Re: [Elecraft] For sale

2017-04-04 Thread KG4NEL
Would you be willing to sell the W1 alone?



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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to computer connection

2017-04-04 Thread Richard gillingham
I use this one.  Chep.  But it 
works.https://smile.amazon.com/Splitter-Earphone-separate-headphone-microphone/dp/B01J9RXQKK/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8=1491356475=8-20=trrs+male++to+trs+female+splitter
73Gil, W1RG


  From: David Deitrick 
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 9:06 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to computer connection
   
I have a KX3, the KX3-PCKT Cable set and a computer that does not have separate 
mic & headphone jacks, but a single combination jack for both mic & phones. Any 
hints as to how to connect the mic & phone cables from the KX3 to the computer?

Thanks

Dave
KB8XG
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to computer connection

2017-04-04 Thread Kevin - K4VD
Not a recommendation... never used one, but I think that is what these
types of adapters are used for. Somewhat popular for cell phones.

https://www.amazon.com/FolioGadgets-Headphone-Splitter-Separate-Microphone/dp/B01LRXI668/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8=1491356396=8-5=microphone+to+headphone+adapter



On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 9:06 PM, David Deitrick  wrote:

> I have a KX3, the KX3-PCKT Cable set and a computer that does not have
> separate mic & headphone jacks, but a single combination jack for both mic
> & phones. Any hints as to how to connect the mic & phone cables from the
> KX3 to the computer?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
> KB8XG
> dhdeitr...@mac.com
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to computer connection

2017-04-04 Thread rich hurd WC3T
Would this work, I wonder?

https://www.amazon.com/slp/headphone-mic-splitter/ceuun2nq7wpk4e9

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 9:06 PM, David Deitrick  wrote:

> I have a KX3, the KX3-PCKT Cable set and a computer that does not have
> separate mic & headphone jacks, but a single combination jack for both mic
> & phones. Any hints as to how to connect the mic & phone cables from the
> KX3 to the computer?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
> KB8XG
> dhdeitr...@mac.com
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[Elecraft] KX3 to computer connection

2017-04-04 Thread David Deitrick
I have a KX3, the KX3-PCKT Cable set and a computer that does not have separate 
mic & headphone jacks, but a single combination jack for both mic & phones. Any 
hints as to how to connect the mic & phone cables from the KX3 to the computer?

Thanks

Dave
KB8XG
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 loss of rx signal

2017-04-04 Thread Jim Brown

On Tue,4/4/2017 2:19 PM, donov...@starpower.net wrote:

I'm sure the Amphenol connectors are very high quality and perhaps
not as leaky and unreliable as generic (or worn) connectors


The problem with that is that it assumes that the Amphenol connector you 
properly installed is mated to another Amphenol connector, properly 
installed.


A few years ago, I added stubs to a couple of antennas for harmonic 
suppression, carefully placing them for optimum suppression, but didn't 
hear nearly as much suppression as I thought I should. One of the causes 
was rectification and re-radiation, as you had posted (thank you VERY 
much for that), but the other cause was leakage in the cabling that made 
up my antenna switching, and in the switching itself. Harmonic 
suppression can be a big deal if you're trying work SO2R on 40/80 and 
40/20.


The next summer, I bought a spool of BuryFlex and a bag of 83-1SPs and 
replaced every piece of coax in that system. I also replaced the 6x2 
Array Solutions switch with the newest 4O3A 8x2 switch. Once that work 
was complete, harmonic suppression provided by the stubs was 
significantly better, and what I heard was down to the "gurgly" sounding 
rectification you described.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 loss of rx signal

2017-04-04 Thread Barry

Frank,
I have had intermittent problems with BNC and N connectors. It was a 
really subtle thing. The connectors were for 75 Ohm connection vice 50 
Ohms. That meant the center pin was thinner which caused intermittent 
connections. After that, I've always checked to see that I didn't make 
that mistake again.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

-- Original Message --
From: donov...@starpower.net
To: "Elecraft Reflector" 
Sent: 4/4/2017 5:19:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 loss of rx signal


Hi Ron,


If you've ever used BNC connectors in a lab environment -- especially
above about 30 MHz -- you soon become aware of their shortcomings
especially if they don't fit snugly. I've never noticed BNC problems
at HF frequencies except for worn (or cheaply made) connectors that
fit very loosely.


I'm sure the Amphenol connectors are very high quality and perhaps
not as leaky and unreliable as generic (or worn) connectors


73
Frank
W3LPL

- Original Message -

From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" 
To: donov...@starpower.net, "Elecraft Reflector" 


Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 9:09:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 loss of rx signal

Good point Frank.

Amphenol specs leakage for their BNC connectors at 3GHz where they 
claim 55
dB. By comparison they claim 90 dB at 3 GHz for their type N 
connectors.


I've never felt the need for the additional shielding in the shack.

Of course these are Amphenol specs. Any other brand may have any other 
level
of leakage. As many have noted, the extra price of a good connector is 
saved

many times over chasing bad cable connections later.

BNC specs
http://www.amphenolrf.com/connectors/bnc.html

N specs:
http://www.amphenolrf.com/connectors/n-type.html

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
donov...@starpower.net
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 9:38 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 loss of rx signal

BNC connectors rate high for convenience and low for performance, 
especially

leakage performance.


BNC connector leakage typicallymeasures in the range from -25 to
-50 dB vs -60 to -90 dB for N connectors. Any BNC connector
that does not fit snugly should replaced and discarded


73
Frank
W3LPL


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 loss of rx signal

2017-04-04 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft

I've pretty much standardized on Amphenol connectors.
It's worth paying a little more and having less headaches.


  From: Ron D'Eau Claire 
 To: donov...@starpower.net; 'Elecraft Reflector'  
 Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 5:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 loss of rx signal
   
Good point Frank. 

Amphenol specs leakage for their BNC connectors at 3GHz where they claim 55
dB. By comparison they claim 90 dB at 3 GHz for their type N connectors.

I've never felt the need for the additional shielding in the shack. 

Of course these are Amphenol specs. Any other brand may have any other level
of leakage. As many have noted, the extra price of a good connector is saved
many times over chasing bad cable connections later. 

BNC specs
http://www.amphenolrf.com/connectors/bnc.html

N specs:
http://www.amphenolrf.com/connectors/n-type.html

73, Ron AC7AC


   
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 loss of rx signal

2017-04-04 Thread David Olean
I would echo Frank's comments. I learned long ago that you never measure 
antenna gain with any BNC connectors in the signal path. Each joint 
would introduce intermittent loss depending on how much the cable 
moved.  They are not very stable at VHF frequencies. They sure are 
convenient though for more simple tasks.


Dave K1WHS


On 4/4/2017 9:19 PM, donov...@starpower.net wrote:

Hi Ron,


If you've ever used BNC connectors in a lab environment -- especially
above about 30 MHz -- you soon become aware of their shortcomings
especially if they don't fit snugly. I've never noticed BNC problems
at HF frequencies except for worn (or cheaply made) connectors that
fit very loosely.


I'm sure the Amphenol connectors are very high quality and perhaps
not as leaky and unreliable as generic (or worn) connectors


73
Frank
W3LPL

- Original Message -

From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" 
To: donov...@starpower.net, "Elecraft Reflector" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 9:09:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 loss of rx signal

Good point Frank.

Amphenol specs leakage for their BNC connectors at 3GHz where they claim 55
dB. By comparison they claim 90 dB at 3 GHz for their type N connectors.

I've never felt the need for the additional shielding in the shack.

Of course these are Amphenol specs. Any other brand may have any other level
of leakage. As many have noted, the extra price of a good connector is saved
many times over chasing bad cable connections later.

BNC specs
http://www.amphenolrf.com/connectors/bnc.html

N specs:
http://www.amphenolrf.com/connectors/n-type.html

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
donov...@starpower.net
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 9:38 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 loss of rx signal

BNC connectors rate high for convenience and low for performance, especially
leakage performance.


BNC connector leakage typicallymeasures in the range from -25 to
-50 dB vs -60 to -90 dB for N connectors. Any BNC connector
that does not fit snugly should replaced and discarded


73
Frank
W3LPL


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 loss of rx signal

2017-04-04 Thread donovanf
Hi Ron, 


If you've ever used BNC connectors in a lab environment -- especially 
above about 30 MHz -- you soon become aware of their shortcomings 
especially if they don't fit snugly. I've never noticed BNC problems 
at HF frequencies except for worn (or cheaply made) connectors that 
fit very loosely. 


I'm sure the Amphenol connectors are very high quality and perhaps 
not as leaky and unreliable as generic (or worn) connectors 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

- Original Message -

From: "Ron D'Eau Claire"  
To: donov...@starpower.net, "Elecraft Reflector"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 9:09:32 PM 
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 loss of rx signal 

Good point Frank. 

Amphenol specs leakage for their BNC connectors at 3GHz where they claim 55 
dB. By comparison they claim 90 dB at 3 GHz for their type N connectors. 

I've never felt the need for the additional shielding in the shack. 

Of course these are Amphenol specs. Any other brand may have any other level 
of leakage. As many have noted, the extra price of a good connector is saved 
many times over chasing bad cable connections later. 

BNC specs 
http://www.amphenolrf.com/connectors/bnc.html 

N specs: 
http://www.amphenolrf.com/connectors/n-type.html 

73, Ron AC7AC 

-Original Message- 
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
donov...@starpower.net 
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 9:38 PM 
To: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 loss of rx signal 

BNC connectors rate high for convenience and low for performance, especially 
leakage performance. 


BNC connector leakage typicallymeasures in the range from -25 to 
-50 dB vs -60 to -90 dB for N connectors. Any BNC connector 
that does not fit snugly should replaced and discarded 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 IF Amp issue and loking for advice

2017-04-04 Thread Cameron Francey
oops, forgot to reply all



From: Cameron Francey 
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 2:16 PM
To: donw...@embarqmail.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 IF Amp issue and loking for advice


Hi Don,

I suspected I was most likely a case of bad luck with a component so thanks for 
confirming that.  Yes, I was thinking ahead on how I would be removing it.  I 
thought about trying that approach and crushing it with pliers to get at each 
pin.  Being clear on three sides will make that a little easier.

De-solder braid and a de-soldering pump have been my tools of choice for the 
past 30 years.. I'll be sure to be really careful, so thanks for also 
mentioning that point.


I'll contact Elecraft and ask for the part.


thanks,

Cameron


PS, that was a fast response to my question, very much appreciated!

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 loss of rx signal

2017-04-04 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Good point Frank. 

Amphenol specs leakage for their BNC connectors at 3GHz where they claim 55
dB. By comparison they claim 90 dB at 3 GHz for their type N connectors.

I've never felt the need for the additional shielding in the shack. 

Of course these are Amphenol specs. Any other brand may have any other level
of leakage. As many have noted, the extra price of a good connector is saved
many times over chasing bad cable connections later. 

BNC specs
http://www.amphenolrf.com/connectors/bnc.html

N specs:
http://www.amphenolrf.com/connectors/n-type.html

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
donov...@starpower.net
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 9:38 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 loss of rx signal

BNC connectors rate high for convenience and low for performance, especially
leakage performance. 


BNC connector leakage typicallymeasures in the range from -25 to 
-50 dB vs -60 to -90 dB for N connectors. Any BNC connector 
that does not fit snugly should replaced and discarded 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 IF Amp issue and loking for advice

2017-04-04 Thread Don Wilhelm

Cameron,

There is nothing in that circuit that would have zapped L34.  I would 
just replace the inductor.


If you do not have good de-soldering equipment, L34 may be difficult to 
remove.  I suggest destroying the present inductor if you have to, and 
take it out one pin at a time (get the shield off first, then work on 
the inductor).
Be careful not to damage the thru-plated holes in the RF Board, or you 
will be in for a circuit re-wiring task.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/4/2017 4:49 PM, Cameron Francey wrote:





Should I just request L34, or is there something else I may need from others 
past experiences?


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[Elecraft] Elecraft K2 IF Amp issue and loking for advice

2017-04-04 Thread Cameron Francey

Hi,

I was re-adjusting the IF amp peak on my K2, however (and I do remember having 
an issue at build time) there is no peak in the whole range of the inductor can.

Doing some investigation along with the circuit digram I think I have found my 
problem.


Across pins 1 and 8 of U12 I'm seeing the value of R111, which is about 5k5, 
but thats also in parallel with the winding of L34, so I'd have expected that 
to have measured just a few ohms or less.

So seems that my issue is an open circuit L34.  The only reason I noticed this 
was because side by side with my more recent K2 its not quite as sensitive.  On 
the plus side it does have a much lower noise floor.


So, my question is based around if anything would cause L34 to go open circuit? 
 I cant see anything in the circuit that might have caused excessive current or 
something similar.  All the solder work in that whole area is neat, and I 
didn't over-do the heat when installing it and the components all appear to be 
in the correct places.

It had worked, as I remember finding the peak at the time I built it, but then 
suddenly it wouldn't re-peak after that, but at the time I didn't think much 
more of it.


Should I just request L34, or is there something else I may need from others 
past experiences?



thanks in advance,

Cameron - AF7DK/GM7LQR



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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

2017-04-04 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
K2 #1239 is green at night when the internal light is on, more gray than
green in daylight. But it definitely is not amber.

I suspect that is a function of the LED's that are lighting the screen,
which appears to be lit from the side, not the back.

73, Guy K2AV

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Fred Jensen  wrote:

> The main display on my K2, S/N 4398, is VB on NVB [Very Black on Not Very
> Black].  Works great in sunlight.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
> Sparks NV USA
> Washoe County DM09dn
>
> On 4/4/2017 6:12 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
>
>> HI thought they were ALL amber ???
>>
>> What color would you call the stock display, orangey-yellow maybe??
>>
>> Not trying to be funny,( well, maybe just a tad) but what am I missing
>> here?
>>
>> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 For Sale

2017-04-04 Thread Carl Jón Denbow
Addendum: I might consider a trade for a Flex 6500, plus appropriate cash. -- 
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> On Apr 3, 2017, at 2:45 PM, Carl Jón Denbow  wrote:
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> REPOSTING UPDATED SALE LISTING:
> 
> I have many Elecraft products, including a K3s, so I find the following 
> excess to my needs and, therefore, on the sale block.
> Elecraft K3-100, SN: 0676, upgraded to many of features of the K3s. Contains 
> filters -- KFL3A-250, KFL3A-6K, AND KFL3A-2.8K, is in good condition and 
> fully functional. When I bought this rig both side panels were heavily 
> scratched. I replaced the panels as well as most screws with stainless steel 
> screws, and the rig is now a 9 out 10 cosmetically. Rig was back at the 
> factory last November (11/17/2016 invoice date) and at that time was upgraded 
> with KIO3B, KXV3B, and KSYN3A and the previously mentioned 2.8 filter. Also a 
> number of updates were performed at that time so that when it left factory it 
> was certified to "meet or exceed all factory specifications." [Cost of 
> upgrades: $1,343.55.] 
> In addition to the above, sold with following extra features:
> KAT3A Auto Tuner
> KPA100 100 watt amplifier module
> KFL3A-250Hz KDVR Digital Recorder 
> Additional photos available upon request.
> Your Price: $2,500, shipped your CONUS QTH.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ===
> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
> 17 Coventry Lane
> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
> 
> c...@n8vz.com
> www.n8vz.com
> EM89wh
> 
> IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070
> 
> PSK and JT65 Forever!
> ===
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2017, at 9:33 PM, Carl Jón Denbow  wrote:
>> 
>> For those who don't care to go to the QTH.com website, here's the text to my 
>> ad:
>> 
>> Elecraft K3 100 Watt HF transceiver SN: 06xx. Contains filters -- KFL3A-250, 
>> KFL3A-6K, AND KFL3A-2.8K, is in good condition and fully functional. When I 
>> bought this rig, both side panels were heavily scratched. I replaced the 
>> panels as well as most screws with stainless steel screws, and the rig is 
>> now a 9 out 10 cosmetically, with only a few very small scratches. Rig was 
>> back at the factory last November (11/17/2016 invoice date) and at that time 
>> was upgraded with KIO3B, KXV3B, and KSYN3A and the previously mentioned 2.8 
>> filter. Also a number of updates were performed at that time so that when it 
>> left factory it was certified to "meet or exceed all factory 
>> specifications." [Cost of upgrades: $1,343.55.] 
>> In addition to the above, sold with following extra features:
>> KAT3A Auto Tuner
>> KPA100 100 watt amplifier module
>> KFL3A-250Hz KDVR Digital Recorder 
>> Additional photos available upon request.
>> Your Price: $2,500, shipped your CONUS QTH.
>> Greatly prefer PayPal for payment.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ===
>> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
>> 17 Coventry Lane
>> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>> 
>> c...@n8vz.com
>> www.n8vz.com
>> EM89wh
>> 
>> IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070
>> 
>> PSK and JT65 Forever!
>> ===
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 1:23 AM, Carl Jón Denbow  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gentlemen and Ladies:  I have both a K3 and K3s, as well as a bunch of
>>> other
>>> Elecraft stuff.  However, I’ve decided to sell my K3.  It is an early
>>> serial
>>> number (676) that I bought used, but it has been back to factory a few
>>> months ago for many upgrades and updates.  You can see the details here:
>>> https://swap.qth.com/search-results.php?keywords=n8vz
>>> 
>>> =call
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As stated in the QTH.com classified, I greatly prefer payment via PayPal.
>>> Thanks for looking.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Carl
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ==
>>> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
>>> 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>>> c...@n8vz.com 
>>> www.n8vz.com 
>>> 
>>> EM89wh
>>> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070
>>> 
>>> PSK and JT65 Forever!
>>> ==
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 For Sale

2017-04-04 Thread Carl Jón Denbow
Addendum: I might consider a trade for a Flex 6500, plus appropriate cash. -- 
CJD

Sent from my iPhone
===
Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
17 Coventry Lane
Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
 
c...@n8vz.com
www.n8vz.com
EM89wh
 
IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070
 
PSK and JT65 Forever!
===


Sent from my iPhone
===
Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
17 Coventry Lane
Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
 
c...@n8vz.com
www.n8vz.com
EM89wh
 
IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070
 
PSK and JT65 Forever!
===
> On Apr 3, 2017, at 2:45 PM, Carl Jón Denbow  wrote:
> 
> REPOSTING UPDATED SALE LISTING:
> 
> I have many Elecraft products, including a K3s, so I find the following 
> excess to my needs and, therefore, on the sale block.
> Elecraft K3-100, SN: 0676, upgraded to many of features of the K3s. Contains 
> filters -- KFL3A-250, KFL3A-6K, AND KFL3A-2.8K, is in good condition and 
> fully functional. When I bought this rig both side panels were heavily 
> scratched. I replaced the panels as well as most screws with stainless steel 
> screws, and the rig is now a 9 out 10 cosmetically. Rig was back at the 
> factory last November (11/17/2016 invoice date) and at that time was upgraded 
> with KIO3B, KXV3B, and KSYN3A and the previously mentioned 2.8 filter. Also a 
> number of updates were performed at that time so that when it left factory it 
> was certified to "meet or exceed all factory specifications." [Cost of 
> upgrades: $1,343.55.] 
> In addition to the above, sold with following extra features:
> KAT3A Auto Tuner
> KPA100 100 watt amplifier module
> KFL3A-250Hz KDVR Digital Recorder 
> Additional photos available upon request.
> Your Price: $2,500, shipped your CONUS QTH.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ===
> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
> 17 Coventry Lane
> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
> 
> c...@n8vz.com
> www.n8vz.com
> EM89wh
> 
> IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070
> 
> PSK and JT65 Forever!
> ===
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2017, at 9:33 PM, Carl Jón Denbow  wrote:
>> 
>> For those who don't care to go to the QTH.com website, here's the text to my 
>> ad:
>> 
>> Elecraft K3 100 Watt HF transceiver SN: 06xx. Contains filters -- KFL3A-250, 
>> KFL3A-6K, AND KFL3A-2.8K, is in good condition and fully functional. When I 
>> bought this rig, both side panels were heavily scratched. I replaced the 
>> panels as well as most screws with stainless steel screws, and the rig is 
>> now a 9 out 10 cosmetically, with only a few very small scratches. Rig was 
>> back at the factory last November (11/17/2016 invoice date) and at that time 
>> was upgraded with KIO3B, KXV3B, and KSYN3A and the previously mentioned 2.8 
>> filter. Also a number of updates were performed at that time so that when it 
>> left factory it was certified to "meet or exceed all factory 
>> specifications." [Cost of upgrades: $1,343.55.] 
>> In addition to the above, sold with following extra features:
>> KAT3A Auto Tuner
>> KPA100 100 watt amplifier module
>> KFL3A-250Hz KDVR Digital Recorder 
>> Additional photos available upon request.
>> Your Price: $2,500, shipped your CONUS QTH.
>> Greatly prefer PayPal for payment.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ===
>> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
>> 17 Coventry Lane
>> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>> 
>> c...@n8vz.com
>> www.n8vz.com
>> EM89wh
>> 
>> IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070
>> 
>> PSK and JT65 Forever!
>> ===
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 1:23 AM, Carl Jón Denbow  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gentlemen and Ladies:  I have both a K3 and K3s, as well as a bunch of
>>> other
>>> Elecraft stuff.  However, I’ve decided to sell my K3.  It is an early
>>> serial
>>> number (676) that I bought used, but it has been back to factory a few
>>> months ago for many upgrades and updates.  You can see the details here:
>>> https://swap.qth.com/search-results.php?keywords=n8vz
>>> 
>>> =call
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As stated in the QTH.com classified, I greatly prefer payment via PayPal.
>>> Thanks for looking.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Carl
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ==
>>> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
>>> 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>>> c...@n8vz.com 
>>> www.n8vz.com 
>>> 
>>> EM89wh
>>> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070
>>> 
>>> PSK and JT65 Forever!
>>> ==
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

2017-04-04 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft


How did you get the Amber display?



  From: Tom McCulloch 
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 9:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?
   
Amber here..s/n 1103

Tom

wb2qdg


   
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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

2017-04-04 Thread Fred Jensen
The main display on my K2, S/N 4398, is VB on NVB [Very Black on Not 
Very Black].  Works great in sunlight.


73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 4/4/2017 6:12 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

HI thought they were ALL amber ???

What color would you call the stock display, orangey-yellow maybe??

Not trying to be funny,( well, maybe just a tad) but what am I missing here?

73, Charlie k3ICH




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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Re: Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

2017-04-04 Thread Wes Stewart

I just saw the 4 X 6 antenna on the next to last page.

Thanks for your nice comments.

On 4/4/2017 8:28 AM, Dave B via Elecraft wrote:


Oh they did use some big antennas too, for EME and MS etc.

Nice construction of your projects Wes.  Very nice indeed.

73.

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Re: [Elecraft] Can Anyone recommended a great QRP Antenna and Antenna Pole for KX3

2017-04-04 Thread Bill Breeden


I can't say enough good things about a CrankIR vertical either. Have 
used mine for Field Day and two NPOTA activations and it worked great.  
Even had it installed over my permanent radial field for about a month 
while my SteppIR vertical was being repaired after some wind damage.


73,

Bill - NA5DX

On 4/4/2017 10:09 AM, Brian Pietrzyk wrote:

If you want to be sure you'll have a successful outing with the declining band 
conditions you could consider a crankIR.
  
Its not the lightest or easiest to deploy but it could very well be the best performing portable self supporting antenna out there. Once set up its fully resonant on your band of choice and easy to change bands.  I stripped mine down for 40-6m at 10lbs and fit in a charter sized suite case on a recent trip to HI9 land.


With the kx3 running 10w I rarely had to call CQ more then 3 times and was 
creating pileups. Its large footprint does attract a bit of attention on the 
beach and most folks thought I was setting up a deep sea fishing rod (its a 
real chick magnet lol).  Theres definitely no performance compromise with this 
portable antenna if you can tolerate the extra weight and setup time.

I also tried the random wire in a tree one afternoon there which worked 
surprisingly well too but had to work a lot harder for contacts. This was all 
SSB.

Brian ve3bwp

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Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 16:25:40 -0400
From: Michael Aust 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Can Anyone recommended a great QRP Antenna and
AntennaPole for KX3
Message-ID: <15b30582867-102e-8...@webprd-a105.mail.aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Can Anyone recommended a great QRP Antenna for KX3

Going to Hawaii with KX3 from high rise Hotels and some Sandy Beaches
that is lightweight, easy to deploy, carry on Airlines or packed into luggage.

Any Portable Poles to recommend for End Fed Antenna's

My MFJ-1920 pole is 3.8ft when collapsed and extends to 33 feet
but when Island Hopping, 3.8ft does not qualify as a Carry On due to it's length
So hit with extra baggage fee's

Maybe a Fishing pole that is on sections that not as long, when collapsed
would be the Answer, some 14ft to 17 feet Crappie Fishing poles only
breakdown to 46inches to 48inches, about the collapsed length of my
MFJ-1910 fiberglass telescopic mast

Mike
WB6DJI

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[Elecraft] Can Anyone recommended a great QRP

2017-04-04 Thread j...@kk9a.com
A resonant vertical is a good portable antenna if you have a decent ground
system.  It is certainly much better than the popular 43 foot vertical.
However it will not typically perform the way yours did on the beach where
the pseudo-brewster angle radiation is filled out.

John KK9A

From: VE3BWP
Tue Apr 4 10:58:40 EDT 201


Its not the lightest or easiest to deploy but it could very well be the
best performing portable self supporting antenna out there. Once set up
its fully resonant on your band of choice and easy to change bands.  I
stripped mine down for 40-6m at 10lbs and fit in a charter sized suite
case on a recent trip to HI9 land.

With the kx3 running 10w I rarely had to call CQ more then 3 times and was
creating pileups. Its large footprint does attract a bit of attention on
the beach and most folks thought I was setting up a deep sea fishing rod
(its a real chick magnet lol).  Theres definitely no performance
compromise with this portable antenna if you can tolerate the extra weight
and setup time.

I also tried the random wire in a tree one afternoon there which worked
surprisingly well too but had to work a lot harder for contacts. This was
all SSB.

Brian ve3bwp

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 155, Issue 51

2017-04-04 Thread Dave Corsello

Having the KX2 Utility on Android connected via OTG would also be great.

On 3/30/2017 11:14 PM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:

Message: 11
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 21:14:49 -0400
From: Bob Witmer
To:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Future KX3/KX2 accessories?
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=us-ascii

First on my list would be a version of the KX3 Utility and any required 
associated interface HW, that could directly interface with IOS devices.

Bob W3RW


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[Elecraft] K3S Macro Settings

2017-04-04 Thread Gary Ferdinand
Is it possible to set M1 and M2 to macros?   I seem to be able to set M3 and M4 
OK to modify TX EQ or FLAT.  

I’ve not been able to assign to M1 or M2 any macro.  On the K3 I assigned them 
to a sequence of DN7;DN7; … DN7  or the UP7 equivalent so that with those two  
buttons I could easily QSY up or down 50 kHz.  The K3S responds with a “SET” 
response, but the execution does not work.

The macros are a simple sequence of DN7;DN7;DN7 repeated ten times.

I figure I’m missing something.  Those macros worked FB on the K3.  They work 
FB from the K3 Utility, current version.  They can be set FB into the K3S.  But 
the execution is ignored.

All help appreciated.

73/Gary W2CS



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[Elecraft] [OT] Re: Future KX3/KX2 accessories?

2017-04-04 Thread Dave B via Elecraft
On 04/04/17 14:14, Wes Stewart wrote:

> From: Wes Stewart 
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Future KX3/KX2 accessories?
> Message-ID: <961ff01e-f655-7a0a-f921-924844e54...@triconet.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> If they ran a decent antenna they wouldn't need that power.  Interesting 
> project 
> though.
>
> Here's a couple of amps I built years ago. http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html
>
> On 4/3/2017 6:03 AM, Dave B via Elecraft wrote:
>> On 02/04/17 01:03,elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net  wrote:
>>> For real 2m kW:http://www.kl7uw.com/2m-8877.htm  
>> Doesn?t even come close...
>>
>> http://www.qsl.net/yu1aw/Misc/qro%20pa%20gu36b-1.pdf
>>
>> QRO PA 144 MHz 20kW GU36B-1 v2
>>
>>
>> Dave G0WBX.
Oh they did use some big antennas too, for EME and MS etc.  If you read
the article, it sort of all started with the tube...
(If you look in the background of some of the pictures, you can see
other amps and stuff they have built in the past.)

A bit like the guy who built the original Jaguar V12 powered trike, he
had the engine, people said it was impossible to do,  the rest is
history as there are several about now around the world, just google
"jaguar v12 trike".

Nice construction of your projects Wes.  Very nice indeed.

73.

Dave G0WBX.

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[Elecraft] Can Anyone recommended a great QRP Antenna and Antenna Pole for KX3

2017-04-04 Thread Brian Pietrzyk
If you want to be sure you'll have a successful outing with the declining band 
conditions you could consider a crankIR.
 
Its not the lightest or easiest to deploy but it could very well be the best 
performing portable self supporting antenna out there. Once set up its fully 
resonant on your band of choice and easy to change bands.  I stripped mine down 
for 40-6m at 10lbs and fit in a charter sized suite case on a recent trip to 
HI9 land. 

With the kx3 running 10w I rarely had to call CQ more then 3 times and was 
creating pileups. Its large footprint does attract a bit of attention on the 
beach and most folks thought I was setting up a deep sea fishing rod (its a 
real chick magnet lol).  Theres definitely no performance compromise with this 
portable antenna if you can tolerate the extra weight and setup time.

I also tried the random wire in a tree one afternoon there which worked 
surprisingly well too but had to work a lot harder for contacts. This was all 
SSB. 

Brian ve3bwp

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Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 16:25:40 -0400
From: Michael Aust 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Can Anyone recommended a great QRP Antenna and
   AntennaPole for KX3
Message-ID: <15b30582867-102e-8...@webprd-a105.mail.aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Can Anyone recommended a great QRP Antenna for KX3 

Going to Hawaii with KX3 from high rise Hotels and some Sandy Beaches
that is lightweight, easy to deploy, carry on Airlines or packed into luggage.

Any Portable Poles to recommend for End Fed Antenna's

My MFJ-1920 pole is 3.8ft when collapsed and extends to 33 feet
but when Island Hopping, 3.8ft does not qualify as a Carry On due to it's length
So hit with extra baggage fee's 

Maybe a Fishing pole that is on sections that not as long, when collapsed 
would be the Answer, some 14ft to 17 feet Crappie Fishing poles only 
breakdown to 46inches to 48inches, about the collapsed length of my 
MFJ-1910 fiberglass telescopic mast 

Mike
WB6DJI

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[Elecraft] (no subject)

2017-04-04 Thread Brian Pietrzyk
If you want to be sure you'll have a successful outing with the declining band 
conditions you could consider a crankIR.
 
Its not the lightest or easiest to deploy but it could very well be the best 
performing portable self supporting antenna out there. Once set up its fully 
resonant on your band of choice and easy to change bands.  I stripped mine down 
for 40-6m at 10lbs and fit in a charter sized suite case on a recent trip to 
HI9 land. 

With the kx3 running 10w I rarely had to call CQ more then 3 times and was 
creating pileups. Its large footprint does attract a bit of attention on the 
beach and most folks thought I was setting up a deep sea fishing rod (its a 
real chick magnet lol).  Theres definitely no performance compromise with this 
portable antenna if you can tolerate the extra weight and setup time.

I also tried the random wire in a tree one afternoon there which worked 
surprisingly well too but had to work a lot harder for contacts. This was all 
SSB. 

Brian ve3bwp

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Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 16:25:40 -0400
From: Michael Aust 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Can Anyone recommended a great QRP Antenna and
   AntennaPole for KX3
Message-ID: <15b30582867-102e-8...@webprd-a105.mail.aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Can Anyone recommended a great QRP Antenna for KX3 

Going to Hawaii with KX3 from high rise Hotels and some Sandy Beaches
that is lightweight, easy to deploy, carry on Airlines or packed into luggage.

Any Portable Poles to recommend for End Fed Antenna's

My MFJ-1920 pole is 3.8ft when collapsed and extends to 33 feet
but when Island Hopping, 3.8ft does not qualify as a Carry On due to it's length
So hit with extra baggage fee's 

Maybe a Fishing pole that is on sections that not as long, when collapsed 
would be the Answer, some 14ft to 17 feet Crappie Fishing poles only 
breakdown to 46inches to 48inches, about the collapsed length of my 
MFJ-1910 fiberglass telescopic mast 

Mike
WB6DJI

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[Elecraft] [K3] WTB: KAT500

2017-04-04 Thread Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS
Hello, 

thank you very much for forwarded link with selling the KAT500 arrived from
one of the subscriber over here on list. Unfortunately CONUS only again. So
no deal. Still looking for this used unit to complete my station. Maybe if
someone in EU is thinking about selling it as "no more used" or so... 

Thank you for tips or offers. 

73 - Petr, OK1RP 




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Re: [Elecraft] Mounting a KX3+PX3 ?

2017-04-04 Thread Kevin - K4VD
https://gemsproducts.com/

:)

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:19 AM, KD6QZX  wrote:

> Go to gemproducts.com I have mounts for just this need!   73 Scott AK6Q
>
>
> On Thursday, March 30, 2017 11:52 AM, Colin VE3MSC [via Elecraft] <
> ml-node+s365791n7628702...@n2.nabble.com> wrote:
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>   Any recommendations on how to mount a KX3+PX3 ?  I want to try it out
> with
> my microwave setup, and would like to mount them on flat board or aluminum
> base, and was wondering what people have done for mounting brackets?
>
> Thanks in advance and 73,
>
> Colin VE3MSC
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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

2017-04-04 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH
Oh man, talk about putting one’s foot in one’s mouth!!

I guess I WAS missing a yuge point.

I immediately thought of the K3, K3S, KX2 & KX3.

I completely missed the fact you were asking about the K2, which of course, 
DOES have a green display.

 

Very sorry for all the wasted electrons….

 

Charlie T.

 

 

 

 

From: Bert Craig [mailto:wa...@arrl.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 9:25 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Charlie T, K3ICH 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

 

My K2/100 display is green, much more pleasing to the eye and easier to look at 
for longer periods of time. I'd love to see the option of a green display 
offered for the K3s. As always, take care es... 

Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI

Sent from my android device.

-Original Message-
From: "Charlie T, K3ICH"  >
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net  
Sent: Tue, 04 Apr 2017 9:20
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

HI thought they were ALL amber ??? 

What color would you call the stock display, orangey-yellow maybe?? 

Not trying to be funny,( well, maybe just a tad) but what am I missing here? 

73, Charlie k3ICH 




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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

2017-04-04 Thread Tom McCulloch

Amber here..s/n 1103

Tom

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On 4/4/2017 9:33 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

Mine is without a doubt "green" ...

On Apr 4, 2017 7:26 AM, "Bert Craig"  wrote:

My K2/100 display is green, much more pleasing to the eye and easier to
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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

2017-04-04 Thread Ken G Kopp
Mine is without a doubt "green" ...

On Apr 4, 2017 7:26 AM, "Bert Craig"  wrote:

My K2/100 display is green, much more pleasing to the eye and easier to
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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

2017-04-04 Thread Bert Craig
My K2/100 display is green, much more pleasing to the eye and easier to look at 
for longer periods of time. I'd love to see the option of a green display 
offered for the K3s. As always, take care es... 

Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI

Sent from my android device.

-Original Message-
From: "Charlie T, K3ICH" 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, 04 Apr 2017 9:20
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

HI thought they were ALL amber ???

What color would you call the stock display, orangey-yellow maybe??

Not trying to be funny,( well, maybe just a tad) but what am I missing here?

73, Charlie k3ICH



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Yingst via Elecraft
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 12:31 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

I saw a picture wher somone had an amber display on their K2.
I would assume it's just a matter of changing out the led backlight.
So the question is where can I get an Amber backlight panel?Or do I just
make my own?
Thank you
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Re: [Elecraft] New KX products

2017-04-04 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH
Add a hundred watt amp and you'd be very close to an IC-7300.

Chas

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Basilier
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:45 AM
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Subject: [Elecraft] New KX products

Would it not make sense to produce a KX3S that combines the KX3 with the
PX3, doubles the output power, and provides a full complement of I/O
connectors, and a new powerful Li-based battery?



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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

2017-04-04 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH
HI thought they were ALL amber ???

What color would you call the stock display, orangey-yellow maybe??

Not trying to be funny,( well, maybe just a tad) but what am I missing here?

73, Charlie k3ICH



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Yingst via Elecraft
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 12:31 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

I saw a picture wher somone had an amber display on their K2.
I would assume it's just a matter of changing out the led backlight.
So the question is where can I get an Amber backlight panel?Or do I just
make my own?
Thank you
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Re: [Elecraft] Mounting a KX3+PX3 ?

2017-04-04 Thread David Anderson via Elecraft
That will be https://gemsproducts.com/ not gemproducts.com which is something 
totally unrelated :-)

73 from David GM4JJJ



> On 4 Apr 2017, at 05:19, KD6QZX  wrote:
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> Go to gemproducts.com I have mounts for just this need!   73 Scott AK6Q
> 
> 
>On Thursday, March 30, 2017 11:52 AM, Colin VE3MSC [via Elecraft] 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  Any recommendations on how to mount a KX3+PX3 ?  I want to try it out with
> my microwave setup, and would like to mount them on flat board or aluminum
> base, and was wondering what people have done for mounting brackets?
> 
> Thanks in advance and 73,
> 
> Colin VE3MSC
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Re: reply to digest

2017-04-04 Thread Alan. G4GNX
Surely it would be better if this thread was culled out altogether.  It has 
nothing to do with Elecraft products or Ham Radio and is a netiquette/email 
matter, better dealt with on a list that caters for net protocol.


If this thread had been on real radio, it would have been stopped by now as 
it seems to have gone past the threshold for long-winded (boring) posts per 
thread!


73,

Alan. G4GNX

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Johnson

Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 2:22 AM
To: Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Re: reply to digest

Please change your subject to match your topic.  Digest replies make it 
difficult to cull out what we don't want to follow.


Thank you very much!

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

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[Elecraft] New KX products

2017-04-04 Thread Erik Basilier
Would it not make sense to produce a KX3S that combines the KX3 with the PX3, 
doubles the output power, and provides a full complement of I/O connectors, and 
a new powerful Li-based battery?

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of KD6QZX
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 9:20 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mounting a KX3+PX3 ?

Go to gemproducts.com I have mounts for just this need!   73 Scott AK6Q
 

On Thursday, March 30, 2017 11:52 AM, Colin VE3MSC [via Elecraft] 
 wrote:
 

  Any recommendations on how to mount a KX3+PX3 ?  I want to try it out with my 
microwave setup, and would like to mount them on flat board or aluminum base, 
and was wondering what people have done for mounting brackets?

Thanks in advance and 73,

Colin VE3MSC

 

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