[Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread Bill W2BLC
Am I correct that the K3, KAT500, and KPA500 operates seemlessly when 
operating SSB and you QSY? Specifically, is any operator intervention 
(button pushing or tuning) need for QSY from the upper part of the band 
to the lower part of the band (ie: 3975 QSK to 3655). Can I just pick 
the mic and talk? Or, is some manual action required for the change?


Thanks,

Bill W2BLC

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread Ian Kahn - Ham
You do have to manually retune the transceiver.  However, if you have all
the Elecraft cabling in place according to Elecraft's instructions, the
KAT500 and KPA500 should follow you.  If you're QSYing in the same band, you
shouldn't have issues, anyway.  There woudn't be anything to change on the
tuner or amp.  You may get a short retune cycle if necessary, to match the
antenna to the different band segment, but that should be it.

Hope this helps.

73,

-- Ian
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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

Am I correct that the K3, KAT500, and KPA500 operates seemlessly when
operating SSB and you QSY? Specifically, is any operator intervention
(button pushing or tuning) need for QSY from the upper part of the band to
the lower part of the band (ie: 3975 QSK to 3655). Can I just pick the mic
and talk? Or, is some manual action required for the change?

Thanks,

Bill W2BLC

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread Gary Gregory
Ian,

When you set up the kat500, do a couple 'tune' cycles across each of the
bands prior to operating and then you will find no unexpected tune cycles.
Setting the kat500 swr bypass is helpful also.

Running my OCF (80/20) I get no unexpected retunes which makes operating
and qsy etc very easy on all bands including the WARC bands.

73


On 24 September 2013 22:23, Ian Kahn - Ham km4ik@gmail.com wrote:

 You do have to manually retune the transceiver.  However, if you have all
 the Elecraft cabling in place according to Elecraft's instructions, the
 KAT500 and KPA500 should follow you.  If you're QSYing in the same band,
 you
 shouldn't have issues, anyway.  There woudn't be anything to change on the
 tuner or amp.  You may get a short retune cycle if necessary, to match the
 antenna to the different band segment, but that should be it.

 Hope this helps.

 73,

 -- Ian
 Ian Kahn, KM4IK
 Roswell, GA  EM74ua
 km4ik@gmail.com
 K3 #281, P3 #688, KPA500 #1468
 HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team

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 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

 Am I correct that the K3, KAT500, and KPA500 operates seemlessly when
 operating SSB and you QSY? Specifically, is any operator intervention
 (button pushing or tuning) need for QSY from the upper part of the band to
 the lower part of the band (ie: 3975 QSK to 3655). Can I just pick the mic
 and talk? Or, is some manual action required for the change?

 Thanks,

 Bill W2BLC

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread iain macdonnell - N6ML
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 3:20 AM, Bill W2BLC w2...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 Am I correct that the K3, KAT500, and KPA500 operates seemlessly when
 operating SSB and you QSY? Specifically, is any operator intervention
 (button pushing or tuning) need for QSY from the upper part of the band to
 the lower part of the band (ie: 3975 QSK to 3655). Can I just pick the mic
 and talk? Or, is some manual action required for the change?

With firmware 1.20 or newer, the KAT500 will (unless you configure it
not to) automatically perform memory recall tunes as you move around
within a band - i.e. when it detects a frequency change, it will
recall the memory closest to the new frequency.

In AUTO mode, it will also initiate full tuning if necessary, based on
VSWR measured above the configured threshold. In MAN mode, it will not
initiate tuning based on VSWR. This is explained in mode detail in the
KAT500 Utility help.

Full tuning will require a key-down signal - SSB won't do it - so, as
Gary suggests, teaching it about various segments within each band
(especially 80m) will help with smooth operation as you QSY around.

73,

~iain / N6ML
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread Bill W2BLC
The reason I asked the original question is my experience with the 
KPA500 and KAT500:


KPA500 in the OPER mode.
KAT500 in AUTO (solid on).
K3 set to 25 Watts when running with the amp.
Everything has been well checked over for errors in installation and setup.

When I QSY between 3970 from 3755 and start talking on LSB - the KPA500 
and the KAT500 both go wild. The tuner does not appear to remember that 
both frequencies have been memorized or is very slow (several seconds) 
to make the determination. The tuner will click (relay noise) and the 
amp will show RED FAULT (REFL HI) and go to STBY.


Using the above frequencies, when I press the XMIT/TUNE button I get an 
immediate RED FAULT (REFL HI) however, the unit does not go into STDY. 
If the XMIT is kept on, the RED FAULT will switch off after about 3 or 4 
seconds and normal amp output power is noted. I can then talk and all is 
fine.


If this is how the combo is supposed to act, so be it - however, it 
isn't what I expected. When I purchased the KAT500 and KPA 500, I was 
under the impression it would follow me around the bands seamlessly, 
with only the VFO touched for QSY


The amp and tuner were factory built - so no chance of errors there. 
What am I missing? Or, is this how it is designed and is actually 
working properly?


Thanks,

Bill W2BLC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread Cady, Fred
One other quick note: You do have to transmit for the KAT to do a quick memory 
recall tune. It won't track receiver tuning.
Cheers,
Fred KE7X


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Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 3:20 AM, Bill W2BLC w2...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 Am I correct that the K3, KAT500, and KPA500 operates seemlessly when 
 operating SSB and you QSY? Specifically, is any operator intervention 
 (button pushing or tuning) need for QSY from the upper part of the 
 band to the lower part of the band (ie: 3975 QSK to 3655). Can I just 
 pick the mic and talk? Or, is some manual action required for the change?

With firmware 1.20 or newer, the KAT500 will (unless you configure it not to) 
automatically perform memory recall tunes as you move around within a band - 
i.e. when it detects a frequency change, it will recall the memory closest to 
the new frequency.

In AUTO mode, it will also initiate full tuning if necessary, based on VSWR 
measured above the configured threshold. In MAN mode, it will not initiate 
tuning based on VSWR. This is explained in mode detail in the
KAT500 Utility help.

Full tuning will require a key-down signal - SSB won't do it - so, as Gary 
suggests, teaching it about various segments within each band (especially 
80m) will help with smooth operation as you QSY around.

73,

~iain / N6ML
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread iain macdonnell - N6ML
Bill,

What firmware versions do you have on the KAT500 and KPA500? Both have
had fixes implemented to make this sort of operation more smooth.

Also confirm that you have the AUX (HD15) cabling in place between the
K3-KAT500-KPA500 (and no direct RCA keying line between the K3 and
KPA500) ?

73,

~iain / N6ML



On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Bill W2BLC w2...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 The reason I asked the original question is my experience with the KPA500
 and KAT500:

 KPA500 in the OPER mode.
 KAT500 in AUTO (solid on).
 K3 set to 25 Watts when running with the amp.
 Everything has been well checked over for errors in installation and setup.

 When I QSY between 3970 from 3755 and start talking on LSB - the KPA500 and
 the KAT500 both go wild. The tuner does not appear to remember that both
 frequencies have been memorized or is very slow (several seconds) to make
 the determination. The tuner will click (relay noise) and the amp will show
 RED FAULT (REFL HI) and go to STBY.

 Using the above frequencies, when I press the XMIT/TUNE button I get an
 immediate RED FAULT (REFL HI) however, the unit does not go into STDY. If
 the XMIT is kept on, the RED FAULT will switch off after about 3 or 4
 seconds and normal amp output power is noted. I can then talk and all is
 fine.

 If this is how the combo is supposed to act, so be it - however, it isn't
 what I expected. When I purchased the KAT500 and KPA 500, I was under the
 impression it would follow me around the bands seamlessly, with only the VFO
 touched for QSY

 The amp and tuner were factory built - so no chance of errors there. What am
 I missing? Or, is this how it is designed and is actually working
 properly?

 Thanks,

 Bill W2BLC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread George Danner
Bill,
Mine acts the same - until it transmits RF once!
That first transmit can (will) fault both the KPA500  KAT500.
I hadn't noticed that before because my 80m antenna is the only one with a 
significance difference in VSWR between the bottom  top of the band  I'm 
not on 80m very often but do operate at the bottom or top if I'm on 3.060 
MHz  3.975 MHz.
Thanks
73
George
AI4VZ

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From: Bill W2BLC
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:11 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

The reason I asked the original question is my experience with the
KPA500 and KAT500:

KPA500 in the OPER mode.
KAT500 in AUTO (solid on).
K3 set to 25 Watts when running with the amp.
Everything has been well checked over for errors in installation and setup.

When I QSY between 3970 from 3755 and start talking on LSB - the KPA500
and the KAT500 both go wild. The tuner does not appear to remember that
both frequencies have been memorized or is very slow (several seconds)
to make the determination. The tuner will click (relay noise) and the
amp will show RED FAULT (REFL HI) and go to STBY.

Using the above frequencies, when I press the XMIT/TUNE button I get an
immediate RED FAULT (REFL HI) however, the unit does not go into STDY.
If the XMIT is kept on, the RED FAULT will switch off after about 3 or 4
seconds and normal amp output power is noted. I can then talk and all is
fine.

If this is how the combo is supposed to act, so be it - however, it
isn't what I expected. When I purchased the KAT500 and KPA 500, I was
under the impression it would follow me around the bands seamlessly,
with only the VFO touched for QSY

The amp and tuner were factory built - so no chance of errors there.
What am I missing? Or, is this how it is designed and is actually
working properly?

Thanks,

Bill W2BLC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread Bill W2BLC

Latest updates have been made and factory cables are being used.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread Bill W2BLC
That is what I was looking for - I am not alone and perhaps it is just 
how things work on the combo.


If that is how things are, that is fine - still beats using a manual 
tuner and old tube amp!


Bill W2BLC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread Tom

Bill,

I'm a CW operator, but I believe you could try the method I use to
activate the tuner and amp before working phone on MARS frequencies.

After you have tuned the tuner on your favorite frequencies (phone
and/or CW), perform the actions below when you QSY.

1. Set the K3 to transmit CW in SSB mode.
2. Connect a cw key to the K3.
3. After you have moved to the new band, tap the CW key one time and
the tuner and amp will be ready to transmit SSB.

Tom N5GE

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:45:13 -0400, you wrote:

That is what I was looking for - I am not alone and perhaps it is just 
how things work on the combo.

If that is how things are, that is fine - still beats using a manual 
tuner and old tube amp!

Bill W2BLC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread Gary Gregory
Tom,

Your suggestion works well, however, when the kat500 is 'programmed' a qsy
in band or to another band does not require a Tx on CW. The kat500 will
interrupt the key line on the kpa500 and the memorized 'bin' appropriate
for the new frequency/band is selected automatically.

It took a few iteratiions of FW to get this done and it works as designed
now.

73


On 25 September 2013 01:04, Tom n...@n5ge.com wrote:


 Bill,

 I'm a CW operator, but I believe you could try the method I use to
 activate the tuner and amp before working phone on MARS frequencies.

 After you have tuned the tuner on your favorite frequencies (phone
 and/or CW), perform the actions below when you QSY.

 1. Set the K3 to transmit CW in SSB mode.
 2. Connect a cw key to the K3.
 3. After you have moved to the new band, tap the CW key one time and
 the tuner and amp will be ready to transmit SSB.

 Tom N5GE

 On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:45:13 -0400, you wrote:

 That is what I was looking for - I am not alone and perhaps it is just
 how things work on the combo.
 
 If that is how things are, that is fine - still beats using a manual
 tuner and old tube amp!
 
 Bill W2BLC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread iain macdonnell - N6ML
I think you should be able to get better results. If you're repeatedly
QSYing to a particular band segment, and experiencing full tunes and
KPA500 faults, something is not right. You might try contacting
support - there is detailed diagnostic tracing that can be engaged for
situations like this, if you can reproduce the problem

73,

~iain / N6ML



On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Bill W2BLC w2...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 That is what I was looking for - I am not alone and perhaps it is just how
 things work on the combo.

 If that is how things are, that is fine - still beats using a manual tuner
 and old tube amp!


 Bill W2BLC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread Phil Debbie Salas
I just press TUNE on the K3 when I QSY before operating.  This puts out a 
lower-powered carrier and the KAT500 selects the right tuning combination.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread Mike K2MK
Hi Bill,

Help us by stating your firmware rev levels. Latest Updates might not
include Beta releases for some folks.

73,
Mike K2MK


Bill W2BLC wrote
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread Tom
All,

The setting of CW on SSB here is not set to help with tuner and amp
operation, (although a tap is faster than a hold) ;o).  I've  set it
that way because when I work 6m, 2m and 70cm phone, it's advantageous
to be able to send CW when propagation fades.

Some may disagree, but in my opinion, (and I could be wrong) CW is
still the most reliable form of communication during poor conditions,
due to it's narrow band width and narrow filtering possibilities.

Tom

On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:11:18 +1000, you wrote:

Tom,

Your suggestion works well, however, when the kat500 is 'programmed' a qsy
in band or to another band does not require a Tx on CW. The kat500 will
interrupt the key line on the kpa500 and the memorized 'bin' appropriate
for the new frequency/band is selected automatically.

It took a few iteratiions of FW to get this done and it works as designed
now.

73


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread John E. Reiser

Bill, W2BLC,

What is the VSWR of your antenna at 3.965?  Is the KAT500 stable with 100 
watts?  That would be a big clue to what is going on.  Any tuner's 
power-handling capability decreases as VSWR rises.


73,

John, W2GW


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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500


The reason I asked the original question is my experience with the KPA500 
and KAT500:


KPA500 in the OPER mode.
KAT500 in AUTO (solid on).
K3 set to 25 Watts when running with the amp.
Everything has been well checked over for errors in installation and 
setup.


When I QSY between 3970 from 3755 and start talking on LSB - the KPA500 
and the KAT500 both go wild. The tuner does not appear to remember that 
both frequencies have been memorized or is very slow (several seconds) 
to make the determination. The tuner will click (relay noise) and the amp 
will show RED FAULT (REFL HI) and go to STBY.


Using the above frequencies, when I press the XMIT/TUNE button I get an 
immediate RED FAULT (REFL HI) however, the unit does not go into STDY. If 
the XMIT is kept on, the RED FAULT will switch off after about 3 or 4 
seconds and normal amp output power is noted. I can then talk and all is 
fine.


If this is how the combo is supposed to act, so be it - however, it isn't 
what I expected. When I purchased the KAT500 and KPA 500, I was under the 
impression it would follow me around the bands seamlessly, with only the 
VFO touched for QSY


The amp and tuner were factory built - so no chance of errors there. What 
am I missing? Or, is this how it is designed and is actually working 
properly?


Thanks,

Bill W2BLC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - operation with the KPA500 and KAT500

2013-09-24 Thread Fred Jensen
Once I trained my KAT500 at the middle of each of its segments for 
each band and for each antenna usable on that band, I run it in MAN 
mode.  My understanding is that in MAN, it will fetch the appropriate 
values when it first smells RF [or is told on the port to the radio], 
but it won't automatically enter a tune cycle.  In AUTO, it fetchs the 
values from memory and set the relays [almost instantly], but if the 
VSWR is above a threshold, it will enter a tune cycle automatically. 
This usually isn't so good, especially on SSB.


No matter how I QSY or how far [Big Knob or band change], it never does 
an unwanted tune cycle.  It selects the preferred antenna for the band 
and I transmit.  You do have to TX to get it to fetch the right values, 
I'm certain that it doesn't follow your receive frequency.


My antennas behave a bit differently when it's raining so I saved two 
configurations using the KAT500 Utility.  The checklist then is:


1.  Go into shack
2.  Look out window
3.  If it's raining and wasn't last time I was QRV, load Wet Config
4.  If it's dry but was raining last time I was QRV, load Dry Config
5.  If it's the same as last time I was QRV, call CQ DX :-)

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2013 Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2013
- www.cqp.org

On 9/24/2013 2:46 PM, John E. Reiser wrote:

Bill, W2BLC,

What is the VSWR of your antenna at 3.965?  Is the KAT500 stable with
100 watts?  That would be a big clue to what is going on.


W2BLC wrote

KPA500 in the OPER mode.
KAT500 in AUTO (solid on).
K3 set to 25 Watts when running with the amp.



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