Re: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.

2019-10-31 Thread Drew AF2Z

That is what the K4 FAQ says: K4HD is equivalent to a K3S.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 11/01/19 00:34, Bill Breeden wrote:


I asked a similar question at the Elecraft K4 Forum at the Huntsville 
Hamfest this year and came away with the impression that the K4HD would 
be required to meet or exceed the performance of the K3/K3s in this regard.


Since Eric, Wa6HHQ presented the forum and answered my question, he can 
correct me if I came away with the wrong impression.


73,

Bill - NA5DX


On 10/31/2019 9:58 PM, Eric Norris wrote:

This doesn't answer my question.  Is the K4HD required to provide nearby
signal  blocking equal to or better than the K3s?  There is no statement
like this in the FAQ, nor any technical specs.  I'm sure Elecraft has run
these tests, and I hope they'll share them, or at least give us some idea
of the relative performance of the various K4 models compared to the 
K3S as

regards to nearby signal rejection.

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 3:47 PM Nr4c  wrote:


Read the FAQ. The K4HD is a K4D with a superheat front end with roofing
filters added in front of the ADCs. Like adding a K3 in front of the 
SDR.


Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill



On Oct 31, 2019, at 6:12 PM, Tox  wrote:

K4hd (is a k4(d?) With additional filters)


On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 2:52 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

Can somebody tell me which of the K4 models will produce better 
blocking
of extremely strong (S9+20 to S9+40) nearby in frequency signals 
than a

K3S?  Is this blocking gain compression?  I'm trying to plan a future
station upgrade and I have ham neighbors.
73. Eric WD6DBM

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.

2019-10-31 Thread Bill Breeden


I asked a similar question at the Elecraft K4 Forum at the Huntsville 
Hamfest this year and came away with the impression that the K4HD would 
be required to meet or exceed the performance of the K3/K3s in this regard.


Since Eric, Wa6HHQ presented the forum and answered my question, he can 
correct me if I came away with the wrong impression.


73,

Bill - NA5DX


On 10/31/2019 9:58 PM, Eric Norris wrote:

This doesn't answer my question.  Is the K4HD required to provide nearby
signal  blocking equal to or better than the K3s?  There is no statement
like this in the FAQ, nor any technical specs.  I'm sure Elecraft has run
these tests, and I hope they'll share them, or at least give us some idea
of the relative performance of the various K4 models compared to the K3S as
regards to nearby signal rejection.

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 3:47 PM Nr4c  wrote:


Read the FAQ. The K4HD is a K4D with a superheat front end with roofing
filters added in front of the ADCs. Like adding a K3 in front of the SDR.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill



On Oct 31, 2019, at 6:12 PM, Tox  wrote:

K4hd (is a k4(d?) With additional filters)


On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 2:52 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

Can somebody tell me which of the K4 models will produce better blocking
of extremely strong (S9+20 to S9+40) nearby in frequency signals than a
K3S?  Is this blocking gain compression?  I'm trying to plan a future
station upgrade and I have ham neighbors.
73. Eric WD6DBM

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.

2019-10-31 Thread Eric Norris
This doesn't answer my question.  Is the K4HD required to provide nearby
signal  blocking equal to or better than the K3s?  There is no statement
like this in the FAQ, nor any technical specs.  I'm sure Elecraft has run
these tests, and I hope they'll share them, or at least give us some idea
of the relative performance of the various K4 models compared to the K3S as
regards to nearby signal rejection.

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 3:47 PM Nr4c  wrote:

> Read the FAQ. The K4HD is a K4D with a superheat front end with roofing
> filters added in front of the ADCs. Like adding a K3 in front of the SDR.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Oct 31, 2019, at 6:12 PM, Tox  wrote:
> >
> > K4hd (is a k4(d?) With additional filters)
> >
> >> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 2:52 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
> >> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Can somebody tell me which of the K4 models will produce better blocking
> >> of extremely strong (S9+20 to S9+40) nearby in frequency signals than a
> >> K3S?  Is this blocking gain compression?  I'm trying to plan a future
> >> station upgrade and I have ham neighbors.
> >> 73. Eric WD6DBM
> >>
> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
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[Elecraft] KPA 1500 on 12 meters

2019-10-31 Thread donw4cbs
Makes the impedance here in parts of Florida a moving target. Its not how high 
the antenna is above the ground (sand) it's how high above the water table 
which can vary from a few inches below the surface in July to 25 feet or more 
below in Dec-Mar in our dry season. Suddenly our 80 or 160 meter antennas are 
25 feet higher in the winter months.Don, W4CBS Sent from my Sprint Samsung 
Galaxy Note9.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and P3 price reduction

2019-10-31 Thread Bill

Has been sold. It will be missed.

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[Elecraft] KAP 500 Remote ON/OFF Via AUX Conn

2019-10-31 Thread Andy Durbin
"But when I touch 8 and 12 together, nothing happens"

What is the open circuit voltage on pin 8?   It's not a complex circuit and, 
except for connectors and cables, the only thing that would stop it working is 
a failure of diode D4 which is a BAT54.

Andy, k3wyc
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Re: [Elecraft] KAP 500 Remote ON/OFF Via AUX Conn

2019-10-31 Thread Jack Brindle via Elecraft
Do you have the rear panel switch on? Pin 8 is in parallel with the front panel 
pushbutton, so it will power on/off the KPA500 under the same conditions as the 
front panel power button.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Oct 31, 2019, at 12:35 PM, DAVID INGEBRIGHT  wrote:
> 
> I'm wanting to utilize the AUX connector pins on my KPA 500 to remotely turn 
> on and off the amplifier. The interface diagram on pg 25 of the manual shows 
> pins 8 and 12 can be momentarily shorted to control the power. (#8 grounded) 
> My plan is to do this via a 1216 webswitch. But when I touch 8 and 12 
> together, nothing happens. I've checked and verified all plugs tight and pins 
> are correct. Possibly I need to pull 8 low with -12volts? I know a lot of you 
> leave your amp in STBY all the time but I'd like the flexibility to turn it 
> off and on remotely with extra contacts on the webswitch. 
> Thanks de dave WB7ELY
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[Elecraft] K3 and P3 price reduction

2019-10-31 Thread Bill
K3, P3, KPod and a load of extras. Shipped USPS insured to the lower 48 
for $1800 or offer. Payment via USPS Money Order or PayPal. Cash price 
with local pickup $1700. Please email off list for more info: 
mym...@necoastal.net.


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Re: [Elecraft] KAP 500 Remote ON/OFF Via AUX Conn

2019-10-31 Thread Nr4c
WIN4kK3 does this function. Maybe you can determine how. 

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...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:42 PM, DAVID INGEBRIGHT  wrote:
> 
> I'm wanting to utilize the AUX connector pins on my KPA 500 to remotely turn 
> on and off the amplifier. The interface diagram on pg 25 of the manual shows 
> pins 8 and 12 can be momentarily shorted to control the power. (#8 grounded) 
> My plan is to do this via a 1216 webswitch. But when I touch 8 and 12 
> together, nothing happens. I've checked and verified all plugs tight and pins 
> are correct. Possibly I need to pull 8 low with -12volts? I know a lot of you 
> leave your amp in STBY all the time but I'd like the flexibility to turn it 
> off and on remotely with extra contacts on the webswitch. 
> Thanks de dave WB7ELY
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.

2019-10-31 Thread Nr4c
Read the FAQ. The K4HD is a K4D with a superheat front end with roofing filters 
added in front of the ADCs. Like adding a K3 in front of the SDR. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 31, 2019, at 6:12 PM, Tox  wrote:
> 
> K4hd (is a k4(d?) With additional filters)
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 2:52 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
>> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Can somebody tell me which of the K4 models will produce better blocking
>> of extremely strong (S9+20 to S9+40) nearby in frequency signals than a
>> K3S?  Is this blocking gain compression?  I'm trying to plan a future
>> station upgrade and I have ham neighbors.
>> 73. Eric WD6DBM
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.

2019-10-31 Thread Tox
K4hd (is a k4(d?) With additional filters)

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 2:52 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Can somebody tell me which of the K4 models will produce better blocking
> of extremely strong (S9+20 to S9+40) nearby in frequency signals than a
> K3S?  Is this blocking gain compression?  I'm trying to plan a future
> station upgrade and I have ham neighbors.
> 73. Eric WD6DBM
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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[Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.

2019-10-31 Thread eric norris via Elecraft
Can somebody tell me which of the K4 models will produce better blocking of 
extremely strong (S9+20 to S9+40) nearby in frequency signals than a K3S?  Is 
this blocking gain compression?  I'm trying to plan a future station upgrade 
and I have ham neighbors.
73. Eric WD6DBM

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 panadapter vs. P3

2019-10-31 Thread Gary Smith
I have to say I'm really looking forward 
to using this, it sounds like it's going 
to be wonderful.

73, Gary KA1J


> 
> > David Stout wrote:
> > 
> > I would like to see a comparison of the P3 and K4 in full screen
> > mode. Is the K4 scope faster, higher res?
> 
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> The K4's LCD has nearly 3x the area of the P3's, and 5x as many
> pixels. The resolution (pixels per inch) is about 30% greater. It's
> faster as well as brighter -- the K4 screen was easily readable in
> diffuse daylight during Field Day, while some other rigs' displays
> were not.
> 
> The K4's panadapter area using the standard display format is 25%
> greater than the P3's. This doesn't include the per-VFO "mini-pan"
> displays that overlay the S-meters, when desired, for fine tuning of
> signals.
> 
> Thanks to the much larger LCD, variations on the panadapter could be
> created that are much larger than this, at the expense of some
> per-receiver icons and the S-meters. So far we haven't felt the need,
> partly because the K4 includes an HDMI output that can drive an
> external monitor of any required size. This external monitor can be
> configured to display just the panadapter, with independent settings
> from the panadapter on the LCD.
> 
> Beyond this the K4 display provides:
> 
> - dual-pan mode (separate panadapters for main/A and sub/B)
> 
> - single or dual text decode windows
> 
> - far more digital signal processing horsepower (in aggregate, 
>   roughly an order of magnitude greater than the K3S+P3)
> 
> - built-in IQ data streaming for use with computer applications
> 
> - a configurable multi-band mode to allow a quick check of activity
>   on your favorite bands
> 
> - more flexibility in terms of display functions
> 
> - overlays for various functions (e.g.: DX call station list, 
>   help information on all controls, RX/TX graphic EQ, alphanumeric
>   keyboard for message/macro/menu entry, etc.); 
> 
> - virtually unlimited code space for future expansion; examples
>   might include high-performance data decoders, AZ/EL display,
>   custom station controls, image display, etc.
> 
> In short, the K4's display is much larger and more versatile,
> providing the kind of control visibility and convenience that's only
> possible by integrating the display into the transceiver itself.
> 
> Oh, and it's really fun to use :)
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 panadapter vs. P3

2019-10-31 Thread Fred Jensen

And a monochrome WF option too like the P3?

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/31/2019 11:45 AM, David Gilbert wrote:


Hopefully including the option for the waterfall to run from right to 
left instead of top to bottom (including a screen tap-to-pause 
feature) to allow visual decoding of CW.


Dave   AB7E


On 10/31/2019 8:40 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:


- virtually unlimited code space for future expansion; examples
   might include high-performance data decoders, AZ/EL display,
   custom station controls, image display, etc.

Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 panadapter vs. P3

2019-10-31 Thread August "Gus" Hansen

On 10/31/2019 12:45 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
Hopefully including the option for the waterfall to run from right to 
left instead of top to bottom (including a screen tap-to-pause 
feature) to allow visual decoding of CW.


 I like the idea, but if running horizontally instead of vertically, 
perhaps we should call the moving display an "aqueduct".


Gus Hansen
KB0YH

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[Elecraft] KAP 500 Remote ON/OFF Via AUX Conn

2019-10-31 Thread DAVID INGEBRIGHT
I'm wanting to utilize the AUX connector pins on my KPA 500 to remotely turn on 
and off the amplifier. The interface diagram on pg 25 of the manual shows pins 
8 and 12 can be momentarily shorted to control the power. (#8 grounded) My plan 
is to do this via a 1216 webswitch. But when I touch 8 and 12 together, nothing 
happens. I've checked and verified all plugs tight and pins are correct. 
Possibly I need to pull 8 low with -12volts? I know a lot of you leave your amp 
in STBY all the time but I'd like the flexibility to turn it off and on 
remotely with extra contacts on the webswitch. 
Thanks de dave WB7ELY
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 panadapter vs. P3

2019-10-31 Thread David Gilbert


Hopefully including the option for the waterfall to run from right to 
left instead of top to bottom (including a screen tap-to-pause feature) 
to allow visual decoding of CW.


Dave   AB7E


On 10/31/2019 8:40 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:


- virtually unlimited code space for future expansion; examples
   might include high-performance data decoders, AZ/EL display,
   custom station controls, image display, etc.

Wayne
N6KR




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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Delivery

2019-10-31 Thread Nr4c
Old news. This was posted before Pacificon. 

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> On Oct 31, 2019, at 7:47 AM, Ken B via Elecraft  
> wrote:
> 
> Any update on delivery dates 
> Thank you Ken WB8PKK
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 11:32 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - 
> Elecraft wrote:   Hi Tom,
> 
> I apologize for any confusion on K4 status. We really appreciate the support 
> you and others have given us with your K4 orders. 
> 
> We’ve been very busy keeping our heads down and working hard finishing key K4 
> features and getting everything lined up for production, including getting 
> critical long lead parts on order with committed delivery dates. We are being 
> very careful about getting this right and not cutting corners. 
> 
> I’ll make sure to post updates more often here and via direct emAil to K4 
> order holders as we converge to keep everyone informed and up to date. We’ll 
> also make more posts describing some exciting features we are adding to the 
> K4 design.
> 
> We’ll be off line through this weekend at the ARRL Pacificon hamfest.  I’ll 
> make sure to post here links to any video interviews we give there on the K4 
> and its newest features. 
> 
> 73,
> Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] I note that the mechanical strengthener for the K3 synthesizers is no longer available

2019-10-31 Thread Wes
As the guy who originally discovered the microphonic issue, I can assure that it 
affects receive too. I found it by noting sidebands on received audio due to the 
internal speaker modulating the synthesizer.  External noises can do the same.


Wes  N7WS

On 10/31/2019 8:44 AM, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:

We still have them, K3STFNR
It comes up on the website.
It is for mechanical vibration pickup dampening, mainly needed on the Main as 
that is used in TX.

Keith WE6R


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 panadapter vs. P3

2019-10-31 Thread Doug Turnbull
Wayne,
 You have a Porsche of the radio world for us.I just wish Fred Cady,
KE7X was around to further illustrate and explain.Your technical writer
has a job on his/her hands.I am anxiously waiting my K4 - this is going
to be fun.
  73 Doug EI2CN

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: 31 October 2019 15:40
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Subject: [Elecraft] K4 panadapter vs. P3


> David Stout wrote:
> 
> I would like to see a comparison of the P3 and K4 in full screen mode. Is
the K4 scope faster, higher res?


Hi David,

The K4's LCD has nearly 3x the area of the P3's, and 5x as many pixels. The
resolution (pixels per inch) is about 30% greater. It's faster as well as
brighter -- the K4 screen was easily readable in diffuse daylight during
Field Day, while some other rigs' displays were not.

The K4's panadapter area using the standard display format is 25% greater
than the P3's. This doesn't include the per-VFO "mini-pan" displays that
overlay the S-meters, when desired, for fine tuning of signals.

Thanks to the much larger LCD, variations on the panadapter could be created
that are much larger than this, at the expense of some per-receiver icons
and the S-meters. So far we haven't felt the need, partly because the K4
includes an HDMI output that can drive an external monitor of any required
size. This external monitor can be configured to display just the
panadapter, with independent settings from the panadapter on the LCD.

Beyond this the K4 display provides:

- dual-pan mode (separate panadapters for main/A and sub/B)

- single or dual text decode windows

- far more digital signal processing horsepower (in aggregate, 
  roughly an order of magnitude greater than the K3S+P3)

- built-in IQ data streaming for use with computer applications

- a configurable multi-band mode to allow a quick check of activity
  on your favorite bands
 
- more flexibility in terms of display functions

- overlays for various functions (e.g.: DX call station list, 
  help information on all controls, RX/TX graphic EQ, alphanumeric
  keyboard for message/macro/menu entry, etc.); 

- virtually unlimited code space for future expansion; examples
  might include high-performance data decoders, AZ/EL display,
  custom station controls, image display, etc.

In short, the K4's display is much larger and more versatile, providing the
kind of control visibility and convenience that's only possible by
integrating the display into the transceiver itself.

Oh, and it's really fun to use :)

Wayne
N6KR



 
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Re: [Elecraft] I note that the mechanical strengthener for the K3 synthesizers is no longer available

2019-10-31 Thread Keith Trinity WE6R

We still have them, K3STFNR
It comes up on the website.
It is for mechanical vibration pickup dampening, mainly needed on the 
Main as that is used in TX.

Keith WE6R

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[Elecraft] K4 panadapter vs. P3

2019-10-31 Thread Wayne Burdick


> David Stout wrote:
> 
> I would like to see a comparison of the P3 and K4 in full screen mode. Is the 
> K4 scope faster, higher res?


Hi David,

The K4's LCD has nearly 3x the area of the P3's, and 5x as many pixels. The 
resolution (pixels per inch) is about 30% greater. It's faster as well as 
brighter -- the K4 screen was easily readable in diffuse daylight during Field 
Day, while some other rigs' displays were not.

The K4's panadapter area using the standard display format is 25% greater than 
the P3's. This doesn't include the per-VFO "mini-pan" displays that overlay the 
S-meters, when desired, for fine tuning of signals.

Thanks to the much larger LCD, variations on the panadapter could be created 
that are much larger than this, at the expense of some per-receiver icons and 
the S-meters. So far we haven't felt the need, partly because the K4 includes 
an HDMI output that can drive an external monitor of any required size. This 
external monitor can be configured to display just the panadapter, with 
independent settings from the panadapter on the LCD.

Beyond this the K4 display provides:

- dual-pan mode (separate panadapters for main/A and sub/B)

- single or dual text decode windows

- far more digital signal processing horsepower (in aggregate, 
  roughly an order of magnitude greater than the K3S+P3)

- built-in IQ data streaming for use with computer applications

- a configurable multi-band mode to allow a quick check of activity
  on your favorite bands
 
- more flexibility in terms of display functions

- overlays for various functions (e.g.: DX call station list, 
  help information on all controls, RX/TX graphic EQ, alphanumeric
  keyboard for message/macro/menu entry, etc.); 

- virtually unlimited code space for future expansion; examples
  might include high-performance data decoders, AZ/EL display,
  custom station controls, image display, etc.

In short, the K4's display is much larger and more versatile, providing the 
kind of control visibility and convenience that's only possible by integrating 
the display into the transceiver itself.

Oh, and it's really fun to use :)

Wayne
N6KR



 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Delivery

2019-10-31 Thread Ken B via Elecraft
Any update on delivery dates 
Thank you Ken WB8PKK

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  On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 11:32 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - 
Elecraft wrote:   Hi Tom,

I apologize for any confusion on K4 status. We really appreciate the support 
you and others have given us with your K4 orders. 

We’ve been very busy keeping our heads down and working hard finishing key K4 
features and getting everything lined up for production, including getting 
critical long lead parts on order with committed delivery dates. We are being 
very careful about getting this right and not cutting corners. 

I’ll make sure to post updates more often here and via direct emAil to K4 order 
holders as we converge to keep everyone informed and up to date. We’ll also 
make more posts describing some exciting features we are adding to the K4 
design.

We’ll be off line through this weekend at the ARRL Pacificon hamfest.  I’ll 
make sure to post here links to any video interviews we give there on the K4 
and its newest features. 

73,
Eric
elecraft.com
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