Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?

[Wayne Burdick]

We considered offering a faster-than-light option for the virtual-K4 software:  
the EleWarp(tm). But it turned out that, thanks to supply chain issues, we 
can’t get dilithium crystals until 2023. Until then our CW ops will have to be 
content with full-impulse. 

(Did I mention we’re also working on a DX tractor beam?)

Wayne
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> On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Gerry Hull  wrote:
> 
> 
> FB Wayne!!  Can't wait.   I hope the latency will be far better than some (I 
> won't mention) other radios.   
> GL to the team.  Thanks for all the hard work!  Happy Holidays!
> 
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>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 4:19 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:
>> Hi Gerry,
>> 
>> The Virtual K4 software ("VK4") is coming along. Now that we have the 
>> digital voice recorder up and running, we're turning our attention to 
>> streaming audio over ethernet, which is required for VK4.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> > On Dec 22, 2021, at 6:44 AM, Gerry Hull  wrote:
>> > 
>> > I don't see anything about K4 remote software?   Is there none?  No virtual
>> > front panel?
>> > 
>> > What's the plan?
>> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?

[Gerry Hull]

Works great, Fred, if you have very low latency to W7RN.  Sending winkey
over the wire and generating the CW @ the station
has always been flawless for me...  but that works for you, and that's
awesome.  There is no one solution: it's always a systems
problem.

73,

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On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 9:54 PM Fred Jensen  wrote:

> As a proponent of the "Regardless of the MTBF of each part, put enough
> on the rocket and something will always be broken," I opt for fewer is
> better, especially if software/firmware is involved.  I key W7RN
> remotely from my local Winkey on Pin 4 of the I/O connector on the back
> of the RRC-1258.  It is the direct key line to the remote radio,
> bypassing emulations of keyers, control of remote interfaces/remote
> Winkeys, and the like.  My keying, monitored off the air on my P3 and K2
> at home looks and sounds perfect ... all the time. Well other than
> operator-caused errors.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> Gerry Hull wrote on 12/22/2021 4:44 PM:
> > As of today, the combo of the K3s + Mirobit RRC boxes rocks the remote
> > world.  That's not just my humble opinion, its a proven fact via results.
> > In fact, many bypass the audio built into other systems and use RRC boxes
> > to mitigate these issues.
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?

[Fred Jensen]

As a proponent of the "Regardless of the MTBF of each part, put enough 
on the rocket and something will always be broken," I opt for fewer is 
better, especially if software/firmware is involved.  I key W7RN 
remotely from my local Winkey on Pin 4 of the I/O connector on the back 
of the RRC-1258.  It is the direct key line to the remote radio, 
bypassing emulations of keyers, control of remote interfaces/remote 
Winkeys, and the like.  My keying, monitored off the air on my P3 and K2 
at home looks and sounds perfect ... all the time. Well other than 
operator-caused errors.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Gerry Hull wrote on 12/22/2021 4:44 PM:

As of today, the combo of the K3s + Mirobit RRC boxes rocks the remote
world.  That's not just my humble opinion, its a proven fact via results.
In fact, many bypass the audio built into other systems and use RRC boxes
to mitigate these issues.





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Re: [Elecraft] K2 side tone loss on tx

[Michael Carter]

Bob,

You said it's "great on phones."  Is that to say
you experience the sidetone volume decay
only on the internal or external speaker?

What is your headphone impedance?

The sidetone volume is controlled by
MOSFET Q5 on the Control Board.

Are you able to manually vary the
sidetone volume STL and pitch STP
using the Menu?

If you alter the sidetone level STL, does
the sidetone level remain
constant over time at the new volume
setting?

The slow decay of sidetone volume
suggests drift in the Q5 gate voltage (which
controls the MOSFET channel resistance)
or a problem downstream of Q5, including
the op amp filter which smooths the DAC
sidetone waveform.

Mike, K8CN
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?

[Gerry Hull]

Hi Jim,

I've been doing remote ham radio in serious contest stations for about 10
years now...

Though is wasn't me, the guys at ZF1A achieved a 433-QSO-per hour CW rate
on remote, using a K3 and Microbit RRC boxes.  On non-ideal Internet paths,
I typically reach 175+ hour rates on CW.  This is not to brag -- it is to
illusttate that overall latency in Internet remote operation is really not
a factor in well-designed systems.  Like you say, Jim, there are many
things that contribute to overall latency.

In a previous life, i worked in broadcast TV video and audio systems, on
the Windows platform.  Audio latency was there, but mitigated by proper
techniques.


The so-called, self-proclaimed "leader" in remote amateur radiio systems
has serious problems with latency   -- so bad that I've had to resort to
using third-party, open source audio software with very low latency to
overcome issues.

As of today, the combo of the K3s + Mirobit RRC boxes rocks the remote
world.  That's not just my humble opinion, its a proven fact via results.
In fact, many bypass the audio built into other systems and use RRC boxes
to mitigate these issues.

I'm just hoping the excellent Elecraft engineering team can approach the
same level of performance in the V4 remote.

73,

Gerry W1VE

On Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 4:45 PM Jim Brown  wrote:

> On 12/22/2021 1:31 PM, Rich Lim via Elecraft wrote:
> > Solve the latency issue and we all hit the jackpot!
>
> We can't "solve" the latency issue, we can only minimize it. Latency in
> any system is the sum of the latencies of all parts of the path. The
> parts of it under Elecraft's control are those associated with their
> hardware, signal processing, and control software, and how much
> information must be transmitted to accomplish remote operation. Most of
> the latency in most systems is the signal path outside our electronics.
> In pro sound reinforcement, it's the path of sound waves through the air
> from loudspeakers to performers and the audience. In our RC systems,
> it's the path through "the cloud."
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Need a logger recommendation

[G4GNX]

I too am looking for different logging software. I want to control a K3S, 
IC9700 and IC7100 plus one other.

DXLab Suite sounds like it could work for me, but I need to know if it also has 
a good Net Control facility. Do you happen to know?

73,
Alan - G4GNX



> On 22 Dec 2021, at 23:25, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Can anyone recommend a good logger that includes some kind of alert
>> via text or email when a spot appears for one I need?
> DXLab Suite (DXKeeper, SpotCollector, etc.) by AA6YQ
>  
> 
> SpotCollector also includes the ability to generate text/e-mail alerts.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
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Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Need a logger recommendation

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Can anyone recommend a good logger that includes some kind of alert
via text or email when a spot appears for one I need?

DXLab Suite (DXKeeper, SpotCollector, etc.) by AA6YQ
  

SpotCollector also includes the ability to generate text/e-mail alerts.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-12-22 4:30 PM, Brian F. Wruble wrote:

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From: Brian F. Wruble 
Date: Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 4:20 PM
Subject: Need a logger recommendation
To: DX List , DX Reflector 


I have been using CommCAT (by Howard, W6HN) for at least  15 years.  I have
been a beta tester.  It has one feature that really set it apart.  Every
time a DX spot  appeared that I needed for a new bend, mode, both, grid,
etc., CommCAT could send a text message or an email to my iPhone.  W6HN has
stopped supporting the program, and the text alert function is gone.

Can anyone recommend a good logger that includes some kind of alert via
text or email when a spot appears for one I need?

Thanks.  Happy New Year to all.

73,

Brian, W3BW

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?

[Jim Brown]

On 12/22/2021 1:31 PM, Rich Lim via Elecraft wrote:

Solve the latency issue and we all hit the jackpot!


We can't "solve" the latency issue, we can only minimize it. Latency in 
any system is the sum of the latencies of all parts of the path. The 
parts of it under Elecraft's control are those associated with their 
hardware, signal processing, and control software, and how much 
information must be transmitted to accomplish remote operation. Most of 
the latency in most systems is the signal path outside our electronics. 
In pro sound reinforcement, it's the path of sound waves through the air 
from loudspeakers to performers and the audience. In our RC systems, 
it's the path through "the cloud."


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?

[Rich Lim via Elecraft]

Excellent!  Solve the latency issue and we all hit the jackpot! 

Curious Wayne, do you have a stand alone hardware solution on the opposite end 
of the remoted K4 station planned? It would be great to have something like the 
old K3/0 but for the K4 complete w/ Paddle plug in and headphone outputs.
RichKQ9L
 

On Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 03:20:10 PM CST, Wayne Burdick 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Gerry,

The Virtual K4 software ("VK4") is coming along. Now that we have the digital 
voice recorder up and running, we're turning our attention to streaming audio 
over ethernet, which is required for VK4.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Dec 22, 2021, at 6:44 AM, Gerry Hull  wrote:
> 
> I don't see anything about K4 remote software?  Is there none?  No virtual
> front panel?
> 
> What's the plan?
> 
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[Elecraft] Fwd: Need a logger recommendation

[Brian F. Wruble]

-- Forwarded message -
From: Brian F. Wruble 
Date: Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 4:20 PM
Subject: Need a logger recommendation
To: DX List , DX Reflector 


I have been using CommCAT (by Howard, W6HN) for at least  15 years.  I have
been a beta tester.  It has one feature that really set it apart.  Every
time a DX spot  appeared that I needed for a new bend, mode, both, grid,
etc., CommCAT could send a text message or an email to my iPhone.  W6HN has
stopped supporting the program, and the text alert function is gone.

Can anyone recommend a good logger that includes some kind of alert via
text or email when a spot appears for one I need?

Thanks.  Happy New Year to all.

73,

Brian, W3BW
-- 

   *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
The Conch Republic
"We seceded where others failed."





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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?

[Gerry Hull]

FB Wayne!!  Can't wait.   I hope the latency will be far better than some
(I won't mention) other radios.
GL to the team.  Thanks for all the hard work!  Happy Holidays!

Gerry Hull, *W1VE  *Hancock, NH USA
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 4:19 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> Hi Gerry,
>
> The Virtual K4 software ("VK4") is coming along. Now that we have the
> digital voice recorder up and running, we're turning our attention to
> streaming audio over ethernet, which is required for VK4.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> > On Dec 22, 2021, at 6:44 AM, Gerry Hull  wrote:
> >
> > I don't see anything about K4 remote software?   Is there none?  No
> virtual
> > front panel?
> >
> > What's the plan?
> >
> > Gerry Hull, *W1VE  *Hancock, NH USA
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi Gerry,

The Virtual K4 software ("VK4") is coming along. Now that we have the digital 
voice recorder up and running, we're turning our attention to streaming audio 
over ethernet, which is required for VK4.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Dec 22, 2021, at 6:44 AM, Gerry Hull  wrote:
> 
> I don't see anything about K4 remote software?   Is there none?  No virtual
> front panel?
> 
> What's the plan?
> 
> Gerry Hull, *W1VE  *Hancock, NH USA
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[Elecraft] K2 side tone loss on tx

[Robert Calver via Elecraft]

Guys
During tx, after a minute or so, the side tone level decreases until it drops 
out.
Great on phones. Any ideas?

Thanks
Bob Calver
G4JGX

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[Elecraft] FS: K3 Filters, WX0B Rat Pak, LP-100A Wattmeter

[Julius Fazekas via Elecraft]

I have the following items available for sale:
K3 Crystal Filters:  Elecraft KFLA-400 (have 2) $150 each ; Elecraft KFLA-1.8K 
$150 ; Elecraft KFLA-500 $140 ; UNPCBS (made by INRAD) 700 Hz (these were 
special order and can be useful for contesting) $150 each. Includes US shipping.
Array Solutions WX0B RatPak - Six antenna 3 kW  remote switch without 
controller, SO-239 connectors. I bought this for a SO2R project that never 
happened. It's never been used, has a pigtail included (use or not). A couple 
scuffs on the case. $200 shipped US.
TelePost Inc. LP-100A Digital Vector Wattmeter by N8LP. I am the original 
owner, only used a couple times. 1500W coupler and cables from coupler to 
display (I've misplaced the power cable and manual) $375 shipped US.
Thinking of selling one of my K3 radios (4461), if anyone is interested, NOT 
upgraded to K3S (KAT100, KPA100, KDVR, KXV3, KRX3)...
Paypal, MO, PMO, Teller's check, cash (if local, Knoxville, Tn area) Good on QRZ

Thanks for reading and best wishes to all for the holidays and a very happy new 
year!

Julius Fazekas
N2WN

Elecraft K3/100 #366
Elecraft K3/100 #4461
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Re: [Elecraft] Kat500 Firmwar

[Richard Gilley]

Thank you for your response.

Looks like I can down load 1.21.10.9, after download and Extraction I have the 
message Extraction completed successfully but the header still has 1.19..9.6.

I do have access to the KAT, so will leave it at that for now, too much time 
waisted.

Thank you again and to all those that responded

> On Dec 20, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Bob McGraw  wrote:
> 
> Richard et al:
> 
> Just checked my KAT500 and it had V1.75 installed.  Then with the KAT500 
> Utility, version 1.21.9.15, I did download the firmware from the Elecraft 
> site and install V2.05 into my KAT500.   I saw no issues.  Running a Windows 
> 10 Pro 64 bit computer.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
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>> Message: 23
>> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 19:18:48 -0500
>> From: Richard Gilley
>> To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Kat500 Firmware
>> Message-ID:<1b3a4757-fc90-4c7c-a560-807c9de63...@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  Having difficulty loading latest version of the Kat500 utility.  The 
>> version I have is 01.75, the utility indicates that 2.05 is available.  
>> However the new version does not load but the message ? Input hex file is 
>> corrupt, check sum is not zero?
>> 
>> I have the same issue attempting to load a Mac and Linux.
>> 
>> Perhaps 2.05 is not available?  Or is there a fix I am not aware of, or 
>> perhaps it is not necessary to upgrade?
>> 
>> Thank you for your interest. Help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Best
>> AD1G
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[Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?

[Gerry Hull]

I don't see anything about K4 remote software?   Is there none?  No virtual
front panel?

What's the plan?

Gerry Hull, *W1VE  *Hancock, NH USA
CWOps #191 | YCCC | CanAm Contest Coalition | Maritime Contest Club
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