[Elecraft] Beware of junk mail:
F Y I -- When one sends an e-mail to multiple persons or addresses, PLEASE use the BCC address line for the distribution. Do send the message TO yourself. This minimizes the ability to clone or copy e-mail addresses. By avoiding visible e-mail addresses it is much more difficult to build an spam and junk e-mail address list. That is how most of the junk e-mail originates. 73 Bob, K4TAX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"
In my experience all these sleuthing techniques beyond looking at the sending address are largely a waste of time and money unless you have the ability to pursue the originating entity. My magic is the delete option *** That's what I mostly do too. Sometimes, I call my little boy to show him. He's 10 years old, and will surely be getting his own email soon, and he needs to know how to recognize this stuff. Speaking of pictures - my mailer has a setting to disable showing them inside emails. It can be selectively enabled for specific addresses. The reason for this is that when you see a picture inside an email, it's often a link. Your mailer reads the link and automatically goes & gets the picturefrom the spammer's server. Which gives the spammer a fair amount of information about your machine & environment. - Jerry, KF6VB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"
…and along came AI. The grammatical gaffes will soon become a thing of he past from the larger producers. In my experience all these sleuthing techniques beyond looking at the sending address are largely a waste of time and money unless you have the ability to pursue the originating entity. My magic is the delete option Bob KA9MDP On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 09:25 jerry wrote: > Once you find the initial IP address in the headers, you can use any > number > of online searches to find out who it belongs to. If you get a notice > from > "Fedex", and it's from an IP that belongs to an ISP in Bulgaria, that's > a pretty > good hint. > > I mostly use this sort of search to satisfy my curiosity - but I > generally already > know that it's a scam. Often the English is bad, there are non-native > expressions > etc. But I don't expect that to continue. > > Sooner or later, the scammers will learn to do perfect American > English. Or will they? >I've heard that grammatical gaffes help select for marks who are not > smart or well educated - > because they're where the money is. > > - Jerry, KF6VB > > > > > > On 2024-01-03 07:18, Bill Lederer wrote: > > If you use google mail/gmail, there is a feature called "Show > > Original" that you see if you click the three dots in the upper right > > corner of the email. > > > > You can also report phishing from that drop-down. > > > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 6:08 PM jerry wrote: > > > >> The email address means little. Email systems will accept whatever > >> you > >> type in. What's more meaningful is the originating IP address. > >> That's > >> hard to fake. Most mailers have a "show headers" feature so you can > >> see > >> all the machines that the email passed through. > >> > >> - Jerry, KF6VB > >> > >> On 2024-01-02 14:26, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > >>> This underlines how important it is to use an e-mail program that > >>> displays the originating address. That "you've won a ..." e-mail > >>> from a major retailer is quickly revealed to be from some obscure > >>> address (not Home Depot or Walmart, after all). A couple of days > >> ago, > >>> I received a message purportedly from a relative of my > >> sister-in-law, > >>> who passed away last fall. Happily, the originating address was a > >>> giveaway - "Amanda Rosman ". > >>> > >>> 73, Pete N4ZR > >>> > >>> On 1/2/2024 4:13 PM, Dave wrote: > I don't know if anyone else on the Elecraft list is receiving > >> this > nonsense, but I have reported it for enforcement action to the UK > Government reporting centre. > > 73 Dave G4AON > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email > >> list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered topete.n...@gmail.com > >>> __ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: > >> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> Message delivered to je...@tr2.com > >> __ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to w8lv...@gmail.com > > > > -- > > > > --w8lvn-- > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to b...@bobkehr.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"
Once you find the initial IP address in the headers, you can use any number of online searches to find out who it belongs to. If you get a notice from "Fedex", and it's from an IP that belongs to an ISP in Bulgaria, that's a pretty good hint. I mostly use this sort of search to satisfy my curiosity - but I generally already know that it's a scam. Often the English is bad, there are non-native expressions etc. But I don't expect that to continue. Sooner or later, the scammers will learn to do perfect American English. Or will they? I've heard that grammatical gaffes help select for marks who are not smart or well educated - because they're where the money is. - Jerry, KF6VB On 2024-01-03 07:18, Bill Lederer wrote: If you use google mail/gmail, there is a feature called "Show Original" that you see if you click the three dots in the upper right corner of the email. You can also report phishing from that drop-down. On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 6:08 PM jerry wrote: The email address means little. Email systems will accept whatever you type in. What's more meaningful is the originating IP address. That's hard to fake. Most mailers have a "show headers" feature so you can see all the machines that the email passed through. - Jerry, KF6VB On 2024-01-02 14:26, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: This underlines how important it is to use an e-mail program that displays the originating address. That "you've won a ..." e-mail from a major retailer is quickly revealed to be from some obscure address (not Home Depot or Walmart, after all). A couple of days ago, I received a message purportedly from a relative of my sister-in-law, who passed away last fall. Happily, the originating address was a giveaway - "Amanda Rosman ". 73, Pete N4ZR On 1/2/2024 4:13 PM, Dave wrote: I don't know if anyone else on the Elecraft list is receiving this nonsense, but I have reported it for enforcement action to the UK Government reporting centre. 73 Dave G4AON __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered topete.n...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to je...@tr2.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w8lv...@gmail.com -- --w8lvn-- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"
If you use google mail/gmail, there is a feature called "Show Original" that you see if you click the three dots in the upper right corner of the email. You can also report phishing from that drop-down. On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 6:08 PM jerry wrote: > The email address means little. Email systems will accept whatever you > type in. What's more meaningful is the originating IP address. That's > hard to fake. Most mailers have a "show headers" feature so you can see > all the machines that the email passed through. > > - Jerry, KF6VB > > > On 2024-01-02 14:26, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > > This underlines how important it is to use an e-mail program that > > displays the originating address. That "you've won a ..." e-mail > > from a major retailer is quickly revealed to be from some obscure > > address (not Home Depot or Walmart, after all). A couple of days ago, > > I received a message purportedly from a relative of my sister-in-law, > > who passed away last fall. Happily, the originating address was a > > giveaway - "Amanda Rosman ". > > > > 73, Pete N4ZR > > > > On 1/2/2024 4:13 PM, Dave wrote: > >> I don't know if anyone else on the Elecraft list is receiving this > >> nonsense, but I have reported it for enforcement action to the UK > >> Government reporting centre. > >> > >> 73 Dave G4AON > >> __ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered topete.n...@gmail.com > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to je...@tr2.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w8lv...@gmail.com -- --w8lvn-- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"
On 1/2/2024 6:10 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: Tbird is what I have used for years. Same here. It's very well designed software. That ability to see the raw code in an email can be helpful with issues like this. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"
Tbird is what I have used for years. 73, Pete N4ZR On 1/2/2024 6:24 PM, Alan D. Wilcox wrote: Thunderbird has a useful feature: View->Message Source If anything questionable comes in, I can check the source without opening the email and triggering . Cheers, Alan Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K3S-10457, SKCC 22955) 570-916-9590 (cell, text) https://WilcoxEngineering.com http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768 ... Elecraft Client Comments http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox Williamsport, PA 17701 On 1/2/24 17:26, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: This underlines how important it is to use an e-mail program that displays the originating address. That "you've won a ..." e-mail from a major retailer is quickly revealed to be from some obscure address (not Home Depot or Walmart, after all). A couple of days ago, I received a message purportedly from a relative of my sister-in-law, who passed away last fall. Happily, the originating address was a giveaway - "Amanda Rosman ". 73, Pete N4ZR On 1/2/2024 4:13 PM, Dave wrote: I don't know if anyone else on the Elecraft list is receiving this nonsense, but I have reported it for enforcement action to the UK Government reporting centre. 73 Dave G4AON __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"
The email address means little. Email systems will accept whatever you type in. What's more meaningful is the originating IP address. That's hard to fake. Most mailers have a "show headers" feature so you can see all the machines that the email passed through. - Jerry, KF6VB On 2024-01-02 14:26, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: This underlines how important it is to use an e-mail program that displays the originating address. That "you've won a ..." e-mail from a major retailer is quickly revealed to be from some obscure address (not Home Depot or Walmart, after all). A couple of days ago, I received a message purportedly from a relative of my sister-in-law, who passed away last fall. Happily, the originating address was a giveaway - "Amanda Rosman ". 73, Pete N4ZR On 1/2/2024 4:13 PM, Dave wrote: I don't know if anyone else on the Elecraft list is receiving this nonsense, but I have reported it for enforcement action to the UK Government reporting centre. 73 Dave G4AON __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered topete.n...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to je...@tr2.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"
This underlines how important it is to use an e-mail program that displays the originating address. That "you've won a ..." e-mail from a major retailer is quickly revealed to be from some obscure address (not Home Depot or Walmart, after all). A couple of days ago, I received a message purportedly from a relative of my sister-in-law, who passed away last fall. Happily, the originating address was a giveaway - "Amanda Rosman ". 73, Pete N4ZR On 1/2/2024 4:13 PM, Dave wrote: I don't know if anyone else on the Elecraft list is receiving this nonsense, but I have reported it for enforcement action to the UK Government reporting centre. 73 Dave G4AON __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered topete.n...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Beware of junk mail: "four pictures to you from Elecraft List"
I don't know if anyone else on the Elecraft list is receiving this nonsense, but I have reported it for enforcement action to the UK Government reporting centre. 73 Dave G4AON __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
