[Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES
As a adjunct to the recent posts on using the Spot and CWT features . . . There is a third capability that many long-time CW operators intuitively possess. It is the immediate recognition of the correspondence of an incoming signal's pitch to that of the operator's longtime /preferred /sidetone pitch. Just as well known voices of loved ones and friends are instantly recognizable when their faces can't be seen, so also one's preferred sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when a signal is being tuned in and hits that pitch. This feature of the human brain requires no button pushes other than the initial setting of the sidetone pitch frequency. Once this is set, neither the SPOT nor CWT buttons need be used (on any rig). This cerebral feature is always there, regardless of the brand or model of rig being operated. Several of us used this capability on Straight Key Night when operating a friend's FT-2000 with it's myriad of buttons, switches, and multi-layered controls. Once we set the sidetone pitch to our individually preferred frequencies, zero-beating was intuitive. However, hearing impairment is a whole different issue and may well require the CWT visual aid. 73, Kent K9ZTV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES
I agree with everything you say and have used this method for years. Now if only I could decode RTTY by listening!! grin 73, George K4GM K9ZTV wrote: As a adjunct to the recent posts on using the Spot and CWT features . . . There is a third capability that many long-time CW operators intuitively possess. It is the immediate recognition of the correspondence of an incoming signal's pitch to that of the operator's longtime /preferred /sidetone pitch. Just as well known voices of loved ones and friends are instantly recognizable when their faces can't be seen, so also one's preferred sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when a signal is being tuned in and hits that pitch. This feature of the human brain requires no button pushes other than the initial setting of the sidetone pitch frequency. Once this is set, neither the SPOT nor CWT buttons need be used (on any rig). This cerebral feature is always there, regardless of the brand or model of rig being operated. Several of us used this capability on Straight Key Night when operating a friend's FT-2000 with it's myriad of buttons, switches, and multi-layered controls. Once we set the sidetone pitch to our individually preferred frequencies, zero-beating was intuitive. However, hearing impairment is a whole different issue and may well require the CWT visual aid. 73, Kent K9ZTV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES
Really? I always try to tune CW by ear and I'm amazed at just how far off I am once I check it against the spot tone. I never get it right without some help. I suspect I'm not alone. - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - one's preferred sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when a signal is being tuned in and hits that pitch. 73, Kent K9ZTV web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES
Kieth, From the number of 'off zero-beat QSOs I hear on the air, I know you are not alone. Some folks do have very good pitch recognition, but others (like me) have a certified 'tin ear'. Unfortunately, those with good pitch recognition have no concept of what it is like for folks like me. I have relied on Spectrogram to help me with the pitch for a long time. 73, Don W3FPR Darwin, Keith wrote: Really? I always try to tune CW by ear and I'm amazed at just how far off I am once I check it against the spot tone. I never get it right without some help. I suspect I'm not alone. - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - one's preferred sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when a signal is being tuned in and hits that pitch. 73, Kent K9ZTV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES
If, A person with great pitch knows someone who cannot sing in tune, that should help define the issue. Kent, do you know of a person like that? I have excellent pitch but my wife and daughter are not so good. 73, Bill K9YEQ K2 #35; KX1 #35; K3 #1744; mini mods -Original Message- Kieth, From the number of 'off zero-beat QSOs I hear on the air, I know you are not alone. 73, Don W3FPR Darwin, Keith wrote: Really? I always try to tune CW by ear and I'm amazed at just how far off I am once I check it against the spot tone. I never get it right without some help. I suspect I'm not alone. one's preferred sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when a signal is being tuned in and hits that pitch. 73, Kent K9ZTV Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES
A fun game I play is to tune in a station then check my accuracy with SPOT while he's sending. I'm a bit miffed if I can hear more than a 5 or 10 Hz error, Hi! But some people have real trouble doing that. It reminds me that some others have a serious problem finding zero beat even using SPOT. Ron AC7AC From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K4GM-George Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:12 AM To: K9ZTV Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES I agree with everything you say and have used this method for years. Now if only I could decode RTTY by listening!! grin 73, George K4GM K9ZTV wrote: As a adjunct to the recent posts on using the Spot and CWT features . . . There is a third capability that many long-time CW operators intuitively possess. It is the immediate recognition of the correspondence of an incoming signal's pitch to that of the operator's longtime preferred sidetone pitch. Just as well known voices of loved ones and friends are instantly recognizable when their faces can't be seen, so also one's preferred sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when a signal is being tuned in and hits that pitch. This feature of the human brain requires no button pushes other than the initial setting of the sidetone pitch frequency. Once this is set, neither the SPOT nor CWT buttons need be used (on any rig). This cerebral feature is always there, regardless of the brand or model of rig being operated. Several of us used this capability on Straight Key Night when operating a friend's FT-2000 with it's myriad of buttons, switches, and multi-layered controls. Once we set the sidetone pitch to our individually preferred frequencies, zero-beating was intuitive. However, hearing impairment is a whole different issue and may well require the CWT visual aid. 73, Kent K9ZTV _ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES
Zero Beat was never a problem when we all had 6 KC wide IFs and crystal control. We just couldn't do it. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote: From: Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 11:27 AM A fun game I play is to tune in a station then check my accuracy with SPOT while he's sending. I'm a bit miffed if I can hear more than a 5 or 10 Hz error, Hi! But some people have real trouble doing that. It reminds me that some others have a serious problem finding zero beat even using SPOT. Ron AC7AC From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K4GM-George Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:12 AM To: K9ZTV Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES I agree with everything you say and have used this method for years. Now if only I could decode RTTY by listening!! grin 73, George K4GM K9ZTV wrote: As a adjunct to the recent posts on using the Spot and CWT features . . . There is a third capability that many long-time CW operators intuitively possess. It is the immediate recognition of the correspondence of an incoming signal's pitch to that of the operator's longtime preferred sidetone pitch. Just as well known voices of loved ones and friends are instantly recognizable when their faces can't be seen, so also one's preferred sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when a signal is being tuned in and hits that pitch. This feature of the human brain requires no button pushes other than the initial setting of the sidetone pitch frequency. Once this is set, neither the SPOT nor CWT buttons need be used (on any rig). This cerebral feature is always there, regardless of the brand or model of rig being operated. Several of us used this capability on Straight Key Night when operating a friend's FT-2000 with it's myriad of buttons, switches, and multi-layered controls. Once we set the sidetone pitch to our individually preferred frequencies, zero-beating was intuitive. However, hearing impairment is a whole different issue and may well require the CWT visual aid. 73, Kent K9ZTV _ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES
Keith: The trick I've used for decades is to set the sidetone just a bit louder than those signals I'm listening to. Then, when I zero the received signal, I tune it in to the point that it (audibly) disappears beneath the sidetone of the same frequency... if it's NOT zero beat, you'll be able to hear the offset. If it is zero beat, it'll be hiding behind the sidetone. I (think I) can provide a short WAV file to demonstrate if you have difficulty following the above verbal description. 73, Tom Hammond N0SS At 12:32 01/21/2009, Darwin, Keith wrote: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C97BF6.9C293F59 Really? I always try to tune CW by ear and I'm amazed at just how far off I am once I check it against the spot tone. I never get it right without some help. I suspect I'm not alone. - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - -- one's preferred sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when a signal is being tuned in and hits that pitch. 73, Kent K9ZTV web page: http://www.elecraft.comhttp://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES
Tom ( all) Yes, it makes sense. Next time I'm on the air, I'm going to play with MON level a bit to see what I get with slight changes to it's volume. - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - From: Tom Hammond [mailto:n...@embarqmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:57 PM To: Darwin, Keith; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES Keith: The trick I've used for decades is to set the sidetone just a bit louder than those signals I'm listening to. Then, when I zero the received signal, I tune it in to the point that it (audibly) disappears beneath the sidetone of the same frequency... if it's NOT zero beat, you'll be able to hear the offset. If it is zero beat, it'll be hiding behind the sidetone. I (think I) can provide a short WAV file to demonstrate if you have difficulty following the above verbal description. 73, Tom Hammond N0SS At 12:32 01/21/2009, Darwin, Keith wrote: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C97BF6.9C293F59 Really? I always try to tune CW by ear and I'm amazed at just how far off I am once I check it against the spot tone. I never get it right without some help. I suspect I'm not alone. - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - one's preferred sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when a signal is being tuned in and hits that pitch. 73, Kent K9ZTV web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft%A0%A0%A0 Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com http://www.elecraft.com/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES
I agree Kent, I've also used that method on all my previous rigs. My preferred pitch is 700 Hz. The reason I use the CWT function on the K3 is not so much for the visual cw pitch indication, but rather for the rapid auto-spot/tune function. I find the K3 to be very consistent at quickly centering the CW signal, at my preferred sidetone pitch, in the selected passband of the receiver. Once auto-tuned I can quickly decrease the bandwidth to 100 Hz or 50 Hz and presto the signal is smack in the center of that very narrow passband. It's great for SP with a wide passband (1.2 KHz), auto-spot/tune and a quick turn of the width control to 50 Hz bandwidth. The way Elecraft implemented the CWT function is fast, intuitive and repeatable. It's one of my favorite features in CW mode on the K3. Best 73, Frank - W6NEK - Original Message - From: K9ZTV Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES As a adjunct to the recent posts on using the Spot and CWT features . . . There is a third capability that many long-time CW operators intuitively possess. It is the immediate recognition of the correspondence of an incoming signal's pitch to that of the operator's longtime preferred sidetone pitch. Just as well known voices of loved ones and friends are instantly recognizable when their faces can't be seen, so also one's preferred sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when a signal is being tuned in and hits that pitch. This feature of the human brain requires no button pushes other than the initial setting of the sidetone pitch frequency. Once this is set, neither the SPOT nor CWT buttons need be used (on any rig). This cerebral feature is always there, regardless of the brand or model of rig being operated. Several of us used this capability on Straight Key Night when operating a friend's FT-2000 with it's myriad of buttons, switches, and multi-layered controls. Once we set the sidetone pitch to our individually preferred frequencies, zero-beating was intuitive. However, hearing impairment is a whole different issue and may well require the CWT visual aid. 73, Kent K9ZTV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
