Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

As a very long time Mac user, I have NEVER had to do any such thing for a 
Prolific or FTDI port for many different applications.  

First time for everything, I suppose, but unlikely.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342

> On Jan 6, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Al Lorona <alor...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Wow, things have changed. In the early years of the Macintosh its claim to 
> fame was true plug-and-play, where the user never had to go into the 
> operating system to execute commands, never had to see a "DOS prompt". Since 
> following this thread I see that that is no longer the case. That's too bad.
> 
> Al W6LX
> 
> 
> 
>> You may need to add your regular login username, to a group
>> sudo adduser  dialout  
>> Make yourself root to use that, as you need to on FreeBSD
>> In fact, run dmesg before, and after inserting the adapter, 
>> dmesg | tail  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[Charles Johnson]

Grant is entirely correct - there is no need to delve into the inner workings 
of the Mac to get a USB/serial port to work. Plug in the USB connector and the 
port will show as a connected device - by NAME - no COM port number.

Charles, K4ZRJ, Registered Apple Developer


> On Jan 6, 2017, at 1:56 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN  wrote:
> 
> As a very long time Mac user, I have NEVER had to do any such thing for a 
> Prolific or FTDI port for many different applications.  
> 
> First time for everything, I suppose, but unlikely.
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Al Lorona  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, things have changed. In the early years of the Macintosh its claim to 
>> fame was true plug-and-play, where the user never had to go into the 
>> operating system to execute commands, never had to see a "DOS prompt". Since 
>> following this thread I see that that is no longer the case. That's too bad.
>> 
>> Al W6LX
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> You may need to add your regular login username, to a group
>>> sudo adduser  dialout  
>>> Make yourself root to use that, as you need to on FreeBSD
>>> In fact, run dmesg before, and after inserting the adapter, 
>>> dmesg | tail  
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>> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

As a very long time Mac user, I have NEVER had to do any such thing for a 
Prolific or FTDI port for many different applications.  

First time for everything, I suppose, but unlikely.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342

> On Jan 6, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Al Lorona  wrote:
> 
> Wow, things have changed. In the early years of the Macintosh its claim to 
> fame was true plug-and-play, where the user never had to go into the 
> operating system to execute commands, never had to see a "DOS prompt". Since 
> following this thread I see that that is no longer the case. That's too bad.
> 
> Al W6LX
> 
> 
> 
>> You may need to add your regular login username, to a group
>> sudo adduser  dialout  
>> Make yourself root to use that, as you need to on FreeBSD
>> In fact, run dmesg before, and after inserting the adapter, 
>> dmesg | tail  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[Al Lorona]

Wow, things have changed. In the early years of the Macintosh its claim to fame 
was true plug-and-play, where the user never had to go into the operating 
system to execute commands, never had to see a "DOS prompt". Since following 
this thread I see that that is no longer the case. That's too bad.

Al W6LX



>You may need to add your regular login username, to a group
>sudo adduser  dialout  
>Make yourself root to use that, as you need to on FreeBSD
>In fact, run dmesg before, and after inserting the adapter, 
>dmesg | tail  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[John Stengrevics]

This AM, I was able to type "|s /dev “ in the Terminal window and I got a list 
containing the port ID.  That same ID was visible on the WSJT-X window, so I 
could select it and proceed.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Jan 6, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Marc Veeneman  wrote:
> 
> Don, on a Mac, the port indicator is provided by the FTDI adapter.  It's not 
> a simple 1,2, or 3.  It's a complex set of characters sent by the adapter.
> 
> This is not a Microsoft system, it's a Unix derivative which gives the user a 
> more direct view of what's happening.
> 
> Apple's support response was correct.  But the Elecraft Utility already shows 
> the FTDI response in a dropdown box, so there's no need to call Elecraft.
> -- 
> Marc W8SDG
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
>> 
>> I find it alarming that Apple support told you that you would have to get 
>> the COM port number from Elecraft.
>> The FTDI adapter in the K3S is just like any other FTDI adapter. The adapter 
>> does not assign the port number, that is done by the computer.
>> I would suggest contacting Apple support again and hopefully you will 
>> communicate with a more knowledgeable support person.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>>> 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[Marc Veeneman via Elecraft]

Don, on a Mac, the port indicator is provided by the FTDI adapter.  It's not a 
simple 1,2, or 3.  It's a complex set of characters sent by the adapter.

This is not a Microsoft system, it's a Unix derivative which gives the user a 
more direct view of what's happening.

Apple's support response was correct.  But the Elecraft Utility already shows 
the FTDI response in a dropdown box, so there's no need to call Elecraft.
-- 
Marc W8SDG

> On Jan 6, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> I find it alarming that Apple support told you that you would have to get the 
> COM port number from Elecraft.
> The FTDI adapter in the K3S is just like any other FTDI adapter. The adapter 
> does not assign the port number, that is done by the computer.
> I would suggest contacting Apple support again and hopefully you will 
> communicate with a more knowledgeable support person.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[John Stengrevics]

Hi Don,

This AM I was able to see the port on the WSJT-X window.  Don’t know what 
happened.  Just appeared.

Making progress.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Jan 6, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> I find it alarming that Apple support told you that you would have to get the 
> COM port number from Elecraft.
> The FTDI adapter in the K3S is just like any other FTDI adapter. The adapter 
> does not assign the port number, that is done by the computer.
> I would suggest contacting Apple support again and hopefully you will 
> communicate with a more knowledgeable support person.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 1/5/2017 9:30 PM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>> Hi Don,
>> 
>> The equivalent - System Information - doesn’t give the Com Number.  In fact, 
>> Apple tech support said I need to get it from Elecraft.
>> 
>> If there is anyone who has set their Mac up to work with the K3S, I would 
>> appreciate your input.
>> 
>> 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[Don Wilhelm]

I find it alarming that Apple support told you that you would have to 
get the COM port number from Elecraft.
The FTDI adapter in the K3S is just like any other FTDI adapter. The 
adapter does not assign the port number, that is done by the computer.
I would suggest contacting Apple support again and hopefully you will 
communicate with a more knowledgeable support person.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/5/2017 9:30 PM, John Stengrevics wrote:

Hi Don,

The equivalent - System Information - doesn’t give the Com Number.  In fact, 
Apple tech support said I need to get it from Elecraft.

If there is anyone who has set their Mac up to work with the K3S, I would 
appreciate your input.




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[Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[Jean-François Ménard]

Hi!

I running successfully WSJT-X with my MacBook Pro, but I don't care about the 
serial port, I'm using VOX for firing the radio, because I'm using MacLoggerDX 
for logging. In other word, WSJat-X do not CAT control the K3S, MLD is indeed 
controlling successfully, without any driver to install, the K3S using Elecraft 
USB cable.

I have been inspired by this article on how to setup my software.

http://www.eham.net/articles/37188

Best 73 de Jeff | VA2SS 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[Dave B via Elecraft]

As Mac OS is UNIX like...   (Nothing like Windows, more like BSD!)


You may need to add your regular login username, to a group for easy
access to the serial ports.

Under many Linux(s)

sudo adduser  dialout   (Substitute your regular login user name
for the )

Will do the job.   What the equivalent command would be on a MAC I don't
know in detail.   You may even first need to make yourself root to use
that, as you need to on FreeBSD, that the MAC OS is more like than Linux.


You should also be able to find out what any USB<>Serial adapter is
known as, by using a command line tool such as dmesg, and examining the
last few lines of that, just after connecting the device to the computer.

In fact, run dmesg before, and after inserting the adapter, you'll then
see the difference...

( dmesg | tail   Should only show you the last 10 lines, not the entire
stored archive!)


Note too, that WSJT etc, uses Hamlib for radio control, that in turn
uses whatever that needs to reach the radio(s.)  So, if not already done
as part of the WSJT install, you may also need to install that separately.


73.

Dave G0WBX.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[Edward R Cole]

Just a thought but if WSJT is asking for com port entries maybe you 
downloaded the windows software for WSJT-X.


There are three versions of WSJT-X:
Windows
Linux
Macintosh OS-X

Also use the on-line WSJT-X Users Guide:
http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-1.7.0.html

look at Section 3. Installation

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[Bill Frantz]

I have not tried WSJT-X, but when I use RUMlogNG, to connect to 
the K3 (with the upgrade to the internal K3S internal USB), I 
get a choice of:


  Not Used
  Bluetooth-Incoming-Port
  usbserial-A503XYB1

The usbserial-A503XYB1 is the correct choice.

I can also ls /dev in Terminal, so I don't know what is 
happening with John's system. I see a device: 
'cu.usbserial-A503XYB1' which is probably my K3.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[Bob Nielsen]

Macs do not use COM numbers.  Go to About this Mac/System Report/USB.   
I don't have a K3S (unfortunately), but with my IC-7100 under one of the 
Hub entries it shows CP2102 USB to UART Bridge Controller.   If the K3S 
uses a different chip, the wording will be different.  If you disconnect 
the USB line from the radio to the Mac, this entry will go away, as Don 
said.


Bob, N7XY


On 1/5/17 6:30 PM, John Stengrevics wrote:

Hi Don,

The equivalent - System Information - doesn’t give the Com Number.  In fact, 
Apple tech support said I need to get it from Elecraft.

If there is anyone who has set their Mac up to work with the K3S, I would 
appreciate your input.

Thanks,

John
WA1EAZ


On Jan 5, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

John,

I don't know the Mac, but it should be similar to Windows.
Go to the Mac equivalent of Device Manager, and unplug the USB cable - see which 
"COM Port" goes away.
Then plug the USB cable back in and observe which COM port is added.
Tell WSJT-X which COM port it should use.

No additional driver should be required unless the COM port shows an error.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/5/2017 7:48 PM, stengrevics wrote:

Two very basic questions as I am just getting started:

1.  How do I determine the COM number or Serial Port Number to enter in the
Radio Tab? (I am using a Mac)

2.  I only want to use the computer to operate WSJT-X, no need to control
anything else.  Do I need to download a driver of some kind?

Thanks,

John
WA1EAZ



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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[kevino z]

I meant prompted for the password, not promoted...
good luck and good night.
-Kevin (KK4YEL)

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On Jan 5, 2017, at 22:21, John Stengrevics 
> wrote:

Hi Kevin,

I was told I wouldn't need to download any drivers.

When I type the command into Terminal, all I get is "permission denied."

John
WA1EAZ

On Jan 5, 2017, at 10:04 PM, kevino z 
> wrote:

On a Mac, the serial ports are listed under /dev (devices).

I assume you downloaded and installed the drivers for your KUSB from here 
http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm
And then connected up the cable.

Do you know how to open a terminal on OS X ?  If so, when the KUSB cable is 
connected, you can check with a command that lists the devices in /dev

See this page for a general understanding and example 
https://software.intel.com/en-us/setting-up-serial-terminal-on-system-with-mac-os-x


-Kevin (KK4YEL)



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On Jan 5, 2017, at 21:33, John Stengrevics 
> wrote:

Hi Don,

The equivalent - System Information - doesn't give the Com Number.  In fact, 
Apple tech support said I need to get it from Elecraft.

If there is anyone who has set their Mac up to work with the K3S, I would 
appreciate your input.

Thanks,

John
WA1EAZ

On Jan 5, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Don Wilhelm 
> wrote:

John,

I don't know the Mac, but it should be similar to Windows.
Go to the Mac equivalent of Device Manager, and unplug the USB cable - see 
which "COM Port" goes away.
Then plug the USB cable back in and observe which COM port is added.
Tell WSJT-X which COM port it should use.

No additional driver should be required unless the COM port shows an error.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/5/2017 7:48 PM, stengrevics wrote:
Two very basic questions as I am just getting started:

1.  How do I determine the COM number or Serial Port Number to enter in the
Radio Tab? (I am using a Mac)

2.  I only want to use the computer to operate WSJT-X, no need to control
anything else.  Do I need to download a driver of some kind?

Thanks,

John
WA1EAZ



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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[kevino z]

I can't remember if I downloaded the drivers or not. Perhaps your user is not 
elevated / privileged ? When you go to the System Preferences, click Users & 
Groups, and see what the current user is, does it show Admin or Standard?
If standard, you may need to put
 sudo
In front  of the command, for example
   sudo ls /dev/cu.*

And then you will be promoted for the Admin password.
Maybe half of your problem is your user is not privileged and can't install the 
comm port?

Just some ideas...
-Kevin (KK4YEL)

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On Jan 5, 2017, at 22:21, John Stengrevics 
> wrote:

Hi Kevin,

I was told I wouldn't need to download any drivers.

When I type the command into Terminal, all I get is "permission denied."

John
WA1EAZ

On Jan 5, 2017, at 10:04 PM, kevino z 
> wrote:

On a Mac, the serial ports are listed under /dev (devices).

I assume you downloaded and installed the drivers for your KUSB from here 
http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm
And then connected up the cable.

Do you know how to open a terminal on OS X ?  If so, when the KUSB cable is 
connected, you can check with a command that lists the devices in /dev

See this page for a general understanding and example 
https://software.intel.com/en-us/setting-up-serial-terminal-on-system-with-mac-os-x


-Kevin (KK4YEL)



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On Jan 5, 2017, at 21:33, John Stengrevics 
> wrote:

Hi Don,

The equivalent - System Information - doesn't give the Com Number.  In fact, 
Apple tech support said I need to get it from Elecraft.

If there is anyone who has set their Mac up to work with the K3S, I would 
appreciate your input.

Thanks,

John
WA1EAZ

On Jan 5, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Don Wilhelm 
> wrote:

John,

I don't know the Mac, but it should be similar to Windows.
Go to the Mac equivalent of Device Manager, and unplug the USB cable - see 
which "COM Port" goes away.
Then plug the USB cable back in and observe which COM port is added.
Tell WSJT-X which COM port it should use.

No additional driver should be required unless the COM port shows an error.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/5/2017 7:48 PM, stengrevics wrote:
Two very basic questions as I am just getting started:

1.  How do I determine the COM number or Serial Port Number to enter in the
Radio Tab? (I am using a Mac)

2.  I only want to use the computer to operate WSJT-X, no need to control
anything else.  Do I need to download a driver of some kind?

Thanks,

John
WA1EAZ



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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[John Stengrevics]

Hi Kevin,

I was told I wouldn’t need to download any drivers.

When I type the command into Terminal, all I get is “permission denied.”

John
WA1EAZ

> On Jan 5, 2017, at 10:04 PM, kevino z  wrote:
> 
> On a Mac, the serial ports are listed under /dev (devices).
> 
> I assume you downloaded and installed the drivers for your KUSB from here 
> http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm 
> 
> And then connected up the cable.
> 
> Do you know how to open a terminal on OS X ?  If so, when the KUSB cable is 
> connected, you can check with a command that lists the devices in /dev
> 
> See this page for a general understanding and example 
> https://software.intel.com/en-us/setting-up-serial-terminal-on-system-with-mac-os-x
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -Kevin (KK4YEL)
> 
> 
> 
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> of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !
> 
> On Jan 5, 2017, at 21:33, John Stengrevics  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Don,
>> 
>> The equivalent - System Information - doesn’t give the Com Number.  In fact, 
>> Apple tech support said I need to get it from Elecraft.
>> 
>> If there is anyone who has set their Mac up to work with the K3S, I would 
>> appreciate your input.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Don Wilhelm >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> John,
>>> 
>>> I don't know the Mac, but it should be similar to Windows.
>>> Go to the Mac equivalent of Device Manager, and unplug the USB cable - see 
>>> which "COM Port" goes away.
>>> Then plug the USB cable back in and observe which COM port is added.
>>> Tell WSJT-X which COM port it should use.
>>> 
>>> No additional driver should be required unless the COM port shows an error.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>> 
>>> On 1/5/2017 7:48 PM, stengrevics wrote:
 Two very basic questions as I am just getting started:
 
 1.  How do I determine the COM number or Serial Port Number to enter in the
 Radio Tab? (I am using a Mac)
 
 2.  I only want to use the computer to operate WSJT-X, no need to control
 anything else.  Do I need to download a driver of some kind?
 
 Thanks,
 
 John
 WA1EAZ
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[kevino z]

On a Mac, the serial ports are listed under /dev (devices).

I assume you downloaded and installed the drivers for your KUSB from here 
http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm
And then connected up the cable.

Do you know how to open a terminal on OS X ?  If so, when the KUSB cable is 
connected, you can check with a command that lists the devices in /dev

See this page for a general understanding and example 
https://software.intel.com/en-us/setting-up-serial-terminal-on-system-with-mac-os-x


-Kevin (KK4YEL)



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On Jan 5, 2017, at 21:33, John Stengrevics 
> wrote:

Hi Don,

The equivalent - System Information - doesn't give the Com Number.  In fact, 
Apple tech support said I need to get it from Elecraft.

If there is anyone who has set their Mac up to work with the K3S, I would 
appreciate your input.

Thanks,

John
WA1EAZ

On Jan 5, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Don Wilhelm 
> wrote:

John,

I don't know the Mac, but it should be similar to Windows.
Go to the Mac equivalent of Device Manager, and unplug the USB cable - see 
which "COM Port" goes away.
Then plug the USB cable back in and observe which COM port is added.
Tell WSJT-X which COM port it should use.

No additional driver should be required unless the COM port shows an error.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/5/2017 7:48 PM, stengrevics wrote:
Two very basic questions as I am just getting started:

1.  How do I determine the COM number or Serial Port Number to enter in the
Radio Tab? (I am using a Mac)

2.  I only want to use the computer to operate WSJT-X, no need to control
anything else.  Do I need to download a driver of some kind?

Thanks,

John
WA1EAZ



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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[John Stengrevics]

Hi Don,

The equivalent - System Information - doesn’t give the Com Number.  In fact, 
Apple tech support said I need to get it from Elecraft.

If there is anyone who has set their Mac up to work with the K3S, I would 
appreciate your input.

Thanks,

John
WA1EAZ

> On Jan 5, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> I don't know the Mac, but it should be similar to Windows.
> Go to the Mac equivalent of Device Manager, and unplug the USB cable - see 
> which "COM Port" goes away.
> Then plug the USB cable back in and observe which COM port is added.
> Tell WSJT-X which COM port it should use.
> 
> No additional driver should be required unless the COM port shows an error.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 1/5/2017 7:48 PM, stengrevics wrote:
>> Two very basic questions as I am just getting started:
>> 
>> 1.  How do I determine the COM number or Serial Port Number to enter in the
>> Radio Tab? (I am using a Mac)
>> 
>> 2.  I only want to use the computer to operate WSJT-X, no need to control
>> anything else.  Do I need to download a driver of some kind?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[Don Wilhelm]

John,

I don't know the Mac, but it should be similar to Windows.
Go to the Mac equivalent of Device Manager, and unplug the USB cable - 
see which "COM Port" goes away.

Then plug the USB cable back in and observe which COM port is added.
Tell WSJT-X which COM port it should use.

No additional driver should be required unless the COM port shows an error.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/5/2017 7:48 PM, stengrevics wrote:

Two very basic questions as I am just getting started:

1.  How do I determine the COM number or Serial Port Number to enter in the
Radio Tab? (I am using a Mac)

2.  I only want to use the computer to operate WSJT-X, no need to control
anything else.  Do I need to download a driver of some kind?

Thanks,

John
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[Elecraft] K3S Set-up for WSJT-X

[stengrevics]

Two very basic questions as I am just getting started:

1.  How do I determine the COM number or Serial Port Number to enter in the
Radio Tab? (I am using a Mac)

2.  I only want to use the computer to operate WSJT-X, no need to control
anything else.  Do I need to download a driver of some kind?

Thanks,

John
WA1EAZ



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