Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans

[Walter Underwood]

The original poster is in Australia. He’d be thrilled to hit a 6 m repeater in 
Cincinnati, but that might not be his primary use. :-)

It appears that VK has permission to use 50-54 MHz, so I’m not sure why that 
isn’t working. The KX3 will work at 54 MHz. Maybe an e-mail to 
supp...@elecraft.com ?

http://www.wia.org.au/members/bandplans/data/documents/Background%20-%206%20metres%202014.pdf

wunder
K6WRU
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> On Aug 21, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Ken G Kopp  wrote:
> 
> There are many FM repeater inputs / outputs above 53 MHz.
> 
> 73
> 
> Ken - K0PP
> Montana Frequency Coordinator
> 
> On Aug 21, 2017 9:52 PM, "Hank Greeb n...@arrl.org [KX3]" <
> kx3-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Don't know if it is still active, but a few years ago there was a FM
> repeater output on 53.05 MHz in Cincinnati, OH
> 
> 72/73 de n8xx Hg
> QRP >99.44% of the time
> 
> 
> On 8/21/2017 11:30 PM, Don Wilhelm donw...@embarqmail.com [KX3] wrote:
> 
>> I am not certain what you want to hear above 53.000 MHz, but if you
> contact support with sufficient reason, they can give you a program that
> will open up the band limits.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>> On 8/21/2017 10:47 PM, rob.at.thes...@gmail.com [KX3] wrote:
>>> G'Day
>>> How do I alter the Band Plan frequencies in my KX3..??
>>> 
>>> I was playing around with the 6 Metre band, when I noticed that once I
> pass 53.000MHz the radio shows "Band End". But looking through the Band
> Plans shows that the band extends to 54MHz.
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans

[Ken G Kopp]

There are many FM repeater inputs / outputs above 53 MHz.

73

Ken - K0PP
Montana Frequency Coordinator

On Aug 21, 2017 9:52 PM, "Hank Greeb n...@arrl.org [KX3]" <
kx3-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Don't know if it is still active, but a few years ago there was a FM
repeater output on 53.05 MHz in Cincinnati, OH

72/73 de n8xx Hg
QRP >99.44% of the time


On 8/21/2017 11:30 PM, Don Wilhelm donw...@embarqmail.com [KX3] wrote:

> I am not certain what you want to hear above 53.000 MHz, but if you
contact support with sufficient reason, they can give you a program that
will open up the band limits.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/21/2017 10:47 PM, rob.at.thes...@gmail.com [KX3] wrote:
>> G'Day
>> How do I alter the Band Plan frequencies in my KX3..??
>>
>> I was playing around with the 6 Metre band, when I noticed that once I
pass 53.000MHz the radio shows "Band End". But looking through the Band
Plans shows that the band extends to 54MHz.

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[Elecraft] 2017 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt Log Summaries

[Larry W2LJ]

Thanks to all who participated in the 2017 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt last Sunday.

Even though band conditions were reported to be less than ideal, 
I am hoping you had fun, nevertheless.

Please remember that all Log Summaries are due NO LATER than MIdnight of Sunday 
evening,
September 3rd.  You can send them via e-mail to w...@arrl.net

All log submissions will be confirmed with a follow up e-mail, so if you make a 
submission
but don't hear from me, then please try again.

73 de Larry W2LJ
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation please

[Don Wilhelm]

Lee,

Why use an interface box at all?  The K3 has isolation transformers 'in 
the K3 box', and all you need is an inexpensive external soundcard. 
That is true no matter what the software soundcard digital mode may be.
For rig control with the P3 in the station mix, the RS-232 cable to the 
PC should connect to the P3.


Use DATA A mode except for RTTY where you would use AFSK A.

You can use the internal soundcard in your computer, but it may also 
transmit system sounds (you can hear that on the air).


The soundcard setup has nothing to do with which soundcard digital mode 
you may be using - if the software tries to set the audio (power) level, 
you may have to manipulate that between applications.  In general it 
should be set to about 50%.


Set the audio level to produce 4 bars solid on the K3/K3S/KX3/KX2 with 
the 5th bar flickering.  With the software/soundcard sliders to 50%, 
adjust the LINE IN on the K3 to produce the required level on the ALC meter.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/20/2017 10:07 PM, Leroy Buller wrote:

I am running a K3 with an RS232 connection to my Win 10 computer.  Basic
early model K3.  I also have a p3.  I want to move from a Signalink
interface to a West Mountain Advantage interface to get some more
flexibilty.   I use N1MM to contest on CW and Rtty...MMTTY.  I also want to
look at WSPR X modes.


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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Robert Nobis]

Hi Don,

I do the same thing with individual emails from the various Yahoo groups that I 
subscribe to. Email filtering is the key to effectively managing messages


Bob Nobis 
n7...@nobis.net


> On Aug 21, 2017, at 17:18, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> Actually, I consider using individual emails the easiest way to deal with the 
> Elecraft reflector as well as any other email lists and my subscriptions to 
> Yahoo groups.
> 
> I detest signing onto each message group using a browser.
> My email client (I use Thunderbird), will sort the emails from each group 
> into individual folders I have created for each group (Yes, you have to use 
> filters to do that).  The messages flow into their own folder leaving my 
> inbox clear of all but personal messages and gives me my own "digest" of the 
> recent email messages for each group.  I can deal with them as I have time.
> 
> Recent suggestions to move this list to a forum style would cause me to "go 
> away" - sorting through a forum style is cumbersome and not productive IMHO.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 8/19/2017 9:00 AM, John AE5X wrote:
>> I don't know why so many people insist on making use of this list in the 
>> most difficult way possible - by receiving individual emails or via the 
>> daily summary email...
>> A far easier way is to just look periodically (daily, hourly)  at the list 
>> of messages here:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2017-August/date.html
>> and click on the topics that are of interest to you. Turn off the email 
>> delivery function of list postings entirely - your "Delete" key will thank 
>> you.
>> John AE5X
>> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
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>>> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
>> all lumped in.
>> 
>> 3 Common Foods Surgeons Are Now Calling "Death Foods"
>> Nucific
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/599836a050160369f618dst01vuc
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Don Wilhelm]

John,

Actually, I consider using individual emails the easiest way to deal 
with the Elecraft reflector as well as any other email lists and my 
subscriptions to Yahoo groups.


I detest signing onto each message group using a browser.
My email client (I use Thunderbird), will sort the emails from each 
group into individual folders I have created for each group (Yes, you 
have to use filters to do that).  The messages flow into their own 
folder leaving my inbox clear of all but personal messages and gives me 
my own "digest" of the recent email messages for each group.  I can deal 
with them as I have time.


Recent suggestions to move this list to a forum style would cause me to 
"go away" - sorting through a forum style is cumbersome and not 
productive IMHO.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/19/2017 9:00 AM, John AE5X wrote:

I don't know why so many people insist on making use of this list in the most 
difficult way possible - by receiving individual emails or via the daily 
summary email...

A far easier way is to just look periodically (daily, hourly)  at the list of 
messages here:
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2017-August/date.html

and click on the topics that are of interest to you. Turn off the email delivery function 
of list postings entirely - your "Delete" key will thank you.

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
___


It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products

all lumped in.

3 Common Foods Surgeons Are Now Calling "Death Foods"
Nucific
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/599836a050160369f618dst01vuc
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

I apologize for not replying to this topic earlier. I was off email for a large 
part of the weekend. :-)


While we appreciate the interest in switching the Elecraft List to a forum 
format, we can not watch all the topics in a multi topic forum. If there are web 
forum topics for every product we make, along with other topics, it will quickly 
be impossible for us to read and participate in all of them.  Also, we've 
observed that when lists like ours fragment into a multi-topic forum, they 
quickly lose the sense of community that we have here.  For those reasons we 
have always chosen to retain the list email format for the Elecraft list.


As noted before, for those that prefer a searchable web based display of this 
list threaded by topic or in calendar date order, the Nabble web based real-time 
archive of the Elecraft list does an excellent job of providing a web based 
searchable and organized copy of this list. This addresses the 'forum' style 
need of most readers.


See:
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-f365791.topics.html

Many of our users use the Nabble web interface as their primary method of 
reading the Elecraft list.


Let's end this periodically recurring thread at this time.

73,
Eric
/Moderator etc.
elecraft.com/
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Fred Jensen]

If you have no vision, reading text emails is a lot easier than having 
to mouse around in a forum. I occasionally get an email that my wife 
says is blue print on a beautiful forest green background.  I have no 
color vision and I can't read it, no contrast. The color schemes often 
used in forums regularly provide little or no contrast for me.


The monochrome option for the P3 waterfall makes a huge positive 
difference for me, the one in color is unreadable.  Sometimes simple is 
the best answer.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 8/21/2017 12:37 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
Main difference to me is that with mail reader software I can use 
keyboard exclusively. Web forums require mouse 
pointing/scrolling/clicking which gets on my nerves very quickly. But 
for some people the mouse is easier.


The only solution is a good software solution that combines listserv 
with forum. This still does not exist. In the meantime there's no 
point trying to convince people that their particular preference must 
be wrong.



73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 08/21/17 12:38, Roger D Johnson wrote:

Let's see

Assuming the computer is running here's what I have to do:

1. Bring up Thunderbird mail program

2. Select Elecraft folder

3. Scroll down and click on the email I want to read.

For Antique Radio Forum, which I like very much, I do this:

1. Bring up ARF

2. Click on topic I want

3. Scroll through and click on email I want to read.

Looks pretty much the same to me except ARF has things neatly 
categorized and

topics that interest me are easy to find.

73, Roger N1RJ




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[Elecraft] In Search of Better

[Erik Basilier]

In Search of Better

 

The following is a rambling tale of situations, real and imagined, where my
Elecraft equipment leaves something to be desired. 

Written mostly during my time confined to home while recovering from back
surgery, it reflects a tendency to focus on operating 

from other locations.

 

When I will be able to go operate outdoors again, how can I make a trip go
as smoothly as possible, without spending a lot of time on 

packing and setup, etc? What went right and what went wrong on my last
outing?

 

Field Day was my latest portable operation. I brought my dual 100W K-lines
in SO2R configuration. This was practical because the 

Elecraft equipment is light enough to be used in the field, works well on
12V deep cycle batteries without too much worry about 

minimum acceptable voltage, and compact enough that both radios are easy to
reach by one operator. Operations were successful, 

so that is what went right. Each K3 has its own Pelican Stormcase iM2400
(with foam), which is perfect for protecting one K3. 

For the latest one I got a great price at Nalpak. The radio is placed into a
foam cavity bottom up, with a shelf of foam under the 

knobs covering the display. The case has room for two more small cavities,
suitable for small items such as a power cord and a 

hand microphone. What is not to like about this? Well, it takes a *lot* of
time to set up and tear down the two K-lines with all the 

items and wiring needed for SO2R. That is what went wrong. Our club
president suggested for next year I have all the equipment 

installed in something like a "go-box", ready to use. Although I was offered
help to lift such a monster, I had to reject the idea as 

cumbersome and inflexible in view of my habit to experiment with diffrerent
configurations at home. So, what is the solution? 

The best I can think of right now is to combine the boxes into a number of
modules that are small enough to lift, but where the 

wiring within a module would not need to be disturbed for transportation.
Maybe one module for each K-line, plus one module 

for SO2R controller, sound card, and headphone amplifier. These modules
would remain intact for home use. Each module would 

be held together by a slab of thin plywood onto which the radios etc would
be bolted down. Having the Elecraft boxes so spaced 

would bring an extra benefit in that I would not have to handle the
individual boxes with care, and the boxes would not be able to 

scratch each other. Each module could be wrapped in cloth and transported
sitting on a car seat. The beautiful Storm Cases would 

no longer be used. The main issue then is how to bolt the boxes to the
board. Some radios have threaded mounting holes on the sides, 

intended for mobile mounting brackets. I could add brackets to the module
boards, but that would be extra work and weight. 

Ideally, the K3 would have threaded mounting holes on the bottom. Perhaps
that could be achieved by changing some 2D connectors 

(normally used to hold together the panels of the K3 case) to bigger
versions incorporating the mounting holes, and adding 

corresponding holes to the K3 bottom panels. I might even be able to do this
myself, but being lazy I would much prefer to be able 

to buy the parts ready to use. Even modestly priced cameras come with a
threaded tripod mounting hole. Why doesn't the K3 

come with several? Having such mounting holes on all the K-line boxes would
not just help with my board mounting scheme, but 

would be just as important for those building "go-boxes", and would also
open an approach to mobile mounting. Another approach: 

add some kind of hardware to the sides of K-line boxes that allows them to
be joined together like lego's. This would make the 

boards unnecessary.

 

During these musings, my XYL walked in: "The amount of dust in the house is
unhealthy, and I have scheduled the cleaning lady to 

come next Wednesday. You have cluttered up the tables with equipment
everywhere. How can one dust properly when there is so 

much stuff?" I meakly answered that all pieces of equipment will have
assigned locations when the remaining shelves are in place, 

but the number of items cannot be avoided. It occurs to me that K-line boxes
mounted on a board would allow me to lift the whole 

assembly away to allow the shelf itself to be dusted by the cleaning lady. I
would have to take on the task of dusting the board as 

well as the boxes, maybe using pre-chosen special brushes and/or vac
attachments. If the K-line boxes were mechanically 

connected without the board, I wouldn't have to deal with dust on the board
in the narrow space between boxes and board. Perhaps 

the hardware interconnecting the boxes could be accompanied by special foam
pieces that prevent dust settling in the space 

between boxes (assuming the K3 side panel heatsink function would still be
adequate). When cleaning, I would just have to pull off 

the foam and wash it. What about 

Re: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten?

[Drew AF2Z]

The single most important feature that would get me to spring for a K4 
would be advanced noise abatement controls. I have little idea how the 
NR & NB work, but strictly from the user standpoint instead of scrolling 
through a small assortment of fixed presets I envision several 
continuously variable controls that would allow us to adjust the several 
noise limiting parameters. Perhaps having some kind of graphical display 
showing a dimensional representation of the noise parameter space and 
the noise itself would help in zeroing in on the best noise reduction...


73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 08/20/17 22:57, Dauer, Edward wrote:

Three of my four are pretty modest, in addition to the receiver technology 
updates already mentioned –

 Bluetooth or the equivalent wherever possible in the K4, the P4, the KPod4, 
the KAT500-4, and the KPA500-4 (and retrofitting updates of the same for the 
last four of those), to be rid of some part of the rat’s nest that limits 
flexibility around the operating table.

 A contest serial number capability in the on-board keyer.

 A 250-watt on-board amp option (which might require a 48 volt power supply 
and concomitant circuitry changes)

 Proprietary Elecraft power supply mounted in a K4-matching speaker box.



Ted, KN1CBR



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Re: [Elecraft] New K4 wish list

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

I have just a few criteria, and I’m at the age that it isn’t terribly likely 
I’d replace my K3 (or K3S) anyway unless the “new” thing were absolutely 
positively spectacular.  Whatever the K4 is, as prime criteria, I don’t want to 
have to depend on someone else's OS, someone else’s glitchy application 
software, someone else’s general purpose computer hardware, or someone else’s 
idea of what a computer interface should look like. 

This is one place where glitzy tech for the sake of glitzy tech and a fancy 
display isn’t worth the price of admission.  I don’t care about touch screens.  
I couldn’t keep track of 16 receive slices.  And I want a knob not a mouse.  
It’s about the RADIO. The radio would have to be so good in an actual 
PRACTICAL(!) way that I couldn’t resist.  There’s nothing on the market now 
that meets the criteria … period.  

That said, I fully expect there to be some kind of follow on radio.  Coming 
from Elecraft,  I would expect it to be a great radio that is a significant 
step up.  Otherwise, why bother?


> 
> */My wish is a removable front face like the Kenwood tx2000b 
> Or a remote face like the Flex Maestro with Blue Tooth and WIFI for remote 
> operation to the shack K4.
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342



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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Drew AF2Z]

Main difference to me is that with mail reader software I can use 
keyboard exclusively. Web forums require mouse 
pointing/scrolling/clicking which gets on my nerves very quickly. But 
for some people the mouse is easier.


The only solution is a good software solution that combines listserv 
with forum. This still does not exist. In the meantime there's no point 
trying to convince people that their particular preference must be wrong.



73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 08/21/17 12:38, Roger D Johnson wrote:

Let's see

Assuming the computer is running here's what I have to do:

1. Bring up Thunderbird mail program

2. Select Elecraft folder

3. Scroll down and click on the email I want to read.

For Antique Radio Forum, which I like very much, I do this:

1. Bring up ARF

2. Click on topic I want

3. Scroll through and click on email I want to read.

Looks pretty much the same to me except ARF has things neatly 
categorized and

topics that interest me are easy to find.

73, Roger N1RJ




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[Elecraft] P3 - Commands don't work

[Fred Jensen]

My P3 seems to work perfectly ... except it doesn't respond to commands 
I send using the Command Tester in the P3 Utility.  If past experience 
is any indicator, this is a pilot-problem.  The P3 says it's connected 
to the computer at 38400.  Commands to the K3 [thru the P3] work fine 
and I can download the BMP image from the P3 fine.  I just downloaded 
the latest production FW for the K3 and P3.


When I send "=" it returns "P3"

When I send "#SPN000500;" it returns nothing and the span does not go to 
50 KHz


No other command that I've tried has done anything.

I might be misreading the P3 Programmers Manual but it appears that all 
commands have the syntax: #;  and the P3 Utility sends 
the command when I type the semicolon.  I've had the P3 for a number of 
years but have never tried to command it from the Utility.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County
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[Elecraft] New K4 wish list

[Arthur Nienhouse]

*/My wish is a removable front face like the Kenwood tx2000b 

Or a remote face like the Flex Maestro with Blue Tooth and WIFI for 
remote operation to the shack K4.


Regards
Art
ka9zap
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On 8/21/2017 12:02 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:

Dear Friends,
 For what it is worth, I have come to like the small size and light
weight of the present K3/S.   The modular approach to features aids purchase
and I believe also helps in troubleshooting.   This is a radio made for
contesting, DXpeditions, rag chewing and all modes of operation.   It may be
best to stick with the winner and continue to improve.   If a newer K4 is
eventually called for may it be small and light retaining as many K3
features as possible.

  Oh, I do like the P3 with 19 inch VDU and the K-Pod so adding on extras
is just fine.   The K3 line is a radio one can start out small with and
build up to what ever you desire.   I use to like the big Orion II and can
see that the FT 1000 MP were impressive looking radios but the K3
outperforms both in the contest sphere where a radio is tested as no where
else.

  There are Cadillac drivers and Ferrari drivers both cars have their
place but I just wonder if both are best made by the same manufacturer.
Inventory shoots up and engineering talent is more thinly spread.

  Whatever it will be interesting to see what the mother ship does in
coming years.  Just please do not fade out like so many others.   You people
at Elecraft are phenomenal with design, manufacturing and service.

 73 Doug EI2CN

PS Thank you once more for the K-Pod!!!

-Original Message-
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ignacy
Sent: 21 August 2017 11:00
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten?

Perhaps it does not matter what we write because most likely Elecraft is
already working on it.

The advantages of K3 are high blocking and dynamic ranges together with
quiet synthesizer. Also lighweight and good ergonomics to those who got used
to current.

Minuses are lots of connectors/cables and high price.

Making all SDR would make the radio lose high blocking range. Making the
screen bigger would  either make the radio bigger or the number of knobs
smaller.

Here are possibilities
- SDR configuration with 2nd RX but with provision for current RX with
single Xtal filter
- panadapter display with connection to external display
- built in PS

Ignacy, NO9E

  





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Re: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough?

[Phil Kane]

On 8/20/2017 7:30 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> e now-defunct Southern Pacific Railroad, acquired by Union Pacific 20 or
> so years ago, used DDRR VHF antennas on their trackside signaling
> equipment.  They were cast steel [maybe brass under the finish], very
> low profile on top of the equipment box, small [they looked like a
> handle], and about as indestructible as the steel box they were on. 
> Indestructability is fairly important with stuff trackside in the middle
> of nowhere.  

In the rail industry, these are known as "Excalibur" antennas - the
model type made by Sinclair.  They were developed for the transit
industry for buses and locomotives to be able to go through industrial
wash racks with no damage  We used both the VHF Low-Band and VHF
High-Band models on a measurement truck and were very happy with them.
Use of this type of antenna on wayside equipment such as hot-box and
dragging equipment scanners is pretty much standard for the reasons that
you gave above.  I'd put one on our car but I don't know how the VHF
model that I would use for 2-meters would perform on UHF (3/4-meters)
like my 1/4-wave mag-mount vertical does.


73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries?

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

I wonder if that had anything to do with (in the past at least) 50V and up were 
considered "dangerous" voltages that required special protection and warnings.

Of course any of us who happened to get across the circuit with even a 12V 
battery and a large inductance in series disagreed - after we picked ourselves 
up off of the floor.  

73, Ron AC7AC

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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 8:39 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries?

On 8/20/2017 7:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> More recent battery technology have produced a number of batteries 
> with different voltages, but most ham gear has stayed with the voltage 
> commonly available in a vehicular mobile environment.  That is just 
> "the fact of the matter".

Commercial "fixed station" equipment has largely migrated to 48V, the 
historical "Bell System" standard.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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[Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Reed]

If I want to read Elecraft reflector I just go here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@mailman.qth.net/maillist.html

I don't have any reflector or yahoo groups post go to my email account. 
This avoids filling up your email account or getting stuff you are not 
interested in.  When I return to the reflector it already knows the last 
message I read by high lighting the message unless I clear temp files.


I believe this is why people complain the most, getting email stuff they 
are not interested in.  I just glance at subject & read if interested.


73,

Reed  W4JZ

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Re: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten?

[Tox]

I'd wonder if best of several worlds might not just be a rackmount brain
that has the filters and SDR in it that could be stashed under the desk, or
in a shockmount crate for DXpedition use, and a separate remote like the
kpod, potentially available as a detachable faceplate for those who want
the buttons and knobs. Or perhaps take the k3s faceplate and use it as a
remote, possibly with a revved silkscreen to help handle new/extra
functionality.

$.02 from a new kx3 owner



On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Doug Turnbull  wrote:

> Dear Friends,
> For what it is worth, I have come to like the small size and light
> weight of the present K3/S.   The modular approach to features aids
> purchase
> and I believe also helps in troubleshooting.   This is a radio made for
> contesting, DXpeditions, rag chewing and all modes of operation.   It may
> be
> best to stick with the winner and continue to improve.   If a newer K4 is
> eventually called for may it be small and light retaining as many K3
> features as possible.
>
>  Oh, I do like the P3 with 19 inch VDU and the K-Pod so adding on
> extras
> is just fine.   The K3 line is a radio one can start out small with and
> build up to what ever you desire.   I use to like the big Orion II and can
> see that the FT 1000 MP were impressive looking radios but the K3
> outperforms both in the contest sphere where a radio is tested as no where
> else.
>
>  There are Cadillac drivers and Ferrari drivers both cars have their
> place but I just wonder if both are best made by the same manufacturer.
> Inventory shoots up and engineering talent is more thinly spread.
>
>  Whatever it will be interesting to see what the mother ship does in
> coming years.  Just please do not fade out like so many others.   You
> people
> at Elecraft are phenomenal with design, manufacturing and service.
>
> 73 Doug EI2CN
>
> PS Thank you once more for the K-Pod!!!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ignacy
> Sent: 21 August 2017 11:00
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten?
>
> Perhaps it does not matter what we write because most likely Elecraft is
> already working on it.
>
> The advantages of K3 are high blocking and dynamic ranges together with
> quiet synthesizer. Also lighweight and good ergonomics to those who got
> used
> to current.
>
> Minuses are lots of connectors/cables and high price.
>
> Making all SDR would make the radio lose high blocking range. Making the
> screen bigger would  either make the radio bigger or the number of knobs
> smaller.
>
> Here are possibilities
> - SDR configuration with 2nd RX but with provision for current RX with
> single Xtal filter
> - panadapter display with connection to external display
> - built in PS
>
> Ignacy, NO9E
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries?

[Jim Brown]

Hi Charlie,

Since your question is likely of interest to others, I'm responding to 
the reflector.  My system is float charged using a Genasun MPPT solar 
charge regulator designed for LiFePO4 batteries. My solar array is quite 
small, composed of 4 panels gifted by a friend who recovered them from a 
dumpster after they had been replaced in instrumentation setups. Because 
I'm in a redwood forest, they get far less illumination than they would 
in a more typical installation. During the summer months, they're 
producing charging current from about 9:30 am to about 4:30 pm. From 
early fall to late spring, they're barely illuminated at all.


When the sun is not enough, I disconnect the panels and use an old 
computer laptop power supply to feed the charge regulator.  That's 
enough to run a single K3 for contesting at full power, but not for two 
K3s in heavy SO2R. It is enough to run SO2R at the much lower power 
levels needed to drive my power amps.


I've done two things to address that. First, the LiFePO4 battery only 
runs the radios. Other 12V gear in the shack runs from a big Costco deep 
discharge battery, floated in the same manner from another old laptop 
power supply. Second, for 100W contests, I reduce K3 output to what it 
takes to get 100W from my power amps, which varies from 5-8W, depending 
on which amp and which band.


You asked about a 10Ah battery. W6JTI used my KX3/KXPA100 for two 
ridgetop expeditions (3 miles up a trail that climbs 2,000 ft) to 
activate the rare CM79 grid on 6M. He was joined on one trip by K6EU, 
and on a second by N6ZFO. The first trip was for two days, and they 
carried three 20Ah batteries. On the second trip for only one day, they 
carried two. On both trips, they got through most of the day with one of 
those batteries. The first time around, they were not familiar with the 
KX3 power hookup, and by accident ran the KX3 on the internal NiMH AA 
pack. That also got through much of that first day. it was a CW-only 
operation. To gauge operating time, they were set up and on the air by 
about 8 am and shut down between 6 and 7 pm (on the second trip, in time 
to make it down the trail before dark).


So -- I'd say a 10Ah pack would be good for nearly continuous CW with a 
barefoot KX3 all day. And, of course, there's the internal pack, which 
for my batteries, is about 2.7Ah.


73, Jim K9YC

On 8/21/2017 4:32 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

Interesting comment Jim.

I would have suspected that a 10 Ah battery might not be big enough.

Assuming you have the 100 W K3, can you run full power using the LiFePO4
battery?
How about operating time?  Again, assuming casual not full contest mode.
Also, do you leave the charger connected at all times? I'm guessing it is
designed to operate like this.

Currently, I have an old 2' X 4' solar panel charging a regular 24 size car
battery with a diode isolated 3 Amp power supply in case the sun doesn't
cooperate, all feeding a home brew switching type charger.
It DOES make some beeps and squeals on the six meter band, but just a couple
obvious spikes in the panadapter that I've learned to live with.

Ultimately, if I converted to the newer battery, I'd still want the ability
to use the solar panel to charge. I'm thinking that would take quite a bit
of extra circuitry to accomplish.

I typically get around ten years of life to a car battery in this situation.
I'm hoping the LiFePO4 battery would have better lifetime considering the
cost.
Of course, when I started this set-up years ago,  you could buy a Wal-Mart
battery for $29.95.  They're not that far from a LiFePOP4 battery pricing
now days, especially if I could get away with a considerably lower Ah
rating.

I'm hoping this goes to you directly since I don't want to prolong an OT
thread.

73, Charlie k3ICH



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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:17 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries?

Right on!  For about a year, I've been running the radios in my shack from a
10Ah LiFePO4 battery from Bioenne Power.  I never see the voltage drop below
13V on the K3 voltmeter.

73, Jim K9YC





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[Elecraft] FOR SALE K3-K/100 Serial # 2802

[KN4G]

For Sale a user assembled K3  Serial # 2802 -March 2009, a few minor
scratches on the case bottom. Has latest FW, used for CW only @90 watts in
home QTH with no smoke or pets.
Pictured will supply not included. 
 
options included are:

100W Amp module
KAT3 Antenna Tuner
KTCX03-1 
Standard  2.7kHz 5 pole filter
K3 1.8 kHz 8 pole filter
K3 1.0 kHz 8 pole filter
K3  400 Hz 8 pole filter
K3  250 Hz 8 pole filter


$2350 shipped, OBO

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Re: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten?

[Doug Turnbull]

Dear Friends,
For what it is worth, I have come to like the small size and light
weight of the present K3/S.   The modular approach to features aids purchase
and I believe also helps in troubleshooting.   This is a radio made for
contesting, DXpeditions, rag chewing and all modes of operation.   It may be
best to stick with the winner and continue to improve.   If a newer K4 is
eventually called for may it be small and light retaining as many K3
features as possible.

 Oh, I do like the P3 with 19 inch VDU and the K-Pod so adding on extras
is just fine.   The K3 line is a radio one can start out small with and
build up to what ever you desire.   I use to like the big Orion II and can
see that the FT 1000 MP were impressive looking radios but the K3
outperforms both in the contest sphere where a radio is tested as no where
else.

 There are Cadillac drivers and Ferrari drivers both cars have their
place but I just wonder if both are best made by the same manufacturer.
Inventory shoots up and engineering talent is more thinly spread.

 Whatever it will be interesting to see what the mother ship does in
coming years.  Just please do not fade out like so many others.   You people
at Elecraft are phenomenal with design, manufacturing and service.

73 Doug EI2CN

PS Thank you once more for the K-Pod!!! 

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ignacy
Sent: 21 August 2017 11:00
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten?

Perhaps it does not matter what we write because most likely Elecraft is
already working on it.

The advantages of K3 are high blocking and dynamic ranges together with
quiet synthesizer. Also lighweight and good ergonomics to those who got used
to current. 

Minuses are lots of connectors/cables and high price. 

Making all SDR would make the radio lose high blocking range. Making the
screen bigger would  either make the radio bigger or the number of knobs
smaller. 

Here are possibilities
- SDR configuration with 2nd RX but with provision for current RX with
single Xtal filter
- panadapter display with connection to external display
- built in PS

Ignacy, NO9E

 



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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Roger D Johnson]

Let's see

Assuming the computer is running here's what I have to do:

1. Bring up Thunderbird mail program

2. Select Elecraft folder

3. Scroll down and click on the email I want to read.

For Antique Radio Forum, which I like very much, I do this:

1. Bring up ARF

2. Click on topic I want

3. Scroll through and click on email I want to read.

Looks pretty much the same to me except ARF has things neatly categorized and
topics that interest me are easy to find.

73, Roger N1RJ


On 8/19/2017 2:22 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

Oh, please don't.

A "push" technology, like E-Mail means that more of us will participate.

Web Based forums are a "pull" -- one has to be dedicated enough to go to the 
forum.  It slows the tempo and reduces participation.


It isn't a magic bullet.  People still post in forum sections off topic.

Before I retired, I ran an ISP and did E-Mail professionally, including mail 
filtering.  The greatest tool I found is called PopFile.


PopFile can, with a minimal amount of work, split out mail by product 
mentioned.  You don't have to figure out what keywords to use, you just have 
to move mail that is mis-classified to the right place.  Takes a couple of 
days worth of mail to train to 90% accuracy or so, and not long after before 
it's near 99%.


73 -- Lynn




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[Elecraft] K3S and P3 for sale

[Jeremiah Peschka]

K3S and P3 for sale. Factory assembled. Originally purchased on 6/10/15 for
$5,111.

Total package: $4,000 - shipping not included.

Contact Jeremiah, KG7TXV, at jeremiah.pesc...@gmail.com

More details follow:

K3S serial number: 10017
P3 serial number: 3859

Includes the following (factory installed) options:

- 100W upgrade for K3/K3S
- ATU for K3/K3S
- Standard 5 ppm Oscillator
- 2.7 kHz Elecraft Filter
- 2.1 kHz, 8 pole roofing filter
- K3 250 Hz, 8 Pole Filter
- K3 500 Hz, 5 Pole Filter
- FM-bandwidth,8-pole roofing filter
- K144XV REFLOCK
- 2M Module for K3/10
- P3-F Panadapter for the K3
- SS30DV Sw. Pwr Supply, 14.1V, 25A

K3 Book also included.

Due to timing and life changes, this unit has only seen about 4 hours of
use, none of that is transmitting.

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Re: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries?

[Phil Kane]

On 8/20/2017 7:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> More recent battery technology have produced a number of batteries with
> different voltages, but most ham gear has stayed with the voltage
> commonly available in a vehicular mobile environment.  That is just "the
> fact of the matter".

Commercial "fixed station" equipment has largely migrated to 48V, the
historical "Bell System" standard.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries?

[Nr4c]

4S Lipos. 

Lipo cells are 3.7 V nominal. So 4 in series would be 14.8 Volts. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Aug 20, 2017, at 8:19 PM, Robert Sands  wrote:
> 
> Why are we stuck with 12 volt batteries of all types when the rigs are
> optimal at 13.6 or 14 volts? Anyone know of a 14 volt battery mfg? My
> search yields zero.
> Bob K7VO
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] - Tech Only Discussions

[Brian D]

Most good groups are moving away from Yahoo, Groups.io seems the main
choice.

I won't be joining any more yahoo groups.


Fred Moore  wrote:

> Thanks for specifying that this group is not related to the Elecraft
> Company.  That makes my decision about joining your group very easy for
> me.
> 
> .. Fred
> 
> I'll only post this one time...   That way I can make sure I observe the
> Elecraft OT rules as well..
> 
> Fred Moore email: f...@fmeco.com
>wd8...@gmail.com
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> On 8/21/17 7:57 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> > Hi All
> >
> > I am only going to post this one.  I have created a spin off group for
> > technical only Elecraft discussion.  No OT discussion and focused truly
> > on the issues of your wonderful Elecraft hardware.
> >
> > This will allow this group to proceed as normal, yet this is an option
> > for those that only want to focus on the specifics of Elecraft hardware.
> >
> > This group is not associated in anyway with the Elecraft company.
> >
> > I will also be looking for a few moderators, so if you are interested,
> > please let me know.
> >
> > Please do not do a reply all to the original Elecraft group as I want to
> > observe their OT rules as well.
> >
> > Details are:
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Permanent NTCH setting

[Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS]

So it looks like no way...
Is there chance to implement this feature into the next s/w release?
...something like Permanent NTCH setting Y/N?
73 - Petr, OK1RP




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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] - Tech Only Discussions

[Fred Moore]

Thanks for specifying that this group is not related to the Elecraft
Company.  That makes my decision about joining your group very easy for
me. 

.. Fred 

I'll only post this one time...   That way I can make sure I observe the
Elecraft OT rules as well.. 

Fred Moore
email: f...@fmeco.com
   wd8...@gmail.com
phone: 321-217-8699

On 8/21/17 7:57 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I am only going to post this one.  I have created a spin off group for
> technical only Elecraft discussion.  No OT discussion and focused truly on
> the issues of your wonderful Elecraft hardware.
>
> This will allow this group to proceed as normal, yet this is an option for
> those that only want to focus on the specifics of Elecraft hardware.
>
> This group is not associated in anyway with the Elecraft company.
>
> I will also be looking for a few moderators, so if you are interested,
> please let me know.
>
> Please do not do a reply all to the original Elecraft group as I want to
> observe their OT rules as well.
>
> Details are:
>
> Group Email Addresses
>
>- Post Message :elecraft-t...@yahoogroups.com
>- Subscribe :elecraft-tech-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
>- Unsubscribe :elecraft-tech-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com
>- List Owner :elecraft-tech-ow...@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> 73, Mike va3mw
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[Elecraft] [OT] - Tech Only Discussions

[Michael Walker]

Hi All

I am only going to post this one.  I have created a spin off group for
technical only Elecraft discussion.  No OT discussion and focused truly on
the issues of your wonderful Elecraft hardware.

This will allow this group to proceed as normal, yet this is an option for
those that only want to focus on the specifics of Elecraft hardware.

This group is not associated in anyway with the Elecraft company.

I will also be looking for a few moderators, so if you are interested,
please let me know.

Please do not do a reply all to the original Elecraft group as I want to
observe their OT rules as well.

Details are:

Group Email Addresses

   - Post Message :elecraft-t...@yahoogroups.com
   - Subscribe :elecraft-tech-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
   - Unsubscribe :elecraft-tech-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com
   - List Owner :elecraft-tech-ow...@yahoogroups.com


73, Mike va3mw
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Re: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries?

[Ignacy]

Most rigs are designed for a range (13.8V +- 15%). IMD3 are better at higher
voltage, but excellent IMD3 with predistortion can make this point moot. 

Many computer chips operate at 1.5V, and conversion from 12V is normal.
Expert amp 1.3k operates at full power from 90 to 270V.  Apache 8000 has
12V/50V conversion inside.  

With newer generation and predistortion + more intelligent design, radios
may limit themselves to max power at given voltage, all with excellent IMD
and high efficiency.  Say 80W at 10V to 150W at 16V. 

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Re: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten?

[Ignacy]

Perhaps it does not matter what we write because most likely Elecraft is
already working on it.

The advantages of K3 are high blocking and dynamic ranges together with
quiet synthesizer. Also lighweight and good ergonomics to those who got used
to current. 

Minuses are lots of connectors/cables and high price. 

Making all SDR would make the radio lose high blocking range. Making the
screen bigger would  either make the radio bigger or the number of knobs
smaller. 

Here are possibilities
- SDR configuration with 2nd RX but with provision for current RX with
single Xtal filter
- panadapter display with connection to external display
- built in PS

Ignacy, NO9E

 



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Re: [Elecraft] Again - logging program...

[Richard Lamont]

On 21/08/17 06:53, Bob Nielsen wrote:
> I'm a somewhat casual contester but am quite happy with the contest
> support in RUMLogNG.  Tom keeps adding additional contests.
> 
> I wish there was a Linux equivalent (or close) to N1MM or RUMLogNG.  For
> non-contest stuff cqrlog isn't bad.  Before I got the mac I used TLF,
> which worked fine but lacked a GUI.

The latest version of CQRlog (2.1.0), released on 6th August 2017, has
added a simple contest logging window. It won't satisfy industrial
contesters but may be good enough for casual use.

https://www.cqrlog.com/

73,
Richard G4DYA
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