experiencing the same problem. I would really appreciate a contact from
anyone who has this configuration to contact me.

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Re: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3

2015-02-12 Thread Eric Norris
With batteries, it is easy to let the perfect get in the way of the good (as 
someone once said).  With external LiFePO4 batteries, you can use a roll-up 
solar panel with a Genasun (or other) solar charge controller (with proper 
output for this chemistry) and use the KX3 at full power.  They are bulky but 
light.  I use a LiFePO4 external pack and the internal NiMH as a backup for my 
little expeditions, and forget about the charger.  

The advantage of external packs is you can mix and match chargers depending on 
whether you're in a hotel room, backpacking, or at a local park for the 
afternoon.  

Also, the LiFePO4 pack with solar panel and charge controller gets a lot of 
attention during Field Day, and is a great conversation starter for people too 
cool for radio (haven't you heard of the internet?).  I'm sure the PX3 will 
really wow them this year.   :-)

73

Eric WD6DBM

Jim Wilkie sant...@verizon.net wrote:

Andt, will wait for the experts to answer, but I think the nimh charger 
vs the lopo charger would be a problem.

Jim Wilkie WY4R


On 2/11/2015 2:18 PM, Henshaw, Andy wrote:
 Has anyone looked into hacking a replacement battery case for the KX3 that 
 featured LiFePo4 cells?  I've seen external LiFePo4 packs being used, but it 
 seems like an internal solution might be workable.  With a 13.2V supply 
 (four cells in series), one can run the KX3 in full-power mode.  In 
 addition, the discharge curve of LiFePo4 is much better than NiMH.

 I'm asking, because I'd like to take my KX3 on some backpacking trips and it 
 just seems wasteful (of space) and slightly awkward (for setup) to have to 
 carry an external battery pack in order to get full-power.

 It appears that AA size LiFePo4 cells are available.  So, wouldn't it be 
 feasible to arrange them in a 4S2P configuration that could replace the 
 existing battery holder?

 Andrew Henshaw

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Re: [Elecraft] Another question about the KX3

2015-02-12 Thread Wayne Burdick

On Feb 12, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Joshua Gould jg.k8...@gmail.com wrote:

 If I have a station tuned on VFO A and I want to use VFO B to monitor
 another frequency, how do I listen to the audio side of the VFO B?  I've
 tried truning on dual rx and messed with the AFX menu and have noticed no
 audio from VFO B.  Is there something that I'm missing or am I trying to
 make the radio do something that it can't do?

Hi Joshua,

Both DUAL RX and the KX3's audio effects (like simulated stereo, and pitch 
mapping) require the use of the headphone jack, i.e. either stereo headphones 
or dual external speakers. The other requirement is that VFO A and B not be 
separated by more than +/- 15 kHz. 

If DUAL RX is turned on but the SUB icon is flashing, it means the above 
requirements are not currently being met.

73,
Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] SWR

2015-02-12 Thread Wes (N7WS)

It's still an analog PA.



On 2/12/2015 2:48 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

Yup, folks (including me on a given day) still stuck with analog thinking
about what is really a digital radio. Hard thing to unlearn.

73, Guy K2AV




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Re: [Elecraft] Another question about the KX3

2015-02-12 Thread Bill Wilkins
I believe it is supposed to do dual receive, but you have to use stereo
headphones. VFO A in one ear, VFO B in the other. I have not done it and I
think something has to be enabled in the menu.
I think I remember reading it in the manual. ???
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Re: [Elecraft] SWR

2015-02-12 Thread Don Wilhelm

Wes,

An analog open loop ALC is one in which the drive is reduced in response 
to an overload condition (high SWR, power level that exceeds the maximum 
set level).  The response is applied only after the offending condition 
occurs - that is an open loop system.
With the K3, KX3 and K2 power control system being a closed loop system, 
that condition does not exist.  The overshoot possibility is detected 
early and the power is reduced accordingly without PA overshoot and the 
PA going into a distortion region.


If you have any understanding about closed loop control systems, you 
will then understand 'damping' conditions.  Underdamped systems will 
oscillate near the 'set point' while overdamped systems will never come 
up to the set point.  Critically damped systems will quickly settle to 
the set point and maintain the proper condition (power level, 
temperature, you 'name it' condition).  In the case in point, the power 
level is the 'set point' that is considered.  An open loop system is 
totally undamped and will only respond 'after the fact' to conditions 
that exceed certain thresholds.  Closed loop systems approach those 
thresholds with actions that will result in critical damping of the 
response mechanism.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/12/2015 11:05 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
I realize all of that.  But it's still an analog PA.  What is an 
analog open loop ALC?


On 2/12/2015 8:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Wes,

That is true, but the control of the drive to that analog PA is 
different than that implemented in transceiver that use analog open 
loop ALC and SWR power reduction.  The K3 (and K2 and KX3) do ALC 
differently than other transceivers.  You may find similar systems in 
commercial transceivers, but I don't think the same methods are 
employed in any other amateur transceiver.


73,
Don W3FPR


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[Elecraft] Another question about the KX3

2015-02-12 Thread Joshua Gould
If I have a station tuned on VFO A and I want to use VFO B to monitor
another frequency, how do I listen to the audio side of the VFO B?  I've
tried truning on dual rx and messed with the AFX menu and have noticed no
audio from VFO B.  Is there something that I'm missing or am I trying to
make the radio do something that it can't do?


73,
Joshua Gould
K8WXA
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Re: [Elecraft] SWR

2015-02-12 Thread Don Wilhelm

Wes,

That is true, but the control of the drive to that analog PA is 
different than that implemented in transceiver that use analog open loop 
ALC and SWR power reduction.  The K3 (and K2 and KX3) do ALC differently 
than other transceivers.  You may find similar systems in commercial 
transceivers, but I don't think the same methods are employed in any 
other amateur transceiver.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/12/2015 9:58 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:

It's still an analog PA.



On 2/12/2015 2:48 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
Yup, folks (including me on a given day) still stuck with analog 
thinking

about what is really a digital radio. Hard thing to unlearn.

73, Guy K2AV


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Re: [Elecraft] Another question about the KX3

2015-02-12 Thread Bill Wilkins
Guess I spoke out of line, didn't see the other post until until I sent mine
on its way. Sorry Wayne.
73, Bill,WD8JWJ



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Re: [Elecraft] SWR

2015-02-12 Thread Wes (N7WS)
I realize all of that.  But it's still an analog PA.  What is an analog open 
loop ALC?


On 2/12/2015 8:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Wes,

That is true, but the control of the drive to that analog PA is different than 
that implemented in transceiver that use analog open loop ALC and SWR power 
reduction.  The K3 (and K2 and KX3) do ALC differently than other 
transceivers.  You may find similar systems in commercial transceivers, but I 
don't think the same methods are employed in any other amateur transceiver.


73,
Don W3FPR



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Re: [Elecraft] SWR

2015-02-12 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Yup, folks (including me on a given day) still stuck with analog thinking
about what is really a digital radio. Hard thing to unlearn.

73, Guy K2AV

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 
e...@elecraft.com wrote:

 While the K3 will reduce power around a 2:1 SWR to protect the PAs, since
 we control power with a long hold time via the uC and DSP and not with an
 analog ALC loop, that will not make TX IMD worse.

 73,
 Eric
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  On Feb 11, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Matt VK2RQ matt.vk...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  The issue with running with an SWR of 2:1 is that many modern radios
 have fold back protection circuitry that will introduce non-linearity under
 such conditions and produce IMD products. For this reason it is usually
 better to avoid running into such mismatched loads.
 
  73,
  Matt VK2RQ
 
  On 12 Feb 2015, at 5:00 am, Ken G Kopp kengk...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  IMHO 
 
  There is far too much emphasis put on chasing  perfect SWR readings.
 
  Except in rare instances SWR's of 2:1 or less are OK in the real world,
 and
  most would be hard-pressed to tell any difference.
 
  I have a friend who recently spent several days fretting and climbing
 over
  a reading of 1.7: 1 (;-)
 
  73
 
  Ken - K0PP
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[Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A

2015-02-12 Thread Wayne Burdick
The KSYN3A synthesizer module for the K3 is a completely new design that 
improves on the original KSYN3 in several ways. All K3s shipped on or after 
January 23, 2015 already include the new synthesizer (serial number 8801 and 
later).

See feature list below. Ordering and installation instructions can be found 
here:

http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts

* * *

NOTE:  If you wish to upgrade a K3 that includes the sub receiver (KRX3), 
you'll need two (2) KSYN3A modules, since the synthesizers for both receivers 
must be of the same type.

* * *

KSYN3A FEATURES:

* FASTER CW BREAK-IN AND MORE ACCURATE CW TIMING 

A dedicated coprocessor on the module permits faster transmit/receive 
switching, improving CW timing accuracy with both internal and external keying. 
This also speeds up receive recovery between elements.

* ULTRA-LOW PHASE NOISE

The KSYN3A significantly improves the K3's already excellent receive and 
transmit phase noise characteristics at close carrier spacings. This, in turn, 
improves its close-spaced receive dynamic range, yielding even better weak 
signal detection in the presence of strong signals. In transmit mode, the 
KSYN3A keeps the signal exceptionally clean, further enhancing K3 performance 
at multi-transmitter stations, Field Day and DXpeditions. 

* 600-METER COVERAGE

The new synthesizer provides complete coverage of 600 meters -- and below. VFO 
tuning extends down to 100 kHz, with sensitivity gradually falling off below 
450 kHz. Receive sensitivity (MDS) at 475 kHz is typically -120 dBm at the RX 
ANT IN jack. Transmit output of about 1.0 mW is available for use with a 
suitable external amplifier. (Note: 600-m allocations vary by country. 
Operation on this band requires the KBPF3 and KXV3 options. For receive-only 
use, an antenna can be connected to the RX ANT IN jack on the KXV3 module. For 
transceive operation with an external amplifier, use the XVTR IN and XVTR OUT 
jacks, and set CONFIG:KXV3 to TEST.)

* EXCELLENT MECHANICAL STABILITY

The KSYN3A is virtually immune to both physical vibration and magnetic 
coupling, and operates over a very wide temperature range with no change in 
performance. K3 kit construction is simplified, as the KSYN3A requires no 
alignment of any kind.

* * *

73,
Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] SWR

2015-02-12 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
While the K3 will reduce power around a 2:1 SWR to protect the PAs, since we 
control power with a long hold time via the uC and DSP and not with an analog 
ALC loop, that will not make TX IMD worse.

73,
Eric
elecraft.com
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 On Feb 11, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Matt VK2RQ matt.vk...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The issue with running with an SWR of 2:1 is that many modern radios have 
 fold back protection circuitry that will introduce non-linearity under such 
 conditions and produce IMD products. For this reason it is usually better to 
 avoid running into such mismatched loads.
 
 73,
 Matt VK2RQ
 
 On 12 Feb 2015, at 5:00 am, Ken G Kopp kengk...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 IMHO 
 
 There is far too much emphasis put on chasing  perfect SWR readings.
 
 Except in rare instances SWR's of 2:1 or less are OK in the real world, and
 most would be hard-pressed to tell any difference.
 
 I have a friend who recently spent several days fretting and climbing over
 a reading of 1.7: 1 (;-)
 
 73
 
 Ken - K0PP
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[Elecraft] K3 and and Juma TX 500 (rx only 472 khz).

2015-02-12 Thread Viggo Magnus Nilsen
Hello owners  of the Elecraft K3

We all know the K3 cant listen on  472 khz, I am working this days to remote 
operate the K3 with the K3 0 mini, Just asking: 
I have an Juma TX 500,  it have an ''upconverter RX'' IF  to 3.500 MHz, if I 
set the KXV3 to'' test'' and route the TX500  RX signal to Transverter in  
connectorand TX on 3.472 MHzhopefully I can listen on 472 khz without 
do any damage on the KXV3 module??Sound for me the Juma TX500 will work as an 
RX transverter 472 khz ?

73' Viggo  LA9NEA
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[Elecraft] Need Aux Y Cable for K3... Where to buy?

2015-02-12 Thread Gerry Hull
Hi,

I bought one of these before, but I cannot find the vendor now.

I need to control band decoders as well as get at the TX-Inhibit Pin so I
can control my
Acom 2S1 Commutator.

Any help appreciated!

73,

Gerry Hull, W1VE   | Hancock, NH USA
AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM
http://www.yccc.org http://www.yccc.org/
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Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

2015-02-12 Thread Phil Wheeler

Rick,

Re I am of the opinion that the ability to run 
virtual machines (Parallels, Fusion, etc) on the 
Mac wound up costing us a lot of good Ham 
software. Too often the answer given for running 
ham software on the Mac is to run it under 
Parallels, etc. If that option wasn't there I bet 
more talented programmers would have jumped in and 
written Mac specific software.


I'd not blame the virtual machines too quickly. I 
run Windows 7 on both my Macs, using Bootcamp 
(which is provided as part of OS X by Apple). 
Parallels gave me problems in times past, and with 
solid-state drives in each machine, rebooting 
takes little time.


If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?) 
it's Apple for switching from Power PC CPUs to 
Intel CPUs, making it possible to run Windows, 
etc. on a Mac.


73, Phil W7OX

On 2/12/15 8:56 AM, Rick Prather wrote:

When the Memory Manager first came out it was said that it would be ported
to the Mac soon.  That was about three years ago...
Don't know what happened.

David you bring up an interesting topic.  I am of the opinion that the
ability to run virtual machines (Parallels, Fusion, etc) on the Mac wound
up costing us a lot of good Ham software.  Too often the answer given for
running ham software on the Mac is to run it under Parallels, etc.

If that option wasn't there I bet more talented programmers would have
jumped in and written Mac specific software.

Good news is that I see more and more interest in doing that with new
software such as JT-Bridge being worked on.  Also, Tom DL2RUM is working on
an update to his RUMlog called RUMlogNG.  For the DX'er RUMlog on the Mac
is as close as you can get to DXLabs on the PC.

I hope we see more in the future.  There really are a lot of Hams that run
Macs and would like to stay within OS X  for their software.

Rick
K6LE


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Re: [Elecraft] Need Aux Y Cable for K3... Where to buy?

2015-02-12 Thread Dick Dievendorff
http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm (look in the KPA500 section)

Elecraft part # E980190 Extra DB15 Y-Cable

There are other vendors. But be sure to get one that connects all 15 pins
straight through.

Some Y adapters sold for SVGA use have alternative wiring (some pins
connected to each other or not connected).

73 de Dick, K6KR

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gerry
Hull
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 9:12 AM
To: Reflector Elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] Need Aux Y Cable for K3... Where to buy?

Hi,

I bought one of these before, but I cannot find the vendor now.

I need to control band decoders as well as get at the TX-Inhibit Pin so I
can control my Acom 2S1 Commutator.

Any help appreciated!

73,

Gerry Hull, W1VE   | Hancock, NH USA
AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM http://www.yccc.org
http://www.yccc.org/ http://www.facebook.com/gerryhull
https://plus.google.com/+GerryHull/posts http://www.twitter.com/w1ve
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Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

2015-02-12 Thread Scott Manthe

That move likely saved the Mac, Phil.

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 2/12/15 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:


If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?) it's Apple for 
switching from Power PC CPUs to Intel CPUs, making it possible to run 
Windows, etc. on a Mac.


73, Phil W7OX



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Re: [Elecraft] Need Aux Y Cable for K3... Where to buy?

2015-02-12 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


From the archives:

Cables and splitters are also available from Cable Wholesale:
www.cablewholesale.com and Altex: www.altex.com

also look at breakout boards from Winford Engineeering:
http://www.winford.com/products/brksd15hd.php and Y cable:
http://www.winford.com/products/cdy15hd.php

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-02-12 12:11 PM, Gerry Hull wrote:

Hi,

I bought one of these before, but I cannot find the vendor now.

I need to control band decoders as well as get at the TX-Inhibit Pin
so I can control my Acom 2S1 Commutator.

Any help appreciated!

73,

Gerry Hull, W1VE   | Hancock, NH USA
AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM
http://www.yccc.org http://www.yccc.org/
http://www.facebook.com/gerryhull
https://plus.google.com/+GerryHull/posts http://www.twitter.com/w1ve
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[Elecraft] Program Functions

2015-02-12 Thread Mike Ortlieb
I am a newer K3 owner and would like to configure the K3 to use Heil desk mic 
on front panel
and Yamaha headset on rear panel.  Settings would include FP, RP ,H/L, bias 
on/off, compressor, mic gain. and TE.
If anyone has the command set to do this that would be great.  Please respond 
off-line. I am good in QRZ.

73
KN9P
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Re: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3

2015-02-12 Thread Bob NW8L

I believe you mean Bioenno... I can report that I'm very pleased with
their BP-120 10AH power pack ($190) which I use together with its 
companion solar panel ($99). So far so good, runs my K2 nicely, and I've

even used the built-in AC inverter to charge/run a laptop. When running
the inverter was a bit noisy on HF but winding a few turns of the laptop's 
power brick AC cord through a type 31 2.4 inch ferrite core took care of 
that. A small exhaust fan runs when the inverter is active but it's 
quiet. All in all a neatly packaged power pack, even the solar 
charge controller is built in. The 12 VDC output is rated at 5A which is 
fine for the K2/10.


Specs here:

http://www.bioennopower.com/products/120-watt-hour-power-pack

Bob NW8L



There's another company called Bionelle selling 20Ah and 30 Ah batteries at 
comparable prices. They come with PowerPole to run the radio, and a 
concentric jack for the charger. They're in Southern California.  I don't 
know anything quality of these products, but both companies offer quite 
intelligent support by telephone and/or email.



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Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

2015-02-12 Thread Walter Underwood
There is a request for K3/KX3 support in Chirp. I would start with that code 
and contribute support.

http://chirp.danplanet.com/issues/248

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Feb 12, 2015, at 1:41 AM, David Anderson gm4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 I agree, there is a gap in the market for a Macintosh memory manager for the 
 KX3/K3.
 
 Perhaps Don Agro the author of MacLoggerDX at Dog Park Software may consider 
 adding it to his excellent free MacMemoriesManager program, though I note he 
 has discontinued it, so probably not unfortunately.
 
 http://www.dogparksoftware.com
 
 OFF TOPIC ( stop now if you could care less)
 
 When I get some time I might look at how difficult it would be to do 
 something myself. I have used Xojo (formerly REALbasic) to develop cross 
 platform Macintosh, Windows and sometimes Linux software. I note that the 
 Elecraft utilities are also written on that same IDE., which makes sense if 
 you want to quickly develop for more than one platform.
 
 You generally find that software for amateur radio gets written by 
 individuals who have some piece of equipment themselves, but find there is no 
 software to do what they want available on their chosen computer platform and 
 they end up writing it themselves by necessity. 
 
 That is how I ended up writing software to support Mac HP GPS Control (all 
 the good names had gone) for the Z3801A time and frequency standard, it was 
 later expanded to include other variants of the same thing that I did not 
 have myself (much harder to debug with no hardware to test on). I was 
 surprised to find there was a small worldwide market for such a specialised 
 thing.
 
 So, in order to get someone to write this, you need to find someone that has 
 a desire to write it for themselves, namely someone with a love of Macintosh 
 computers and who possesses the KX3 and of course has the spare time to do 
 it. It is a labour of love, not a commercial endeavour. 
 
 Anyone could do it, I have no formal training in software writing, apart from 
 a week in FORTRAN with punched cards on a terminal in 1972 when I never even 
 saw the computer, only the green and white line printer error messages the 
 next day. Nearly put me off computing for life.
 
 It wasn't until the era of the personal computer that I became interested, 
 first with the Acorn Atom when I wrote a Moon Tracking program which has been 
 modified over the years from an early beginning to run on the Macintosh and 
 Windows PC.
 
 
 73
 
 David Anderson GM4JJJ 
 
 On 12 Feb 2015, at 03:03, Joshua Gould jg.k8...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 As I'm tuning around the bands I keep finding frequencies that I would like
 to place into memories with tags.  I've always found the easiest way to do
 this was via a computer.  I know that there is a memory manager for the K3
 and KX3 for Windows, but my VM is kind of squirlly so I'm looking for
 something that can manage the memory in the KX3 natively.
 
 
 73,
 Joshua Gould
 K8WXA
 EM89pn
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Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

2015-02-12 Thread Rick Prather
When the Memory Manager first came out it was said that it would be ported
to the Mac soon.  That was about three years ago...
Don't know what happened.

David you bring up an interesting topic.  I am of the opinion that the
ability to run virtual machines (Parallels, Fusion, etc) on the Mac wound
up costing us a lot of good Ham software.  Too often the answer given for
running ham software on the Mac is to run it under Parallels, etc.

If that option wasn't there I bet more talented programmers would have
jumped in and written Mac specific software.

Good news is that I see more and more interest in doing that with new
software such as JT-Bridge being worked on.  Also, Tom DL2RUM is working on
an update to his RUMlog called RUMlogNG.  For the DX'er RUMlog on the Mac
is as close as you can get to DXLabs on the PC.

I hope we see more in the future.  There really are a lot of Hams that run
Macs and would like to stay within OS X  for their software.

Rick
K6LE


On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:41 AM, David Anderson gm4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 I agree, there is a gap in the market for a Macintosh memory manager for
 the KX3/K3.

 Perhaps Don Agro the author of MacLoggerDX at Dog Park Software may
 consider adding it to his excellent free MacMemoriesManager program, though
 I note he has discontinued it, so probably not unfortunately.

 http://www.dogparksoftware.com

 OFF TOPIC ( stop now if you could care less)

 When I get some time I might look at how difficult it would be to do
 something myself. I have used Xojo (formerly REALbasic) to develop cross
 platform Macintosh, Windows and sometimes Linux software. I note that the
 Elecraft utilities are also written on that same IDE., which makes sense if
 you want to quickly develop for more than one platform.

 You generally find that software for amateur radio gets written by
 individuals who have some piece of equipment themselves, but find there is
 no software to do what they want available on their chosen computer
 platform and they end up writing it themselves by necessity.

 That is how I ended up writing software to support Mac HP GPS Control (all
 the good names had gone) for the Z3801A time and frequency standard, it was
 later expanded to include other variants of the same thing that I did not
 have myself (much harder to debug with no hardware to test on). I was
 surprised to find there was a small worldwide market for such a specialised
 thing.

 So, in order to get someone to write this, you need to find someone that
 has a desire to write it for themselves, namely someone with a love of
 Macintosh computers and who possesses the KX3 and of course has the spare
 time to do it. It is a labour of love, not a commercial endeavour.

 Anyone could do it, I have no formal training in software writing, apart
 from a week in FORTRAN with punched cards on a terminal in 1972 when I
 never even saw the computer, only the green and white line printer error
 messages the next day. Nearly put me off computing for life.

 It wasn't until the era of the personal computer that I became interested,
 first with the Acorn Atom when I wrote a Moon Tracking program which has
 been modified over the years from an early beginning to run on the
 Macintosh and Windows PC.


 73

 David Anderson GM4JJJ

  On 12 Feb 2015, at 03:03, Joshua Gould jg.k8...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  As I'm tuning around the bands I keep finding frequencies that I would
 like
  to place into memories with tags.  I've always found the easiest way to
 do
  this was via a computer.  I know that there is a memory manager for the
 K3
  and KX3 for Windows, but my VM is kind of squirlly so I'm looking for
  something that can manage the memory in the KX3 natively.
 
 
  73,
  Joshua Gould
  K8WXA
  EM89pn
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Re: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3

2015-02-12 Thread Ignacy
I was thinking about the same in order not to carry the external battery.

The only workable way IMHO would be to:
1. Remove the current battery enclosure 
2. Fit 4 polymer Li-Ion , e.g., 2.5A like at the bottom.
3. Connect directly to power inputs, perhaps with a resettable fuse
4. Charge with 2A charger to 15.5-16V (16.8V charger with 1-2 diodes). 

I would not bother fitting LiFePO3 internally as they are bigger and store
less power.

I did a similar thing with K2, and it toured the world without problems.
Great convenience of no extra battery and fast charging.

Ignacy, NO9E 

http://www.batteryspace.com/polymer-li-ion-cell-3-7v-2500-mah-875055-2c-9-25wh-5-0a-rate---un38-3-passed-0-75.aspx




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