[Elecraft] K1 or KX1? Backpacking Analysis

2005-08-02 Thread mvamis

... the KX1 wins handsdown for backpacking...



Strange!  Before the KX1 came out, the K1 was generally
acknowledged as the best multi-band backpacking rig
available.  It is no less suitable for that task today.


I think you misunderstand.  Let me look at your comments 
one at a time.


   If one is happy with the limited number of bands
   covered by the KX1

The KX1 covers 20, 30 and 40 meters.  When one is talking 
about backpacking, they are spending a majority of their 
time hiking. Generally, and this will vary by person, a 
backpacker will hike during the day and set up camp during 
the late afternoon or early evening. I don't think that 
having the full spectrum of bands is going to add 
significantly to the hikers (aka ham's) enjoyment of his 
evening's operating, While it would certainly be nice to 
have a rig that was equipped with 10 through 80, I would 
suppose that only 1 or 2 bands would actually be used 
before it's time to hit the sack.


   and recognizes that there is absolutely **no** 
physical
   way that KX1 receiver RF performance can match that of 
a

   properly constructed  K1 in any area other than VFO
   stability,

There are others here on this list that would say the 
difference is very minimal. Since I don't own a K1, I 
can't comment.


   and that the ATU in the KX1 can't come close to the
   matching range of the K1's KAT1

Again, remember that the hiker is backpacking, and as such 
is carrying a small radio and minimal antenna.  If I were 
to hike today, I would take the KX1 with 25' of antenna 
wire and 16' of counterpoise wire.  Since the wire used 
would be very small, it would be light and compact. The 
KX1 easily matches that wire, once strung in a tree, to a 
perfect 1:1 on all 3 of its bands, which is all that is 
needed.  While it IS true the K1's ATU may be better at 
matching systems under more difficult situations, that 
capability is not needed when out doors with a 25' of 
wire.


   On the other hand, if RF performance *on the ham CW
   bands* is important, the K1 stands as the best of the
   two.

I'm not sure how you justify that statement, but oh well.

   I don't care that I can't use it for shortwave
   broadcasts or to copy the ham phone bands.  I've got a
   Sony portable that'll do that quite adequately, with
   essential AM/FM coverage to boot.

Are you needing to carry that too?  That is an additional 
weight and more hardware to pack that is not required with 
the KX1.


Specs that are important to me:

The KX1 is 1.4 x 5.8 x 3.0 and weighs 9 oz (excluding 
options)
It has a current drain of 32 mA on receive and 300-700 mA 
on transmit.


The K1 is 2.4 x 5.2 x 7.1 and weighs 1.4 lbs (excluding 
options)
It has a current drain of 55 mA on receive and 700-900 mA 
on transmit.


The KX1 runs on 6 AA batteries, and will output 1.5 to 
2.0 watts.
The K1 runs on 8 AA batteries (with optional KBT1 
installed) and will output 5 watts.


The KX1 comes with a small keyer that attaches directly to 
the side of the KX1.

The K1 requires a separate keyer.

Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to tell you that the 
K1 is in anyway a lesser radio than the KX1. In fact, I 
own a KX1 and I am seriously considering purchasing a K1. 
There ARE some situations where the K1 just would be a 
better fit than the KX1.


What I am talking about here is the practicality taking a 
ham radio hiking into the mountains. If I could carry it 
and the necessary hardware, I would love to hike into the 
woods with a K2 and a nice Buddipole. But being practical, 
I see the sense in having the KX1 as my radio of choice 
for backpacking, and thus the original statement...


the KX1 wins handsdown for backpacking...

Matt - K7OE
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Re: [Elecraft] K1 or KX1? Backpacking Analysis

2005-08-02 Thread W0rw
The KX1 is better for Pedestrian Mobile operation.
Why not operate while you hike ?

Paul w0rw
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[Elecraft] K1 or KX1? Backpacking Analysis -- comment

2005-08-02 Thread crmabbott
I can only say that 80 percent of my contacts are on 20 or 40.  So the number 
of bands covered by K1 or KX1 would not be an issue.  The rig I use as all the 
bands available but I have favorites and I am sure it would be similar with the 
hikers too??

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 ... the KX1 wins handsdown for backpacking...
 
  Strange!  Before the KX1 came out, the K1 was generally
  acknowledged as the best multi-band backpacking rig
  available.  It is no less suitable for that task today.
 
 I think you misunderstand.  Let me look at your comments 
 one at a time.
 
 If one is happy with the limited number of bands
 covered by the KX1
 
 The KX1 covers 20, 30 and 40 meters.  When one is talking 
 about backpacking, they are spending a majority of their 
 time hiking. Generally, and this will vary by person, a 
 backpacker will hike during the day and set up camp during 
 the late afternoon or early evening. I don't think that 
 having the full spectrum of bands is going to add 
 significantly to the hikers (aka ham's) enjoyment of his 
 evening's operating, While it would certainly be nice to 
 have a rig that was equipped with 10 through 80, I would 
 suppose that only 1 or 2 bands would actually be used 
 before it's time to hit the sack.
 
 and recognizes that there is absolutely **no** 
 physical
 way that KX1 receiver RF performance can match that of 
 a
 properly constructed  K1 in any area other than VFO
 stability,
 
 There are others here on this list that would say the 
 difference is very minimal. Since I don't own a K1, I 
 can't comment.
 
 and that the ATU in the KX1 can't come close to the
 matching range of the K1's KAT1
 
 Again, remember that the hiker is backpacking, and as such 
 is carrying a small radio and minimal antenna.  If I were 
 to hike today, I would take the KX1 with 25' of antenna 
 wire and 16' of counterpoise wire.  Since the wire used 
 would be very small, it would be light and compact. The 
 KX1 easily matches that wire, once strung in a tree, to a 
 perfect 1:1 on all 3 of its bands, which is all that is 
 needed.  While it IS true the K1's ATU may be better at 
 matching systems under more difficult situations, that 
 capability is not needed when out doors with a 25' of 
 wire.
 
 On the other hand, if RF performance *on the ham CW
 bands* is important, the K1 stands as the best of the
 two.
 
 I'm not sure how you justify that statement, but oh well.
 
 I don't care that I can't use it for shortwave
 broadcasts or to copy the ham phone bands.  I've got a
 Sony portable that'll do that quite adequately, with
 essential AM/FM coverage to boot.
 
 Are you needing to carry that too?  That is an additional 
 weight and more hardware to pack that is not required with 
 the KX1.
 
 Specs that are important to me:
 
 The KX1 is 1.4 x 5.8 x 3.0 and weighs 9 oz (excluding 
 options)
 It has a current drain of 32 mA on receive and 300-700 mA 
 on transmit.
 
 The K1 is 2.4 x 5.2 x 7.1 and weighs 1.4 lbs (excluding 
 options)
 It has a current drain of 55 mA on receive and 700-900 mA 
 on transmit.
 
 The KX1 runs on 6 AA batteries, and will output 1.5 to 
 2.0 watts.
 The K1 runs on 8 AA batteries (with optional KBT1 
 installed) and will output 5 watts.
 
 The KX1 comes with a small keyer that attaches directly to 
 the side of the KX1.
 The K1 requires a separate keyer.
 
 Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to tell you that the 
 K1 is in anyway a lesser radio than the KX1. In fact, I 
 own a KX1 and I am seriously considering purchasing a K1. 
 There ARE some situations where the K1 just would be a 
 better fit than the KX1.
 
 What I am talking about here is the practicality taking a 
 ham radio hiking into the mountains. If I could carry it 
 and the necessary hardware, I would love to hike into the 
 woods with a K2 and a nice Buddipole. But being practical, 
 I see the sense in having the KX1 as my radio of choice 
 for backpacking, and thus the original statement...
 
 the KX1 wins handsdown for backpacking...
 
 Matt - K7OE
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