Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?
Nice post, Jim. Yaesu was giving mousepads this year, not hats. So apparently, even the new, independent Yaesu can't afford to give away hats. I bought a hat from Elecraft this year and didn't mind doing it. I then went over to the embroidery booth and spent another $10 putting my call on the hat, so I actually was dumb enough to spend $22 on my hat. Elecraft is never going to be Yaesu, and that suits me just fine. Elecraft has sold 7100 K3s. Yaesu has probably sold ten times as many FT2000/5000/9000s. Plus Yaesu sells HTs and mobiles along with hundreds of overpriced accessories (check the price of the non-upgradable DMU2000 to prove my point). So one cannot really compare the two companies. I also really like the fact that Elecraft upgrades the K3 and doesn't make me buy a new rig every couple of years to keep up with improvements. So, those people complaining about Elecraft's tight purse strings should take a minute to stop and think about why. 73, Scott, N9AA On 5/19/13 3:17 PM, Jim Lowman wrote: That said, a couple of things. First of all, I'm not certain that Yaesu was giving away caps. I saw some, but they could have been from a prior event. Second, in talking with Lisa, she said that these were not $2 caps. I can see that they are made very well, and the Elecraft name and logo are embroidered. It's a dark blue color, which is my favorite. Third (okay, I lied), Elecraft is not Yaesu -yet. I'm sure that it cost quite a bit for booth space, travel, lodging and meals for the number of staffers who came along, and for shipping all of their display equipment both ways. The first time I stopped to talk with Lisa, a guy bought a KX3 with - cash! Wow! The second time, Lisa gave caps to another guy and his YL/XYL (or he may have paid for them; I don't know) but she said that he bought $10,000 worth of Elecraft products. You know, when this discussion began, I felt a bit ashamed to be a member of this fraternity. Same for whoever complained about not being able to get the convention discount when he didn't attend the convention. We hams have a reputation for being cheap, but if we can afford to buy the various Elecraft products, can't we afford to pay for a nicely-made cap? 73 de Jim - AD6CW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?
Good idea, Don - have your name, callsign and the Elecraft logo embroidered on the cap, much like Rose does for the covers and carrying cases for the Elecraft transceivers. Dave, point taken. Whoever came up with the idea of using shirts, caps, visors, etc. for advertising must be a millionaire. I'm guilty of abetting numerous ham vendors, microbreweries, etc. by buying T-shirts that advertise their company and products. I'm not big on caps, but I did buy one of the caps from Lisa at the Elecraft booth. Getting thinner on top is beginning to necessitate wearing one. That said, a couple of things. First of all, I'm not certain that Yaesu was giving away caps. I saw some, but they could have been from a prior event. Second, in talking with Lisa, she said that these were not $2 caps. I can see that they are made very well, and the Elecraft name and logo are embroidered. It's a dark blue color, which is my favorite. Third (okay, I lied), Elecraft is not Yaesu -yet. I'm sure that it cost quite a bit for booth space, travel, lodging and meals for the number of staffers who came along, and for shipping all of their display equipment both ways. The first time I stopped to talk with Lisa, a guy bought a KX3 with - cash! Wow! The second time, Lisa gave caps to another guy and his YL/XYL (or he may have paid for them; I don't know) but she said that he bought $10,000 worth of Elecraft products. You know, when this discussion began, I felt a bit ashamed to be a member of this fraternity. Same for whoever complained about not being able to get the convention discount when he didn't attend the convention. We hams have a reputation for being cheap, but if we can afford to buy the various Elecraft products, can't we afford to pay for a nicely-made cap? 73 de Jim - AD6CW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?
So don't buy one...pretty simple and doesn't waste a lot of bandwidth proselytizing on the reflector. Greg-N4CC From: Dyarnes [mailto:w7...@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 10:33 AM To: elecraft yahoo groups Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft_K3] Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hats at Dayton? Hi All, I’ve never been particularly interested in paying for the “privilege” of advertising someone’s commercial product. It’s one thing to buy your shirt, hat, or whatever, with a club logo or name when it’s a non-commercial entity. However, there is something dissatisfying in functioning as a “billboard” and paying to do it. Yaesu, and some others, pass out stuff like this for free at Dayton. There’s a reason they do that. It gets their name out there—en masse—and they have obviously concluded that the expense is justified. Perhaps they view it more as “customer relations”, but I doubt it. There is “method to their madness”. Most of the time these items are purchased in bulk, and at very nominal cost. Sports figures wear logo apparel but they don’t pay to do it—they get paid! And a bunch of those folks are people you’ve never heard of, or may never hear about! Not that we deserve to get paid, but I don’t think we should have to “contribute” to their advertising budget either. There is great value (apparently) in just getting your name out there, and you might be surprised how much some companies will pay just to influence a single potential customer. What really gets me is when we are expected to pay “top dollar” for something with a company logo on it. Not only are they using us as a billboard, but they are also making a profit center for themselves out of the process. Crazy! Yeah, I know, it is gratifying to many to have somebody’s logo on their hat, shirt, or whatever. If that really appeals to you then I have no argument against it. Besides, maybe you just need a hat or shirt, and this is a convenient way to get one. It just doesn’t appeal to me. Actually, every so often (but not very often) I see something like that which really looks “cool” and seems particularly attractive. But it’s usually not the logo, it’s the style or unique nature of it that is attractive. I’m not much of a “fashion plate” when it comes to hats anyway. I usually wear a somewhat goofy looking terrycloth bucket hat, mainly because it is imminently more practical (I can wet it down if it’s hot—like on the golf course, and it shades my face better). I do have a rather cool looking baseball cap which has Begali’s logo on it. It’s good looking (I think), and unique. I greatly admire Begali products, so I’m happy to wear it and be a “billboard” for him. The clincher, though, is that Piero gave it to me, I didn’t have to buy it! I also greatly admire Elecraft products—I certainly have enough of them! However, I don’t feel inclined to pay to advertise for them. But, maybe they will come up with something that is so good looking I would be inclined to do so. That would be different! Obviously there are many out there who won’t agree with what I have said. There seems to be something of a “frenzy” going on about having an Elecraft hat. Nevertheless, several have expressed disappointment that they weren’t free. So, I guess I might have at least a few folks who sympathize with my view. Dave W7AQK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?
Read your post while drinking my morning cup of joe. I laughed so hard coffee came out of my nose! Frank - W6NEK - Original Message - From: "W4SK" To: "Dyarnes" ; "elecraft yahoo groups" Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton? I would have bought a hat, but could not decide if I wanted elevated radials on it. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?
I have no 'quarrel' in this, but if you post your question on towert...@contesting.com you will find many qualified to answer your antenna question there. Good luck and 73, Tom - W4BQF > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On > Behalf Of W4SK > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:06 AM > To: Dyarnes; elecraft yahoo groups > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton? > > I would have bought a hat, but could not decide if I wanted elevated radials > on it. > > John T. Gwin > jtg...@comcast.net > judgejohng...@wilsoncountytn.com > - Original Message - > From: "Dyarnes" > To: "elecraft yahoo groups" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton? > > > > Hi All, > > > > I’ve never been particularly interested in paying for the “privilege” of > > advertising someone’s commercial product. It’s one thing to buy your > > shirt, hat, or whatever, with a club logo or name when it’s a > > non-commercial entity. However, there is something dissatisfying in > > functioning as a “billboard” and paying to do it. Yaesu, and some others, > > pass out stuff like this for free at Dayton. There’s a reason they do > > that. It gets their name out there—en masse—and they have obviously > > concluded that the expense is justified. Perhaps they view it more as > > “customer relations”, but I doubt it. There is “method to their madness”. > > Most of the time these items are purchased in bulk, and at very nominal > > cost. > > > > Sports figures wear logo apparel but they don’t pay to do it—they get > > paid! And a bunch of those folks are people you’ve never heard of, or may > > never hear about! Not that we deserve to get paid, but I don’t think we > > should have to “contribute” to their advertising budget either. There is > > great value (apparently) in just getting your name out there, and you > > might be surprised how much some companies will pay just to influence a > > single potential customer. > > > > What really gets me is when we are expected to pay “top dollar” for > > something with a company logo on it. Not only are they using us as a > > billboard, but they are also making a profit center for themselves out of > > the process. Crazy! > > > > Yeah, I know, it is gratifying to many to have somebody’s logo on their > > hat, shirt, or whatever. If that really appeals to you then I have no > > argument against it. Besides, maybe you just need a hat or shirt, and > > this is a convenient way to get one. It just doesn’t appeal to me. > > Actually, every so often (but not very often) I see something like that > > which really looks “cool” and seems particularly attractive. But it’s > > usually not the logo, it’s the style or unique nature of it that is > > attractive. > > > > I’m not much of a “fashion plate” when it comes to hats anyway. I usually > > wear a somewhat goofy looking terrycloth bucket hat, mainly because it is > > imminently more practical (I can wet it down if it’s hot—like on the golf > > course, and it shades my face better). I do have a rather cool looking > > baseball cap which has Begali’s logo on it. It’s good looking (I think), > > and unique. I greatly admire Begali products, so I’m happy to wear it and > > be a “billboard” for him. The clincher, though, is that Piero gave it to > > me, I didn’t have to buy it! I also greatly admire Elecraft products—I > > certainly have enough of them! However, I don’t feel inclined to pay to > > advertise for them. But, maybe they will come up with something that is > > so good looking I would be inclined to do so. That would be different! > > > > Obviously there are many out there who won’t agree with what I have said. > > There seems to be something of a “frenzy” going on about having an > > Elecraft hat. Nevertheless, several have expressed disappointment that > > they weren’t free. So, I guess I might have at least a few folks who > > sympathize with my view. > > > > Dave W7AQK > > > > > > > > From: Goldtr8 (KD8NNU) > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 5:36 AM > > To: elecraft yahoo groups > > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: [Elecraft_K3] Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hats at Dayton? > > > > > > I did purchase a hat at Dayton yesterday. > > > > Maybe we can convince Elecraft to work with one
Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?
But... you could have gotten a discount on the har! On 5/19/2013 8:05 AM, W4SK wrote: I would have bought a hat, but could not decide if I wanted elevated radials on it. John T. Gwin jtg...@comcast.net judgejohng...@wilsoncountytn.com -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?
I would have bought a hat, but could not decide if I wanted elevated radials on it. John T. Gwin jtg...@comcast.net judgejohng...@wilsoncountytn.com - Original Message - From: "Dyarnes" To: "elecraft yahoo groups" Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton? Hi All, I’ve never been particularly interested in paying for the “privilege” of advertising someone’s commercial product. It’s one thing to buy your shirt, hat, or whatever, with a club logo or name when it’s a non-commercial entity. However, there is something dissatisfying in functioning as a “billboard” and paying to do it. Yaesu, and some others, pass out stuff like this for free at Dayton. There’s a reason they do that. It gets their name out there—en masse—and they have obviously concluded that the expense is justified. Perhaps they view it more as “customer relations”, but I doubt it. There is “method to their madness”. Most of the time these items are purchased in bulk, and at very nominal cost. Sports figures wear logo apparel but they don’t pay to do it—they get paid! And a bunch of those folks are people you’ve never heard of, or may never hear about! Not that we deserve to get paid, but I don’t think we should have to “contribute” to their advertising budget either. There is great value (apparently) in just getting your name out there, and you might be surprised how much some companies will pay just to influence a single potential customer. What really gets me is when we are expected to pay “top dollar” for something with a company logo on it. Not only are they using us as a billboard, but they are also making a profit center for themselves out of the process. Crazy! Yeah, I know, it is gratifying to many to have somebody’s logo on their hat, shirt, or whatever. If that really appeals to you then I have no argument against it. Besides, maybe you just need a hat or shirt, and this is a convenient way to get one. It just doesn’t appeal to me. Actually, every so often (but not very often) I see something like that which really looks “cool” and seems particularly attractive. But it’s usually not the logo, it’s the style or unique nature of it that is attractive. I’m not much of a “fashion plate” when it comes to hats anyway. I usually wear a somewhat goofy looking terrycloth bucket hat, mainly because it is imminently more practical (I can wet it down if it’s hot—like on the golf course, and it shades my face better). I do have a rather cool looking baseball cap which has Begali’s logo on it. It’s good looking (I think), and unique. I greatly admire Begali products, so I’m happy to wear it and be a “billboard” for him. The clincher, though, is that Piero gave it to me, I didn’t have to buy it! I also greatly admire Elecraft products—I certainly have enough of them! However, I don’t feel inclined to pay to advertise for them. But, maybe they will come up with something that is so good looking I would be inclined to do so. That would be different! Obviously there are many out there who won’t agree with what I have said. There seems to be something of a “frenzy” going on about having an Elecraft hat. Nevertheless, several have expressed disappointment that they weren’t free. So, I guess I might have at least a few folks who sympathize with my view. Dave W7AQK From: Goldtr8 (KD8NNU) Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 5:36 AM To: elecraft yahoo groups Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft_K3] Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hats at Dayton? I did purchase a hat at Dayton yesterday. Maybe we can convince Elecraft to work with one of those suppliers who do hats and allow us order direct and then we could get our Call Sign added at the time of purchase. I know this can be done. Then Elecraft does not have to bother directly with the hat guys. If you take it to the full extreme we could maybe have hats and shirts and look cool at field days, club events and ham shows. Not sure about tattoos :-) Elecraft would have to do something to make this happen as they are the owners of the trademark. ~73 Don KD8NNU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6329 - Release Date: 05/16/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help sup
Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?
Hi All, I’ve never been particularly interested in paying for the “privilege” of advertising someone’s commercial product. It’s one thing to buy your shirt, hat, or whatever, with a club logo or name when it’s a non-commercial entity. However, there is something dissatisfying in functioning as a “billboard” and paying to do it. Yaesu, and some others, pass out stuff like this for free at Dayton. There’s a reason they do that. It gets their name out there—en masse—and they have obviously concluded that the expense is justified. Perhaps they view it more as “customer relations”, but I doubt it. There is “method to their madness”. Most of the time these items are purchased in bulk, and at very nominal cost. Sports figures wear logo apparel but they don’t pay to do it—they get paid! And a bunch of those folks are people you’ve never heard of, or may never hear about! Not that we deserve to get paid, but I don’t think we should have to “contribute” to their advertising budget either. There is great value (apparently) in just getting your name out there, and you might be surprised how much some companies will pay just to influence a single potential customer. What really gets me is when we are expected to pay “top dollar” for something with a company logo on it. Not only are they using us as a billboard, but they are also making a profit center for themselves out of the process. Crazy! Yeah, I know, it is gratifying to many to have somebody’s logo on their hat, shirt, or whatever. If that really appeals to you then I have no argument against it. Besides, maybe you just need a hat or shirt, and this is a convenient way to get one. It just doesn’t appeal to me. Actually, every so often (but not very often) I see something like that which really looks “cool” and seems particularly attractive. But it’s usually not the logo, it’s the style or unique nature of it that is attractive. I’m not much of a “fashion plate” when it comes to hats anyway. I usually wear a somewhat goofy looking terrycloth bucket hat, mainly because it is imminently more practical (I can wet it down if it’s hot—like on the golf course, and it shades my face better). I do have a rather cool looking baseball cap which has Begali’s logo on it. It’s good looking (I think), and unique. I greatly admire Begali products, so I’m happy to wear it and be a “billboard” for him. The clincher, though, is that Piero gave it to me, I didn’t have to buy it! I also greatly admire Elecraft products—I certainly have enough of them! However, I don’t feel inclined to pay to advertise for them. But, maybe they will come up with something that is so good looking I would be inclined to do so. That would be different! Obviously there are many out there who won’t agree with what I have said. There seems to be something of a “frenzy” going on about having an Elecraft hat. Nevertheless, several have expressed disappointment that they weren’t free. So, I guess I might have at least a few folks who sympathize with my view. Dave W7AQK From: Goldtr8 (KD8NNU) Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 5:36 AM To: elecraft yahoo groups Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft_K3] Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hats at Dayton? I did purchase a hat at Dayton yesterday. Maybe we can convince Elecraft to work with one of those suppliers who do hats and allow us order direct and then we could get our Call Sign added at the time of purchase. I know this can be done. Then Elecraft does not have to bother directly with the hat guys. If you take it to the full extreme we could maybe have hats and shirts and look cool at field days, club events and ham shows. Not sure about tattoos :-) Elecraft would have to do something to make this happen as they are the owners of the trademark. ~73 Don KD8NNU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
