Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
And don't forget that he modified the Baudot code (he called it upper and lower sets, not case) so that we could transfer binary (actual programs) via RTTY, all on the 146.10/70 repeater. Those were fun days. Rick nhc On 7/2/2019 11:34 AM, Alan wrote: My favorite example of early free software contributors was Irv Hoff W6FFC (SK). He was big in RTTY (radioteletype) in the early days. Among other things, he designed the "Mainline" series of FSK demodulators and the AK1 frequency-shift keyer. He wrote a couple of dozen articles about RTTY in QST and elsewhere back in the 1960s and early 70s. Later he got into computers. Somewhere he acquired a surplus DEC computer and had fun programming it to run his RTTY station. When personal computers came out in the 1970s, Irv jumped right in. His contributions to free software included IMP (Irv's Modem Program, later "Improved" Modem Program), which became the standard for CP/M and other early home computers. He also wrote many other utilities that he shared freely. Just a few I happen to know about: LHA (file compression and archive program), XIZ and XZI to translate machine code from Intel 8080 to Zilog Z-80 and vice-versa, BD (find bad disk sectors and lock them out), CHEK (CRC file integrity checker), MDM (another modem program), M7LIB (manage telephone numbers in MDM library), file13 (file search utility), filt (text filters), find (find ASCII string in a file), form (source code formatter), formatin (format text files), justify (right margin justification), kmd (RCMP utility), listt (list text files to printer with nice formatting), mcatxcat (disk catalog system), neat (source code reformatter), osmdm (modem program for Osborne 1 computer), oxmdm (modem program for Osborne Executive computer), FOR (search RCMP list), DIRR (directory listing program), etc. etc. Alan N1AL a6...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
> I suspect ELecraft do actually support modified hardware, which most people wouldn't. Yes, I believe that is true. Wayne and Eric are long-time supporters of homebrewing. > Incidentally a lot of the original developers of the internet (before commercialisation) were radio amateurs. My favorite example of early free software contributors was Irv Hoff W6FFC (SK). He was big in RTTY (radioteletype) in the early days. Among other things, he designed the "Mainline" series of FSK demodulators and the AK1 frequency-shift keyer. He wrote a couple of dozen articles about RTTY in QST and elsewhere back in the 1960s and early 70s. Later he got into computers. Somewhere he acquired a surplus DEC computer and had fun programming it to run his RTTY station. When personal computers came out in the 1970s, Irv jumped right in. His contributions to free software included IMP (Irv's Modem Program, later "Improved" Modem Program), which became the standard for CP/M and other early home computers. He also wrote many other utilities that he shared freely. Just a few I happen to know about: LHA (file compression and archive program), XIZ and XZI to translate machine code from Intel 8080 to Zilog Z-80 and vice-versa, BD (find bad disk sectors and lock them out), CHEK (CRC file integrity checker), MDM (another modem program), M7LIB (manage telephone numbers in MDM library), file13 (file search utility), filt (text filters), find (find ASCII string in a file), form (source code formatter), formatin (format text files), justify (right margin justification), kmd (RCMP utility), listt (list text files to printer with nice formatting), mcatxcat (disk catalog system), neat (source code reformatter), osmdm (modem program for Osborne 1 computer), oxmdm (modem program for Osborne Executive computer), FOR (search RCMP list), DIRR (directory listing program), etc. etc. Alan N1AL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
In my experience, radio amateurs behave like the general public with respect to intellectual property; they generally only respect property rights in physical objects. They'll copy magazine articles without paying royalties to publisher, play videos at clubs in spite of the home use only warnings, etc. Much experimentation with equipment is probably legally dodgy, although I think there are patent exemptions for experimentation, but possibly not for subsequent use beyond validating the design, In terms of only supporting official versions, there are techniques, such as digital signatures, to identify official firmware, even if people violate trademarks. Android is open source, but is still trusted for some secure applications. I suspect ELecraft do actually support modified hardware, which most people wouldn't. Incidentally a lot of the original developers of the internet (before commercialisation) were radio amateurs. One of the big reasons that we have TCP/IP now and not something based on X.25, and the OSI model, is the open source nature of the key implementations. -- David Woolley On 01/07/2019 19:10, Alan wrote: The software was copyrighted, but that didn't prevent some hams (in Germany as I recall) from running a reverse compiler on the code, making a few minor changes, and re-compiling it so they could make pirate chips. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
The ALT-512 looks interesting in that regard: https://www.aerial-51.com/alt-512/ 73, Todd KH2TJ From: John Harper But, what all this proves, is what's possible in the form factor in terms of with.without PC and ease of connectivity from keeping audio in a digital format for PC exchange. If Elecraft made a similarly featured KX4 it would sell like hotcakes and would be hitting the sweet spot of how so many people operate today: portable, FT8, CW/phone, with and w/o a PC. What an attractive set of features for new younger hams and those without the ability to have a "proper" antenna. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
Ah guess this is "letting you know I read the mail": Mobile is a reach from KX4 as the topic - but - here's my drift: I outfitted my new (in 2016) truck to be equipped for HF/6m/2m/70cm. Mostly when parked in eve. with our 5th wheel trailer (even provided for two coax lines to the trailer for operating the KX3 on the dining table). I can run the 6m-70cm while underway (mobile) but most of the time the radios are off when driving. 80m and 20m hamsticks did not tune well mounted in the bed so going to not bother running HF-mobile. Buddipole looks like a convenient HF portable antenna. Towing a 30-foot trailer is a full-time job and needs no distraction (total rig length is 47 foot). I will eventually get APRS tracking beacon working.(which runs automatic). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
Not publishing the source code is no guarantee that someone won't rip off the software. Remember "NET/ROM"? https://www.tapr.org/pr_intro.html#NR It was a pre-programmed memory chip that you plug into a packet TNC to give it super-digipeater capability. The software was copyrighted, but that didn't prevent some hams (in Germany as I recall) from running a reverse compiler on the code, making a few minor changes, and re-compiling it so they could make pirate chips. It's not like the copyright owner was making a killing on the product. I don't remember the price, but as I recall it was reasonable. But too expensive for some people who can't resist a "bargain". Alan N1AL On 7/1/19 10:33 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: Oh my. It seems that folks keep designing good stuff, circuits, software,radios and the like, and for economic reasons end up with Chinese manufacturing some of the boards or assemblies. It doesn't take them long to figure out what makes it tick and end up with a clone available at 1/2 the price or so. And they don't care about copy-write laws or patients either. "ok, so sue me". I'm not naming names, but just look around and find the "Made in China" or the likes. No way would I write any computer code and make it open source. Thus I say if you want something different, then learn to write code. Oh, it only takes thousands of hours and many years experience. And someone wants it for FREE!! 73 Bob, K4TAX On 7/1/2019 10:54 AM, John Harper wrote: ... The firmware is open source, thus all the clones. Chris recently complained that he is now expected and often asked to provide support for the Chinese clones! That's gotta burn... ... __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
Oh my. It seems that folks keep designing good stuff, circuits, software,radios and the like, and for economic reasons end up with Chinese manufacturing some of the boards or assemblies. It doesn't take them long to figure out what makes it tick and end up with a clone available at 1/2 the price or so. And they don't care about copy-write laws or patients either. "ok, so sue me". I'm not naming names, but just look around and find the "Made in China" or the likes. No way would I write any computer code and make it open source. Thus I say if you want something different, then learn to write code. Oh, it only takes thousands of hours and many years experience. And someone wants it for FREE!! 73 Bob, K4TAX On 7/1/2019 10:54 AM, John Harper wrote: I sometimes doubt that Chris M0NKA ever meant for it to be a commercially viable rig but, despite what you correctly mentioned, it has become one. I think his original intent was to provide a project to experiment with coding etc - the platform for that experiment just happened to be a radio. The firmware is open source, thus all the clones. Chris recently complained that he is now expected and often asked to provide support for the Chinese clones! That's gotta burn... A group in Germany is now providing the lion's share of updates. But, what all this proves, is what's possible in the form factor in terms of with.without PC and ease of connectivity from keeping audio in a digital format for PC exchange. If Elecraft made a similarly featured KX4 it would sell like hotcakes and would be hitting the sweet spot of how so many people operate today: portable, FT8, CW/phone, with and w/o a PC. What an attractive set of features for new younger hams and those without the ability to have a "proper" antenna. I am hesitant to experiment too much with my mcHF because support and documentation is so lacking. I can't easily recover from an error by reading - I'd have to ask in a forum and hope someone both knows the answer and isn't too burnt out by being asked other questions, that he'll answer me. If a company with Elecraft's reputation produced such a rig I'd probably be moved to write a tributary haiku, or maybe even a limerick. John AE5X https://ae5x.blogspot.com ___ I’m with you 100%, John! Hope Elecraft is listening! Love the mcHF, but there is really NO customer support. If the current group of developers aren’t interested in fixing a bug or adding something new, you’re told to do it yourself. Not something I’m interested in doing, or really able to do. But as is, its still a fun and innovative transceiver! Elecraft could do it right! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
While I agree that a panadapter is unneeded, unwise and distracting when operating mobile, one should plan for safety by minimal interaction with any device added to a vehicle. This would include any touch screen display, since we won't avoid them. For example; The control heads of my V/U/HF radios are on the dash (I built a vehicle non-destructive frame for mounting) along with the (voice controlled) GPS so they are not distracting, easily reached for the few times adjustments are required and most importantly, WITHIN the normal visual scanning range of the driver (left mirror, windshield, gauges, windshield, right mirror; reverse and repeat). They are high enough to be seen without looking down (use peripheral vision for the road), yet low enough to not block vision of the road (drivers with a height issue too). The HF station uses a Turbo Tuner and Tarheel, one button to tune it is the only driver interaction. The meters, don't matter (and can't be seen without reading glasses anyway), only the frequencies are truly needed as visible to the driver. The use of preset memory slots makes it much safer. Each radio has function buttons on the mic as well, so direct interaction is very low. The radio scanner (in the console, next to the phone, for traffic problem awareness during travel for potential re-routing) is not among this collection on the dash since the mode of speech tells you who is talking (cops don't sound like fire and medical is different altogether). Placement also allows the passenger to be the operator; and they also manage the sound system when the HF is turned off. However, while it was once common for me to multitask while driving a large fire truck; it's a good idea to note that aging of the driver lowers the ability to do this well. If you don't pay attention to that, it's possible to learn that reduction of ability in a negative manner. Take note; that reduction creeps up over time. Setting up a mobile station requires significant planning and thought along with the understanding that sometimes, the OFF button is the best choice; yes even a simple dual band V/UHF (mostly used for APRS to reduce the 'where are you?' calls and to allow the coffee to be fresh upon arrival). (I typically only use mobile HF when parked or while hauling the fifth wheel on an interstate but never in a city or other traffic dense situation. After decades of my career, listening to multiple audio sources at the same time is second nature to me; extract what is relevant, ignore the rest. The fifth wheel has it's own station.) Rick NHC On 7/1/2019 6:21 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: May I suggest that any Mobile (meaning mounted in a vehicle) transceiver NOT have a touchscreen or panadapter. It can create additional distracted driver problems, and we have enough of that already with automotive touchscreens, navigation systems, and the like. I for one do not operate mobile - my eyes and attention need to be on the road and not some device in the vehicle. 73, Don W3FPR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
I sometimes doubt that Chris M0NKA ever meant for it to be a commercially viable rig but, despite what you correctly mentioned, it has become one. I think his original intent was to provide a project to experiment with coding etc - the platform for that experiment just happened to be a radio. The firmware is open source, thus all the clones. Chris recently complained that he is now expected and often asked to provide support for the Chinese clones! That's gotta burn... A group in Germany is now providing the lion's share of updates. But, what all this proves, is what's possible in the form factor in terms of with.without PC and ease of connectivity from keeping audio in a digital format for PC exchange. If Elecraft made a similarly featured KX4 it would sell like hotcakes and would be hitting the sweet spot of how so many people operate today: portable, FT8, CW/phone, with and w/o a PC. What an attractive set of features for new younger hams and those without the ability to have a "proper" antenna. I am hesitant to experiment too much with my mcHF because support and documentation is so lacking. I can't easily recover from an error by reading - I'd have to ask in a forum and hope someone both knows the answer and isn't too burnt out by being asked other questions, that he'll answer me. If a company with Elecraft's reputation produced such a rig I'd probably be moved to write a tributary haiku, or maybe even a limerick. John AE5X https://ae5x.blogspot.com ___ I’m with you 100%, John! Hope Elecraft is listening! Love the mcHF, but there is really NO customer support. If the current group of developers aren’t interested in fixing a bug or adding something new, you’re told to do it yourself. Not something I’m interested in doing, or really able to do. But as is, its still a fun and innovative transceiver! Elecraft could do it right! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
The original poster specified what he meant by "mobile" and it had nothing to do with being in a vehicle. John AE5X https://ae5x.blogspot.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
I’m with you 100%, John! Hope Elecraft is listening! Love the mcHF, but there is really NO customer support. If the current group of developers aren’t interested in fixing a bug or adding something new, you’re told to do it yourself. Not something I’m interested in doing, or really able to do. But as is, its still a fun and innovative transceiver! Elecraft could do it right! 73, Randy, KS4L > On Jul 1, 2019, at 8:03 AM, John Harper wrote: > > I recently bought a mcHF (a real one, not a clone) and, as much as I like > it, I wish Elecraft would make a similar radio. > > The main advantages of a mcHF over anything else out there are its built-in > panadapter and its one-cable connection to a PC for digital modes. No PC > required for SSB, CW or PSK31. > > The KX2 and mcHF are of a similar size and are shown together here for > comparison: > http://ae5x.blogspot.com/2019/05/comparing-mchf-and-kx2.html > > Disadvantages of the mcHF - and where an Elecraft (KX4) would shine - are > in support and documentation. I hope we'll see a KX4 soon, with all the > Elecraft advantages and none of the mcHF's shortcomings. > > John AE5X > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wrmoor...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
And some of us operate from the passenger seat while the driver is doing all that complicated stuff! Andy, G8TQH Sent from my iPhone > On 1 Jul 2019, at 15:48, Clay Autery wrote: > > Do NOT "Nanny State" the design of the radio As a compromise, put in a > firmware option that turns the panadapter OFF while the vehicle is in motion > or something like that. But even THEN, make it where the OWNER of the radio > may affirmatively take action to disable this nanny-state-like "feature". > SOME folks are trained for and perfectly capable of driving and operating > radios at the same time > > 73, > > __ > Clay Autery, KY5G > (318) 518-1389 > >> On 01-Jul-19 08:21, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> May I suggest that any Mobile (meaning mounted in a vehicle) transceiver NOT >> have a touchscreen or panadapter. >> It can create additional distracted driver problems, and we have enough of >> that already with automotive touchscreens, navigation systems, and the like. >> >> I for one do not operate mobile - my eyes and attention need to be on the >> road and not some device in the vehicle. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 7/1/2019 7:09 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote: >>> I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single package >>> the size of which is like kx3... >>> >>> >>> пн, 1 июл. 2019 г., 13:16 Nr4c : >>> Not mentioned so far. BTW: What is a “mobile” version? They’ve so fa not done this for any other radio. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote: > > It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4? >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k...@montac.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a...@rickham.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
Do NOT "Nanny State" the design of the radio As a compromise, put in a firmware option that turns the panadapter OFF while the vehicle is in motion or something like that. But even THEN, make it where the OWNER of the radio may affirmatively take action to disable this nanny-state-like "feature". SOME folks are trained for and perfectly capable of driving and operating radios at the same time 73, __ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 01-Jul-19 08:21, Don Wilhelm wrote: May I suggest that any Mobile (meaning mounted in a vehicle) transceiver NOT have a touchscreen or panadapter. It can create additional distracted driver problems, and we have enough of that already with automotive touchscreens, navigation systems, and the like. I for one do not operate mobile - my eyes and attention need to be on the road and not some device in the vehicle. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/1/2019 7:09 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote: I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single package the size of which is like kx3... пн, 1 июл. 2019 г., 13:16 Nr4c : Not mentioned so far. BTW: What is a “mobile” version? They’ve so fa not done this for any other radio. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote: It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@montac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
May I suggest that any Mobile (meaning mounted in a vehicle) transceiver NOT have a touchscreen or panadapter. It can create additional distracted driver problems, and we have enough of that already with automotive touchscreens, navigation systems, and the like. I for one do not operate mobile - my eyes and attention need to be on the road and not some device in the vehicle. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/1/2019 7:09 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote: I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single package the size of which is like kx3... пн, 1 июл. 2019 г., 13:16 Nr4c : Not mentioned so far. BTW: What is a “mobile” version? They’ve so fa not done this for any other radio. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote: It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
I recently bought a mcHF (a real one, not a clone) and, as much as I like it, I wish Elecraft would make a similar radio. The main advantages of a mcHF over anything else out there are its built-in panadapter and its one-cable connection to a PC for digital modes. No PC required for SSB, CW or PSK31. The KX2 and mcHF are of a similar size and are shown together here for comparison: http://ae5x.blogspot.com/2019/05/comparing-mchf-and-kx2.html Disadvantages of the mcHF - and where an Elecraft (KX4) would shine - are in support and documentation. I hope we'll see a KX4 soon, with all the Elecraft advantages and none of the mcHF's shortcomings. John AE5X __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single package the size of which is like kx3... пн, 1 июл. 2019 г., 13:16 Nr4c : > Not mentioned so far. > > BTW: What is a “mobile” version? They’ve so fa not done this for any > other radio. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote: > > > > It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4? > > > > 73! Sergey RM6AA. > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
Not mentioned so far. BTW: What is a “mobile” version? They’ve so fa not done this for any other radio. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote: > > It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4? > > 73! Sergey RM6AA. > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4? 73! Sergey RM6AA. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
