Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
Wes: > I remember many years ago an expedition, (forgot who but their leader was the > banquet speaker at Visalia the one year I went, and he described this in his > talk) They were operating SSB on 14.195 and announcing listening 5 to 10 up. > But once in a while he would say, "Five to ten up...pause...and 14.190") Of > course everyone would immediately start calling up 5 to 10. I called on 14.190 > and worked him on one call. I can imagine it would be different on RTTY, but our CW operation from Vanuatu from YJ0V/YJ0PD was quite instructive. One approach to decoding the signals, all almost on the same frequency, and peaking at S2, was to find the edge of the pile and listen to the one you could decode. Many of the callers were quite savvy and would then jump to that frequency, making that the new "center". And the process would repeat. The thing about the rhythm (I mean this is a little different way than you are using it here--I mean the timing) is that it is a very important principle to use if many stations are calling you. Most of the crowd will get the pattern and follow it. Without the pattern, things can quickly turn into pandemonium. With the pattern, stations that don't hear you very well can catch on and only transmit in the "window". There were always a few that wouldn't follow, but the significant majority would. So the DX station has a lot of influence on the discipline of the pile. DIfferent stations would follow it to different degrees. JA was relatively loud compared to US and EU, so if we were trying to dig a US station out, one simple call to "us only" would clear up a temporary lull. No JA station would call then--none. So then we would do that for one or two QSOs and then open it back up to all callers. There was one EU country that I won't name that refused to follow any of our directions. One first we did was to provide in near real-time (within a minute or two) an acknowledgement on our web site that we had worked you. Our club "Prairie DX" was the first to do this. VK0IR did something similar prior to that, but it was not near real time. We first did it in the Saint Pierre and Miquelon Dxpedeition. This saved the kind of heartache that was the case with 3Y0J where there were pirates and you didn't know if you worked them or not until they were done. And yes--you don't need a second receiver to work split. But it is fun to have a different antenna feeding into each ear, such as your transmitting antenna in one ear, and an RBOG in the other. Fascinating stereo effect. Sorry for this being quite off topic. While one of the radios we had was an FT 1000 MP Mark V, in retrospect it would have been nice to have several K3S. w8lvn On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 1:29 PM Wes wrote: > I'm more-or-less with Andy on this one except I use the big brother TS-890 > and > don't need the external panadapter and I've never used CW Skimmer in my > life. I > will say that the best bandscope/panadapter I've ever used was an SDR-IQ, > running SpectraVue software on the i-f output of a K3 or K3S. > > In the TS-890, the RIT control can control the split TX frequency which is > displayed on the bandscope screen. I typically use it, without doing a > TF-Set > swap, to set my calling frequency. There is much more in working split > that > just hopping on the last callers QRG. More often than not, this is the > wrong > thing to do on CW. SSB is usually different because the DX announces > their > listening frequency, but you have to listen. Sometimes they spread the > pile by > saying up 5 to 15, but they only listen up 5. > > I remember many years ago an expedition, (forgot who but their leader was > the > banquet speaker at Visalia the one year I went, and he described this in > his > talk) They were operating SSB on 14.195 and announcing listening 5 to 10 > up. > But once in a while he would say, "Five to ten up...pause...and 14.190") > Of > course everyone would immediately start calling up 5 to 10. I called on > 14.190 > and worked him on one call. > > Sometimes the DX has a rhythm; they move up or down some Hz after each > call. > You need to figure this out. But sometimes they simply don't. I remember > calling my friend, Ned, AA7A, when he was operating RTTY from either or > both > VP8STI/VP8SGI. I called for about an hour while trying to figure out his > pattern. I finally figured out that he didn't have one. I picked a QRG > and > stuck with it until he found me. (I worked both stations) I talked to > him > later at a club meeting and he confirmed he just spun the dial. > > If you want to use a second RX and call on the last caller's frequency, > good for > you, and better for me. > > Wes N7WS > > On 11/7/2023 6:14 AM, Andy Durbin wrote: > > That was a head spinning discussion! No Elecraft transceiver here but > I've been working single RX Split with a TS-590S for as long as I have > owned it. > > > > For the TS-590 the key to working split pileups is the TF-SET key which >
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
Some years ago there was a DXpedition to VU4 (or VU7, not sure). It wasn't easy -- I was in California then. The pileups were tough and there was lots of DQRM. So I decided to wait a couple of days. Then there was a big tsunami, with tens of thousands of casualties. The operators were not hurt, but it was the end of the operation. It's always a good idea to work them as soon as possible. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 07/11/2023 21:41, Wes wrote: In this case I would say the DX operator is lousy. A 25 KHz spread on CW is ridiculous. It's even ridiculous on SSB. Wait for the pileups subside and work him when he's begging. Now if it's Glorioso, that's different. My #340. Wes N7WS On 11/7/2023 8:07 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: In certain situations you would definitely do better with a second receiver.Suppose you have a CW pileup on a rare station, where the pileup is 25 kHz wide, with many stations (can I say lids?) calling continuously, and the DX station is sending 35 wpm. It is very difficult to use REV or TF-SET to pick out the right spot and pop back to the DX in time. There is a built-in delay in the button, plus your reaction time. You can do it, but you will get more good shots at the DX with a second receiver. And the name of the game in breaking pileups is maximizing the number of calls you make on the right frequency. It takes a little care in setting up the right and left channels, plus some practice, but the two-receiver method is definitely superior. I go even farther and use the two receivers in my K3 for diversity reception, and have another transceiver that I use to listen to the pileup and transmit. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2vco@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
You don't call ON the frequency of the last QSO (usually). But you start there in determining the pattern. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 07/11/2023 21:28, Wes wrote: I'm more-or-less with Andy on this one except I use the big brother TS-890 and don't need the external panadapter and I've never used CW Skimmer in my life. I will say that the best bandscope/panadapter I've ever used was an SDR-IQ, running SpectraVue software on the i-f output of a K3 or K3S. In the TS-890, the RIT control can control the split TX frequency which is displayed on the bandscope screen. I typically use it, without doing a TF-Set swap, to set my calling frequency. There is much more in working split that just hopping on the last callers QRG. More often than not, this is the wrong thing to do on CW. SSB is usually different because the DX announces their listening frequency, but you have to listen. Sometimes they spread the pile by saying up 5 to 15, but they only listen up 5. I remember many years ago an expedition, (forgot who but their leader was the banquet speaker at Visalia the one year I went, and he described this in his talk) They were operating SSB on 14.195 and announcing listening 5 to 10 up. But once in a while he would say, "Five to ten up...pause...and 14.190") Of course everyone would immediately start calling up 5 to 10. I called on 14.190 and worked him on one call. Sometimes the DX has a rhythm; they move up or down some Hz after each call. You need to figure this out. But sometimes they simply don't. I remember calling my friend, Ned, AA7A, when he was operating RTTY from either or both VP8STI/VP8SGI. I called for about an hour while trying to figure out his pattern. I finally figured out that he didn't have one. I picked a QRG and stuck with it until he found me. (I worked both stations) I talked to him later at a club meeting and he confirmed he just spun the dial. If you want to use a second RX and call on the last caller's frequency, good for you, and better for me. Wes N7WS On 11/7/2023 6:14 AM, Andy Durbin wrote: That was a head spinning discussion! No Elecraft transceiver here but I've been working single RX Split with a TS-590S for as long as I have owned it. For the TS-590 the key to working split pileups is the TF-SET key which swaps TX and RX VFO as long as it is held. Sounds like Elecraft does the same with the REV key. Listen on the DX frequency, after his CQ or TU press TFSET to listen to the pileup. Spin the dial to find who is answering with a report, this sets the TX VFO to that frequency, adjust up or down based on prediction of DX listening point, release TF-SET and call after next TU. TF-SET, an SDR based panadapter, and CW Skimmer all help me when trying to work the big pileups. With TF-SET held I can click HDSDR (SDR panadapter) to set the TX VFO. I doubt I would do any better with a second receiver. 73, __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2vco@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
In this case I would say the DX operator is lousy. A 25 KHz spread on CW is ridiculous. It's even ridiculous on SSB. Wait for the pileups subside and work him when he's begging. Now if it's Glorioso, that's different. My #340. Wes N7WS On 11/7/2023 8:07 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: In certain situations you would definitely do better with a second receiver.Suppose you have a CW pileup on a rare station, where the pileup is 25 kHz wide, with many stations (can I say lids?) calling continuously, and the DX station is sending 35 wpm. It is very difficult to use REV or TF-SET to pick out the right spot and pop back to the DX in time. There is a built-in delay in the button, plus your reaction time. You can do it, but you will get more good shots at the DX with a second receiver. And the name of the game in breaking pileups is maximizing the number of calls you make on the right frequency. It takes a little care in setting up the right and left channels, plus some practice, but the two-receiver method is definitely superior. I go even farther and use the two receivers in my K3 for diversity reception, and have another transceiver that I use to listen to the pileup and transmit. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
I'm more-or-less with Andy on this one except I use the big brother TS-890 and don't need the external panadapter and I've never used CW Skimmer in my life. I will say that the best bandscope/panadapter I've ever used was an SDR-IQ, running SpectraVue software on the i-f output of a K3 or K3S. In the TS-890, the RIT control can control the split TX frequency which is displayed on the bandscope screen. I typically use it, without doing a TF-Set swap, to set my calling frequency. There is much more in working split that just hopping on the last callers QRG. More often than not, this is the wrong thing to do on CW. SSB is usually different because the DX announces their listening frequency, but you have to listen. Sometimes they spread the pile by saying up 5 to 15, but they only listen up 5. I remember many years ago an expedition, (forgot who but their leader was the banquet speaker at Visalia the one year I went, and he described this in his talk) They were operating SSB on 14.195 and announcing listening 5 to 10 up. But once in a while he would say, "Five to ten up...pause...and 14.190") Of course everyone would immediately start calling up 5 to 10. I called on 14.190 and worked him on one call. Sometimes the DX has a rhythm; they move up or down some Hz after each call. You need to figure this out. But sometimes they simply don't. I remember calling my friend, Ned, AA7A, when he was operating RTTY from either or both VP8STI/VP8SGI. I called for about an hour while trying to figure out his pattern. I finally figured out that he didn't have one. I picked a QRG and stuck with it until he found me. (I worked both stations) I talked to him later at a club meeting and he confirmed he just spun the dial. If you want to use a second RX and call on the last caller's frequency, good for you, and better for me. Wes N7WS On 11/7/2023 6:14 AM, Andy Durbin wrote: That was a head spinning discussion! No Elecraft transceiver here but I've been working single RX Split with a TS-590S for as long as I have owned it. For the TS-590 the key to working split pileups is the TF-SET key which swaps TX and RX VFO as long as it is held. Sounds like Elecraft does the same with the REV key. Listen on the DX frequency, after his CQ or TU press TFSET to listen to the pileup. Spin the dial to find who is answering with a report, this sets the TX VFO to that frequency, adjust up or down based on prediction of DX listening point, release TF-SET and call after next TU. TF-SET, an SDR based panadapter, and CW Skimmer all help me when trying to work the big pileups. With TF-SET held I can click HDSDR (SDR panadapter) to set the TX VFO. I doubt I would do any better with a second receiver. 73, __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
In certain situations you would definitely do better with a second receiver.Suppose you have a CW pileup on a rare station, where the pileup is 25 kHz wide, with many stations (can I say lids?) calling continuously, and the DX station is sending 35 wpm. It is very difficult to use REV or TF-SET to pick out the right spot and pop back to the DX in time. There is a built-in delay in the button, plus your reaction time. You can do it, but you will get more good shots at the DX with a second receiver. And the name of the game in breaking pileups is maximizing the number of calls you make on the right frequency. It takes a little care in setting up the right and left channels, plus some practice, but the two-receiver method is definitely superior. I go even farther and use the two receivers in my K3 for diversity reception, and have another transceiver that I use to listen to the pileup and transmit. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 07/11/2023 15:14, Andy Durbin wrote: That was a head spinning discussion! No Elecraft transceiver here but I've been working single RX Split with a TS-590S for as long as I have owned it. For the TS-590 the key to working split pileups is the TF-SET key which swaps TX and RX VFO as long as it is held. Sounds like Elecraft does the same with the REV key. Listen on the DX frequency, after his CQ or TU press TFSET to listen to the pileup. Spin the dial to find who is answering with a report, this sets the TX VFO to that frequency, adjust up or down based on prediction of DX listening point, release TF-SET and call after next TU. TF-SET, an SDR based panadapter, and CW Skimmer all help me when trying to work the big pileups. With TF-SET held I can click HDSDR (SDR panadapter) to set the TX VFO. I doubt I would do any better with a second receiver. 73, Andy, k3wyc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2vco@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
That was a head spinning discussion! No Elecraft transceiver here but I've been working single RX Split with a TS-590S for as long as I have owned it. For the TS-590 the key to working split pileups is the TF-SET key which swaps TX and RX VFO as long as it is held. Sounds like Elecraft does the same with the REV key. Listen on the DX frequency, after his CQ or TU press TFSET to listen to the pileup. Spin the dial to find who is answering with a report, this sets the TX VFO to that frequency, adjust up or down based on prediction of DX listening point, release TF-SET and call after next TU. TF-SET, an SDR based panadapter, and CW Skimmer all help me when trying to work the big pileups. With TF-SET held I can click HDSDR (SDR panadapter) to set the TX VFO. I doubt I would do any better with a second receiver. 73, Andy, k3wyc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
On 11/6/2023 10:37 AM, Wes wrote: I've been licensed 65 years and I've never owned a transceiver with two receivers. I am one away (drat) from top of the DXCC Honor Roll, am on both the Mixed and Phone HR, am a few short on CW and have DXCC on nine bands. A person's needs/desires depends on goals and resources (like real estate). In the 15 years I've had the 2nd RX in the K3, I've found diversity RX to be quite helpful on 40M and below during contests and for DXpeditions over difficult paths. I strongly agree that a spectrum display is quite useful, especially with good frequency resolution and a long waterfall, and I find the display in the P3/SVGA much more useful than what's in the K4. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
Dave, You do not have to return the QSL cards! Yes, even the K2 will run split. You just cannot receive both frequencies at the same time. I have the subRX and always turn it on for a SPLIT QSO. My how one forgets after a bit of non use - it gets worse with age! 73, Don W3FPR On 11/5/2023 11:44 PM, David Gilbert wrote: There is a small arrow immediately to the right of the small "SPLIT" balloon. It says "TX" above the arrow and points to the transmit frequency. At least I see that on my K3 even when I haven't activated the subreceiver with the "SUB" button. Dave AB7E __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
Not only does one have to return the QSL cards, but they must turn in their EXTRA Class license for a Technician Class license. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 11/6/2023 2:36 PM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: I wonder how I can work split then on my K3/10 without a 2nd RX...do I have to return the QSL cards? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
SPLIT operation is easily accomplished with a single receiver K3S. Five easy steps follows: 1. Select the band, frequency and mode of your choice as seen on VFO A. (that's the big knob) 2. Press and release A > B button. This sets VFO A and VFO B to the same band, frequency and mode. 3. Press and hold A > B. Upon release of A > B button one is now in the SPLIT mode. You will observe the word "SPLIT" just above the VFO B frequency (right side) and TX above the letter B for VFO B . 4. Adjust VFO B for the desired TX frequency. (use the small knob) 5. VFO A is the receive frequency. That's it. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 11/6/2023 2:36 PM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Message: 8 Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 21:12:15 -0500 From: Richard To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I am having trouble understanding both the manual and N6FN?s Mini-manual when it comes to Split operation. I follow the ?directions? over and over but nothing happens. Does the fact that my K3S does not have a sub receiver mean that I can?t work split? If I?m wrong about that I would really appreciate a step-by-step How-To lesson in working split. Thanks. Cheers, Richard Kunc W4KBX - __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
I've been licensed 65 years and I've never owned a transceiver with two receivers. I am one away (drat) from top of the DXCC Honor Roll, am on both the Mixed and Phone HR, am a few short on CW and have DXCC on nine bands. In the last 10 or so years I've found a band scope to be more useful. With modern cheap SDRs it's trivial to do. Wes N7WS On 11/5/2023 7:59 PM, marvwhee...@nwlink.com wrote: Richard: It is not necessary to have the 2nd rcvr to work split. I have used my for 3 yrs without a 2nd rcvr and work split frequently.] Marv KG7V __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
That's what I do, although I don't typically get to step 6 unless I get lucky OR find where the DX is *actually *listening :)The REV button comes in handy for that, as does the P3 display. I obviously didn't buy the second RX - next transceiver I buy will definitely have that capability... 73 de W0ZF On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 11:58 AM Richard wrote: > Thanks to the many helping hands out there this is what seems to work with > no second receiver: > > 1. Lock VFO A on DX’s calling frequency > > 2. Tap A>B to copy DX’s frequency to VFO B > > 3. Tap DISP to see VFO B frequency below > > 4. Hold SPLIT to separate RX and TX > > 5. Tune VFO B “five-up” or as DX requests > > 6. Make stunning new DX contact > > Thanks again one and all. > > Cheers! > > Richard Kunc > Secret Mountain Laboratory > W4KBX > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave.w...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
Thanks to the many helping hands out there this is what seems to work with no second receiver: 1. Lock VFO A on DX’s calling frequency 2. Tap A>B to copy DX’s frequency to VFO B 3. Tap DISP to see VFO B frequency below 4. Hold SPLIT to separate RX and TX 5. Tune VFO B “five-up” or as DX requests 6. Make stunning new DX contact Thanks again one and all. Cheers! Richard Kunc Secret Mountain Laboratory W4KBX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
There is a small arrow immediately to the right of the small "SPLIT" balloon. It says "TX" above the arrow and points to the transmit frequency. At least I see that on my K3 even when I haven't activated the subreceiver with the "SUB" button. Dave AB7E On 11/5/2023 9:27 PM, Richard wrote: OK, good idea. 1. I tune the DX station normally. 2. I tap A>B to copy A frequency to B. 3. I press and hold SPLIT to separate RX and TX. 4. While holding REV I tune about “five up” or wherever the DX is listening. 5. I release REV and I see the DX’s frequency again. QUESTION: When I transmit there’s no visual indication on which frequency I’m transmitting. Should there be? Cheers. Richard W4KBX On Nov 5, 2023, at 10:11 PM, Rich wrote: It is quite simple just long press the A>B button and you will be in SPLIT mode. Tell us what you are doing that is not working Rich PS - I believe Crossband Split is not possible w/o a SUBRX, but not within the same band. On 11/5/2023 21:59 PM,marvwhee...@nwlink.com wrote: Richard: It is not necessary to have the 2nd rcvr to work split. I have used my for 3 yrs without a 2nd rcvr and work split frequently.] Marv KG7V -Original Message- From:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.netOn Behalf Of Richard Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 6:12 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation I am having trouble understanding both the manual and N6FN’s Mini-manual when it comes to Split operation. I follow the “directions” over and over but nothing happens. Does the fact that my K3S does not have a sub receiver mean that I can’t work split? If I’m wrong about that I would really appreciate a step-by-step How-To lesson in working split. Thanks. Cheers, Richard Kunc W4KBX __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered tomarvwhee...@nwlink.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered torwnewbo...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered toflat...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered toab7e...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
On Sun, Nov 5, 2023 at 9:27 PM W3FPR wrote: > The K3 (and K3S) does not have capability to operate SPLIT without the > subRX. Really? I wonder how I can work split then on my K3/10 without a 2nd RX...do I have to return the QSL cards? 73 de Lee, AA4GA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
If you have the CW decoder turned on, you won't see the TX frequency shown in the lower half (VFO B) of the K3 display. Otherwise, the VFO B frequency is shown in the lower half of the display. When you turn split on, there is a little triangle flag under the "TX" at the right end of the display that will point to the VFO B indicator, showing that when you transmit, VFO B will control the frequency. Turn split off, and the flag will point to the VFO A indicator again, showing that VFO A will control both the RX and TX frequencies. Hope that helps. 73, -- Dave, N8SBE On 2023-11-06 08:26, Rich wrote: The fact that SPLIT is displayed on the screen tells you that you are transmitting on VFO B, the TX freq does not appear in the VFO A screen position when you TX You do not need the REV button at all. Just use the VFO B tuning knob to adjust your VFO B freq +1 or +5 or whatever You are set Rich On 11/5/2023 23:27 PM, Richard wrote: OK, good idea. 1. I tune the DX station normally. 2. I tap A>B to copy A frequency to B. 3. I press and hold SPLIT to separate RX and TX. 4. While holding REV I tune about “five up” or wherever the DX is listening. 5. I release REV and I see the DX’s frequency again. QUESTION: When I transmit there’s no visual indication on which frequency I’m transmitting. Should there be? Cheers. Richard W4KBX On Nov 5, 2023, at 10:11 PM, Rich wrote: It is quite simple just long press the A>B button and you will be in SPLIT mode. Tell us what you are doing that is not working Rich PS - I believe Crossband Split is not possible w/o a SUBRX, but not within the same band. On 11/5/2023 21:59 PM, marvwhee...@nwlink.com wrote: Richard: It is not necessary to have the 2nd rcvr to work split. I have used my for 3 yrs without a 2nd rcvr and work split frequently.] Marv KG7V -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 6:12 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation I am having trouble understanding both the manual and N6FN’s Mini-manual when it comes to Split operation. I follow the “directions” over and over but nothing happens. Does the fact that my K3S does not have a sub receiver mean that I can’t work split? If I’m wrong about that I would really appreciate a step-by-step How-To lesson in working split. Thanks. Cheers, Richard Kunc W4KBX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to marvwhee...@nwlink.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rwnewbo...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to flat...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rwnewbo...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n8...@densbe.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
The fact that SPLIT is displayed on the screen tells you that you are transmitting on VFO B, the TX freq does not appear in the VFO A screen position when you TX You do not need the REV button at all. Just use the VFO B tuning knob to adjust your VFO B freq +1 or +5 or whatever You are set Rich On 11/5/2023 23:27 PM, Richard wrote: OK, good idea. 1. I tune the DX station normally. 2. I tap A>B to copy A frequency to B. 3. I press and hold SPLIT to separate RX and TX. 4. While holding REV I tune about “five up” or wherever the DX is listening. 5. I release REV and I see the DX’s frequency again. QUESTION: When I transmit there’s no visual indication on which frequency I’m transmitting. Should there be? Cheers. Richard W4KBX On Nov 5, 2023, at 10:11 PM, Rich wrote: It is quite simple just long press the A>B button and you will be in SPLIT mode. Tell us what you are doing that is not working Rich PS - I believe Crossband Split is not possible w/o a SUBRX, but not within the same band. On 11/5/2023 21:59 PM, marvwhee...@nwlink.com wrote: Richard: It is not necessary to have the 2nd rcvr to work split. I have used my for 3 yrs without a 2nd rcvr and work split frequently.] Marv KG7V -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 6:12 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation I am having trouble understanding both the manual and N6FN’s Mini-manual when it comes to Split operation. I follow the “directions” over and over but nothing happens. Does the fact that my K3S does not have a sub receiver mean that I can’t work split? If I’m wrong about that I would really appreciate a step-by-step How-To lesson in working split. Thanks. Cheers, Richard Kunc W4KBX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to marvwhee...@nwlink.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rwnewbo...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to flat...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rwnewbo...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
OK, good idea. 1. I tune the DX station normally. 2. I tap A>B to copy A frequency to B. 3. I press and hold SPLIT to separate RX and TX. 4. While holding REV I tune about “five up” or wherever the DX is listening. 5. I release REV and I see the DX’s frequency again. QUESTION: When I transmit there’s no visual indication on which frequency I’m transmitting. Should there be? Cheers. Richard W4KBX > On Nov 5, 2023, at 10:11 PM, Rich wrote: > > It is quite simple just long press the A>B button and you will be in SPLIT > mode. > > Tell us what you are doing that is not working > > Rich > > PS - I believe Crossband Split is not possible w/o a SUBRX, but not within > the same band. > > On 11/5/2023 21:59 PM, marvwhee...@nwlink.com wrote: >> Richard: >> >> It is not necessary to have the 2nd rcvr to work split. I have used my for 3 >> yrs without a 2nd rcvr and work split frequently.] >> >> Marv >> KG7V >> >> -Original Message- >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On >> Behalf Of Richard >> Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 6:12 PM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation >> >> I am having trouble understanding both the manual and N6FN’s Mini-manual >> when it comes to Split operation. I follow the “directions” over and over >> but nothing happens. >> >> Does the fact that my K3S does not have a sub receiver mean that I can’t >> work split? >> >> If I’m wrong about that I would really appreciate a step-by-step How-To >> lesson in working split. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Cheers, >> Richard Kunc >> W4KBX >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >> delivered to marvwhee...@nwlink.com >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rwnewbo...@comcast.net > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to flat...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
You can operate SPLIT, you just can't listen to two frequencies at the same time. Just hold the SPLIT key. Then set VFO A to your receive frequency and VFO B to the transmit frequency. You can temporarily switch the VFOs by holding the REV key. When you let go, it switches back. So when you are working a DX pileup, you tune in the DX station normally. Then tap A->B to put both VFOs on the same frequency. Then you hold SPLIT to separate RX and TX. Then hold REV and tune until you hear the guy the DX is working. Release REV and you will hear the DX again, and your transmit frequency will be where you want to call. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 06/11/2023 4:27, W3FPR wrote: Richard, The K3 (and K3S) does not have capability to operate SPLIT without the subRX. The Kx3 and KX2 does have dual Receive, but only over limited range (12 KHz If I recall correctly) 73,Don W3FPR On 11/5/2023 9:12 PM, Richard wrote: I am having trouble understanding both the manual and N6FN’s Mini-manual when it comes to Split operation. I follow the “directions” over and over but nothing happens. Does the fact that my K3S does not have a sub receiver mean that I can’t work split? If I’m wrong about that I would really appreciate a step-by-step How-To lesson in working split. Thanks. Cheers, Richard Kunc W4KBX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2vco@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
It is quite simple just long press the A>B button and you will be in SPLIT mode. Tell us what you are doing that is not working Rich PS - I believe Crossband Split is not possible w/o a SUBRX, but not within the same band. On 11/5/2023 21:59 PM, marvwhee...@nwlink.com wrote: Richard: It is not necessary to have the 2nd rcvr to work split. I have used my for 3 yrs without a 2nd rcvr and work split frequently.] Marv KG7V -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 6:12 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation I am having trouble understanding both the manual and N6FN’s Mini-manual when it comes to Split operation. I follow the “directions” over and over but nothing happens. Does the fact that my K3S does not have a sub receiver mean that I can’t work split? If I’m wrong about that I would really appreciate a step-by-step How-To lesson in working split. Thanks. Cheers, Richard Kunc W4KBX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to marvwhee...@nwlink.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rwnewbo...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
Can’t Work Split without dual receive?! WRONG! I guess I must be an old timer now, but I know that there are many others who have done it the same way as I did …. all that is required to operate SPLIT is the capability to transmit and receive on separate frequencies … that’s what SPLIT operation is … and that can be done using any of the following : (1) separate transmitter and receiver, (2) a transceiver with an outboard remote VFO (or even a wide RIT, XIT), (3) a transceiver with dual VFOs ( like a K3 or K3S WITHOUT subreceiver), or (4) any modern high end transceiver with dual receivers. Most old timers like me made it onto the DXCC Honor Roll back in the day using options (1) or (2). It takes a little more skill and good luck but it can be done …. In my case, most of my DXCC counters were worked SPLIT frequency using an old Kenwood TS-520S with a remote VFO ….I could have randomly chosen a transmit frequency, parked on it and repeatedly called blindly hoping the DX would eventually find me …… but I rarely did that …. Instead, I did lots of quick switching between transmit and receive frequencies and was often lucky enough to find where the DX was listening …. Did it successfully over and over and over …. With just ONE receiver.Ya, I use dual receivers and panadapter now and it is much easier and faster …. but could still do it with my old TS520S if I had to …. Don, N5LZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W3FPR Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2023 7:27 PM To: Richard; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation Richard, The K3 (and K3S) does not have capability to operate SPLIT without the subRX. The Kx3 and KX2 does have dual Receive, but only over limited range (12 KHz If I recall correctly) 73,Don W3FPR On 11/5/2023 9:12 PM, Richard wrote: > I am having trouble understanding both the manual and N6FN’s Mini-manual when > it comes to Split operation. I follow the “directions” over and over but > nothing happens. > > Does the fact that my K3S does not have a sub receiver mean that I can’t work > split? > > If I’m wrong about that I would really appreciate a step-by-step How-To > lesson in working split. > > Thanks. > > Cheers, > Richard Kunc > W4KBX > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
Richard: It is not necessary to have the 2nd rcvr to work split. I have used my for 3 yrs without a 2nd rcvr and work split frequently.] Marv KG7V -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 6:12 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation I am having trouble understanding both the manual and N6FN’s Mini-manual when it comes to Split operation. I follow the “directions” over and over but nothing happens. Does the fact that my K3S does not have a sub receiver mean that I can’t work split? If I’m wrong about that I would really appreciate a step-by-step How-To lesson in working split. Thanks. Cheers, Richard Kunc W4KBX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to marvwhee...@nwlink.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
Richard, The K3 (and K3S) does not have capability to operate SPLIT without the subRX. The Kx3 and KX2 does have dual Receive, but only over limited range (12 KHz If I recall correctly) 73,Don W3FPR On 11/5/2023 9:12 PM, Richard wrote: I am having trouble understanding both the manual and N6FN’s Mini-manual when it comes to Split operation. I follow the “directions” over and over but nothing happens. Does the fact that my K3S does not have a sub receiver mean that I can’t work split? If I’m wrong about that I would really appreciate a step-by-step How-To lesson in working split. Thanks. Cheers, Richard Kunc W4KBX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3S Split Operation
I am having trouble understanding both the manual and N6FN’s Mini-manual when it comes to Split operation. I follow the “directions” over and over but nothing happens. Does the fact that my K3S does not have a sub receiver mean that I can’t work split? If I’m wrong about that I would really appreciate a step-by-step How-To lesson in working split. Thanks. Cheers, Richard Kunc W4KBX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
