Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

[WILLIE BABER]

What do you want to do with the radio?...for contesting K3/K3s is as good as it 
gets, so far.  And how was this done?  By improving an already good radio.  I 
think it is most cool to be able to bring k3 up to K3s performance for about 
$420 (synthesizer and preamp boards) and not buy a k3s.

K3s ranks second in the Sherwood table--which is based on dynamic range.  
However, in a "controlled comparison" between K3s and Flex 6700 (same with the 
Ic 7300), I suspect K3s would rank number one.  Set all radios to a given and 
the same MDS and then measure the dynamic range.

Not that dynamic range is the only criterion of a good radio nor the only 
reason to buy any radio...just saying that this is the criterion used in the 
Sherwood table of comparison.  And a good criterion if you intend to use the 
radio in a contest.

73, Will, wj9b 

CWops #1085
CWA Advisor levels II and III
http://cwops.org/


On Tue, 2/28/17, Charlie T, K3ICH <pin...@erols.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2017, 6:31 AM
 
 One good reason is
 because a "pre-owned" IC-1300 can be found for
 about a
 half or a third of what a similar K3
 will cost.
 Charlie k3ICH
 
 Bill:
 Why don't you just
 get a bare bones used K3. Since it will be a backup rig
 why go and spend the extra $$ for a new rig. By
 having a second K3, you
 won't have to
 learn a new rig etc.
 *73 De Mike*
 *VE3YF
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

One good reason is because a "pre-owned" IC-1300 can be found for about a
half or a third of what a similar K3 will cost.
Charlie k3ICH

Bill:
Why don't you just get a bare bones used K3. Since it will be a backup rig
why go and spend the extra $$ for a new rig. By having a second K3, you
won't have to learn a new rig etc.
*73 De Mike*
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Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

[Doug Turnbull]

Bill,
I could learn from this wisdom.   Socrates is amongst us.   Some of the
information though was good especially for someone just getting a start.
There are some pretty nice radios out there for low budget not to mention a
used bare bones K3.

  73 Doug EI2CN

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: 28 February 2017 12:01
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

I received a load of interesting and solid replies regarding my query 
about the IC-7300. Many were quite technical and some were excellent 
from a daily use perspective. However, without a doubt, the 
non-technical advice regarding a backup rig was the best I received.

" . put the money in a savings account and add $50 to cover next 
day shipping for the off chance your rig dies." It was also suggested 
that a second rig is an expensive paperweight (because modern rigs are 
very reliable). "Paperweight" is applicable in my case, as I am only 
able to operate a single rig at a time - I do not do multi-QSO well.

Hence, I have decided on an envelope in the desk labeled "for K3S."   
Better to do that, than to keep a spare on the shelf gathering dust. 
Further, there is no steep learning curve going from a K3 to a K3S.

Thanks to all that replied - I learned a lot.

Best  73,

Bill W2BLC
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Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

[Bill]

I received a load of interesting and solid replies regarding my query 
about the IC-7300. Many were quite technical and some were excellent 
from a daily use perspective. However, without a doubt, the 
non-technical advice regarding a backup rig was the best I received.


" . put the money in a savings account and add $50 to cover next 
day shipping for the off chance your rig dies." It was also suggested 
that a second rig is an expensive paperweight (because modern rigs are 
very reliable). "Paperweight" is applicable in my case, as I am only 
able to operate a single rig at a time - I do not do multi-QSO well.


Hence, I have decided on an envelope in the desk labeled "for K3S."   
Better to do that, than to keep a spare on the shelf gathering dust. 
Further, there is no steep learning curve going from a K3 to a K3S.


Thanks to all that replied - I learned a lot.

Best  73,

Bill W2BLC
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Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

[Mike VE3YF]

Bill:

Why don't you just get a bare bones used K3. Since it will be a backup 
rig why go and spend the extra $$ for a new rig. By having a second K3, 
you won't have to learn a new rig etc.

--

*73 De Mike*
*VE3YF

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Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

[brian]

It was said, the only replacement for a DC-3 was another DC-3.
The same can said for the K3.

I played with a local's 7300 trying to get it hooked up to the computer 
et al.  It only has a USB port.  No band data output.  Make sure your 
logging program supports the 7300, if you do computer logging.


It did put out 100 watts OK.  Adjusting power was a pain. If you have an 
amplifier that needs different drive levels on different bands, this is 
a possible issue.


It is small. I hope you have good strong glasses and tiny fingers. If 
you like menus, you'll love the 7300.  You will need an external speaker.


Not impressed with the spectrum display. Too tiny.

The price (used running $1000-1200) is a real plus.

All the above represents a first impression and there may be ways to 
work around the issues encountered.


73 de Brian/K3KO



On 2/27/2017 17:39 PM, Bill wrote:

I have been thinking of purchasing a 7300 as a backup to my K3
(non-updated) and am wondering if anyone has done a real side-by-side
comparison of the two radios??

Of course I could purchase a new K3S and keep the K3 as the backup.
However, for my daily use of ham radio, I am not sure that would be the
best approach for me.

I normally only operate on 40 and 75 meters on nets and rag chew. My
station (speakers, antennas, etc.) is designed for armchair copy
reception. To that end, the K3 does an excellent job.

So, if you have experience using both radios, I would sure like to hear
from you. You may either post here, or contact me directly at
w2blc.nycap.rr.com.

Thanks,

Bill W2BLC K-Line
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Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

Well, my operation is similar to yours in that I don't do contests and work
DX only if I happen to stumble onto it.

That said, I think the IC-7300 would be more "fun".
I own both and while the K3S will probably out-perform the Icom, the '7300
has more bells and whistles.
I'm not the one to ask for actual performance comparison but I AM a bell &
whistles type and appreciate the fun stuff the Icom will provide.

For starters, a color display spectrum AND waterfall which is miles ahead of
ANY built-in scope display I've ever seen with the possible exception of the
one in the IC-7851.
My opinion is that it is as good as the P3 although not quite as versatile.
However, I rarely look at the P3 itself since I drive an old 15" computer
monitor for that.

73, Charlie k3ICH





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Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

[Phil Hystad]

I spent some time with the Icom ic-7300 last fall at the HRO in Portland Oregon 
(actually, Tigard).  I was impressed with the layout, features available on 
front panel, touch screen and overall size.  It was smaller than I thought it 
would be (from a former Pro III owner) and even though a touch screen is no 
where near the top of any wish list of mine, it seemed to work well and offer 
the most obvious features via touch.

For awhile there I was thinking why not — why not add this cute little SDR to 
my collection.  Then I realized that it would mostly collect dust or some other 
radio would collect more dust and besides, I would probably rather spend the 
money on some more woodworking equipment.

But, if you need a good backup radio, this one is priced right and probably 
would not be a mistake.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On Feb 27, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Phil Wheeler  wrote:
> 
> I find it here http://www.arrl.org/reviews-listed-by-manufacturer#I
> 
> Phil W7OX
> 
> On 2/27/17 10:37 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On Mon,2/27/2017 10:04 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> ARRL reviews most new rigs, but I don't see one for the 7300.
>>> 
>>> http://www.arrl.org/reviews-listed-by-manufacturer
>> 
>> 
>> Apparently the list is out of date -- KK7P emailed me that the 7300 was 
>> reviewed in August 2016 QST.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

[Phil Wheeler]

I find it here 
http://www.arrl.org/reviews-listed-by-manufacturer#I


Phil W7OX

On 2/27/17 10:37 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Mon,2/27/2017 10:04 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
ARRL reviews most new rigs, but I don't see one 
for the 7300.


http://www.arrl.org/reviews-listed-by-manufacturer



Apparently the list is out of date -- KK7P 
emailed me that the 7300 was reviewed in August 
2016 QST.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

[John Dolan]

I have had both the IC-7300 and the K3S here in the shack as well as the
TS-590SG.  The IC-7300 has it's little nice features but I didnt find it
better than the TS-590SG for rag chewing and general use. I have an IC-7600
and I found that the IC-7300 didnt really have as good sounding a
receiver.  For my $$$ I would purchase the Kenwood TS-590SG for a backup to
my K3S if I didnt already have an IC-7600.

Just my opinion, YMMV.

73, John WB4YAL


*Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what we can do
without. -John Dolan *

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Bill  wrote:

> I have been thinking of purchasing a 7300 as a backup to my K3
> (non-updated) and am wondering if anyone has done a real side-by-side
> comparison of the two radios??
>
> Of course I could purchase a new K3S and keep the K3 as the backup.
> However, for my daily use of ham radio, I am not sure that would be the
> best approach for me.
>
> I normally only operate on 40 and 75 meters on nets and rag chew. My
> station (speakers, antennas, etc.) is designed for armchair copy reception.
> To that end, the K3 does an excellent job.
>
> So, if you have experience using both radios, I would sure like to hear
> from you. You may either post here, or contact me directly at
> w2blc.nycap.rr.com.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
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Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

Keep in mind that the Sherwood rankings are based on 3rd Order Dynamic Range at 
2 Khz spacing — not on any other factor, and not on some general measure of a 
radio’s “goodness”.   While it isn’t necessarily unimportant even for casual 
rag chewing, it may not be the most important consideration.


> 
> 
> The current Sherwood Engineering receiver test data list includes all of 
> these radios.
> 
> In the latest figures, the K3 (old synthesizer) rates above both the 7300 and 
> TS590G.  The 7300 is down 5 in the list from the K2 and the 7300 is two above 
> the TS590G.
> 
> If you just installed the upgraded synthesizer you would improve your K3 by 
> five spots.  


Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342



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Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

[Jim Brown]

On Mon,2/27/2017 10:04 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

ARRL reviews most new rigs, but I don't see one for the 7300.

http://www.arrl.org/reviews-listed-by-manufacturer



Apparently the list is out of date -- KK7P emailed me that the 7300 was 
reviewed in August 2016 QST.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

[George Thornton]

The current Sherwood Engineering receiver test data list includes all of these 
radios.

In the latest figures, the K3 (old synthesizer) rates above both the 7300 and 
TS590G.  The 7300 is down 5 in the list from the K2 and the 7300 is two above 
the TS590G.

If you just installed the upgraded synthesizer you would improve your K3 by 
five spots.  In fact, only the full K3S and Flexradio 6700 are currently better.

However, for casual rag chewing I would think any of these transceivers would 
be just fine.   It would be a matter of personal preference.  I know several 
people who are very happy with the TS590G.

These are all quality rigs.




From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:04 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

On Mon,2/27/2017 9:39 AM, Bill wrote:
> I have been thinking of purchasing a 7300 as a backup to my K3
> (non-updated) and am wondering if anyone has done a real side-by-side
> comparison of the two radios??

ARRL reviews most new rigs, but I don't see one for the 7300.

http://www.arrl.org/reviews-listed-by-manufacturer

For the way you operate, If I were looking for a lower cost backup for a
K3, I'd look at something like the TS590SG. A friend who's a great
operator owns one and likes it, and ARRL lab test data for it is quite
good considering its price.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

[Ron Wilcox]

Bill,
If you are interested I have a Kenwood 590 S with a digimaster for sale as
I have recently purchased K3S and KX2 and do not have a need for more
radios. I do not want to do sales on the forum, so if interested contact me
directly. Have had great results with 590S and 590SG, but there are other
good rigs out there these days as well

Today is a good day to have a Great Day!
73   Ron Wilcox KF7ZN

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Jim Brown 
wrote:

> On Mon,2/27/2017 9:39 AM, Bill wrote:
>
>> I have been thinking of purchasing a 7300 as a backup to my K3
>> (non-updated) and am wondering if anyone has done a real side-by-side
>> comparison of the two radios??
>>
>
> ARRL reviews most new rigs, but I don't see one for the 7300.
>
> http://www.arrl.org/reviews-listed-by-manufacturer
>
> For the way you operate, If I were looking for a lower cost backup for a
> K3, I'd look at something like the TS590SG. A friend who's a great operator
> owns one and likes it, and ARRL lab test data for it is quite good
> considering its price.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

[Jim Brown]

On Mon,2/27/2017 9:39 AM, Bill wrote:
I have been thinking of purchasing a 7300 as a backup to my K3 
(non-updated) and am wondering if anyone has done a real side-by-side 
comparison of the two radios??


ARRL reviews most new rigs, but I don't see one for the 7300.

http://www.arrl.org/reviews-listed-by-manufacturer

For the way you operate, If I were looking for a lower cost backup for a 
K3, I'd look at something like the TS590SG. A friend who's a great 
operator owns one and likes it, and ARRL lab test data for it is quite 
good considering its price.


73, Jim K9YC

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[Elecraft] Compare the K3 and the Icom IC-7300

[Bill]

I have been thinking of purchasing a 7300 as a backup to my K3 
(non-updated) and am wondering if anyone has done a real side-by-side 
comparison of the two radios??


Of course I could purchase a new K3S and keep the K3 as the backup. 
However, for my daily use of ham radio, I am not sure that would be the 
best approach for me.


I normally only operate on 40 and 75 meters on nets and rag chew. My 
station (speakers, antennas, etc.) is designed for armchair copy 
reception. To that end, the K3 does an excellent job.


So, if you have experience using both radios, I would sure like to hear 
from you. You may either post here, or contact me directly at 
w2blc.nycap.rr.com.


Thanks,

Bill W2BLC K-Line
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