Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

[Mike va3mw]

What be the price point for this amp?

What would the average ham pay?  And elecraft needs to make a profit after all 
they aren't a charity. 

Mike va3mw

> On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:56 AM, James Bennett <w6...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Ron,
> 
> No offense taken - I understand your intentions for the reply. Low antennas 
> are a formula for trouble if proper precautions aren't taken. Common sense 
> "should" come into play, but we've all seen or heard of examples of hams so 
> focused on the antenna itself, they fail to think about what might happen if 
> it falls, someone touches it, etc.
> 
> And who knows, maybe we'll meet on 30 meter CW - I hang out there quite a 
> bit, too!
> 
> 73, Jim
> 
> Jim Bennett / W6JHB
> Folsom, CA
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <r...@cobi.biz> wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry Jim. What I was referring to were your words "I run my station in a 
>> HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas." 
>> 
>> I'm sure you realize that many Hams in that situation have antennas running 
>> along fences, even sometimes indoors, or short whips and loops on a balcony. 
>> 
>> It's good that it doesn't apply to you specifically but a great many Hams in 
>> an HOA/CCR environment must live with a "stealth" antenna systems like 
>> those. 
>> 
>> 73, Ron AC7AC
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James 
>> Bennett
>> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 3:05 PM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?
>> 
>> Huh? How does my situation even closely border on producing “ill 
>> effects”? This is NOT the situation here, so let’s set the record straight. 
>> 
>> 1) My stealthy wire doublet is 45 feet in the air. I experience ZERO RFI 
>> problems even at the 500 watt level. Nor do my neighbors, who I’ve asked 
>> several times if there are issues.
>> 
>> 2) I would be interested to see what sort of person or animal is going to 
>> come into contact with an antenna at that height. Actually, maybe I don’t 
>> want to see - might be pretty scary sight.
>> 
>> 3) Don’t know where my post mentioned whips or short wires. None here at 
>> this station.
>> 
>> 4) True, but again, not here.
>> 
>> My post simply was intended to convey my desire and reason why I do NOT want 
>> to run any more power than I already do, and any correlation of my 
>> installation to someone with a dipole five feet off the ground or 
>> experiencing RFI is off the mark. And not fully appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>>> On   Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at  Monday, 2:28 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire 
>>> <r...@cobi.biz> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ... A situation like Jim brings up would likely produce a number of ill 
>>> effects such as:
>>> 
>>> 1) Producing interference in many nearby pieces of equipment from Hi-Fi 
>>> systems to DVRs, broadcast receivers, etc.
>>> 
>>> 2) If the antenna is not carefully insulated and isolated, animals and 
>>> people can receive very painful RF burns and in the extreme set fires. For 
>>> those who have not experienced a severe RF burn, it instantly creates deep 
>>> tissue damage that is very painful for days or weeks afterward.
>>> 
>>> 3) Short antennas (whips, short wires, etc.) easily produce corona 
>>> discharges at their ends that distorts the transmitted signal and creates 
>>> broadband Hash across the ham bands. 
>>> 
>>> 4) It becomes very difficult to ensure people are not subjected to 
>>> excessive RF exposure if the antenna is not up high and in the clear.
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

[James Bennett]

Ron,

No offense taken - I understand your intentions for the reply. Low antennas are 
a formula for trouble if proper precautions aren't taken. Common sense "should" 
come into play, but we've all seen or heard of examples of hams so focused on 
the antenna itself, they fail to think about what might happen if it falls, 
someone touches it, etc.

And who knows, maybe we'll meet on 30 meter CW - I hang out there quite a bit, 
too!

73, Jim

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA

> On Aug 1, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <r...@cobi.biz> wrote:
> 
> Sorry Jim. What I was referring to were your words "I run my station in a 
> HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas." 
> 
> I'm sure you realize that many Hams in that situation have antennas running 
> along fences, even sometimes indoors, or short whips and loops on a balcony. 
> 
> It's good that it doesn't apply to you specifically but a great many Hams in 
> an HOA/CCR environment must live with a "stealth" antenna systems like those. 
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James 
> Bennett
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 3:05 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?
> 
> Huh? How does my situation even closely border on producing “ill 
> effects”? This is NOT the situation here, so let’s set the record straight. 
> 
> 1) My stealthy wire doublet is 45 feet in the air. I experience ZERO RFI 
> problems even at the 500 watt level. Nor do my neighbors, who I’ve asked 
> several times if there are issues.
> 
> 2) I would be interested to see what sort of person or animal is going to 
> come into contact with an antenna at that height. Actually, maybe I don’t 
> want to see - might be pretty scary sight.
> 
> 3) Don’t know where my post mentioned whips or short wires. None here at this 
> station.
> 
> 4) True, but again, not here.
> 
> My post simply was intended to convey my desire and reason why I do NOT want 
> to run any more power than I already do, and any correlation of my 
> installation to someone with a dipole five feet off the ground or 
> experiencing RFI is off the mark. And not fully appreciated.
> 
> 
>> On   Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at  Monday, 2:28 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire 
>> <r...@cobi.biz> wrote:
>> 
>> ... A situation like Jim brings up would likely produce a number of ill 
>> effects such as:
>> 
>> 1) Producing interference in many nearby pieces of equipment from Hi-Fi 
>> systems to DVRs, broadcast receivers, etc.
>> 
>> 2) If the antenna is not carefully insulated and isolated, animals and 
>> people can receive very painful RF burns and in the extreme set fires. For 
>> those who have not experienced a severe RF burn, it instantly creates deep 
>> tissue damage that is very painful for days or weeks afterward.
>> 
>> 3) Short antennas (whips, short wires, etc.) easily produce corona 
>> discharges at their ends that distorts the transmitted signal and creates 
>> broadband Hash across the ham bands. 
>> 
>> 4) It becomes very difficult to ensure people are not subjected to excessive 
>> RF exposure if the antenna is not up high and in the clear.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

[Jerry Moore]

Ron, you can't teach some people manners. Just like on the air you have to just 
ignore them until they get bored and go away. 
I'm not directing my statement to anyone specific so if you're offended by it 
then it probably fits. 

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau 
Claire
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 5:28 PM
To: 'Elecraft Reflector Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

A serious mistake some antenna-limited Hams make is to try to make up for a 
poor antenna near the ground with more power. A situation like Jim brings up 
would likely produce a number of ill effects such as:

1) Producing interference in many nearby pieces of equipment from Hi-Fi systems 
to DVRs, broadcast receivers, etc.

2) If the antenna is not carefully insulated and isolated, animals and people 
can receive very painful RF burns and in the extreme set fires. For those who 
have not experienced a severe RF burn, it instantly creates deep tissue damage 
that is very painful for days or weeks afterward.

3) Short antennas (whips, short wires, etc.) easily produce corona discharges 
at their ends that distorts the transmitted signal and creates broadband Hash 
across the ham bands. 

4) It becomes very difficult to ensure people are not subjected to excessive RF 
exposure if the antenna is not up high and in the clear.

73, Ron AC7AC


 
-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James 
Bennett
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 11:23 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

Wayne, if it turns out to be a survey, put me down for a NO vote. I run my 
station in a HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas. I’m 
surprised they don’t vaporize as it is with the 500 watts or so coming out of 
my KPA500 - on the rare occasions when I do run QRO!

Jim / W6JHB

(p.s. - and another reason for a no vote is that I’d be talking in a much 
higher tone if I told my XYL (KF6ZNT) if I was gonna buy a big buck amp!)



> On   Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at  Monday, 9:55 AM, Wayne Burdick 
> <n...@elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A <p...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
>> I think that crowdfunding a KPA1500 would help to get Elecraft going again 
>> on a big amp.
>> Crowdfunding would also give a good indication on how many KPA1500's you 
>> could sell in the market as it is today.
>> 
>> 73
>> Arie PA3A
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Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Sorry Jim. What I was referring to were your words "I run my station in a 
HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas." 

I'm sure you realize that many Hams in that situation have antennas running 
along fences, even sometimes indoors, or short whips and loops on a balcony. 

It's good that it doesn't apply to you specifically but a great many Hams in an 
HOA/CCR environment must live with a "stealth" antenna systems like those. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James 
Bennett
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 3:05 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

Huh? How does my situation even closely border on producing “ill effects”? 
This is NOT the situation here, so let’s set the record straight. 

1) My stealthy wire doublet is 45 feet in the air. I experience ZERO RFI 
problems even at the 500 watt level. Nor do my neighbors, who I’ve asked 
several times if there are issues.

2) I would be interested to see what sort of person or animal is going to come 
into contact with an antenna at that height. Actually, maybe I don’t want to 
see - might be pretty scary sight.

3) Don’t know where my post mentioned whips or short wires. None here at this 
station.

4) True, but again, not here.

My post simply was intended to convey my desire and reason why I do NOT want to 
run any more power than I already do, and any correlation of my installation to 
someone with a dipole five feet off the ground or experiencing RFI is off the 
mark. And not fully appreciated.


> On   Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at  Monday, 2:28 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire 
> <r...@cobi.biz> wrote:
> 
> ... A situation like Jim brings up would likely produce a number of ill 
> effects such as:
> 
> 1) Producing interference in many nearby pieces of equipment from Hi-Fi 
> systems to DVRs, broadcast receivers, etc.
> 
> 2) If the antenna is not carefully insulated and isolated, animals and people 
> can receive very painful RF burns and in the extreme set fires. For those who 
> have not experienced a severe RF burn, it instantly creates deep tissue 
> damage that is very painful for days or weeks afterward.
> 
> 3) Short antennas (whips, short wires, etc.) easily produce corona discharges 
> at their ends that distorts the transmitted signal and creates broadband Hash 
> across the ham bands. 
> 
> 4) It becomes very difficult to ensure people are not subjected to excessive 
> RF exposure if the antenna is not up high and in the clear.

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Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

[James Bennett]

Huh? How does my situation even closely border on producing “ill effects”? 
This is NOT the situation here, so let’s set the record straight. 

1) My stealthy wire doublet is 45 feet in the air. I experience ZERO RFI 
problems even at the 500 watt level. Nor do my neighbors, who I’ve asked 
several times if there are issues.

2) I would be interested to see what sort of person or animal is going to come 
into contact with an antenna at that height. Actually, maybe I don’t want to 
see - might be pretty scary sight.

3) Don’t know where my post mentioned whips or short wires. None here at this 
station.

4) True, but again, not here.

My post simply was intended to convey my desire and reason why I do NOT want to 
run any more power than I already do, and any correlation of my installation to 
someone with a dipole five feet off the ground or experiencing RFI is off the 
mark. And not fully appreciated.


> On   Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at  Monday, 2:28 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire 
>  wrote:
> 
> ... A situation like Jim brings up would likely produce a number of ill 
> effects such as:
> 
> 1) Producing interference in many nearby pieces of equipment from Hi-Fi 
> systems to DVRs, broadcast receivers, etc.
> 
> 2) If the antenna is not carefully insulated and isolated, animals and people 
> can receive very painful RF burns and in the extreme set fires. For those who 
> have not experienced a severe RF burn, it instantly creates deep tissue 
> damage that is very painful for days or weeks afterward.
> 
> 3) Short antennas (whips, short wires, etc.) easily produce corona discharges 
> at their ends that distorts the transmitted signal and creates broadband Hash 
> across the ham bands. 
> 
> 4) It becomes very difficult to ensure people are not subjected to excessive 
> RF exposure if the antenna is not up high and in the clear.

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Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

A serious mistake some antenna-limited Hams make is to try to make up for a 
poor antenna near the ground with more power. A situation like Jim brings up 
would likely produce a number of ill effects such as:

1) Producing interference in many nearby pieces of equipment from Hi-Fi systems 
to DVRs, broadcast receivers, etc.

2) If the antenna is not carefully insulated and isolated, animals and people 
can receive very painful RF burns and in the extreme set fires. For those who 
have not experienced a severe RF burn, it instantly creates deep tissue damage 
that is very painful for days or weeks afterward.

3) Short antennas (whips, short wires, etc.) easily produce corona discharges 
at their ends that distorts the transmitted signal and creates broadband Hash 
across the ham bands. 

4) It becomes very difficult to ensure people are not subjected to excessive RF 
exposure if the antenna is not up high and in the clear.

73, Ron AC7AC


 
-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James 
Bennett
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 11:23 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

Wayne, if it turns out to be a survey, put me down for a NO vote. I run my 
station in a HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas. I’m 
surprised they don’t vaporize as it is with the 500 watts or so coming out of 
my KPA500 - on the rare occasions when I do run QRO!

Jim / W6JHB

(p.s. - and another reason for a no vote is that I’d be talking in a much 
higher tone if I told my XYL (KF6ZNT) if I was gonna buy a big buck amp!)



> On   Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at  Monday, 9:55 AM, Wayne Burdick 
> <n...@elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A <p...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
>> I think that crowdfunding a KPA1500 would help to get Elecraft going again 
>> on a big amp.
>> Crowdfunding would also give a good indication on how many KPA1500's you 
>> could sell in the market as it is today.
>> 
>> 73
>> Arie PA3A
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Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

[EricJ]

Nice work, Ken. On the amps and the cars. I was wondering the same thing 
about "rolling your own". I suggested that doctor who said he could 
build pretty much what he wanted could build the enclosure. He owns an 
electronic lab which builds his stuff and farms the enclosures out to 
another professional. Not sure subcontracting is the Ham Spirit, but 
we're all in this hobby for different reasons.


Eric KE6US



On 8/1/2016 12:21 PM, Ken Arck wrote:

I'll just throw this out there

What ever happened to the Ham Spirit of rolling your own? With the new 
MOSFETS devices out, it is not that expensive (nor difficult) to "roll 
your own"


Here's what I did for 6 & 2 meters:

http://ah6le.net/index.php/vhf-solid-state-kilowatts

Ken
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Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

[Ken Arck]

I'll just throw this out there

What ever happened to the Ham Spirit of rolling your own? With the 
new MOSFETS devices out, it is not that expensive (nor difficult) to 
"roll your own"


Here's what I did for 6 & 2 meters:

http://ah6le.net/index.php/vhf-solid-state-kilowatts

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Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

[Bill]

A 500 Watt station suits my needs well. I will not be purchasing a 
larger amplifier.


Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

[James Austin]

No for me, thinking about a KXPA100 in the near future, but that will be
plenty for my needs.

Jim KA2RVO

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Phil Wheeler  wrote:

> Another strong NO.
>
> Phil W7OX
>
> On 8/1/16 11:23 AM, James Bennett wrote:
>
>> Wayne, if it turns out to be a survey, put me down for a NO vote. I run
>> my station in a HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas.
>> I’m surprised they don’t vaporize as it is with the 500 watts or so coming
>> out of my KPA500 - on the rare occasions when I do run QRO!
>>
>> Jim / W6JHB
>>
>> (p.s. - and another reason for a no vote is that I’d be talking in a much
>> higher tone if I told my XYL (KF6ZNT) if I was gonna buy a big buck amp!)
>>
>>
>>
>> On   Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at  Monday, 9:55 AM, Wayne Burdick <
>>> n...@elecraft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A  wrote:
>>>
>>> I think that crowdfunding a KPA1500 would help to get Elecraft going
 again on a big amp.
 Crowdfunding would also give a good indication on how many KPA1500's
 you could sell in the market as it is today.

 73
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Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

[Phil Wheeler]

Another strong NO.

Phil W7OX

On 8/1/16 11:23 AM, James Bennett wrote:

Wayne, if it turns out to be a survey, put me down for a NO vote. I run my 
station in a HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas. I’m 
surprised they don’t vaporize as it is with the 500 watts or so coming out of 
my KPA500 - on the rare occasions when I do run QRO!

Jim / W6JHB

(p.s. - and another reason for a no vote is that I’d be talking in a much 
higher tone if I told my XYL (KF6ZNT) if I was gonna buy a big buck amp!)




On   Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at  Monday, 9:55 AM, Wayne Burdick 
 wrote:

This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead.

Wayne
N6KR


On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A  wrote:


I think that crowdfunding a KPA1500 would help to get Elecraft going again on a 
big amp.
Crowdfunding would also give a good indication on how many KPA1500's you could 
sell in the market as it is today.

73
Arie PA3A
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Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

[James Bennett]

Wayne, if it turns out to be a survey, put me down for a NO vote. I run my 
station in a HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas. I’m 
surprised they don’t vaporize as it is with the 500 watts or so coming out of 
my KPA500 - on the rare occasions when I do run QRO!

Jim / W6JHB

(p.s. - and another reason for a no vote is that I’d be talking in a much 
higher tone if I told my XYL (KF6ZNT) if I was gonna buy a big buck amp!)



> On   Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at  Monday, 9:55 AM, Wayne Burdick 
>  wrote:
> 
> This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A  wrote:
> 
>> I think that crowdfunding a KPA1500 would help to get Elecraft going again 
>> on a big amp.
>> Crowdfunding would also give a good indication on how many KPA1500's you 
>> could sell in the market as it is today.
>> 
>> 73
>> Arie PA3A
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