Re: [Elecraft] PRIVATE Re: Field Day Operation

2023-07-10 Thread Jim Brown

Right.  Bad fingers.

On 7/10/2023 8:17 AM, Kent Trimble wrote:

Jim ...

There was no FTDX1000.

FTDX5000 maybe?

Kent
K9ZTV


On 7/10/2023 5:40 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
It was motivated by complaints by WRTC participants of trash 
competitors in the same group of sites were generating with rigs like 
the FTDX1000.






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Re: [Elecraft] Field Day Operation

2023-07-10 Thread Jim Brown

On 7/9/2023 11:32 PM, dyno lab wrote:

However, a new K3s Retrofit RF power amplifier is coming on the market that 
will resolve this problem and it may be seen in my W7YNC Bio at QRZ.com


Engineering is NOT defined as producing an ideal product, but one with 
certain user objectives, one of which is operation from 13.8VDC, and in 
a compact package that can be carried on an airplane to a DX operation. 
The K3 solves the latter design objectives quite well; while it's IMD is 
not wonderful at 100W, it's pretty good at the 25-50W level need to 
drive most power amps, and the real enemy of two radios in close 
proximity on the same band, phase noise, is spectacularly good. What 
matters about IMD are clicks and splatter when the signal is loudest, 
usually when it is driving a legal limit amp.


It's a byproduct of my work in the highest levels of pro audio, where I 
learned not to make the lab measurements of a distortion, but to measure 
the practical effects of it, clicks and splatter. And modern spectrum 
analyzers, like the P3/SVGA and lots of SDRs with good software blow 
away the lab gear for these measurements by at least two orders of 
magnitude! The frequency resolution of my HP8590D is only 100 Hz, 
compared to the P3 at a few Hz and the P3SVGA 10x better! Yes, the P3 
can display only 80 dB of its 100 dB dynamic range on screen, but the 
bodies are buried in the range of 40-70 dB down!


The K3 is a spectacularly good neighbor on CW, thanks to the carefully 
shaped keying -- my neighbor K6XX and I, about 3 miles apart, can run 
legal limit to serious antennas and work within 500 Hz of each other 
when contesting. And thanks to the control of phase noise, our CQP team 
could run K3s with KPA500s on the same band with in-line dipoles and 
Yagis from 80-10M.


At home, I learned that could run two K3s and Ten Tec legal limit 
3CX800A7 amps on the SAME BAND, 20M and above, within 60 kHz of each 
other, feeding Yagis separated by 100 ft, colinear to each other, and 
not know the other transmitter was there!


There is FAR more to life than measurements of IMD test signals! A FAR 
better test of IMD is the measurement of the bandwidth of a signal using 
spectrum analysis capable of very narrow resolution bandwidth, like the 
P3 (a few Hz), or even better, the P3/SVGA (a few fractional Hz). 
Download and study

http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf
and
http://k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf

The first link shows measurements of my K3, pre-upgraded synths, driving 
a Ten Tec 425 (2 3CX800A7s), a KPA500, and another amp I sold as soon as 
I realized how dirty it was compared to the others. The second link is 
my analysis data ARRL Labs sent me in electronic form of their 
measurements of more than a dozen rigs, plotting all on the same graph 
making comparison jump out at you! It was motivated by complaints by 
WRTC participants of trash competitors in the same group of sites were 
generating with rigs like the FTDX1000.


BTW -- after I'd done the work for the first link, Warren Pratt, NR0V, 
inventor of Pure Signal and long-time running partner of Rob Sherwood, 
NC0B, demonstrated to me that the RX in the $900 ANAN transceiver could 
display fractional Hz resolution with 120 dB dynamic range with his 
software (for ANAN) running the radio. I bought one to use in my 
measurement lab! I've never used it as a transceiver.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Field Day Operation

2023-07-10 Thread dyno lab
Dave, et al,

The K3s is one of several 1.8 to 54MHz transceivers that has suffered the 
consequences of using VMOS FETs in their final amplifiers.
And some, even if tuned as well as possible to minimize splatter, will not be 
considered friendly neighbors on the congested bands of today.

However, a new K3s Retrofit RF power amplifier is coming on the market that 
will resolve this problem and it may be seen in my W7YNC Bio at QRZ.com

73,
Hal
W7YNC



> On 07/08/2023 7:39 AM PDT Dave  wrote:
> 
>  
> Almost any rig can turn from “one of the best” to “one of the worst” if it is 
> misadjusted. 
> 
> We as hams should be willing to provide constructive criticism to those with 
> issues and more importantly be willing to receive constructive criticism. 
> 
> 73
> Dave wo2x
> 
> Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. 
> 
> > On Jul 8, 2023, at 10:24 AM, Andy Durbin  wrote:
> > 
> > Just a few comments on dirty signals and the rigs that can, if badly 
> > adjusted, produce them.
> > 
> > I've been using a Kenwood TS-590S for about 10 years.  I was asked to give 
> > a couple of digital modes presentations to the local club .  I was seeing 
> > so many foul JT65, and now FT8 signals, that I wanted to use my TS-590S to 
> > produce bad signal examples and show the operator errors that caused them.  
> > I tried everything I knew and could not make my TS-590 produce anything but 
> > a clean signal.  I had to resort to my library of screen captures of other 
> > station's signals for my presentation.
> > 
> > On the other hand, one of the worst FT8 signals I ever saw was transmitted 
> > by a very experienced local operator using a K3.  He fixed the problem as 
> > soon as he saw my screen shots.
> > 
> > Just because someone told you the K3 is the best rig ever made does not 
> > mean it can't produce some really nasty signals!
> > 
> > Andy, k3wyc
> > 
> > 
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