Re: [Elecraft] K3: Contesters using N1MM voice keyer versus K3DVK
On 9/4/2011 5:36 PM, Torsten Clay wrote: > I use a simple (1 transistor) homebrew mic preamp > between the microphone (Heil dynamic headset) and the computer audio in. > Audio out from the computer goes straight to the back of the K3. I can't think of a reason why that should be required unless the laptop doesn't have a preamp on the mic input. As you have noted, it's possible to use the computer sound card with N1MM (and with some other logging software) to route a mic plugged into the sound card to two radios. I've done that, and it works. However, a much better solution is a hardware SO2R box, like the one put together by a team at the Yankee Clipper Contest Club in New England. It's a kit, and they have done at least three group purchases of the parts to build them. I got in on the second group, and am VERY pleased with it. Dennis, W1UE, is the guy to talk to. As I recall, I paid about $200 and built it in something like 4-6 hours. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Contesters using N1MM voice keyer versus K3DVK
k6dgw wrote: > > > Well ... not really so. The K3DVR has a number of advantages, the > largest by far is that when you play your messages recorded with your > microphone, they sound *exactly* like you're live, down to whatever > background noise you have in your shack. Level, compression, and TX EQ > are identical to your mic audio. A large number of recorded CQ's and > exchanges in SSB contests are more or less unintelligible. Usually way > over driven, way too much compression, and restricted audio spectrum. > Such is not the case with the K3DVR. > > The same can be true when using N1MM and a soundcard: set it up so that the mic runs into the COMPUTER audio input. Because the audio is running in the same path (through the computer) for both recorded messages and live mic use it sounds EXACTLY the same for both. I don't operate SSB contests that much but I just use N1MM and a soundcard because it is cheaper than buying the K3DVR. I use a simple (1 transistor) homebrew mic preamp between the microphone (Heil dynamic headset) and the computer audio in. Audio out from the computer goes straight to the back of the K3. Tor N4OGW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Contesters-using-N1MM-voice-keyer-versus-K3DVK-tp6757603p6759514.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Contesters using N1MM voice keyer versus K3DVK
Fred, I agree regarding the K3 messages, which I enjoy using, mainly because you can easily rerecord them and they sound the same as speaking into the radio normally. In my software, CQPWIN, I can actuate them from the function buttons. This works well because I have the software calibrate the length of each message, so it can do repeats properly, and also insert a variable delay, which I found necessary to notch out the small dead time I usually seem to put into the message due to button pushing when they are recorded. With those two additions, using the K3s messages is completely transparent. 73, andy ae6y -- From: "Fred Jensen" Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 10:54 AM To: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Contesters using N1MM voice keyer versus K3DVK > On 9/3/2011 6:55 PM, Buck k4ia wrote: >> The advantage of the N1MM voice keyer is that it will automatically send >> the next message depending on where you are in the logging sequence. >> You can also go so far as to record individual letters and it will >> string them together to "say" callsigns and incremental QSO numbers. >> Its a lot of work to do that trick but it can be done. > > Yes, a LOT of work and it doesn't sound all that good. >> >> If you use the K3DVK, you have to take your hands off the keyboard to >> punch a button on the front panel of the radio and your number of >> available messages is much more limited. > > Well ... not really so. The K3DVR has a number of advantages, the > largest by far is that when you play your messages recorded with your > microphone, they sound *exactly* like you're live, down to whatever > background noise you have in your shack. Level, compression, and TX EQ > are identical to your mic audio. A large number of recorded CQ's and > exchanges in SSB contests are more or less unintelligible. Usually way > over driven, way too much compression, and restricted audio spectrum. > Such is not the case with the K3DVR. > > You don't have to take your hands off the keyboard if you are using N1MM > or any logger that allows you to send CAT commands to the radio. Check > out Iain's tutorial at [www.dseven.org/ar/n1mm-kdvr3]. Basically, you > just program a K3 command that emulates tapping one of the "M" buttons. > > A very minor problem, which goes away once you realize it, is that the > logger doesn't know when the voice message is finished. It just sends > the command and thinks it is done. In most SSB contests, I've found the > only useful message is my CQ. The one exception is ARRL Sweepstakes, > where I record the "Uniform Kilo Six Delta Golf Whisky five three Sierra > Victor." I step on the footswitch, say "hiscall NUMBER ," hit the > F-key which sends the exchange and VOX keys the radio. I can release > the footswitch whenever. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011 > - www.cqp.org > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Contesters using N1MM voice keyer versus K3DVK
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 9/3/2011 6:55 PM, Buck k4ia wrote: >> If you use the K3DVK, you have to take your hands off the keyboard to >> punch a button on the front panel of the radio and your number of >> available messages is much more limited. > > No, you can program N1MM to send macros that will activate the K3DVK. > That's the good news. The bad news is that if you accidentally tap your > mic or hit it with breathe noise it will halt the playback from the > K3DVK. This is a train wreck if you, like most of us, want to slurp > coffee or munch on something while the DVK is calling CQ. Last I heard, > Elecraft considers this a "feature" rather than a bug. For me, it's a > great reason to NOT buy the K3DVK. and it's only an issue if you use VOX, which not everyone does... ~iain / N6ML __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Contesters using N1MM voice keyer versus K3DVK
On 9/4/2011 10:39 AM, Luis V. Romero wrote: > You need to have a computer and the microKEYER running and interfaced to use > DVK. > You need to buy the MK2, but it has other, added features, that add value to > the equation. An MK2 box or equivalent is NOT required for high quality playback free of hum and buzz. My tutorial on Ham Interfacing shows how simple bonding and properly wired cables do everything needed. 73, Jim Brown K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Contesters using N1MM voice keyer versus K3DVK
On 9/3/2011 6:55 PM, Buck k4ia wrote: > If you use the K3DVK, you have to take your hands off the keyboard to > punch a button on the front panel of the radio and your number of > available messages is much more limited. No, you can program N1MM to send macros that will activate the K3DVK. That's the good news. The bad news is that if you accidentally tap your mic or hit it with breathe noise it will halt the playback from the K3DVK. This is a train wreck if you, like most of us, want to slurp coffee or munch on something while the DVK is calling CQ. Last I heard, Elecraft considers this a "feature" rather than a bug. For me, it's a great reason to NOT buy the K3DVK. > And, the N1MM voice keyer is free. Yes. One potential issue is that you may run into some erratic playback with a slow hard drive or slow computer. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Contesters using N1MM voice keyer versus K3DVK
On 9/3/2011 6:55 PM, Buck k4ia wrote: > The advantage of the N1MM voice keyer is that it will automatically send > the next message depending on where you are in the logging sequence. > You can also go so far as to record individual letters and it will > string them together to "say" callsigns and incremental QSO numbers. > Its a lot of work to do that trick but it can be done. Yes, a LOT of work and it doesn't sound all that good. > > If you use the K3DVK, you have to take your hands off the keyboard to > punch a button on the front panel of the radio and your number of > available messages is much more limited. Well ... not really so. The K3DVR has a number of advantages, the largest by far is that when you play your messages recorded with your microphone, they sound *exactly* like you're live, down to whatever background noise you have in your shack. Level, compression, and TX EQ are identical to your mic audio. A large number of recorded CQ's and exchanges in SSB contests are more or less unintelligible. Usually way over driven, way too much compression, and restricted audio spectrum. Such is not the case with the K3DVR. You don't have to take your hands off the keyboard if you are using N1MM or any logger that allows you to send CAT commands to the radio. Check out Iain's tutorial at [www.dseven.org/ar/n1mm-kdvr3]. Basically, you just program a K3 command that emulates tapping one of the "M" buttons. A very minor problem, which goes away once you realize it, is that the logger doesn't know when the voice message is finished. It just sends the command and thinks it is done. In most SSB contests, I've found the only useful message is my CQ. The one exception is ARRL Sweepstakes, where I record the "Uniform Kilo Six Delta Golf Whisky five three Sierra Victor." I step on the footswitch, say "hiscall NUMBER ," hit the F-key which sends the exchange and VOX keys the radio. I can release the footswitch whenever. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Contesters using N1MM voice keyer versus K3DVK
ng their audio with my EQ and Processor settings. This works very well for me, but of course, your milage may vary. Regards and 73 Lu Romero - W4LT K3 # 3192/P3 # 1301 ============ Message: 21 Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 21:46:03 -0400 From: DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Contesters using N1MM voice keyer versus K3DVK To: Elecraft Reflector Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi... I am a fossil using CT on DOS.? I am now upgrading and am wondering about using the N1MM "DVK" option versus or in conjunction with the K3DVK (which I do not yet own). I suggest that you reply off-reflector; that is, directly to me, but clearly, "your choice." 1.? If you utilize the "DVK" in N1MM instead of the K3DVK, please discuss that with me 2.? If you utilize N1MM to key the K3DVK please discuss that with me. 3.? Something else? I'd like to know "why" in each case. Thanks, de Doug KR2Q __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Contesters using N1MM voice keyer versus K3DVK
I haven't yet tried this myself but may if 10m looks good for CQ WW SSB: http://www.dseven.org/ar/n1mm-kdvr3 Thanks to N6ML for saving both of us a lot of work! 73, Bill DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: > > Hi... > > I am a fossil using CT on DOS. I am now upgrading and am wondering > about using the N1MM "DVK" option versus or in conjunction with the > K3DVK (which I do not yet own). > > I suggest that you reply off-reflector; that is, directly to me, but > clearly, "your choice." > > 1. If you utilize the "DVK" in N1MM instead of the K3DVK, please > discuss that with me > > 2. If you utilize N1MM to key the K3DVK please discuss that with me. > > 3. Something else? > > I'd like to know "why" in each case. > > Thanks, > de Doug KR2Q > > I dislike phone, but love contesting..maybe this will help. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Contesters-using-N1MM-voice-keyer-versus-K3DVK-tp6757603p6758224.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Contesters using N1MM voice keyer versus K3DVK
The advantage of the N1MM voice keyer is that it will automatically send the next message depending on where you are in the logging sequence. You can also go so far as to record individual letters and it will string them together to "say" callsigns and incremental QSO numbers. Its a lot of work to do that trick but it can be done. If you use the K3DVK, you have to take your hands off the keyboard to punch a button on the front panel of the radio and your number of available messages is much more limited. And, the N1MM voice keyer is free. Buck k4ia K3 # 101 On 9/3/2011 9:46 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: > Hi... > > I am a fossil using CT on DOS. I am now upgrading and am wondering > about using the N1MM "DVK" option versus or in conjunction with the > K3DVK (which I do not yet own). > > I suggest that you reply off-reflector; that is, directly to me, but > clearly, "your choice." > > 1. If you utilize the "DVK" in N1MM instead of the K3DVK, please > discuss that with me > > 2. If you utilize N1MM to key the K3DVK please discuss that with me. > > 3. Something else? > > I'd like to know "why" in each case. > > Thanks, > de Doug KR2Q > > I dislike phone, but love contesting..maybe this will help. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3: Contesters using N1MM voice keyer versus K3DVK
Hi... I am a fossil using CT on DOS. I am now upgrading and am wondering about using the N1MM "DVK" option versus or in conjunction with the K3DVK (which I do not yet own). I suggest that you reply off-reflector; that is, directly to me, but clearly, "your choice." 1. If you utilize the "DVK" in N1MM instead of the K3DVK, please discuss that with me 2. If you utilize N1MM to key the K3DVK please discuss that with me. 3. Something else? I'd like to know "why" in each case. Thanks, de Doug KR2Q I dislike phone, but love contesting..maybe this will help. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
