Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning
Sorry about the empty message. Not sure what happened. Wanted to close the loop on this. Thanks to those that responded off-list. I was running MCU 1.57 firmware which is where I was seeing high current warnings. I hadn't noticed the changes in MCU 1.61 but just upgraded to MCU 1.79 and can now complete the calibration. All good now! 73, Tighe Tighe Kuykendall NK4I | www.NK4I.com http://www.NK4I.com | Follow Me on Twitter: @NK4I ARRL Life Member, NAQCC #6467 On 12/21/13, 9:25 AM, Tighe Kuykendall wrote: Similar issue here for a while. When I first built the KX3 it calibrated out using the KX3 utility fine. Several months later (Summer 2013) I was at the bench and re-ran the calibrations using a power supply and dummy load. Cal failed on 10m with High Current. I upgraded firmware and checked everything I could think of including doing the calibrations manually. Called Elecraft support to discuss and decided I should check all mechanical connections inside the KX3. I disassembled and tightened everything. Still no luck to date with the calibration above 10M. Luckily I don't operate the KX3 on 10/6m much, so living with a 5W limit is tolerable. Although a solution would be nice. Tighe NK4I __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning
Similar issue here for a while. When I first built the KX3 it calibrated out using the KX3 utility fine. Several months later (Summer 2013) I was at the bench and re-ran the calibrations using a power supply and dummy load. Cal failed on 10m with High Current. I upgraded firmware and checked everything I could think of including doing the calibrations manually. Called Elecraft support to discuss and decided I should check all mechanical connections inside the KX3. I disassembled and tightened everything. Still no luck to date with the calibration above 10M. Luckily I don't operate the KX3 on 10/6m much, so living with a 5W limit is tolerable. Although a solution would be nice. Tighe NK4I On 12/13/13 11:25 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: The KX3 and all other Elecraft transceivers that use a similar power control mechanism will attempt to maintain the requested power output. If the power supply voltage drops, the current must increase to maintain the requested power output. That often means that the High Current threshold will be reached even though everything is OK. So check the supply voltage if you see High Current indicated - especially if operating on an external battery. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/13/2013 10:59 AM, Gary Hawkins wrote: Hi Gerry, The unit does not appear to be hot. Gary On 12/13/2013 4:20 AM, Gerry leary wrote: Is the radio getting too hot? Sent from my iPhone this time On Dec 12, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Gary Hawkins g...@hawkins-zhu.com wrote: Hi Ron, Thanks for your response but could you clarify. On the 12/10m bands I'm not sure of the VSWR of the antenna, but the VSWR reported by the ATU was 1 to 1, so basically the amp was perfectly matched and should have been OK. Now the fact that I had the radio set for 10W rather than 8W on 12/10m might be an issue if the KX3 was over driving. However, I'd made the assumption that the KX3, knowing it's band, would just limit automatically - that might not have been correct. Gary KK6GXD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning
Hi Mark, Thanks, this seems to be the best explanation as to why the Hi Cur warning is happening. I'm now trying to decide whether to go for LifePo or LiPo. I like fact LiPo have higher voltage per cell thus creating a nominal working voltage around 14.8V but I will likely go for LifePo (nominal working voltage 13.2V) since they seem a lot safer during charging process. Gary KK6GXD On 12/13/2013 10:01 AM, Mark Petiford wrote: Gary, I didn't find the table, but I did find two relevant posts: This was the problem reported by one poster: During xmit at modest power 8 - 9 watts, I occasionally see a msg flash on the display that shows hi curr. It seems that when that happens, the xmit power gets reset to 5.0 watts. I have the battery charger option installed and NiMH batteries in the unit, but have been running from an external 12v gel cell. Sounds quite similar to your experience. There was a response from Myron, WV0H, who has done considerable testing on his KX3: 8-9V will allow you 3W on any band. 9-11V will allow you 5W on any band. 11-13V will allow you 10W on 160-15m, 8W on 12-6m, and HI CURR if you exceed 2.5A. 13-15V will allow you 12W on 160-15m and HI CURR if you exceed 3.0A, or if on 12-6m HI CURR if you exceed 2.5A. If the HI CURR warning shows up, expect to see the power setting throttled back. I have tested some of these data points and my results are very similar to Myron's. In addition, I took a look at some SLA datasheets, and would be very surprised if the voltage at the KX3 during transmit stays above 11v for long. The discharge curve (NOT the same thing as the resting curve, or the charge curve) for SLA's is pretty steep. Combine that with the relatively high internal resistance of the cells, cable/connector drop, and the KX3's reverse polarity protection, and the voltage at the KX3's Power Amplifier tends to get knocked down a lot. I ran successfully ran SLA's for a while after receiving my KX3, but only at 5w and below. I suspect your decision to move to Lifepo/Lipo cells is the right answer if you want to stay in the 8-10 watt range. There are lots of folks using them successfully for that reason. Mark KE6BB From: Gary hawkinsg...@hawkins-zhu.com Sent: Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 9:04 AM To: Mark Petiford rv6am...@yahoo.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning Hi Mark, I have revision C2 of the manual and, if I remember correctly, theimportant power voltage setting is 11V for full power. Thatbeing said, if 13.8V is what is required this may explain what'sgoing on. The SLA nominal voltage is marginal. I'm going topurchase some Lifepo/Lipo batteries to both reduce weight in packand provide a slightly higher nominal voltage. I'm not a member of the Yahoo KX3 user group - perhaps I shouldjoin. If you do find the table you referenced I'd love to see it. Best regards, Gary __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning
Hi Gerry, The unit does not appear to be hot. Gary On 12/13/2013 4:20 AM, Gerry leary wrote: Is the radio getting too hot? Sent from my iPhone this time On Dec 12, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Gary Hawkins g...@hawkins-zhu.com wrote: Hi Ron, Thanks for your response but could you clarify. On the 12/10m bands I'm not sure of the VSWR of the antenna, but the VSWR reported by the ATU was 1 to 1, so basically the amp was perfectly matched and should have been OK. Now the fact that I had the radio set for 10W rather than 8W on 12/10m might be an issue if the KX3 was over driving. However, I'd made the assumption that the KX3, knowing it's band, would just limit automatically - that might not have been correct. Gary KK6GXD On 12/12/2013 6:56 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: Not just low antenna impedance, but high SWR. The output stage is less efficient when the SWR is high so it draws more current to produce the requested output. 73 Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Hawkins Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 4:36 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning On my last two SOTA outings I've experienced HI CURR warning with the KX3. I've read this is associated with low battery voltage or low antenna impedance. I think at one time there was also a software bug associated with specific settings that was fixed with a firmware release. My setup consists of KX3, with ATU, 1/4 wavelength vertical cut for 20m. SLA battery, well charged, operating above 12V under load. Antenna fed from 50ft co-axial cable, 30ft counterpoise connected to ground of KX3. TX power set to 10W Both times I was operating on 15 or 10m. ATU was tuned, showing 1:1.0 match. Does anybody have any idea what is causing the HI CURR warning? After it happens, TX power reduces to 5W. CMP and ALC bars display - no matter what I do I can't get these indicators to go in favor of SWR and RF. Even if I power off the KX3 it still comes up in this display mode. Finally, for no apparent reason, after five to ten minutes it then seems to switch back to SWR and RF display. Looking forward to your input, Gary KK6GXD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning
Gary, The 8 watts that Ralf mentions is correct, but according to the KX3 specifications (Owner's Manual rev. B4, Pg 51), that is possible when using a 13.8 VDC power source. Although I haven't used one for some time, I would be surprised if an SLA battery voltage is that high during transmit. On 15m, It should be able to provide 10w PEP, but only with a 13.8v power supply. Reduce the power setting a few watts, and you may eliminate the problem. The KX3 works differently than the rigs most of us have used (other than Elecraft rigs). When you set the power control to an output power, you are not adjusting the drive into the finals, but instead, you are telling the microprocessor that you want that much power out. The microprocessor then controls drive to the finals to get that output power. As the battery voltage drops, the KX3 microprocessor increases the current level (drive current) to get the requested power out. It is a closed loop system. Since P = E x I, the current must be increased as the voltage goes down to keep P constant at the value you requested. At some point, the KX3 current monitoring notes that too much current is being drawn, reduces the power output to protect itself, and displays the HI CURR message. This has been discussed at great length in the Yahoo KX3 group. Not sure if it has on the Elecraft list. I believe someone there put a table together that shows possible out possible vs. power supply voltage. If I can find it I will reproduce it here, with the proper credit, of course. Mark KE6BB From: Ralf Wilhelmr...@super-deutschland.net Sent: Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 2:24 AM To: Gary Hawkins g...@hawkins-zhu.com CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning Hi Gary,The maximum specified output power of the KX3 is 8 Watts on 12, 10 and 6 meters (I think so).This would explain folding back on 10 but not on 15 meters and certainly does not explain the display issue.GreetingsRalf,DL6OAPAm 13.12.2013 um 01:36 schrieb Gary Hawkins g...@hawkins-zhu.com: On my last two SOTA outings I've experienced HI CURR warning with the KX3. I've read this is associated with low battery voltage or low antenna impedance. I think at one time there was also a software bug associated with specific settings that was fixed with a firmware release. My setup consists of KX3, with ATU, 1/4 wavelength vertical cut for 20m. SLA battery, well charged, operating above 12V under load. Antenna fed from 50ft co-axial cable, 30ft counterpoise connected to ground of KX3. TX power set to 10W Both times I was operating on 15 or 10m. ATU was tuned, showing 1:1.0 match. Does anybody have any idea what is causing the HI CURR warning? After it happens, TX power reduces to 5W. CMP and ALC bars display - no matter what I do I can't get these indicators to go in favor of SWR and RF. Even if I power off the KX3 it still comes up in this display mode. Finally, for no apparent reason, after five to ten minutes it then seems to switch back to SWR and RF display. Looking forward to your input, Gary KK6GXD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html__Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning
The KX3 and all other Elecraft transceivers that use a similar power control mechanism will attempt to maintain the requested power output. If the power supply voltage drops, the current must increase to maintain the requested power output. That often means that the High Current threshold will be reached even though everything is OK. So check the supply voltage if you see High Current indicated - especially if operating on an external battery. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/13/2013 10:59 AM, Gary Hawkins wrote: Hi Gerry, The unit does not appear to be hot. Gary On 12/13/2013 4:20 AM, Gerry leary wrote: Is the radio getting too hot? Sent from my iPhone this time On Dec 12, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Gary Hawkins g...@hawkins-zhu.com wrote: Hi Ron, Thanks for your response but could you clarify. On the 12/10m bands I'm not sure of the VSWR of the antenna, but the VSWR reported by the ATU was 1 to 1, so basically the amp was perfectly matched and should have been OK. Now the fact that I had the radio set for 10W rather than 8W on 12/10m might be an issue if the KX3 was over driving. However, I'd made the assumption that the KX3, knowing it's band, would just limit automatically - that might not have been correct. Gary KK6GXD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning
Hi Mark, I have revision C2 of the manual and, if I remember correctly, the important power voltage setting is 11V for full power. That being said, if 13.8V is what is required this may explain what's going on. The SLA nominal voltage is marginal. I'm going to purchase some Lifepo/Lipo batteries to both reduce weight in pack and provide a slightly higher nominal voltage. I'm not a member of the Yahoo KX3 user group - perhaps I should join. If you do find the table you referenced I'd love to see it. Best regards, Gary On 12/13/2013 8:18 AM, Mark Petiford wrote: Gary, The 8 watts that Ralf mentions is correct, but according to the KX3 specifications (Owner's Manual rev. B4, Pg 51), that is possible when using a 13.8 VDC power source. Although I haven't used one for some time, I would be surprised if an SLA battery voltage is that high during transmit. On 15m, It should be able to provide 10w PEP, but only with a 13.8v power supply. Reduce the power setting a few watts, and you may eliminate the problem. The KX3 works differently than the rigs most of us have used (other than Elecraft rigs). When you set the power control to an output power, you are not adjusting the drive into the finals, but instead, you are telling the microprocessor that you want that much power out. The microprocessor then controls drive to the finals to get that output power. As the battery voltage drops, the KX3 microprocessor increases the current level (drive current) to get the requested power out. It is a closed loop system. Since P = E x I, the current must be increased as the voltage goes down to keep P constant at the value you requested. At some point, the KX3 current monitoring notes that too much current is being drawn, reduces the power output to protect itself, and displays the HI CURR message. This has been discussed at great length in the Yahoo KX3 group. Not sure if it has on the Elecraft list. I believe someone there put a table together that shows possible out possible vs. power supply voltage. If I can find it I will reproduce it here, with the proper credit, of course. Mark KE6BB From: Ralf Wilhelmr...@super-deutschland.net Sent: Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 2:24 AM To: Gary Hawkins g...@hawkins-zhu.com CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning Hi Gary, The maximum specified output power of the KX3 is 8 Watts on 12, 10 and 6 meters (I think so). This would explain folding back on 10 but not on 15 meters and certainly does not explain the display issue. Greetings Ralf,DL6OAP Am 13.12.2013 um 01:36 schrieb Gary Hawkins g...@hawkins-zhu.com: On my last two SOTA outings I've experienced HI CURR warning with the KX3. I've read this is associated with low battery voltage or low antenna impedance. I think at one time there was also a software bug associated with specific settings that was fixed with a firmware release. My setup consists of KX3, with ATU, 1/4 wavelength vertical cut for 20m. SLA battery, well charged, operating above 12V under load. Antenna fed from 50ft co-axial cable, 30ft counterpoise connected to ground of KX3. TX power set to 10W Both times I was operating on 15 or 10m. ATU was tuned, showing 1:1.0 match. Does anybody have any idea what is causing the HI CURR warning? After it happens, TX power reduces to 5W. CMP and ALC bars display - no matter what I do I can't get these indicators to go in favor of SWR and RF. Even if I power off the KX3 it still comes up in this display mode. Finally, for no apparent reason, after five to ten minutes it then seems to switch back to SWR and RF display. Looking forward to your input, Gary KK6GXD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning
Hi Gary: That behavior of your CMP and ALC display is a mystery. There's no reason why you should lose control over switching between those and SWR/RF in sideband mode. I believe that, once you have CMP/ALC displayed, touching any switch should return you to SWR/RF. As with all processor-controlled gear, my first response to such a mystery is restart, reboot and reload. Restarting and rebooting are the same on the KX3, so I'd next reload the firmware. As long as the ATU reports 1:1 the SWR is not causing the high current problem. Of course, a 1:1 SWR means the transmitter output filters inside the KX3 are seeing a 50 ohm non-reactive match provided them by the ATU. What the antenna presents at the BNC connector isn't important when considering the KX3 current demand. The ATU is converting whatever that is to a 50 ohm non-reactive load. The efficiency of the power amplifier stage in the KX3 varies from band to band. So for a given RF output it will draw more or less current from band to band. It's possible that 12/10 might be demanding just enough additional current to trigger the HI CURR. Note, too, that for a given power output the lower the supply voltage the more current is required. So lower voltage supplies bring you closer to a HI CURR situation. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: Gary Hawkins [mailto:g...@hawkins-zhu.com] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:11 PM To: Ron D'Eau Claire; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning Hi Ron, Thanks for your response but could you clarify. On the 12/10m bands I'm not sure of the VSWR of the antenna, but the VSWR reported by the ATU was 1 to 1, so basically the amp was perfectly matched and should have been OK. Now the fact that I had the radio set for 10W rather than 8W on 12/10m might be an issue if the KX3 was over driving. However, I'd made the assumption that the KX3, knowing it's band, would just limit automatically - that might not have been correct. Gary KK6GXD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning
Gary,I didn't find the table, but I did find two relevant posts: This was the problem reported by one poster: During xmit at modest power 8 - 9 watts, I occasionally see a msg flash on the display that shows hi curr. It seems that when that happens, the xmit power gets reset to 5.0 watts. I have the battery charger option installed and NiMH batteries in the unit, but have been running from an external 12v gel cell.Sounds quite similar to your experience. There was a response from Myron, WV0H, who has done considerable testing on his KX3:8-9V will allow you 3W on any band.9-11V will allow you 5W on any band.11-13V will allow you 10W on 160-15m, 8W on 12-6m, and HI CURR if you exceed 2.5A.13-15V will allow you 12W on 160-15m and HI CURR if you exceed 3.0A, or if on 12-6m HI CURR if you exceed 2.5A. If the HI CURR warning shows up, expect to see the power setting throttled back.I have tested some of these data points and my results are very similar to Myron's. In addition, I took a look at some SLA datasheets, and would be very surprised if the voltage at the KX3 during transmit stays above 11v for long. The discharge curve (NOT the same thing as the resting curve, or the charge curve) for SLA's is pretty steep. Combine that with the relatively high internal resistance of the cells, cable/connector drop, and the KX3's reverse polarity protection, and the voltage at the KX3's Power Amplifier tends to get knocked down a lot. I ran successfully ran SLA's for a while after receiving my KX3, but only at 5w and below.I suspect your decision to move to Lifepo/Lipo cells is the right answer if you want to stay in the 8-10 watt range. There are lots of folks using them successfully for that reason.MarkKE6BBFrom: Gary hawkinsg...@hawkins-zhu.comSent: Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 9:04 AMTo: Mark Petiford rv6am...@yahoo.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.netSubject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr WarningHi Mark,I have revision C2 of the manual and, if I remember correctly, theimportant power voltage setting is 11V for full power. Thatbeing said, if 13.8V is what is required this may explain what'sgoing on. The SLA nominal voltage is marginal. I'm going topurchase some Lifepo/Lipo batteries to both reduce weight in packand provide a slightly higher nominal voltage. I'm not a member of the Yahoo KX3 user group - perhaps I shouldjoin. If you do find the table you referenced I'd love to see it.Best regards,Gary __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning
Sorry about the post with only one big paragraph. Sometimes when I trim the post in Yahoo's Win8 e-mail client, it removes the formatting, too. Mark KE6BB From: Mark Petifordrv6am...@yahoo.com Sent: Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:39 AM To: Gary Hawkins g...@hawkins-zhu.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning
On my last two SOTA outings I've experienced HI CURR warning with the KX3. I've read this is associated with low battery voltage or low antenna impedance. I think at one time there was also a software bug associated with specific settings that was fixed with a firmware release. My setup consists of KX3, with ATU, 1/4 wavelength vertical cut for 20m. SLA battery, well charged, operating above 12V under load. Antenna fed from 50ft co-axial cable, 30ft counterpoise connected to ground of KX3. TX power set to 10W Both times I was operating on 15 or 10m. ATU was tuned, showing 1:1.0 match. Does anybody have any idea what is causing the HI CURR warning? After it happens, TX power reduces to 5W. CMP and ALC bars display - no matter what I do I can't get these indicators to go in favor of SWR and RF. Even if I power off the KX3 it still comes up in this display mode. Finally, for no apparent reason, after five to ten minutes it then seems to switch back to SWR and RF display. Looking forward to your input, Gary KK6GXD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning
Hi Gary, The maximum specified output power of the KX3 is 8 Watts on 12, 10 and 6 meters (I think so). This would explain folding back on 10 but not on 15 meters and certainly does not explain the display issue. Greetings Ralf,DL6OAP Am 13.12.2013 um 01:36 schrieb Gary Hawkins g...@hawkins-zhu.com: On my last two SOTA outings I've experienced HI CURR warning with the KX3. I've read this is associated with low battery voltage or low antenna impedance. I think at one time there was also a software bug associated with specific settings that was fixed with a firmware release. My setup consists of KX3, with ATU, 1/4 wavelength vertical cut for 20m. SLA battery, well charged, operating above 12V under load. Antenna fed from 50ft co-axial cable, 30ft counterpoise connected to ground of KX3. TX power set to 10W Both times I was operating on 15 or 10m. ATU was tuned, showing 1:1.0 match. Does anybody have any idea what is causing the HI CURR warning? After it happens, TX power reduces to 5W. CMP and ALC bars display - no matter what I do I can't get these indicators to go in favor of SWR and RF. Even if I power off the KX3 it still comes up in this display mode. Finally, for no apparent reason, after five to ten minutes it then seems to switch back to SWR and RF display. Looking forward to your input, Gary KK6GXD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning
Not just low antenna impedance, but high SWR. The output stage is less efficient when the SWR is high so it draws more current to produce the requested output. 73 Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Hawkins Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 4:36 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning On my last two SOTA outings I've experienced HI CURR warning with the KX3. I've read this is associated with low battery voltage or low antenna impedance. I think at one time there was also a software bug associated with specific settings that was fixed with a firmware release. My setup consists of KX3, with ATU, 1/4 wavelength vertical cut for 20m. SLA battery, well charged, operating above 12V under load. Antenna fed from 50ft co-axial cable, 30ft counterpoise connected to ground of KX3. TX power set to 10W Both times I was operating on 15 or 10m. ATU was tuned, showing 1:1.0 match. Does anybody have any idea what is causing the HI CURR warning? After it happens, TX power reduces to 5W. CMP and ALC bars display - no matter what I do I can't get these indicators to go in favor of SWR and RF. Even if I power off the KX3 it still comes up in this display mode. Finally, for no apparent reason, after five to ten minutes it then seems to switch back to SWR and RF display. Looking forward to your input, Gary KK6GXD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning
Hi Ron, Thanks for your response but could you clarify. On the 12/10m bands I'm not sure of the VSWR of the antenna, but the VSWR reported by the ATU was 1 to 1, so basically the amp was perfectly matched and should have been OK. Now the fact that I had the radio set for 10W rather than 8W on 12/10m might be an issue if the KX3 was over driving. However, I'd made the assumption that the KX3, knowing it's band, would just limit automatically - that might not have been correct. Gary KK6GXD On 12/12/2013 6:56 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: Not just low antenna impedance, but high SWR. The output stage is less efficient when the SWR is high so it draws more current to produce the requested output. 73 Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Hawkins Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 4:36 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Hi Curr Warning On my last two SOTA outings I've experienced HI CURR warning with the KX3. I've read this is associated with low battery voltage or low antenna impedance. I think at one time there was also a software bug associated with specific settings that was fixed with a firmware release. My setup consists of KX3, with ATU, 1/4 wavelength vertical cut for 20m. SLA battery, well charged, operating above 12V under load. Antenna fed from 50ft co-axial cable, 30ft counterpoise connected to ground of KX3. TX power set to 10W Both times I was operating on 15 or 10m. ATU was tuned, showing 1:1.0 match. Does anybody have any idea what is causing the HI CURR warning? After it happens, TX power reduces to 5W. CMP and ALC bars display - no matter what I do I can't get these indicators to go in favor of SWR and RF. Even if I power off the KX3 it still comes up in this display mode. Finally, for no apparent reason, after five to ten minutes it then seems to switch back to SWR and RF display. Looking forward to your input, Gary KK6GXD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
